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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 07:31. Posts 1553 | | |
Hey all,
first of all, thanks to everyone who will read (some parts) of this huge post and give me some advice, all input is much appreciated!
so I made the transition from NL50 on FTP to NL100 on PS lately and I' ve been having a bit of a rough time. It's been mostly because of running bad, but this is not a whine topic. While running bad, I tend to look over all my hands and see if I make plays that are -EV.
- I am asking you to tell me how I should' ve played certain hands to save myself some money in the future. It will probably include some horrible plays as well (only been playing 1/2 a year, I' m still learning), so don' t be too harsh  .
- Please mention my points / hand examples / questions listed as 1) --> 8), if you give a specific reply.
- I am also asking anyone who' s familiar with NL100 FR on PS, to give some general advice how to play versus these tons of calling stations, setminers and extremely tight nits. Normally I try to find it out myself, but hopefully your opinions will help me save money and time!
1) First, my own stats, anything fundamentally wrong with it?
2) Small flush, should I've reraised flop hard to see if I was beat and save myself the turn / river action? Or is this just a no brainer to get to the showdown if the board doesn' t pair / no 4th club comes?
Submitted by : Tycho
POKERSTARS GAME #8547980103: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/21 - 05:00:34 (ET)
Table 'Nephthys V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Tombstone30 ($96.60 in chips)
Seat 2: SolaSystem ($223.90 in chips)
Seat 3: NRLGolf15 ($103 in chips)
Seat 4: PretenderTUW ($147.45 in chips)
Seat 5: John Babiuk ($62.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Flushtrated ($100.30 in chips)
Seat 7: THESLOTHS1 ($105.65 in chips)
Seat 8: generalpoker ($100.65 in chips)
Seat 9: thomas40j ($49 in chips)
NRLGolf15: posts small blind $0.50
PretenderTUW: posts big blind $1
Holecards
Dealt to PretenderTUW  
John Babiuk: calls $1
Flushtrated: calls $1
THESLOTHS1: folds
generalpoker: folds
thomas40j: calls $1
Tombstone30: folds
SolaSystem: folds
NRLGolf15: calls $0.50
PretenderTUW: checks
Flop (Pot : $5)
  
NRLGolf15: checks
PretenderTUW: bets $2
John Babiuk: folds
Flushtrated: raises $4 to $6
thomas40j: folds
NRLGolf15: folds
PretenderTUW: calls $4
Turn (Pot : $17)
PretenderTUW: bets $10
Flushtrated: raises $10 to $20
PretenderTUW: calls $10
River (Pot : $57)
PretenderTUW: checks
Flushtrated: bets $32
PretenderTUW: calls $32
Showdown
Flushtrated: shows   (a flush, Ace high)
PretenderTUW: mucks hand
Flushtrated collected $118 from pot
Summary
Total pot $121 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: Tombstone30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SolaSystem (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NRLGolf15 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: PretenderTUW (big blind) mucked
Seat 5: John Babiuk folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Flushtrated showed and won ($118) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: THESLOTHS1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: generalpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: thomas40j folded on the Flop
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 07:32. Posts 1553 | | | |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 07:33. Posts 1553 | | | |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 07:48. Posts 1553 | | |
wow this is even bigger then i thought it would be, well you can always just slide through and give general advice about my plays.. specific advice per hand would be great though =) |
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nicksson Sweden. Feb 22 2007 07:59. Posts 4662 | | |
next time just link to the hand |
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sOah United Kingdom. Feb 22 2007 08:15. Posts 4527 | | |
here are a few bits of advice, listen to them or don't I haven't personally played NL$100 Full-ring on Stars but here it goes -
1) don't bluff or feel the need to bluff - dear god you don't need to bluff to make easy easy easy money so why bother making a simple game hard?
2) on hands like (8), what the hell do you beat? Don't look at your hand - look at the actions, the player, the board, and THEN your hand, and then take it from there.
3) everytime something happens like on (7), just note down that that partciular player cold called /w AA and in what position pf, and then adjust your play accordingly. Sometimes that's all you can do, and keep it for next time you play them, and if you play with them enough, you'll make that money back and more.
