Therocial quizz question

Lets suppose you are invited to a tv show

the show offers you 50000$!!!!!

however, a second contestant is also invited to the show. it could be anyone, you don't know who it is. Just a random american male or female. You don't see him, and he don't see you either. You cannot talk to him.

You have to decide how much of the prize you offer to him.

Then the second contestant will get the following offer: "Your opponement has offered you X$ out of the 50000$, and he will keep the rest. do you accept the offer? if you refuse, everything will go to charity and you will both get nothing"

If your opponement refuse, all of the money will go to charity and you will both get NOTHING.

If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice.
But if you offer him too much, you might miss out on serious EV.

Of course if your lucky, you might get a contestant who will accept any ammount of money because he is poor.

So the question is:
What is the optimal ammount of money to offer to the other person?

Note: do not answer what you would do, only answer the OPTIMAL, a ammount a selfish person should be offering, someone who doesnt care about charity or the other contestant.

$8000

or you might get someone rich who has no time for these games and will accept any deal you offer

what if there were 3 girls, each one more and more beautiful than the first.

you get to marry one girl, but if she decides she doesn't like you, you are destined to be alone for the rest of your life, which girl do you pick????

what do you do floofy?

floofy seriously go fuck yourself

On January 26 2010 22:16 CrownRoyal wrote: what if there were 3 girls, each one more and more beautiful than the first. you get to marry one girl, but if she decides she doesn't like you, you are destined to be alone for the rest of your life. what do you do floofy?

i take the most rich one, divorce, and go back with my actual gf ^^

girls dont have money retard

LOL

ps i love therocial conversation

she wouldn't have a cent without her dad

i never said they get money out of nowhere. they get it from dudes obv
if they doesnt have money they can get in debts for u tho

Bring back the Jason Ho thread...please ?!

On January 26 2010 22:33 EvilSky wrote: Bring back the Jason Ho thread...please ?!

... WHAT IF THE OTHER CONTESTANT WAS JASON HO!?

New topic - what would you offer Jason Ho?

we did this question in a economics class. Ideally, you should offer anything >0 and the other person should take it since anything >0 is, well greater than 0. But clearly, people will spite refuse if the amount is so low. I don't know, I will think about it and respond later.

i offer jason ho all 50k in a 33% profit sharing deal

What the he'll does he care, 5k is 5k. No one is so herioc when they are poor to throw away 5k so a charity has 50k.

I KNEW FLOOFY MADE THIS JUST BY LOOKING AT THE TITLE

1 of 3 words spelled correctly in title

must be a Floofy thread

lol lp.net, A+ as always.

floofy you're too therocial for us. THEROCIOUSSSS

what did floofy do to deserve so much of this

there was some study about this - it ends up being around 70/30

New idea: you are offering him money and you know if he doesn't accept it will go to charity. What you do NOT know is that the share you keep for yoruself (say 70%) your dick will magically shrink (the same %) that night and never return to normal. Kind of like George's shrinkage theory from the Seinfeld, only permanent. Would you still offer the same amount you selfish son of a bitch.

wtf goes on in ur head.

On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: it could be anyone, you don't know who it is. Just a random american male or female. You don't see him, and he don't see you either. You cannot talk to him.

3 flaws
3 strikes
/thread

On January 27 2010 01:04 PoorUser wrote: there was some study about this - it ends up being around 70/30

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The rational move in any single game is for the second person to take whatever is offered. (It's more than he came in with.) But in fact, most people reject offers of less than 30 percent of the total, punishing offers they perceive as unfair. Why?

The academic debate boils down to two competing explanations. On one hand, players might be strategically suppressing their self-interest, turning down cash now in the hope that if there are future games, the "proposer" will make better offers. On the other hand, players might simply be lashing out in anger....

[The researchers] took a "data truck" to a strip of bars on the South Side of Pittsburgh (where participants were "often at a level of intoxication that is greater than is ethical to induce" and also did controlled testing, in labs, of people randomly selected to get drunk.

The scholars were interested in drunkenness because intoxication, as other social-science experiments have shown, doesn't fuzz up judgment so much as cause the drinker to overly focus on the most prominent cue in his environment. If the long-term-strategy hypothesis were true, drunken players would be more inclined to accept any amount of cash. (Money on the table generates more-visceral responses than long-term goals do.) If the anger/revenge theory were true, however, drunken players would become less likely to accept low offers: raw anger would trump money-lust.

In both setups, drunken players were less likely than their sober peers to accept offers of less than 50 percent of the total. The finding suggests, the authors said, that the principal impulse driving subjects was a wish for revenge.

