covid vaccine

how many took it and how many havent?

I asked them to inject the shot into my urethra

Why won't you take it?

you can't have much of a useful discussion about this

no, i don't intend to take it. there's like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol. most of the "good reasons" to take the vaccine are essentially ignorant bullying.

will I likely have to make gigantic sacrifices to my freedom in the near future? probably. maybe they'll kill me. or maybe I'll just go in the camp for a while first.

most people have no idea what is going on they are too retarded and brainwashed



they also aren't even vaccines btw. why are we still calling them that? they don't use viral matter and they don't confer any sort of immunity.

"like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol"

list 3 good reasons

On September 29 2021 19:54 asdf2000 wrote: you can't have much of a useful discussion about this no, i don't intend to take it. there's like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol. most of the "good reasons" to take the vaccine are essentially ignorant bullying. will I likely have to make gigantic sacrifices to my freedom in the near future? probably. maybe they'll kill me. or maybe I'll just go in the camp for a while first. most people have no idea what is going on they are too retarded and brainwashed they also aren't even vaccines btw. why are we still calling them that? they don't use viral matter and they don't confer any sort of immunity.

I'm yet to hear a 'good reason' of why the vaccine is a bad decision and I've had this talk a lot, up to the point where I've changed people's minds to go and get it.

Doesn't matter what you call them, plus there are plenty of vaccines that don't cause permanent immunity. The statistical data clearly shows they make a huge difference, anything else is useless to the conversation.

Also doubt you'll get any more restrictions compared to what we have now for non-vaccinated people unless in a year the people that refuse to take the vaccine help create an even deadlier mutation that leaves governments no choice.

And don't get me wrong, I'm completely fine with people that refuse to take it, it's a personal choice and the vaccine does come with risks, even if they are quite insignificant and if you have to live by them you'd probably be living a life full of fear of whether someone might stab you while on a walk or a car might hit you while passing through the street.

I don't understand that massive bans across all countries of medical workers that refuse to take it though. They essentially fuck a lot of medical staff that CANNOT take it, which is pretty fucking stupid.

Anyway please, as RikD said - do list 3 good reasons of why you shouldn't take it

On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons

1.)standing up for bodily autonomy
2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business
3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?)
3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck.
3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite.
3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries
3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people.
3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up
3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed
3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world

this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments

On September 30 2021 01:55 lostaccount wrote: Haha I totally agree with u asdf, the mass is blind to thinking our government is doing this for public health in reality it’s for total population control

or corporate donor profit like anything else...

On September 30 2021 01:22 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons 1.)standing up for bodily autonomy 2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business 3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?) 3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck. 3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite. 3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries 3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people. 3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed 3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments

I won't nit pick then.

I am curious what the better treatments are though?

From your posts I gather that you are a physically healthy 30 something. I don't hate you for not getting vaccinated.

I am almost 40 and not physically healthy and live with my parents who are pushing 70 and have health issues. 'Tis it not a no brainer for me to get vaccinated? For my parents to get vaccinated?

Apart from all this sovereignty stuff...

From a scientific perspective why is it -ev?

I know lostaccount is mostly a next level troll account but that question is open to anyone.

On September 29 2021 21:01 Spitfiree wrote:[/B The statistical data clearly shows they make a huge difference, anything else is useless to the conversation.

No it doesn't - you can't prove a definitive link because studies have been so underpowered, which is one of the problems when you want to make people trust it. And you can even make the case that vaccines make the situation worse, as has been seen in many countries with no covid pandemic (no natural immunity) prior to the vaccination period - but I won't argue that, since correlation is no causation. But that works both ways.

On September 30 2021 02:46 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2021 01:22 asdf2000 wrote:   On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons 1.)standing up for bodily autonomy 2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business 3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?) 3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck. 3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite. 3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries 3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people. 3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed 3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments I won't nit pick then. I am curious what the better treatments are though?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?507035-1/medical-response-covid-19

Start at 28 minutes.

Or if obvious sincere emotion doesn't move you, here are actual studies and research:
https://ivmmeta.com/#top



ivermectin as a treatment has been ridiculed by the media and by various health organizations and political bodies, it's a disgusting conspiracy because they know exactly what they are doing - they are costing lives so as to maximize the effectiveness of this campaign they are waging

honestly it's completely ridiculous people believe these shitheads about anything at this point

Norway has just reopened as a consequence of us having really high vaccination numbers, and because everyone in risk groups are vaccinated, hardly anyone is getting really sick anymore - even though infection numbers are still reasonably high, hospitalization and deaths are really low.

I notice a really strong correlation between vaccination rates and death/hospitalization rate per infection when looking at different countries. This to me is very strong evidence that the vaccines work - even if their duration is significantly shorter than what granted by MMR vaccines, they're more similar to flu shots.

I'm double vaccinated, one pfizer and one moderna, and I'll take booster shots whenever that is recommended. I don't understand the hesitation one bit, and genuinely think that people who are hesitant to vaccinate are generally untrustworthy because the sources that convinced them not to vaccinate have virtually always also convinced them of other stuff that is quite frankly, ridiculously wrong.

