Robbi cheating allegations

So the new poker scandal and potential cheater, heres the info if you live under a rock:





So to me I'd lean about 40% ish that she is indeed cheating, she was playing $400 tournaments just snaps "returns" 130k because Garret got angry? pretty fucking sus.


So far the community is pretty split, pros like Shaun Deeb, Haralbob Voulgaris, Polk lean strongly towards cheat and others like Haxton, Busquet and Jason Mo lean towards innocent.

Joey made a 10h stream (still going on day2) and her defenders are just saying she is super smart and she just soul read Garrett LOL, they are doing more harm than good because there are only 2 options, she is cheating or she is the worst poker player ever.

crazy hand

garrett got super flustered afterwards

everything is off on that hand
she gave the money back afterwards wtf?


if i was cheating there and tried mini raising to steal brick river somehow and then garrett owns me by shoving it in id be like fuck if i call here will be the most suspect call ever aside from almost a flip anyways

i lean on dumb & innocent

but very weird situation

Her reasoning was damning. And giving the money back? Polk did a good job covering that part. And just.. the hand.. wtf

How do you guys think the cheat went down? Tiny camera's somewhere scoping in on peoples cards? Man... if I was playing at that table, I'd ask for curtains to be drawn in close to our backs. Well. And refusing to play until she left.

As an aside - trying to make herself a victim to deflect.. man, these times we live in. fml

If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position?

I'm strongly leaning bad player. A home game I've been playing in occasionally the past few years has included two totally new girls. I could picture both of them playing this hand the exact same way. While if I were playing this and cheating, I would absolutely avoid putting myself in a spot where I have to do an underdog flip for my entire stack. Doing that while cheating is dumber than playing this hand legit.

On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position?

Great friggin question really. They discussed it in the video that (again, all hypothetical) it's likely the 'cheat mechanism' only gave win vs loss (go vs no) instead of detailing wtf to do... and clearly in this total fuckaroo of a hand, it wasn't the best device.

Anyways. All hearsay. But I think she was cheating. I still wanna know how they knew what he had tho...

On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position? I'm strongly leaning bad player. A home game I've been playing in occasionally the past few years has included two totally new girls. I could picture both of them playing this hand the exact same way. While if I were playing this and cheating, I would absolutely avoid putting myself in a spot where I have to do an underdog flip for my entire stack. Doing that while cheating is dumber than playing this hand legit.

Because if she was cheating the likely method is telling her if she is winning either at the time or at showdown, if so mini-raising to get him off the hand is ok and she gets shoved and your cheat says you are ahead you call, getting him to fold on the turn would be way less sus than J4o calldown obv.

Either way cheating or not she is obv a very bad player.

On October 02 2022 18:46 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position? Great friggin question really. They discussed it in the video that (again, all hypothetical) it's likely the 'cheat mechanism' only gave win vs loss (go vs no) instead of detailing wtf to do... and clearly in this total fuckaroo of a hand, it wasn't the best device. Anyways. All hearsay. But I think she was cheating. I still wanna know how they knew what he had tho...

the cards have an RFID chip for the stream, the way to cheat would be to gain acces to this information real time and just signaling to her not the exact cards since that requires either a screen or a complex system, just simply signaling if she is going to win at showdon or not, this cheating method has been done in big private games in LA.




BTW, Galfond weighted in saying most likely innocent and Dwan quoted him saying he believes she is indeed cheating lol, Dwans view weight heavily since few people have as much experience as him in live home games with a lot of cheating.

On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position? I'm strongly leaning bad player.

I think she's both a terrible player as well as a cheater, I really don't think it has to be one or the other. Doug Polk's video explains it well in terms of encountering fish/cheaters with minraises but in the end I don't think we need to explain it. Calling off 100k more with J high is the problem. It isn't a soul read, It's completely nonsensical and doesn't come down to some sort of fish spaz call.

also she challenged him to HU on twitter, pretty funny

looking at her face I lean heavily towards "too dumb to know how to cheat", I don't think anyone would trust someone like her to cheat successfully. bad player getting lucky is more probable.