4) hands like (6) is such a spew, completely unnecessary and no matter what you tell yourself, you're turning your hand into 32o, cause it might as well be 32o. Don't do any of these types of things without STRONG reads that you've picked up with pots you've been in or pots you've seen players play with others. I can tell you that I wouldn't be far off in saying that 75%+ people that play NL$100 Full-ring profitably, never, ever EVER bluff, unless you call shoving AdKd on 2d6dQx a bluff, which you shouldn't. You get what I mean.
I could go on and on but hopefully this has helped you a bit. |
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Joe Czech Republic. Feb 22 2007 08:23. Posts 5987 | | |
overall advice after quick look over all the hands:
u seem to overthink situations a lot. dont try to represent something u dont have too much, dont bluff if they clearly have at least something. cbet bluff should be the only frequently used bluff. u may bluff in some small unconteted pots, but its not really a good idea to try and make people fold decent hands after they invested some money to the pot.
play straightforward poker, play ur hands for the real value they have, dont think people always bluff u (if they do, then its usually extremely obvious, else assume they have it much more often than not), make as much value of ur hands as u can.
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Joe Czech Republic. Feb 22 2007 08:36. Posts 5987 | | |
ad2 - bet pot on flop, dont try to suck people in with such a vulnerable hand. basically its not a big deal to lose half a buyin on flopped flush vs overflush, but i really dont like the way u played it. better play it strong, protect it and if he still minraises u and then bets a lot on river u might fold.
ad3 - i wouldnt recommend doing this unless u have a read that it means weakness by that particular player. if he frontbets smallish, u may try it more often, but here u really need to be successfull extremely often for it to be +EV. simply play the hand strength, which is fold here.
ad4 - dont play rred pot pf with KQ unless villain is a maniac. and dont ever ever read this as a weakness unless u really know villain very very good. again, play according to what u really have, dont make big bluffs hoping it would work
ad5 - bet pot on the flop, the rest is quite ok. just dont get into some heavy action with it thinking he would bluff u.
i think i would have bet turn though, like 2/3potsize and then check/call river or check/fold if it was too expensive.
ad6 - play them for what they are worth - to hit a set. dont try these bluffs to much. even if u really feel the need to, then better float flop and take it down on turn if he checks to u. but then again, u may as well do it with 27o.
ad7 - hm i think u played this hand fine, it is better to make ur decision there on flop imo. if he was a fullstack i wouldnt like to play JJ for stacks there unless he is aggro, but vs a shortie, its kinda easy to play it for his stack.
ad8 - he limped utg, so u dont really beat much after his flop raise. but given how cheap it was, i think u played this hand fine. of course u would have to fold it to any bigger action.
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sOah United Kingdom. Feb 22 2007 08:36. Posts 4527 | | |
yea obv a cont bet with a strong hand vs one opponent is not a bluff per se |
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ok first off your stats are ridiculous 6k hands really are nothing but try to get your won at showdown rate over 50%. ok next thing is you seem to get too aggressive against the regulars on your table like with the 44 hand most of these guys arent betting the flop with AK or something nl100 is still basically about nut peddling and set farming.but one thing you have to focus on is table selection which i think becomes very important. try to always have some fish on your table because its really tough to make money from the tight players on nl100. |
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Radiohead Norway. Feb 22 2007 08:47. Posts 1476 | | |
you should raise more of your hands preflop
you play too many hands from the small blind
your turn AF is a bit high, check turn sometimes and exercise pot control, try to avoid getting into huge pots with one pair hands etc if the pot started out small
and of course, you should try to get your showdown % won above 50. |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 08:53. Posts 1553 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 07:36 Joe wrote:
ad5 - bet pot on the flop, the rest is quite ok. just dont get into some heavy action with it thinking he would bluff u.
i think i would have bet turn though, like 2/3potsize and then check/call river or check/fold if it was too expensive.
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so do you think it' s always better to continue betting on a scary turncard, to show that it doesn' t scare you?
if he reraises turn big should i fold? the check / call river or check fold if too expensive i did already, hopefully most players don' t value bet at nl100 =[
i really appreciate the help guys |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 08:56. Posts 1553 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 07:40 def_jammer wrote:
but one thing you have to focus on is table selection which i think becomes very important. try to always have some fish on your table because its really tough to make money from the tight players on nl100. |
table selection meaning i should go on tables with the highest PFR % and biggest pots right? and fish being either marked players or shortstacks (20 - 80 $ stacks) --> i remember reading on this site you should always sit at tables with many big stacks though, what's your thought on this? |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 22 2007 08:58. Posts 1553 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 07:47 Radiohead wrote:
you should raise more of your hands preflop
you play too many hands from the small blind
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1) i raise almost every hand i play when the pot isn' t raised, i do tend to reraise only with premium hands, is reraising with average hands in position worth it vs the regular nutpeddler or should i only do it against people with high vpip/pf ?