Like when you wrote '3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries', that's just flat out wrong. Norway is one of the most vaccinated countries, and our death rate is now really low, and it has been ever since the vulnerable groups were vaccinated.

Before May 2021 (this is around where all the vulnerable groups were vaccinated), we had 110k cases and 750 deaths. Since May 2021, we've had another 80k cases, but only 100 deaths. This is not due to a different testing regime. It's because the vaccines make people become much, much less sick than they used to get.

While there might be reasons why vaccinating, for an individual, is kind of a wash (not in a risk group, being somewhat of a recluse anyway), I'm really happy to live in a country with high vaccination rates, and I'd much rather contribute to that than leech off that.

Yes, I entirely reject the possibility that the Norwegian government is involved in some grand conspiracy to hide the 'real covid numbers to justify oppressing the population and making the vaccine seem better' or whatever the fuck you're arguing. They literally just reopened society last weekend (no more restrictions - meaning that the 'wanting to control or oppress the population' angle is really stupid), and cite high vaccination rates as part of the reason for the reopening being possible and responsible.

Why would a government wanting to control its population or move towards tyranny be championing politics that remove their justification for having more control measures? (Vaccination is that policy - the control measures were removed because the vaccination program has been a big success.)

On September 30 2021 01:22 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons 1.)standing up for bodily autonomy 2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business 3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?) 3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck. 3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite. 3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries 3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people. 3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed 3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments

Let me go point by point

Point 1 to 3 - and that's true, it also doesn't in any way imply the vaccine isn't working. This is an emotional response to a political topic and has nothing to do with the decision on whether or not to get vaccinated. Nobody is forcing you to get vaccinated, however it makes perfect sense to protect people that could not get vaccinated from people that refuse to do so, as well as box-in the spread of the virus, hence it makes perfect sense for the majority of measures taken by virtually every country

3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck.

Purely false, there is enough information from official sources, from sources that tested the official sources, it's a matter of searching and educating yourself

3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite.

It does prevent transmission in 98% in cases for Pfeizer, different vaccines have different percentage of effectiveness and it also matters on how long ago you took it. There is literally zero evidence that points to the opposite, again this is purely misinformed opinion

3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries

What are you talking about? All data points to the opposite. Vaccinated to unvaccinated deaths are in a 1 to 15-18 ratio literally all data from all sources point to that unless you get your news from Alex Jones

3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people.

I can speak to Biontech in specifically here - they are literally one of the most advanced and clean companies in the world. I don't know about the rest, nor do I care as I wouldn't take anything other than Pfeizer. Either way this is an emotional response as every huge corporation has had fallouts at some point in their history, that doesn't mean their current state is the same. It doesn't relate to the vaccine's efficiency in any way

3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up [/quote That's pretty much the only point I'm agreeing and this was initially started due to the legal mess it would've caused since Covid vaccines were going for mass adoption and new side effects were bound to be found, even the slightest ones would've caused a landslide of lawsuits. It makes sense that companies were initially protected, it no longer makes sense however and they should now be held liable for anything outside the found side-effects. [quote] 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed

Please name one. Also vaccine is a prevention measure, not a treatment measure. The whole idea is to PREVENT the virus and not allow it to continue its mutations and destroy every healthcare system in the world. This is a really ignorant and silly argument

3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world

Apart from the Moderna contaminated vaccines, which wasn't caused by Moderna but by a 3rd party company what else are you referring to? It sucks, but this happens with literally anything. I understand the fear of happening to a vaccine that could potentially cause life-altering results, but from the 3+ billion doses that were taken worldwide so far only 3800 were contaminated, do you understand how insignificant that is?


So overall you managed to give me about half a reason so far

We all know the government really wants to keep around the sheep that will do what they say and get rid of the genius free thinkers like asdf and lostaccount. If the vaccine doesn't help against covid like asdf said then it must be for some other virus that they are going to release later to kill off the last of the free-thinkers and spare us compliant sheep. RIP lostaccount and asdf, it's not too late to become a sheep like the rest of us

I stole this from a Bill Burr interview with conan

If you had actually done any research about the evil corporations that want to kill you and harvest your organs you'd know who created Biontech and who the people behind it are

Or you'd also know that Jennifer Doudna who helped develop RNA technology (CRISPR) left a pharma company with fat paychecks cause she didn't believe in their line of work just a few months after she went there.

I stole this from a Bill Burr interview with conan

I've been thinking the same thing since the antimaskers started raging. The sad part is a good portion of those people will die to their stupidity. But the 'cant help you if you won't even help yourself' saying plays at full power here.

Vaccines don't prevent getting the virus or transmitting the virus. All over the television are commercials that still say "get the vaccine to protect everyone, not just yourself". Well that is a lie.

The only thing vaccines do is make you get less sick, which is why I got it.

Btw, I got a 102.5 temperature fever for 48 hours after my Pfizer second shot. Now they are already giving 3rd shots. I don't think it is a good idea for me to get a 3rd booster shot for awhile, and if any doctor could recommend me to get one they would be lying because no one knows how it would effect me.

