Clonie Gowen has gone bat shit crazy

She is suing every one at FTP

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cour.../case_no-2:2008cv01581/case_id-62859/

http://www.pokerkingblog.com/2008/11/16/clonie-gowen-is-suing-full-tilt-poker/

2nd article says she claims FTP is worth $4 billion, wowza

Why you say she has gone batshit crazy? Her claims seem like they could be elgit.

just a headline to get peoples attention I guess, she probably is legit but suing people who were not actually a part of her contract when she first signed on seems out of place. Example: Patrick Antonius.

Wow, 250k vs 40 million, im not liking lederer

her real name is Cycalona wtffff

rofllllllllll

No way FTP is worth 4 billion even with all the promotion and possibly new account sign-ups that FTP pros bring. Lederer is probably low-balling her with that 250K offer but I think she knows she won't get 40 million but just wants the publicity to make them settle for something in between like 1 million. Look how shitty their software is. It is aptly named tiltware.

I dont know if this qualifies as gambling debts, but if it is can it be enforced in the US? Especially with it being a verbal agreement...

On November 16 2008 12:38 hkbubbletea wrote: It is aptly named tiltware.

word

On November 16 2008 12:45 killThemDonks wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2008 12:38 hkbubbletea wrote: It is aptly named tiltware. word to your mother

lol

this is hilarious/sick

Wait there's nothing in writing? No written contract?

Well there wasnt any written contract either with the guy who staked Jamie Gold and he still got owned hah.


But 4 billion? ROFL what a clown.

On November 16 2008 20:13 Baal wrote: Well there wasnt any written contract either with the guy who staked Jamie Gold and he still got owned hah. But 4 billion? ROFL what a clown.

that guy had a message on his answer machine proving it or something.

On November 16 2008 12:38 hkbubbletea wrote: No way FTP is worth 4 billion even with all the promotion and possibly new account sign-ups that FTP pros bring. Lederer is probably low-balling her with that 250K offer but I think she knows she won't get 40 million but just wants the publicity to make them settle for something in between like 1 million. Look how shitty their software is. It is aptly named tiltware.

WHAT you must be pretty spoiled if you call ftp software shitty. i dont even think its that much worse than stars, and its 10000x better than say the third nicest poker client software and 10000000x better than the median poker software in terms of niceness. so many euro sites are just brutal

On November 16 2008 23:15 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2008 12:38 hkbubbletea wrote: No way FTP is worth 4 billion even with all the promotion and possibly new account sign-ups that FTP pros bring. Lederer is probably low-balling her with that 250K offer but I think she knows she won't get 40 million but just wants the publicity to make them settle for something in between like 1 million. Look how shitty their software is. It is aptly named tiltware. WHAT you must be pretty spoiled if you call ftp software shitty. i dont even think its that much worse than stars, and its 10000x better than say the third nicest poker client software and 10000000x better than the median poker software in terms of niceness. so many euro sites are just brutal

For a poker room that is probably in the top 3 in terms of users, I think that FTP could do a lot more to improve their software in comparison Pokerstars. I do not think it is unusable as I do play on the site but I think they have some work to do if they want to catch up to Pokerstars. I just encounter terrible responsiveness, connectivity issues, and some bad software design choices in comparison to PokerStars. I'm sure I'm not alone in talking about issues with FTP software.

How a site that pretty much runs smoothly, has so little investment and maintenance fucks up with the software is just insane i mean, ffs its the easiest shit ever, compare the maintenance or development these sites have compared to WoW and Battlenet... Blizzard works 100x more efficiently and they make like 1/10th of what FullTilt does, that shit tilts me.

On November 16 2008 22:57 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2008 20:13 Baal wrote: Well there wasnt any written contract either with the guy who staked Jamie Gold and he still got owned hah. But 4 billion? ROFL what a clown. that guy had a message on his answer machine proving it or something.

that explains a lot, i always wondered how on earth he managed to pull it off withouth any proof.

my estimates r that ftp is worth minimum 8 billion rupees

twelve million billions imo. Euros.