2) on a quick side note: what hand range do you call with in the SB in an unraised pot? |
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Chase Canada. Feb 22 2007 09:00. Posts 1077 | | |
Play good solid poker
95% of it all is just to play good, solid poker
So when it comes down to it, just play good poker
Solid, good poker, that's what it's all about
So yeah, just play good, solid poker
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XeliN United Kingdom. Feb 22 2007 09:00. Posts 2365 | | |
to me personally you seem to have played the hands relatively fine possibly being overagressive but i like how you played them |
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Joe Czech Republic. Feb 22 2007 09:08. Posts 5987 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 07:53 Tycho wrote:
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On February 22 2007 07:36 Joe wrote:
ad5 - bet pot on the flop, the rest is quite ok. just dont get into some heavy action with it thinking he would bluff u.
i think i would have bet turn though, like 2/3potsize and then check/call river or check/fold if it was too expensive.
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so do you think it' s always better to continue betting on a scary turncard, to show that it doesn' t scare you?
if he reraises turn big should i fold? the check / call river or check fold if too expensive i did already, hopefully most players don' t value bet at nl100 =[
i really appreciate the help guys
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its not always better to continue on a scary turn card, but here your hand was improved at is pretty strong. u wanna bet it so that u still get value from weaker hands but u cant bet it too small to be raised by a bluff. basically u want to play ur hand strength. here ur hand is pretty strong, so just bet it, but of course it isnt strong enough to call a raise there if u bet enough.
overall, from ur stats it appeart that u overplay marginal hands on turn a bit though, as someone already said, u should excersize pot control on turn. dont play big turn and river pots with 1 pair vs standard nits unless the money went to the pot early (preflop, max on flop). |
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| | On February 22 2007 07:56 Tycho wrote:
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On February 22 2007 07:40 def_jammer wrote:
but one thing you have to focus on is table selection which i think becomes very important. try to always have some fish on your table because its really tough to make money from the tight players on nl100. |
table selection meaning i should go on tables with the highest PFR % and biggest pots right? and fish being either marked players or shortstacks (20 - 80 $ stacks) --> i remember reading on this site you should always sit at tables with many big stacks though, what's your thought on this?
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yes it means that you should always go on these tables but it also means that if you spot some tables getting tight close them immediatly and search for better ones |
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Radiohead Norway. Feb 22 2007 09:44. Posts 1476 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 07:58 Tycho wrote:
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On February 22 2007 07:47 Radiohead wrote:
you should raise more of your hands preflop
you play too many hands from the small blind
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1) i raise almost every hand i play when the pot isn' t raised, i do tend to reraise only with premium hands, is reraising with average hands in position worth it vs the regular nutpeddler or should i only do it against people with high vpip/pf ?
2) on a quick side note: what hand range do you call with in the SB in an unraised pot?
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1) Yeah, reraise more than just AA KK QQ against late position openers, squeeze more, do resteals from the blinds vs avid blind stealers etc
2)Its hard to give a specific hand range, it depends so much on the table and number of limpers etc.But I try to avoid calling with crap hands like for example 96o, J6s, A6o. Just remember that you'll have the worst position for the rest of the hand so, well, sb sucks. |
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SakiSaki  Sweden. Feb 22 2007 10:24. Posts 9687 | | |
Let me just ask, how many hands of 100nl have you played totally? |
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Ilintar Poland. Feb 22 2007 12:50. Posts 34 | | |
I have to admit I don't play NL100, so my advice might be a little out of line here. But if you ask for all possible advice, here it goes:
2) I'd fold here or reraise (on the flop). If you just flat call, you're leaving yourself with exactly the same dilemma on all streets, but with an increasingly growing pot. IMO if you have an uncomfortable flop and you're OOP, you should find out where you're standing early and if your opponent shows you're beat, just get out. So, either reraise on the flop, if you read him capable of bluffing a multiway pot with 2 people behind him remaining or raising with top pair/a set, or fold if you feel you're beat.
