Starcraft II Beta - Page 53

On March 22 2010 06:21 Loco wrote: except standard play like going fast immortal or templar is what the zergs are used to play against the most and they have adjusted very well against that i think you underestimate how hard pvz is at the moment. doing the most standard builds won't win you any games at the highest level.

no im saying ur strat has something to it, i just think spending time/resources on something other then hallucinations might show better results.
like a warp prism for a storm drop:D
thatd put all the dots on the i's.
is it even feasible to do that? itd be sexy:D

it might work v zerg once, he can always make detector and see your fake units ....

then don't do the exact same thing twice in a row? use hallucination later on when you have high templars too so you can feedback any detector if needed

also the ideal way to scout by far is using hallucinated pheonixes so it's always worth it to have upgraded it early on... it's only 100-100. i'd rather have hallucination on my 10 sentries than have 11 sentries and a probe for the same price. even if the person is 100% prepared against it i think it's entirely worth the upgrade, and believe me people are just not playing optimally vs it right now since it's so uncommon

On March 22 2010 06:32 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2010 06:21 Loco wrote: except standard play like going fast immortal or templar is what the zergs are used to play against the most and they have adjusted very well against that i think you underestimate how hard pvz is at the moment. doing the most standard builds won't win you any games at the highest level. no im saying ur strat has something to it, i just think spending time/resources on something other then hallucinations might show better results. like a warp prism for a storm drop:D thatd put all the dots on the i's. is it even feasible to do that? itd be sexy:D

except that's a huge gamble. you are praying he doesn't have an overlord where you will pass by and you are praying that he didn't go for a muta build. we know that a sentry build >>> robo build vs mutas. you are also praying that he doesn't remove his drones before the storm hits. if you are going for a warp prism drop templar you don't have an army worth attacking with as a distraction.

on the other hand, it's something that can be implemented in late game play instead. once you have the templar energy upgrade, you can bring a warp prism and just warp templars and be ready to storm. in fact, i'd love to see this combined with a fake hallucination attack for distraction :D

As a Z myself the hallucinations definitely seem like they could be annoying as fuck to play against and do seem worth it if theyre only 100-100. ^^

Also making an overseer to see the hallucinations will probably not be the first thing on the Z's mind when he sees a standardish looking warpgate push. You generally have to be kinda drone-light to defend warpgate stuff and that means likely no nat-gases and you need the rest of the gas for roach. Even if you know the Ps gonna be using some hallucinated stuff it still may be bad to spend that much gas early on an overseer.

you guys are nitpicky assholes lol

locos build is >>>>>>> anything i have come up with, and >>> anything ive seen. really good opening imo and allows for lots of variations.

good vs fast pool - get cannon, start force fielding

good vs fast expo - sometimes get expo with cannon, if you dont you get a fast upgrade and youre in just as good shape vs other builds

good vs muta - sentry do damage vs them, you have lots of units to attack, good upgrades and working towards storm

vs roaches its obviously weaker than immortals are but you can tech to immortal if you choose and you can hold ramps with forcefield indefinitely. also you can just make immortal hallucinations forcing your opponent to make other units possibly. i dunno i just like the idea a lot and im definitely going to use the build

I agree,Loco's build is creative and great and even if it takes time to get used to it and requires some good micro management it's definitely a solid way to play pvz...
btw,hallucination is absurdly cool
haters gonna hate anyways ^^
-lebowski

theres still the problem of nothing being great vs mass muta late game in pvz, but i still think using hallucinations is good cause its just more damage that your phoenix or sentry or temp can take while fighting them

If anyone is looking for a practice partner PM me, plat league Z

i have to fix my timing on the photons vs fast expo cause mine seem to come a couple seconds late, but havent had too many opportunities to use the build today. most of the games people didnt expo and fast roached so i wasjust like eh fuck it ill go immortal, but i felt much more comfortable today in pvz with the option of opening mass sentry/zeal with hallucination

Quoting post from TL:

I've uploaded few of my recent games to the ftp server, I play T and I'm currently ~9 Platinum. Feedback would be welcome, I'm bit rusty and my apm and macro sucks balls. Right now I'm playing around with Fast Expo + Ghost in TvP and CowGoMoo like Hellion opening in TvZ. Also, I use slightly different Orbital Command opening and I don't wall by default.

If you want to talk about the game or play few practice games, please add me, I'm gibki.gibki on EU server. I would also like to try out Z but I feel bit lost atm.

BRAG! to first place in 4 days Q_Qa
btw i play random and in some mus i am just terrible

rungood imo!

wat?

how the fuck can you be #1 with a win % like that? No offense intended whatsoever btw it just seems... ridiculously crazy compared to most divisions.

those high number divisions are bs imo

well i usually get 20-25 pts for wins, so not sure about the system. Though yesterday i won few games vs favored players and got 42/36/32 pts

yea i notice in all new divisions they accumulate points like mad. anon told me he got 46 pts for killing fuzer which is insane. it seems theyre trying to make new divisions catch up to old divisions points wise.
i hope blizz are looking for a graceful way out of this fail.

I got promoted from gold to platinum and got fresh 500 bonus points, so did everyone else AND people that got key from friend invites. Which means that they get twice as much points for winning until they clear the bonus, most I got was 48, 12 for winning, 12 for being a huge underdog, and double it up from bonus pool.

ah so its like RAF in wow then?

sooo long in coming

hallucinations seem to be clearly cost effective ai screwing meat shields as loco says