Starcraft II Beta - Page 64

On May 07 2010 16:50 anon wrote: thats what zerg is all about, being a responder. Playing too agressive is always risky, because one wrong attack and your are done. I kind of like the patch it makes mech stronger

Mech was pretty strong pre-patch too in TvZ, their buffs + infestor nerf together made it seriously harder for zerg to deal with the mech. Also, hellions are easier to micro now and they pwn the living shit out of everything but roaches. On the bright side, mass infestor still seems like a semi-viable strat, altho the nerf makes it considerably harder to execute early game (and less efficient mid and late due to energy running out).

I still hear some protosses bitching about roaches tho - is that because they're the only unit being able to TOUCH the protoss army late game? Without some kind of core mass, zerg would just be a pile of blood and flesh on the ground burning up. Time to get the head of the ass and try playing zerg to see how strong protoss shit is. Good unit compositions, sentry micro and timing is really friggin' hard for zerg to deal with in occasions. Maybe the only thing protoss loses to is roaches, but without that, who'd be imba? Hint: Protoss wouldn't lose unless there was something to do against it.

i dont know, i need to see some recent top replays to figure out what to do now. as a gold player i struggle with droning the exact amount before switching to army, and as a starcraft 2 player i feel there could be 1000 openings that are possible that i dont know about yet. zerg just dont seem to have any offensive play other than speed lings and nydus canal. im fine with having to respond to other races (actually i sick of it as a toss player). zerg used to be the race of map control and strategic advantage (which actually counts for something in a strategy game, hello????) but i feel like we turtle more than any other race with our default fast expand (dont know why we fast expand though, its not like we ever benefit from it)

On May 07 2010 15:54 Perisie wrote: for zerg (and terran sometimes) you can be a saturated base ahead of your opponent but attacking at the wrong time or wrong position will auto-lose you the game. the majority of my games are lost from stupid attacks against collossos when i'm WILDLY ahead. this is 100% my fault and is comparable to tvp in sc1 except you actually insta lose when you attack rather than being able to withdraw with your goons and replenish frantically

to be honest i think a 50% speed decrease in terran/protos units would help here. maybe forcefield should be moved to zerg (ensnare) just so when you lose a battle as zerg you dont automagically lose the entire game

Btw Perisie I play random on sc2, so your point is kind of null

I'm having such a hard time with PvP
seems like whatever I do I get rolled over.
I try 2 robo imo build and get rolled by mass zlot+stalker
I try 2 robo imo build and get rolled by void ray rush
I try mass zlot+stalker and get rolled by 2 robo build
I've always been awful at mirror matches but fuck this is killing me. I'm like 4-0 vs Zerg and 5-1 vs Terran but for whatever reason I'm like 2-5 vs Protoss
I don't feel like the players I played were all that great either, just that I'm that bad in PvP

What're the standard builds in PvP? I've just been going 2 robo imo in about 80% of Pvp's

definitely not 2 robo immortals lol

try to experiment a bit with zealot sentry builds, stalker blink builds (works vs zeal sentry), robo into colossi those are basic builds once you get a better feel for the matchup I'd start using immortals more

Anyone looking for a 2v2 platinum level partner, let me know. My current one doesn't seem too interested in sc2 anymore.

Hi guys,

Scored a beta key off a mate last weekend so been playing lots this week, just about getting the hang of it!

Does anyone want to play some games; 1v1 or 2v2? If so whats your IDs? I'm using; ccmoz.ccmoz

On May 07 2010 20:51 Svenman87 wrote: I'm having such a hard time with PvP seems like whatever I do I get rolled over. I try 2 robo imo build and get rolled by mass zlot+stalker I try 2 robo imo build and get rolled by void ray rush I try mass zlot+stalker and get rolled by 2 robo build I've always been awful at mirror matches but fuck this is killing me. I'm like 4-0 vs Zerg and 5-1 vs Terran but for whatever reason I'm like 2-5 vs Protoss I don't feel like the players I played were all that great either, just that I'm that bad in PvP What're the standard builds in PvP? I've just been going 2 robo imo in about 80% of Pvp's

Most people go something like 4 gate stalker + blink, or 3 gate robotics zeal/sentry/colossus. I like going zeal/sentry/pheonix, but it's really weak vs stalker builds, but SO FUN TO MICRO.

