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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 01 2022 08:57. Posts 34139

So the new poker scandal and potential cheater, heres the info if you live under a rock:





So to me I'd lean about 40% ish that she is indeed cheating, she was playing $400 tournaments just snaps "returns" 130k because Garret got angry? pretty fucking sus.


So far the community is pretty split, pros like Shaun Deeb, Haralbob Voulgaris, Polk lean strongly towards cheat and others like Haxton, Busquet and Jason Mo lean towards innocent.

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 01 2022 09:04. Posts 34139

Joey made a 10h stream (still going on day2) and her defenders are just saying she is super smart and she just soul read Garrett LOL, they are doing more harm than good because there are only 2 options, she is cheating or she is the worst poker player ever.

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CamilaPunt   Brasil. Oct 01 2022 15:50. Posts 2419

crazy hand

garrett got super flustered afterwards

everything is off on that hand
she gave the money back afterwards wtf?


if i was cheating there and tried mini raising to steal brick river somehow and then garrett owns me by shoving it in id be like fuck if i call here will be the most suspect call ever aside from almost a flip anyways

i lean on dumb & innocent

but very weird situation


devon06atX   Canada. Oct 02 2022 00:59. Posts 5437

Her reasoning was damning. And giving the money back? Polk did a good job covering that part. And just.. the hand.. wtf

How do you guys think the cheat went down? Tiny camera's somewhere scoping in on peoples cards? Man... if I was playing at that table, I'd ask for curtains to be drawn in close to our backs. Well. And refusing to play until she left.

As an aside - trying to make herself a victim to deflect.. man, these times we live in. fml


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 02 2022 11:47. Posts 3061

If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position?

I'm strongly leaning bad player. A home game I've been playing in occasionally the past few years has included two totally new girls. I could picture both of them playing this hand the exact same way. While if I were playing this and cheating, I would absolutely avoid putting myself in a spot where I have to do an underdog flip for my entire stack. Doing that while cheating is dumber than playing this hand legit.

lol POKER 

devon06atX   Canada. Oct 02 2022 19:46. Posts 5437


  On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position?


Great friggin question really. They discussed it in the video that (again, all hypothetical) it's likely the 'cheat mechanism' only gave win vs loss (go vs no) instead of detailing wtf to do... and clearly in this total fuckaroo of a hand, it wasn't the best device.

Anyways. All hearsay. But I think she was cheating. I still wanna know how they knew what he had tho...


Baalim   Mexico. Oct 03 2022 01:48. Posts 34139


  On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position?

I'm strongly leaning bad player. A home game I've been playing in occasionally the past few years has included two totally new girls. I could picture both of them playing this hand the exact same way. While if I were playing this and cheating, I would absolutely avoid putting myself in a spot where I have to do an underdog flip for my entire stack. Doing that while cheating is dumber than playing this hand legit.



Because if she was cheating the likely method is telling her if she is winning either at the time or at showdown, if so mini-raising to get him off the hand is ok and she gets shoved and your cheat says you are ahead you call, getting him to fold on the turn would be way less sus than J4o calldown obv.

Either way cheating or not she is obv a very bad player.

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 03 2022 01:51. Posts 34139


  On October 02 2022 18:46 devon06atX wrote:
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Great friggin question really. They discussed it in the video that (again, all hypothetical) it's likely the 'cheat mechanism' only gave win vs loss (go vs no) instead of detailing wtf to do... and clearly in this total fuckaroo of a hand, it wasn't the best device.

Anyways. All hearsay. But I think she was cheating. I still wanna know how they knew what he had tho...


the cards have an RFID chip for the stream, the way to cheat would be to gain acces to this information real time and just signaling to her not the exact cards since that requires either a screen or a complex system, just simply signaling if she is going to win at showdon or not, this cheating method has been done in big private games in LA.




BTW, Galfond weighted in saying most likely innocent and Dwan quoted him saying he believes she is indeed cheating lol, Dwans view weight heavily since few people have as much experience as him in live home games with a lot of cheating.

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FrinkX   United States. Oct 03 2022 15:22. Posts 7559


  On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position?

I'm strongly leaning bad player.



I think she's both a terrible player as well as a cheater, I really don't think it has to be one or the other. Doug Polk's video explains it well in terms of encountering fish/cheaters with minraises but in the end I don't think we need to explain it. Calling off 100k more with J high is the problem. It isn't a soul read, It's completely nonsensical and doesn't come down to some sort of fish spaz call.

bitch on a pension suck my dong 

FrinkX   United States. Oct 03 2022 15:23. Posts 7559

also she challenged him to HU on twitter, pretty funny

bitch on a pension suck my dong 

Loco   Canada. Oct 04 2022 22:44. Posts 20898

looking at her face I lean heavily towards "too dumb to know how to cheat", I don't think anyone would trust someone like her to cheat successfully. bad player getting lucky is more probable.

