NL100 Weird line, what's his range?

Old hand I played like two weeks ago.

Villain is 14/10 over 300 hands, seems to be a decent winner at these stakes.

Submitted by : edzwoo

PokerStars Game #26920039032: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/04/09 22:12:42 CT [2009/04/09 23:12:42 ET]
Table Roswitha 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: BrocheN ($103 in chips)
Seat 3: KentuckyRuLz ($100.40 in chips)
Seat 4: takesix ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: edzwoo ($121.05 in chips)
Seat 6: supreme20 ($114.45 in chips)
Seat 7: CubFan2323 ($60 in chips)
Seat 8: tlatoani ($113.50 in chips)
Seat 9: msparhaw ($119.60 in chips)
supreme20: posts small blind $0.50
CubFan2323: posts big blind $1
Kaiward: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to edzwoo
tlatoani: folds
msparhaw: folds
BrocheN: folds
KentuckyRuLz: raises $2.50 to $3.50
takesix: folds
edzwoo: calls $3.50
supreme20: folds
CubFan2323: folds

Flop (Pot : $8.50)

   
KentuckyRuLz: checks
edzwoo: bets $6
KentuckyRuLz: raises $10 to $16
edzwoo: calls $10

Turn (Pot : $40.50)

   
KentuckyRuLz: checks
edzwoo: bets $22
KentuckyRuLz: raises $29 to $51
edzwoo: raises $36 to $87

this hand is a level right?

his range is AA/KK at worst

looks like 77 QQ TT QT AA KK or some weird ass move

fold flop, if not, check back turn

u butchered this hand big time, I don't care about the results

On April 21 2009 01:24 Fayth wrote: looks like 77 QQ TT QT AA KK or some weird ass move fold flop, if not, check back turn u butchered this hand big time, I don't care about the results

Is this ever AK, AJ, KJ?

If the answer is no, then okay. If the answer is yes, what's flawed with getting it in on a non J K or A turn?

I probably should have hidden my hand because I wanted the discussion to be about his range, not mine.

wtf are you doing calling this flop vs a 13/10 and with a hand that is most likely drawing dead, snap fold the flop.
This is just so bad, even if he is taking a weird line with AK(which he prolly wouldnt) you are flipping vs that, this is a huge spew.

Argh okay basically I'm asking what range goes with this weird line.

I'm aware of what my equity is even when his range for this line is both nuts and draws, and that I didn't have a solid read to base a decision on, which is why this hand is obviously played very poorly. I already understand that. It was played 2 weeks ago and I was probably tilting a bit.

Basically I figured he would take a weird line like this with a range of AJ, AK and all monsters. Vs that I have roughly 45% equity. My thought process at the time was to call his flop raise and get it in on any non J K or A turn. On a T turn, I have 55% equity against the same range.

I'm simply asking when a reg plays a hand like this that is outright weird, what do you expect his range to be on the turn? Mostly nuts? Air and nuts? Only draws? I am totally aware I butchered the hand. But I'm not asking if I played this right.

90+% of the time i see a reg take a weird line they have the nuts and are playing it in a messed up way to try and get value.

On April 21 2009 03:34 edzwoo wrote: Argh okay basically I'm asking what range goes with this weird line. I'm aware of what my equity is even when his range for this line is both nuts and draws, and that I didn't have a solid read to base a decision on, which is why this hand is obviously played very poorly. I already understand that. It was played 2 weeks ago and I was probably tilting a bit. Basically I figured he would take a weird line like this with a range of AJ, AK and all monsters. Vs that I have roughly 45% equity. My thought process at the time was to call his flop raise and get it in on any non J K or A turn. On a T turn, I have 55% equity against the same range. I'm simply asking when a reg plays a hand like this that is outright weird, what do you expect his range to be on the turn? Mostly nuts? Air and nuts? Only draws? I am totally aware I butchered the hand. But I'm not asking if I played this right.

I hope you do understand where your logic was bad, even if he has that range he doesnt take that line with air nearly as often on the flop so you dont have anything close to 45% imo, and even in the rare case he does you still cant get it in on the turn because he will not follow thru 100% of the time, this is a nit your dealing with and gotta act accordingly.
This line, especialy from a really nitty player that is aware of his nitiness is just to induce a bet or two out of you, dont fall for this, honestly this is like a set so often its not funny.

If he doesn't follow through, then that's good because I take down the pot uncontested, right? As opposed to folding, I win the pot.

But no I totally understand where my logic was bad, I just posted my thought process to make sure nobody thinks I'm just blindly mashing buttons. I am definitely NOT going to argue that my logic was good, because I don't think it was either.

Its not good because you originaly said you want to get it on a good turn and if he doesnt follow thru you can see why that idea is suicidal, and even if he does check you cant really win the pot uncontested because he can still c/r or c/c so its still a gross spot.

i think the point was that having 55% against that range isnt relevant because he can choose to get the last $80 in only with the monsters

To be honest, when I played the hand, I changed my mind on the turn when he c/r me and thought he would ONLY do this with AK or AJ, so basically I simply didn't think this line was ever the nuts lol. That's why I shipped it in and actually felt okay about it.

Seeing as nobody agrees with me, I am obviously WAY off here .

I mean, he definitely can have KJ and 98 here, but it doesn't mean he does have them. Thats why mixing semi bluffs into your range in spots like these are so profitable, because you have to fold 55, because you get crushed by the top of his range, don't do so well against the rest, and can't really play the hand profitably on future streets (I mean you got one of the best turn cards that's not a 5 and it's still tough). Unless you have the specific read that he is horribly unbalanced and only plays draws fast, you have to fold.