Maybe she's both dumb and a cheater. It's like when some esports gamer runs full aimbot or wallhack the entire round. They either DGAF or they're too stupid to understand how obvious it looks to their opponent. If she's cheating she probably just figures she'll look awesome for the hero call. I'm thinking some sort of exploit into the livestream an outside party has learned that may not provide consistent results hence her 'toggle hax' style of play.

oh wow, the staker and presumed accomplice (guy in the cowboys hat) just when the hand is over says "its almost like a spiritual guide was in your ear telling you to call".

These assholes are guilty

big brain discussion on her

WOW, guy who has access to the live stream steals 15k from Robbi's stack when she's afk. She doesnt press charges.

I have been following this story since it started. Love me some drama.

I just finished watching the Day 6 love stream. Joey had a bunch of guests on, including Deeb, Dwan, Bob, and Ronni herself.

Also, I'm still on vacation in the Philippines for the next few days, which is why I haven't posted about the drama on the main page.

Fuuuuck.... everytime I read and listen to poker players' takes, I think she didn't cheat. Then when I go and rewatch the hand on Youtube, I just have to believe what my eyes see and say it is cheating. She is a winning player in the game and made day 4 of the WSOP main event. I totally believe it is possible to donk off with J high here if you are rich as fuck and don't know shit about how to play poker, but she knows how to play poker.

The only thing that makes sense is the long term EV of the call if she is right that Garrett has two undercards to the TT9 board. She gets to be a superstar for a while, and maybe she thought that making as wild of a call and potentially looking like and idiot was worth it. She has no ability to feel shame over losing money, so why not give it a shot?

On October 03 2022 00:48 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2022 10:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: If she was cheating why not just call it down, why minraise from a losing position? I'm strongly leaning bad player. A home game I've been playing in occasionally the past few years has included two totally new girls. I could picture both of them playing this hand the exact same way. While if I were playing this and cheating, I would absolutely avoid putting myself in a spot where I have to do an underdog flip for my entire stack. Doing that while cheating is dumber than playing this hand legit. Because if she was cheating the likely method is telling her if she is winning either at the time or at showdown, if so mini-raising to get him off the hand is ok and she gets shoved and your cheat says you are ahead you call, getting him to fold on the turn would be way less sus than J4o calldown obv. Either way cheating or not she is obv a very bad player.

Even then (she has a ring that vibrates if she's ahead or whatever), she's not ahead on the turn - she's 47 to 53. With money in the pot it's still a 'correct call', I guess..

Although ok - this is something I didn't think about before - but I guess she's actually only ahead because the odds calculator they're using for the show know which cards have been folded, and without knowledge of folded cards, her jack is indeed the favorite. That type of explanation makes cheat more likely. It's still just such a dumb way to cheat though - if you actually have a way of reliably cheating, use it to reliably bluff some showdowns and make sure the big pots go your way - don't use it to make a super suspicious hero call that also happens to have a near 50% shot at taking your entire stack. Of course, people with superuser accounts have also been dumb enough to make 500 correct actions in a row, but without having seen this episode, how was her play otherwise?

On October 07 2022 09:00 Big_Rob_isback wrote: Fuuuuck.... everytime I read and listen to poker players' takes, I think she didn't cheat. Then when I go and rewatch the hand on Youtube, I just have to believe what my eyes see and say it is cheating. She is a winning player in the game and made day 4 of the WSOP main event. I totally believe it is possible to donk off with J high here if you are rich as fuck and don't know shit about how to play poker, but she knows how to play poker. The only thing that makes sense is the long term EV of the call if she is right that Garrett has two undercards to the TT9 board. She gets to be a superstar for a while, and maybe she thought that making as wild of a call and potentially looking like and idiot was worth it. She has no ability to feel shame over losing money, so why not give it a shot?

Saw this on reddit, she clearly did not make a genius call. So the two other option are cheating, or bad(possibly both). I personally didn't think she cheated, I think the superstar feeling call theory is right, I see people do that a bit, less for the I might look like idiot bad tho. If she however is a acceptable/good player (I don't know who she is) then it is much more likely cheating.