On November 17 2008 02:22 RaiNKhAN wrote: my estimates r that ftp is worth minimum 8 billion rupees

Satellite image of clownie

no i think thats link dude

i disagree... either Link is female or he has some serious issue with man boobs:

ugh i failed to complete that game i got stuck in dungeon 8 or something

was such a great game too.. i am not worthy

On November 17 2008 04:28 Jelle wrote: ugh i failed to complete that game i got stuck in dungeon 8 or something was such a great game too.. i am not worthy

i failed too when i was a child, best game ever.

So a year ago i downloaded a SNES emulator and totally beat the shit out of the game

most of us arent in a position to know any details at all on whether she is or isnt nuts. but here are a few interesting postings of Daniel Negreneau on the subject, from fcp forum:

"1. Bad for Poker.
2. I'd bet $50,000 that she has no contract stating she owns 1% of the company.
3. This will cause her a lot of personal pain.
4. She'll spend more in lawyer fees than she'll get in a settlement.
5. I don't believe that she was ever an owner of any percentage of FTP."

"There is no contract and I don't buy for a second that she owned 1% at any point. No chance."

"Or 3) She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot."

"It's so obvious what she is trying to do. Who do you think posted the link on the internet? She wants to create a stir in the hopes that she can get some kind of home rum settlement figuring FTP can afford it and it's easier to throw money at her and make her go away. All of it based on complete lunacy and lies. I hope she ends up with what she deserves: nothing. She's ruined herself with this move. I'll never speak to her again, and I'm sure I'm not alone."

"Believe me on this one bro, she is drawing dead and just ruined herself. I'd bet a million dollars to your $1000 that she was never given 1% of the company. Actually that's not fair to you. I'm not going to share anything more than that on an internet forum, but Clownie has officially lost her mind and is probably going to end up with nothing, broke, and out of poker within the next two years. It's over for her. Good riddance."

"So how does anyone believe she got "no compensation?" Has she not played a ton of WPT and WSOP events? Where did that money come from?"

"This link was posts on 2+2 the day it was filed. It was posted by an account with 4 posts, all coincidentally having to do with Clonie and FTP. Coincidence? No, it was her."

"As or Clonie, naming random people associated with FTP in a lawsuit is extremely irresponsible and inappropriate. It's like she's just throwing darts and guessing. She's not going to make any friends doing that. I mean, Mike Matusow? Like he needs to be on that suit, it's ridiculous."

while i was in vegas i heard that phill was a 2% owner of the company, and he made roughly 650K a month from his share.. i dont remember who i heard this from so i duno if its legit.. but with how much money that site makes, it could b.

Kolyma Corporation is defendant ... ain`t that moneybookers?

40 million $.... Thats like 10k euros right?

^^^ lol good one.

wow standard money grubbing whore move for sure. women in vegas just can't be trusted ;p

On November 22 2008 12:09 YoMeR wrote: ^^^ lol good one. wow standard money grubbing whore move for sure. women in vegas just can't be trusted ;p

SUM1 SHOULDA TOLD ME

you didn't get the memo chris?

fail.

On November 17 2008 04:28 Jelle wrote: ugh i failed to complete that game i got stuck in dungeon 8 or something was such a great game too.. i am not worthy