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/magazine/ideas/2009/#d

i was gonna correct the spelling in the title but then i saw it was a floofy thread and realized that "therocial" has added value

nice work floofy keep it up

i'm a nice drunk i'd accept $25

what about this:

The money will be split between yourself and Floofy.

If you reject Floofys offer, he gets banned.
If you accept it, he makes daily threads about near-impossible challenges he has thought up, including but not limited to - Chess vs Him/Deep Blue, MSN Starcraft, Guitar Hero, 25c Starcraft games etc.

id say 10K is a 99% lock.

So optimal would b like i duno 6 - 7.5K but i would always ship 10K.

would be a pretty cool show to watch tho lol.. i bet NBC would do it, they love losing money.

On January 26 2010 23:17 exalted wrote: I KNEW FLOOFY MADE THIS JUST BY LOOKING AT THE TITLE

me too. About 1k posts ago I might have thought this was a Meal thread, but now I can tell the difference without opening it.

On January 27 2010 01:04 PoorUser wrote: there was some study about this - it ends up being around 70/30

it's gotta depend on the total amount. I mean, if they're haggling over $100, a lot of people would refuse even a really good offer just to be mean, or because they want to give it to charity. But if they're splitting 1 billion dollars, you could offer the other guy just 1% and he'd probably accept, because that's still a cool million dollars.

Out of 50k, I'd probably offer 10%. I think very few people would turn down 5k just to prove a point.

I love floofy threads
they are pretty much the only threads my non poker friends find funny

On January 27 2010 01:55 Silver)Z( wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2010 01:04 PoorUser wrote: there was some study about this - it ends up being around 70/30 . http://www.nytimes.com/projects/magazine/ideas/2009/#d

This is sick, thanks for the link. Dan Ariely does all kinds of ridiculous research like this, results are all pretty fascinating.

On January 27 2010 02:14 milkman wrote: id say 10K is a 99% lock. So optimal would b like i duno 6 - 7.5K but i would always ship 10K. would be a pretty cool show to watch tho lol.. i bet NBC would do it, they love losing money.

thats what i thought too. i'd ship 10k. doubt that most ppl would decline that offer.

please start blogging about your life.

On January 27 2010 01:04 PoorUser wrote: there was some study about this - it ends up being around 70/30

I think the percentages change greatly depending on the starting amount.

I mean for $100 I can see maybe a majority rejecting $30-40 and saying it all goes to charity.

But if it was $1,000,000 I can see nearly everyone accepting $50,000.

Therocially speaking (lol), since its a random person, my pick would be to know the average yearly income of the population of the country where the tv show takes place and choose the optimal amount i.e. a sum w/ enough importance compared to said income but at my advantage. Lets say the avg income is 30k, then id probably offer something around 15k out of 50, if the avg income is 100k (which is impossible nowadays) id offer 25k...

On January 27 2010 06:41 iop wrote: please start blogging about your life.

12-14k
id prefer to donate it to a charity i choose tho

as long as the value you offer him is greater than 0, then he/she should accept.

However, adding a weighted value based on person; e.g. person is filthy rich, reborn christian, Haitian.. etc.
Then they might be weighted to donate to charity, unless it their portion was > 50% because they might feel you are being generous and then they can donate the money - the majority of it - to a charity of their choosing.

Kind of a cool concept for the 2nd half could be... but really impossible to judge.
so anything > 0

On January 27 2010 02:42 Sicks Macks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 23:17 exalted wrote: I KNEW FLOOFY MADE THIS JUST BY LOOKING AT THE TITLE me too. About 1k posts ago I might have thought this was a Meal thread, but now I can tell the difference without opening it.

Meal's would be all caps, title and content

I'd probably offer like 20% or so if it's about that kind of money. I don't think many people will spite refuse 10k anyway and if they do I only lose´maybe 30kish (50k - "whatever they would've accepted" which is obviously a lot, but if it gives 50k to charity (a decent one) I'll just stop giving to charities and I'll probably "won" it back in 20 years or so, Less if I otherwise would've given a lot of money to something someday.

If I were at a strip club I'd offer 1k but I'd put the 1k in singles in his hand before he made his choice.

I think a better question for this community is what amount do you all turn down?