I think she paid it back which is weird I think, but that doesn't really prove anything.

On October 07 2022 13:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: if you actually have a way of reliably cheating, use it to reliably bluff some showdowns and make sure the big pots go your way - don't use it to make a super suspicious hero call

emphasis on "reliably". Maybe her cheat isnt reliable. In fact maybe it's an exploit. Maybe there's some bug in the livestream. Maybe someone found a way to backdoor into it once every 100 hands. Maybe her long range RFID scanner wasnt working properly and it finally kicked on in this particular spot. Everyone assumes that a cheater is just pure superusing with an accomplice feeding them information like we have as observers. It could be much more narrow than that though, hence her taking crazy spots like this because "welp, it's either now or never".

In fact maybe her cheat is much more basic, not electronic at all. Maybe her accomplice simply uses a hand signal, places a drink a certain way, scratches his balls when she's ahead or not. It could be quite rudimentary which is why she's not able to execute perfect plays very often.

On October 07 2022 09:00 Big_Rob_isback wrote:She is a winning player in the game........she knows how to play poker.

Does she though? Her first excuse as soon as the cards are turned over is "i thought you had ace high".

- Calls it off with J4 for $100k, can't coherently explain why
- Quickly returns the money when confronted
- An inside member of HCL production team with a lengthy criminal record is confirmed to take 10% of her winnings from her stack (not one of the other 8 players)
- Robbi does not report the $15k missing at Hustler, despite extreme scrutiny on her stack and play that evening -- and a live staking arrangement
- HCL thief with criminal record has a desk directly behind real time hole card graphics computer in the office, with a filing cabinet blocking surveillance line of sight
- Robbi and HCL thief follow each other on social media
- HCL thief is the one to mic Robbi up the night of
- Robbi declines to press charges against HCL thief despite having an extremely litigious husband
- Robbi is inconsistent about reasoning for "the call", switching between stories
- Robbi confirmed staked in the game despite claiming that these sums of money are absolutely nothing to her

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...cheating-hustler-casino-live-1813491/

Garrett thread with his evidences

Everyone keeps saying stuff like "why would she choose this situation when she can cheat safely and get her money in good"

... because she isnt doing it for the money, hence giving the money back np. She wants fame. She wants to be the chick who pwned someone with the best call ever, in the highest stakes on tv. Unfortunately for her she's too dumb to know if what she's doing and went with a spot that gave it away.

She's an instagram slut with botox whos initial response to Garrett was to say "owned". Lol

On October 08 2022 07:37 Baalim wrote: LOLOL She is a narcisitic psychopath. 95% guilty to me now fwiw.

Pretty conservative estimate imo.

Mike Postle was cheating and it was obvious looking at his behavior and mannerisms in hindsight. This hand not so much. I am willing to believe that since she's a woman I am subconsciously inclined to believe/sympathize with her though.

The idea that she's smart enough to never call with J high there but also dumb enough to be unaware "calling would make it obvious she was cheating" is ridiculous. Which is what Garett claims.

Giving back the money is fucking weird. But scammers don't usually say "lol just a prank sorry bro" and give money back. They double down and start asking "what's your proof?" Giving back the money is the ultimate sign of guilt.... she just gives herself and her scam up at the first sign of suspicion? What did Postle do when he was accused? Dude went on the offensive and denied like a mofo. As scammers/cheaters do. As far as the kid who took the 15k... if she is the type to give away +100k she earned rightfully then she is unlikely to press charges over 15k. Big and unusual "if" though.

Burden of proof is on accuser. Don't think it's been demonstrated that she's a cheater. A weird fucking chick sure (who would give that money back?) IMO only

Edit: Pretty obvious I don’t know S about the situation so... just ignore post/treat as speculation.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ler-casino-live-1813491/#post57848911

LOOOL

I'm back home now.

Can't wait for more info to get leaked.

It was obvious to me she was guilty when she couldn't explain it. Not only that but she easily gave back the money, which is hilariously absurd. She is dumb, and a cheater. She has the toughness to call down this much money but collapses when garret wants his money back? That makes literally no sense. None of it made sense. People are so fucking naive. At least Garrett isn't.