Keep in mind that he's tight so he probably only has at most 8 semibluff combos of KJs and 98s.

If you do call flop, which I think is a mistake, check back turn to try and get to showdown.

Honestly, his line really looks like QQ that locked up the board on the flop and c/r because he didn't know what you'd call with, then c/r the turn again because he was nutted and didn't care when the money went in.

quads obv

On April 21 2009 01:24 Fayth wrote: looks like 77 QQ TT QT AA KK or some weird ass move fold flop, if not, check back turn u butchered this hand big time, I don't care about the results

On April 21 2009 01:37 edzwoo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2009 01:24 Fayth wrote: looks like 77 QQ TT QT AA KK or some weird ass move fold flop, if not, check back turn u butchered this hand big time, I don't care about the results Is this ever AK, AJ, KJ? If the answer is no, then okay. If the answer is yes, what's flawed with getting it in on a non J K or A turn? I probably should have hidden my hand because I wanted the discussion to be about his range, not mine.

Even if it is it's no good. Those hands you mention still have good equity against you and they're not folding. Not to mention that those hands wouldn't play like that. A tight guy is not just gonna spew into you for no reason at all. This is a pretty terrible hand. Experimenting is good but this is simply bad play and I don't think anyone needs to explain why.

man you might have worse fancy play syndrome than me.

certainley looks a lot like a turned boat

oi


you in some kinda trouble here

lol this is embarrassing

Where's that gif of the little boy throwing some kung fu moves, and then running away from the chicken? That's pretty accurate here.

lolol

lol edzwoo! xD

I would probably 3bet pf as long as i haven't been pissing on him personally, seeing as i don't think i can setmine. on the flop I see alot of regs check with a wide range of hands here, but when they check raise they almost invariable have at least TPTK.

on the turn it definitely looks ALOT like the nuts. is a 13/10 tagbot really capable of repping this way with a draw? i find it unlikely...

also, looking at it from his perspective: your hand doesn't look weak at all so even if he is a genius bluffer (of which i am the only one at NL100 FR ) then he wouldn't be thinking that this was a good spot for him to semibluff anyway.

he'd basically have to be the worlds biggest spaz for you to be good here ever.

double c/r, LOL, that's the nuts, QQ/TT/44/QT every time.
easy fold man. and i'd just pitch it on the flop.

On April 22 2009 19:01 Exhilarate wrote: double c/r, LOL, that's the nuts, QQ/TT/44/QT every time. easy fold man. and i'd just pitch it on the flop.

i loled

On April 21 2009 05:18 edzwoo wrote: To be honest, when I played the hand, I changed my mind on the turn when he c/r me and thought he would ONLY do this with AK or AJ, so basically I simply didn't think this line was ever the nuts lol.

what this means is you should flat his turn c-r, then minbet river after he checks to you so you can SNAP OFF his triple check-raise bluff.

On April 23 2009 07:31 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2009 19:01 Exhilarate wrote: double c/r, LOL, that's the nuts, QQ/TT/44/QT every time. easy fold man. and i'd just pitch it on the flop. i loled

lol sorry i saw a 4 on the flop for some reason, i obv meant 77.

this looks insane and really -EV play you need a Hell of a read to do such a thing... not to mention you have 0 FE

If he has AK then the turn shove is for value obv.

Oh and results!

Submitted by : edzwoo

PokerStars Game #26920039032: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/04/09 22:12:42 CT [2009/04/09 23:12:42 ET]
Table Roswitha 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: BrocheN ($103 in chips)
Seat 3: KentuckyRuLz ($100.40 in chips)
Seat 4: takesix ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: edzwoo ($121.05 in chips)
Seat 6: supreme20 ($114.45 in chips)
Seat 7: CubFan2323 ($60 in chips)
Seat 8: tlatoani ($113.50 in chips)
Seat 9: msparhaw ($119.60 in chips)
supreme20: posts small blind $0.50
CubFan2323: posts big blind $1
Kaiward: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to edzwoo
tlatoani: folds
msparhaw: folds
BrocheN: folds
KentuckyRuLz: raises $2.50 to $3.50
takesix: folds
edzwoo: calls $3.50
supreme20: folds
CubFan2323: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $8.50)

   
KentuckyRuLz: checks
edzwoo: bets $6
KentuckyRuLz: raises $10 to $16
edzwoo: calls $10

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $40.50)

   
KentuckyRuLz: checks
edzwoo: bets $22
KentuckyRuLz: raises $29 to $51
edzwoo: raises $36 to $87
KentuckyRuLz: calls $29.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($6.10) returned to edzwoo

River (Pot : $202.30)

   

Showdown
KentuckyRuLz: shows (two pair, Kings and Tens)
edzwoo: mucks hand
KentuckyRuLz collected $199.30 from pot

Summary
Total pot $202.30 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: BrocheN folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: KentuckyRuLz showed and won ($199.30) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 4: takesix folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: edzwoo (button) mucked
Seat 6: supreme20 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: CubFan2323 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: tlatoani folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: msparhaw folded before Flop (didnt bet)

Lol Edzwoo. You took it like a man( the criticism). Fold flop. hope you took notes to avoid brain cramp next time. :o)

when u see a double c/r do you feel like a hero

double check raise is so gay, makes me feel so effing annoyed! like i got played so hard! of course call to suck his ass out! play like calling station so he plays more straight forward in the future. Great meta game!

At least that hand is good for the metagame~

do not like

this is an awful awful spew

at least you avoided him getting the trifecta on you (c/r on all streets and you calling every one)