wtf..this was the only zelda game i could finish without a guide book

link to the past is awesome as all fuck

Originally Posted by Barry Greenstein I don't agree with Daniel about it ruining her for poker, but maybe he just means that is is very tough for the average tournament player to make enough to pay the bills without any sponsorship. I don't get the feeling that Clonie supplements her income with side-game winnings, although she does make something from poker boot camps. For all the criticism about her play, she has won two decent tournaments this year and three (out of three) Poker After Darks. That makes her sixth on the all time money list for women in poker. I wouldn't count invitational events, but even without them she would be in the top ten. I vaguely recall her telling me a few years back that she thought she was going to get some stock, but I would have thought she would have gotten that cleared up within a year of representing the company. It certainly seems strange to bring it up after all these years. I'll invite Clonie to post here, although I assume her lawyers will advise her not to. Just in case, limit the unwarranted personal attacks that always come off as misogynistic so I can sell her on the fact that these are forums where people will give her a chance to state her case without bashing her for no reason. Update: I just got off the phone with Clonie. 1. She always thought she had a piece and was told because of the grey area with poker that there were reasons that things weren't in writing. 2. She has been pursuing her piece in writing ever since the distributions went out a year and a half ago. 3. She had been negotiating in private but she was unable to get anything done so she had to get a lawyer. (They offered a settlement that she rejected.) 4. She also questioned why poker players were named in the suit, but her attorney told her that it had to be done that way since they were owners and also so that their paperwork could be subpoenaed. 5. Daniel doesn't like her. (no kidding!) Barry

interesting

I agree with Daniel much more than Barry, though Barry does seem less biased. The fact remains she has NOTHING in writing, and is most likely making everything up. Ungrateful whore imo. Free buy-ins to 10k events, rake free play at FTP, and 250k on top..... that's way more than she's worth in terms of her poker "skill". The only reason a player of her caliber has any publicity value is because she's a former beauty queen or something, her poker abilities do not justify the amount of money she wants. Hell imo they barely justify what she was already getting.

Barry sounds much more reasonable and level-minded, and his version of events sound so much more comprehensible than the notion of Clonie simply being a 'money grubbing whore'.

Also whether or not she deserves the money shouldn't be relevant to this situation like some people seem to think it is.

Her poker skill has no bearing on the situation. Its whether she was promised 1% ownership.

On November 22 2008 17:06 Maynard! wrote: Her poker skill has no bearing on the situation. Its whether she was promised 1% ownership.

does it really matter if she was promised it? There is probably no way she can prove she was promised anything if nothing was written down which is obv a necessity in a contract like this

On November 22 2008 17:16 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2008 17:06 Maynard! wrote: Her poker skill has no bearing on the situation. Its whether she was promised 1% ownership. does it really matter if she was promised it? There is probably no way she can prove she was promised anything if nothing was written down which is obv a necessity in a contract like this

QFT and that's the bottom line. Don't see how she can win.

On November 22 2008 17:16 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2008 17:06 Maynard! wrote: Her poker skill has no bearing on the situation. Its whether she was promised 1% ownership. does it really matter if she was promised it? There is probably no way she can prove she was promised anything if nothing was written down which is obv a necessity in a contract like this

Not necessarily. I'd guess that her case is going to be fairly legit.

On November 22 2008 12:09 YoMeR wrote: ^^^ lol good one. wow standard money grubbing whore move for sure. women in vegas just can't be trusted ;p

QFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

must be on her period

wow sound unlikely though that they would promise her 1%... think she misunderstood

On November 23 2008 00:35 mrpav.com wrote: must be on her period

lol and this

On November 22 2008 17:16 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2008 17:06 Maynard! wrote: Her poker skill has no bearing on the situation. Its whether she was promised 1% ownership. does it really matter if she was promised it? There is probably no way she can prove she was promised anything if nothing was written down which is obv a necessity in a contract like this

Well if this agreement was made there are probably quite a few people that know about the deal and i doubt they will all lie under oath.

I just got a phone call from The Professor and he told me that i somehow (used too much fancy words, u know how he speaks) owe 1.5% of FTP! I am sick of FTP and am signing off so I will speak with him if i can get my 1.5% share (almost $65 miuion) or i am going to the court with my greedy brother, who happened to witness my conversation with Howard on the phone! FTP has no chance in the court. I thought we were gentlemen, Howard... shame on you!

I was also promised, by phil ivey, 2% of stake a while ago. He uses the words quote for quote "you are 2% fool tilt poker dog". I want my $100 mirrions -
Willing to give a share of my money whoever that helps me.

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rofl owned

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oh my god thats so fucking funny lol

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The car, shall u not get!

stars is worth 7.6 billion according to a source at stars so ftp should be worth somewhere around 4 billion.

god that is a lot