3) Don't bluff in bad position with people behind to act. Also, don't bluff OOP on a flop that's likely to have hit your opponent's call range.
4) Your turn bet is insane. If he called your raise on a dry board on the flop, he isn't going anywhere. If he had an overpair to the low cards on the flop, he still has it. You're not forcing out anything that your flop bet wouldn't have forced out. Had he flat called, you might've tried this, but here, it's suicide.
5) I would've bet the turn. The problem is, your check seems weak. If your opponent is aggressive, he'll now often bet the turn, representing a flush. If you call and he observes this, he'll often play this for value with a made flush instead. If you fold, you're getting bluffed out of a pot more often than you should. Also, by checking here you're giving someone with 1 diamond (for example, the unaccounted-for Ad) a chance to draw to their flush. If he calls or raises the turn, I'm out of here.
6) Provided you don't do it too often, a reasonable semibluff on this board. It didn't work, you got out, nothing really bad in it. Just don't do it too often.
7) Statistics here. There's just one lower overpair here vs. 3 higher overpairs (QQ, KK, AA). Of course, he'd probably reraise AA and KK before the flop, but if he would call a raise even very rarely, it still goes behind you. Another hand that raises you here is JsTs and you definitely don't want to put that hand all-in on the flop. You've made a bet making it unprofitable for him to draw (esp. since he's short stacked, so he has no implied odds), he raised you, get out.
8) Same as before. It's not a coinflip since you raised before the flop, so there are _no_ overpairs you beat, there's only one hand he could marginally call the raise with (A9), and there are four real hands that raise here and have you beat (JJ, QQ, KK, AA). Numbers say you fold here.
A general note: respect bets/raises more. At least from what you've pasted here, you disrespect big bets/raises too rarely, feeling they're a bluff or steal attempt. As a rule of a thumb, if someone raises you, he _usually_ has something. Unless, of course, you read your opponents as hyperaggressive, betting at every pot postflop. |
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jkpickett United States. Feb 22 2007 12:53. Posts 1403 | | |
well in point number 2) vs. flushstrated (the guy is a total loose cannon maniac waiting to be busted). you look for opportunities just like this and sometimes the cards set you up. i wouldn't change anything against a guy like this. now if it was one of those 8/4/1 nits, then maybe you can save some money, but not even sure of that. |
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jkpickett United States. Feb 22 2007 12:56. Posts 1403 | | |
another thing is at nl100, it's still hard to get really fancy and advanced with your plays because you'd be amazed what hands people still can't throw away. the opponents still mostly play their own hand and don't put you on ranges, etc. a few of them do, but the vast majority are donks. |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 23 2007 03:00. Posts 1553 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 09:24 SakiSaki wrote:
Let me just ask, how many hands of 100nl have you played totally? |
those are almost all my hands, so like 7 - 8k total, yes i know it's very very little, but i just felt a bit lost and thought i should make some adjustments to my game |
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Jelle Belgium. Feb 23 2007 04:35. Posts 3476 | | |
notice how people showed him the nuts at showdown every single time |
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Jelle Belgium. Feb 23 2007 04:58. Posts 3476 | | |
| | On February 22 2007 11:56 jkpickett wrote:
another thing is at nl100, it's still hard to get really fancy and advanced with your plays because you'd be amazed what hands people still can't throw away. the opponents still mostly play their own hand and don't put you on ranges, etc. a few of them do, but the vast majority are donks. |
yeah u mean like they cant throw away AA? |
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sOah United Kingdom. Feb 23 2007 05:15. Posts 4527 | | |
| | On February 23 2007 03:35 GroT wrote:
notice how people showed him the nuts at showdown every single time |
NOTICE, GroT highlights a very VERY good point here |
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Tycho Netherlands. Feb 23 2007 06:47. Posts 1553 | | |
| | On February 23 2007 04:15 sOah wrote:
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On February 23 2007 03:35 GroT wrote:
notice how people showed him the nuts at showdown every single time |
NOTICE, GroT highlights a very VERY good point here
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haha, it's not true though =]
well i've cut down on my small pair agression, and raising some more in position, and it feels like I can play more solid poker |
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