This reminds me of when zest was obviously cheating and then like half of TL somehow couldn't see the most obvious thing in the world.

Like sure, anything is possible. Maybe it's just a series of meaningless random events right? I'd go with 99% likely it was cheating.

After analyzing her tweeted screenshots people noticed the HCL thief shares the same grammar tics in her previous posts. Frequent use of " ... " and "wouldn't not". She clearly faked the screenshots. 100% guilt now.

On October 09 2022 01:00 vasoline73 wrote:The idea that she's smart enough to never call with J high there but also dumb enough to be unaware "calling would make it obvious she was cheating" is ridiculous.......

Postle was an actual poker player too and yet he just full blown superuse'd every session. I think sometimes people just cant help themselves and are overcome with greed. She has a spot to double up her backer, maybe she gets to keep 90% of the profits and she's hard up for cash so she cant pass on 100k. Or she just wants to impress her backer so he continues putting her in these games or even bigger ones. Maybe she thinks she'll get invited to PAD or whatever else is out there after demonstrating her elite soul reads. In the heat of the moment, being a dumbass bitch, I think there's plenty of reasons why someone would cheat in plain sight and be cocky enough to think they can get away with it.

What did Postle do when he was accused? Dude went on the offensive and denied like a mofo.

Thats exactly what she's doing now. Postle was not caught red handed. Who knows how he would have handled things if someone pulled his ass to the rail and confronted him. He had the time to sleep on it and mount his rebuttal, robbi did not.

Haralabob and Robbi are on the show. Still early in the show, so no idea who else will join.

Edit: Things got spicy when Robbi and Julie Yorn were on this episode together...

lol ez game

Watching her and Dwan talk now. I was on team "she's innocent" but damn she unlikeable in this interview. She seems all over the place/crazy. Not saying she's guilty because of it but man...........

There is psychology behind never submitting to interrogations without lawyer present, even when innocent. Even without significant duress innocent people have confessed to crimes they haven't committed. Innocent people are often caught in inconsistencies. Psychological response is often irrational. Especially under stress, lack of sleep, facing novelty, etc. An innocent person's initial desire to be open is not at all perceived by those looking for guilt. An innocent person's flawed character will be utilized as evidence even if it's not applicable. There is a reason we assume innocence until proven guilty. Psychologically it's easy to assume guilt.

Robbi is intensely unlikeable in that interview lol. If she's innocent and giving interviews to "prove that she's innocent" she's naïve. Again, she could be guilty. Dunno.

On October 15 2022 09:51 vasoline73 wrote: There is psychology behind never submitting to interrogations without lawyer present, even when innocent. Even without significant duress innocent people have confessed to crimes they haven't committed. Innocent people are often caught in inconsistencies. Psychological response is often irrational. Especially under stress, lack of sleep, facing novelty, etc. An innocent person's initial desire to be open is not at all perceived by those looking for guilt. An innocent person's flawed character will be utilized as evidence even if it's not applicable. There is a reason we assume innocence until proven guilty. Psychologically it's easy to assume guilt. Robbi is intensely unlikeable in that interview lol. If she's innocent and giving interviews to "prove that she's innocent" she's naïve. Again, she could be guilty. Dunno.

Yep.

She never directly answers a question. Every time she responds to a question, she first says a bunch of shit like she's a politician, then rarely ever responds to the original question.

i've enjoyed following this but will draw the line at having to hear her speak on a podcast. I kill enough of my braincells as it is.

Seems very guilty to me. A bad poker player playing in a huge cash game, being affiliated with a lot of sketchy people around, and then playing that hand and winning not understanding how fucking crazy and obvious it will look. I don't think it's either dumb or cheating, it's both.

I think he controlled himself well considering everything.

Idk, it's been this long and we haven't heard any progress on cheating evidence. Also, she has been open to the public a lot.

there was evidence. it was posted. just have to use common sense to figure it out

obv it wont hold up in the court of law