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NewbSaibot   United States. Oct 05 2022 03:01. Posts 4913

Maybe she's both dumb and a cheater. It's like when some esports gamer runs full aimbot or wallhack the entire round. They either DGAF or they're too stupid to understand how obvious it looks to their opponent. If she's cheating she probably just figures she'll look awesome for the hero call. I'm thinking some sort of exploit into the livestream an outside party has learned that may not provide consistent results hence her 'toggle hax' style of play.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - ZalforLast edit: 05/10/2022 03:02

Baalim   Mexico. Oct 05 2022 09:14. Posts 34139

oh wow, the staker and presumed accomplice (guy in the cowboys hat) just when the hand is over says "its almost like a spiritual guide was in your ear telling you to call".

These assholes are guilty

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Loco   Canada. Oct 06 2022 03:30. Posts 20898

big brain discussion on her

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NewbSaibot   United States. Oct 07 2022 06:22. Posts 4913

WOW, guy who has access to the live stream steals 15k from Robbi's stack when she's afk. She doesnt press charges.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - ZalforLast edit: 07/10/2022 07:15

PuertoRican   United States. Oct 07 2022 09:08. Posts 12812




I have been following this story since it started. Love me some drama.

I just finished watching the Day 6 love stream. Joey had a bunch of guests on, including Deeb, Dwan, Bob, and Ronni herself.

Also, I'm still on vacation in the Philippines for the next few days, which is why I haven't posted about the drama on the main page.

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Big_Rob_isback   United States. Oct 07 2022 10:00. Posts 211

Fuuuuck.... everytime I read and listen to poker players' takes, I think she didn't cheat. Then when I go and rewatch the hand on Youtube, I just have to believe what my eyes see and say it is cheating. She is a winning player in the game and made day 4 of the WSOP main event. I totally believe it is possible to donk off with J high here if you are rich as fuck and don't know shit about how to play poker, but she knows how to play poker.

The only thing that makes sense is the long term EV of the call if she is right that Garrett has two undercards to the TT9 board. She gets to be a superstar for a while, and maybe she thought that making as wild of a call and potentially looking like and idiot was worth it. She has no ability to feel shame over losing money, so why not give it a shot?

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. Oct 07 2022 14:30. Posts 3061


  On October 03 2022 00:48 Baalim wrote:
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Because if she was cheating the likely method is telling her if she is winning either at the time or at showdown, if so mini-raising to get him off the hand is ok and she gets shoved and your cheat says you are ahead you call, getting him to fold on the turn would be way less sus than J4o calldown obv.

Either way cheating or not she is obv a very bad player.


Even then (she has a ring that vibrates if she's ahead or whatever), she's not ahead on the turn - she's 47 to 53. With money in the pot it's still a 'correct call', I guess..

Although ok - this is something I didn't think about before - but I guess she's actually only ahead because the odds calculator they're using for the show know which cards have been folded, and without knowledge of folded cards, her jack is indeed the favorite. That type of explanation makes cheat more likely. It's still just such a dumb way to cheat though - if you actually have a way of reliably cheating, use it to reliably bluff some showdowns and make sure the big pots go your way - don't use it to make a super suspicious hero call that also happens to have a near 50% shot at taking your entire stack. Of course, people with superuser accounts have also been dumb enough to make 500 correct actions in a row, but without having seen this episode, how was her play otherwise?

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Oddeye   Canada. Oct 07 2022 18:31. Posts 5074


  On October 07 2022 09:00 Big_Rob_isback wrote:
Fuuuuck.... everytime I read and listen to poker players' takes, I think she didn't cheat. Then when I go and rewatch the hand on Youtube, I just have to believe what my eyes see and say it is cheating. She is a winning player in the game and made day 4 of the WSOP main event. I totally believe it is possible to donk off with J high here if you are rich as fuck and don't know shit about how to play poker, but she knows how to play poker.

The only thing that makes sense is the long term EV of the call if she is right that Garrett has two undercards to the TT9 board. She gets to be a superstar for a while, and maybe she thought that making as wild of a call and potentially looking like and idiot was worth it. She has no ability to feel shame over losing money, so why not give it a shot?



Saw this on reddit, she clearly did not make a genius call. So the two other option are cheating, or bad(possibly both). I personally didn't think she cheated, I think the superstar feeling call theory is right, I see people do that a bit, less for the I might look like idiot bad tho. If she however is a acceptable/good player (I don't know who she is) then it is much more likely cheating.

I think she paid it back which is weird I think, but that doesn't really prove anything.

 Last edit: 07/10/2022 18:34

NewbSaibot   United States. Oct 07 2022 22:59. Posts 4913


  On October 07 2022 13:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: if you actually have a way of reliably cheating, use it to reliably bluff some showdowns and make sure the big pots go your way - don't use it to make a super suspicious hero call

emphasis on "reliably". Maybe her cheat isnt reliable. In fact maybe it's an exploit. Maybe there's some bug in the livestream. Maybe someone found a way to backdoor into it once every 100 hands. Maybe her long range RFID scanner wasnt working properly and it finally kicked on in this particular spot. Everyone assumes that a cheater is just pure superusing with an accomplice feeding them information like we have as observers. It could be much more narrow than that though, hence her taking crazy spots like this because "welp, it's either now or never".

In fact maybe her cheat is much more basic, not electronic at all. Maybe her accomplice simply uses a hand signal, places a drink a certain way, scratches his balls when she's ahead or not. It could be quite rudimentary which is why she's not able to execute perfect plays very often.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - ZalforLast edit: 07/10/2022 23:12

 
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