I think the charity plays a decent role in deciding for some people. Knowing the 50k goes to charity then turns it into a question of how much money of the 50k is it worth it to you to job the charity of the total 50k? If offered 5k, basically you're posed with the question of would you really NOT donate 5k to charity if they will match your donation 9x.

therocious!

i think i would offer 8K
that ammount is too high for majority of people to spit refuse

if you offer something like 4K i could imagine some fat chick jumping around asking the crowd what to do, and the crowd going "CHARITY CHARITY CHARITY" and doing it just cuz shes on TV

On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: Lets suppose you are invited to a tv show the show offers you 50000$!!!!! however, a second contestant is also invited to the show. it could be anyone, you don't know who it is. Just a random american male or female. You don't see him, and he don't see you either. You cannot talk to him. You have to decide how much of the prize you offer to him. Then the second contestant will get the following offer: "Your opponement has offered you X$ out of the 50000$, and he will keep the rest. do you accept the offer? if you refuse, everything will go to charity and you will both get nothing" If your opponement refuse, all of the money will go to charity and you will both get NOTHING. If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice. But if you offer him too much, you might miss out on serious EV. Of course if your lucky, you might get a contestant who will accept any ammount of money because he is poor. So the question is: What is the optimal ammount of money to offer to the other person? Note: do not answer what you would do, only answer the OPTIMAL, a ammount a selfish person should be offering, someone who doesnt care about charity or the other contestant.

misleading. Ur a fucking donk if ur presenting it in this way. This is a well known study and people's level of poverty doesn't change their answer was one of the surprises. Don't gear this shit in this direction with ur wording. + i'm sure 80%+ of the people on the site are familiar with this study

in the original study its not surprising the level of poverty doesnt matter since the ammount is 50$ and there is no charity involved
i doubt it would be the same result if it was 50K instead of 50$
when you have kids to feed, 10K$ is more important to you than revenge against an unknown....

wait... i don't follow this forum much, but how in the hell floofy didn't die out of virginness

last time i read the floofy thread all websites refused to sell him a flesh light

this seems preety ridicilous, its a 100% freeroll, if you walk out of there with $500 its free money, why on earth would you refuse it

on that note, i'd offer then 15k
aint no one gonna refuse 15k freeroll

eh on 2nd thought money is different in the real world then the poker world.

I dont see why anyone would refuse 5k, but the problem with offering 5k is that some random asshole might refuse, people are stupid - i think i stick with my 15k, its a ridicilous amount of money to refuse

You are playing it super safe Tom.
if I got offered 100$ I'd think this guy is fcking awesome and take the 100$.
I might even accept 0$ if I got offered 0$.
But I get offered 500$ fuck you, 500$ I wipe my ass with fucking just give 50k to charity, that's a lifetime of charity or 500$. If I was making 30k a year or 100$ a day, probably accept 500$.

If u offered me 15k Tom and there was a charity where I cud go around with 50k and give bottles of liqour to the homeless, 50k-gas.
fuck ur 15k. I'm donating to that charity.
its really good for the soul to spread that much happiness.

People give hundreds of billions of dollars to charity every year.

HUNDREDS of BILLIONS

You better be sure the person you're offering really needs the money and can turn down a ten fold increase on a donation to charity and look like a saint on t.v.

Wow the responses abusing the OP are kind of hilarious.

$10,000 seems like a good, safe amount.

We did something like this in a high school class of mine as a little experiment. Except the total was just $100. People were offering $1 and reasoning "Well you still come out ahead." And I was like "yea but fucking you over for being an asshole is worth much more than that." Just didn't phrase it quite that way. Also, the money didn't go to charity or anything in our scenario so there wasn't that factor.

I think I'd need a minimum of $20 out of the $100 to accept.

If I had a read the other contestant was a poker player I'd over $1. But since it's a random male or female, I'd offer either $10,000, or $25,000.

I think the charity or no money makes a difference as well. If noone gets the money it's a waste declining. When offered 1k I'd prefer 50k to go to a charity. Spite doesn't seem like too much of a good reason when you don't know the other guy.

What if you were the one offered the money and the guy offering you it is someone you despise, just some douchebag you really hate. How much money would it take for you to accepte the offer? ;D

On February 01 2010 20:17 TalentedTom wrote: eh on 2nd thought money is different in the real world then the poker world. I dont see why anyone would refuse 5k, but the problem with offering 5k is that some random asshole might refuse, people are stupid - i think i stick with my 15k, its a ridicilous amount of money to refuse

If you were in the other side, would you refuse 5k?