im perisie.perisie on usa , ill play 1v1 if you're not zerg (im zerg) or 2v2 just to fuck around

i saw a new pheonix on goatrope show, it passed by 3 overlords in succession, firing off 1 shot at each whilst speeding past them, it was the funniest thing ive ever seen and laughed for a minute

i got sc2 and just cant get myself to play anymore. age finally catching up to me. i hope this doesnt happen with d3 as well.

this game is awesome :D

On May 07 2010 20:51 Svenman87 wrote: I'm having such a hard time with PvP seems like whatever I do I get rolled over. I try 2 robo imo build and get rolled by mass zlot+stalker I try 2 robo imo build and get rolled by void ray rush I try mass zlot+stalker and get rolled by 2 robo build I've always been awful at mirror matches but fuck this is killing me. I'm like 4-0 vs Zerg and 5-1 vs Terran but for whatever reason I'm like 2-5 vs Protoss I don't feel like the players I played were all that great either, just that I'm that bad in PvP What're the standard builds in PvP? I've just been going 2 robo imo in about 80% of Pvp's

I dont think this is like BW where you can simply skip zealots and get goons. You need zealots and you need a lot of them early.Zealots are very good. Follow up with sentries and stalkers. Later get some collosus but some immortals early to continue the press. Always press action. If you get tech and lose choke you are going to lose most of the time.

I've been playing a lot of P lately. I've lost a single pvp in 2 weeks. Most of my wins come from overwhelming zealot numbers and superior zealot v zealot micro early. Most players don't understand how powerful the zealot is in PvP yet I think. I've lost more than half of my PvZ though :D

My favorite thing in PvP is when they wall their choke to create a 1 zealot entry. I set up a 3 v 1 outside their wall and let 1 zealot detroy wahtever building is used to wall. I've won many games that way. Its also pretty lulzy.

2 robo build? Sounds awfully bad. Dunno tho, I'm no PvP expert.

On May 10 2010 20:43 Muhweli wrote: 2 robo build? Sounds awfully bad. Dunno tho, I'm no PvP expert.

It's awful indeed

On May 10 2010 08:06 whamm! wrote: i got sc2 and just cant get myself to play anymore. age finally catching up to me. i hope this doesnt happen with d3 as well.

au contraire, mindless games become easier to get addicted to.

On May 06 2010 08:36 Perisie wrote: well with a greater understanding of the game you might tend to like it more

maybe, but felt i understood it fine, 1st spot plat, almost 2k, 70% win or something, so was beating the bad good ppl atleast. And I have played 50.000 games of sc1, so the understanding was fine compared to the general population.

Maybe I got too old, and I do feel a lot of similarities in my thought process as Fayth and anon, although I wasn't as good as they were in sc1, but was sick good nonetheless for 3-4 years

On May 06 2010 15:34 CamilaPunt wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 05:09 Mariuslol wrote: Just feel that sc is a million times better, feel I gave it a shot, played like 100 games in 3-4 days, and read lots of stuff on tl, thought about it, let it sink in, just, nothing, get the feeling u get after u watched porn n had a wank, kinda "meh" zzz, and it's annoying, wanted to love it, but can't force it lol. Hrmpfh!! your not 12 anymore.. thats where that feeling comes from the game is amazing though.. very fun

Nja, im still Child like in a lot of area's, I love training, I love manga, I feel like a kid on x-mas eve when the new manga's release on thursday, I love poker, just feel the game is a bit boring lol

hmm, now I feel a bit negative, I do see why the game "is amazing" and all the stuff you can do with it, and the engine. And I respect that people love it, obviously a sick game.
Just not for me

<3

There, now I'm not that negative xD

On May 07 2010 17:50 Perisie wrote: i dont know, i need to see some recent top replays to figure out what to do now. as a gold player i struggle with droning the exact amount before switching to army, and as a starcraft 2 player i feel there could be 1000 openings that are possible that i dont know about yet. zerg just dont seem to have any offensive play other than speed lings and nydus canal. im fine with having to respond to other races (actually i sick of it as a toss player). zerg used to be the race of map control and strategic advantage (which actually counts for something in a strategy game, hello????) but i feel like we turtle more than any other race with our default fast expand (dont know why we fast expand though, its not like we ever benefit from it)

Mutalisks are pretty offensive. Obviously they're not some super early offensive, banepush is also okay as are some early roach pushes out of one base, but it's the nature of the beast i suppose. There's certainly more than one way to be aggressive early on.