On January 27 2010 07:58 Spitfiree wrote: 12-14k id prefer to donate it to a charity i choose tho

Plz.

probably something like 10k, substantial enough for most people I would estimate.

just because i am a poker player doesn't mean i would accept an offer less than 1k

On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice.

lol what? hes gona look like an idiot, not a hero

On February 02 2010 08:40 brambolius wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2010 07:58 Spitfiree wrote: 12-14k id prefer to donate it to a charity i choose tho Plz.

na seriously i would feel morally screwed if i take the money
prefer to have clean concious rather than have 15k more


btw rofl the fatness consumed this guy's brain

On February 02 2010 05:27 tiagoxdd wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2010 20:17 TalentedTom wrote: eh on 2nd thought money is different in the real world then the poker world. I dont see why anyone would refuse 5k, but the problem with offering 5k is that some random asshole might refuse, people are stupid - i think i stick with my 15k, its a ridicilous amount of money to refuse If you were in the other side, would you refuse 5k?

The issue is that if you refuse the 5k, that means that your 5k plus another 45k go to charity. If you're down with taking 50k out of a charity's pocket so you can keep 5k for yourself that's fine, but isn't this the situation we are facing here?

theoretical*

On February 02 2010 11:46 Cray0ns wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2010 05:27 tiagoxdd wrote:   On February 01 2010 20:17 TalentedTom wrote: eh on 2nd thought money is different in the real world then the poker world. I dont see why anyone would refuse 5k, but the problem with offering 5k is that some random asshole might refuse, people are stupid - i think i stick with my 15k, its a ridicilous amount of money to refuse If you were in the other side, would you refuse 5k? The issue is that if you refuse the 5k, that means that your 5k plus another 45k go to charity. If you're down with taking 50k out of a charity's pocket so you can keep 5k for yourself that's fine, but isn't this the situation we are facing here?

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excactly - this is the critical point imo...

I mean - can person b choose the charity in question? or is it a random charity? Do the contestants know what charity it is?

I'd prolly offer something between 10-20k with no info on the other guy and the charity.

On February 02 2010 10:24 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2010 08:40 brambolius wrote:   On January 27 2010 07:58 Spitfiree wrote: 12-14k id prefer to donate it to a charity i choose tho Plz. na seriously i would feel morally screwed if i take the money prefer to have clean concious rather than have 15k more

I would reply but wouldn't know where to begin

On February 02 2010 10:17 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice. lol what? hes gona look like an idiot, not a hero

for the love of god, this just life tilts me.

On February 02 2010 10:17 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice. lol what? hes gona look like an idiot, not a hero

rofl what a degen,

On February 02 2010 10:17 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice. lol what? hes gona look like an idiot, not a hero

No, a hero would say fuck you and give the 50k to charity. By taking the money you're announcing that you're his bitch and are grateful for anything he chooses to give you.

On February 02 2010 15:56 Stroggos wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2010 10:17 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice. lol what? hes gona look like an idiot, not a hero rofl what a degen,

oh there you are isuldur1

i'd give 10k

and i'd probably take 5k, i don't really believe in charities because i think if everyone would just help the few people around themselves everything would be okay

floofy for Prime minster Lol. floofy threads brings out the best of LP. i think 5k is good amount. 5k is alot of money to alot of people.

The question should be your yearly income instead of 50k.
Or your life income, see how much of an angel you all are when you get offered a year of work or your entire life wages to a charity.

Charities get alot of money that they dont tell people about

On February 02 2010 16:57 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2010 10:17 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On January 26 2010 22:09 Floofy wrote: If you offer him too little, he might just go "fuck off asshole, this is going to charity, i don't care about the little ammount of money you offered me". Keep in mind the contestant knows hes on TV, and by refusing, he will look like an hero on Tv which is nice. lol what? hes gona look like an idiot, not a hero No, a hero would say fuck you and give the 50k to charity. By taking the money you're announcing that you're his bitch and are grateful for anything he chooses to give you.

what?
no
if you refuse a decent amounth ur an idiot
if u want to give money to charity you dont have to go to a stupid tv show ...
if he offer you 5k and you refuse...you are an idiot

i rather have 5k for myself than giving 50k for charity

that's your perspective. I could just as easily say if you refuse $1 you're an idiot and I'd rather have $1 for myself than 50k for charity. Denying 50k to a charity so you can keep 5k has little to do with intelligence so the use of the word idiot is hardly relevant.

On February 03 2010 18:58 blackjacki2 wrote: that's your perspective. I could just as easily say if you refuse $1 you're an idiot and I'd rather have $1 for myself than 50k for charity. Denying 50k to a charity so you can keep 5k has little to do with intelligence so the use of the word idiot is hardly relevant.

the 50k is going to charity whether you accept the 1$ or not.
The other guy who on average makes 35k a year.
Getting by giving, that's trading.
Getting without giving, that's charity.
The game show contestants are already charities.
So refusing charity yourself so another charity gets it, well that's charitable.