The vaccines don't entirely stop getting or transmitting covid, but being vaccinated and infected greatly reduces the amount of viral matter transmitted compared to just being infected. If everyone is vaccinated then it doesn't spread enough to propagate, if 50% are vaccinated then it still spreads but the vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die.

Look at these charts for the UK.





The first is the new cases. Second is deaths.
For the spike in January-February, the population was not vaccinated. For the spike in July-August, the population was mostly vaccinated. The first results in huge numbers of dead people, while the latter isn't nearly as bad. (Since March, 3.5 million infected, only 10k dead. Before March, 4.1 million infected, 120k dead. )

I live in a country where Covid - the disease - has hardly been a big deal at all. Our total dead is still a 3 digit number, and virtually no deaths among those younger than 40. However, this has been accomplished through us having socially distanced and worn masks and having home office and no larger gatherings for 18 months. Now, the past months, because our population has willingly vaccinated, we've been gradually opening more and more, and as of one week ago, we basically have no remaining restrictions, and life is back to normal. If we had American rates of vaccinating, we'd have to choose between continued restrictions, or a lot more sick and dead people. This is our most efficient way of combating it, but it does require that even people who themselves are unlikely to become really sick join in.

On September 30 2021 09:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: Like when you wrote '3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries', that's just flat out wrong. Norway is one of the most vaccinated countries, and our death rate is now really low, and it has been ever since the vulnerable groups were vaccinated. Before May 2021 (this is around where all the vulnerable groups were vaccinated), we had 110k cases and 750 deaths. Since May 2021, we've had another 80k cases, but only 100 deaths. This is not due to a different testing regime. It's because the vaccines make people become much, much less sick than they used to get.

even assuming they don't play games with and manipulate numbers (which they do, at least in the U.S.), you are ignoring a bunch of stuff
the pandemic started in march of 2020 for most countries. You are comparing a 5 month period against a 14 month period, for some reason. Not only that, but you are comparing the summer against every season including winter.

Why don't you compare september this year against september last year for infections and death and then get back to me?

While there might be reasons why vaccinating, for an individual, is kind of a wash (not in a risk group, being somewhat of a recluse anyway), I'm really happy to live in a country with high vaccination rates, and I'd much rather contribute to that than leech off that.

What do you mean by "leech of that"? Leech off what? It sounds like you don't have basic understandings of how these treatments work.

What are you guys talking about the vaccine doesn't prevent getting Covid. You're literally extremely protected from getting it, yes it's not 100% and yes that immunity falls off with time, but do you really believe that shit?

got to spitfiree's post and realized I don't have time for this

I wonder how you guys will justify it when they start sending people to camps

On September 30 2021 21:20 asdf2000 wrote: got to spitfiree's post and realized I don't have time for this I wonder how you guys will justify it when they start sending people to camps

I got the vaccine when I was eligible and was happy to do it cause it meant being able to do stuff.

But I am having second thoughts since Spitfiree is famous for being "always wrong" which is why we all call him that on this forum.

Actually, nevermind, enjoy the conspiracy theory chase

On September 30 2021 09:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: Norway has just reopened as a consequence of us having really high vaccination numbers, and because everyone in risk groups are vaccinated, hardly anyone is getting really sick anymore - even though infection numbers are still reasonably high, hospitalization and deaths are really low. I notice a really strong correlation between vaccination rates and death/hospitalization rate per infection when looking at different countries. This to me is very strong evidence that the vaccines work - even if their duration is significantly shorter than what granted by MMR vaccines, they're more similar to flu shots. I'm double vaccinated, one pfizer and one moderna, and I'll take booster shots whenever that is recommended. I don't understand the hesitation one bit, and genuinely think that people who are hesitant to vaccinate are generally untrustworthy because the sources that convinced them not to vaccinate have virtually always also convinced them of other stuff that is quite frankly, ridiculously wrong.

Pretty much this

On September 30 2021 21:03 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2021 09:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: Like when you wrote '3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries', that's just flat out wrong. Norway is one of the most vaccinated countries, and our death rate is now really low, and it has been ever since the vulnerable groups were vaccinated. Before May 2021 (this is around where all the vulnerable groups were vaccinated), we had 110k cases and 750 deaths. Since May 2021, we've had another 80k cases, but only 100 deaths. This is not due to a different testing regime. It's because the vaccines make people become much, much less sick than they used to get. even assuming they don't play games with and manipulate numbers (which they do, at least in the U.S.), you are ignoring a bunch of stuff the pandemic started in march of 2020 for most countries. You are comparing a 5 month period against a 14 month period, for some reason. Not only that, but you are comparing the summer against every season including winter. Why don't you compare september this year against september last year for infections and death and then get back to me?

Firstly, Norway isn't manipulating numbers. We have a very transparent society, every death is searchable. There's just absolutely no way there's any type of concentrated effort to manipulate numbers. (Obviously, I can't say that no individual has mistakenly reported a covid death as not-covid or vice versa, but I can with 100% confidence state that the numbers are very close to the real ones. I know a lot of health care workers and I work at a high school specializing on educating health care workers.)

I chose May because that is when vulnerable groups were vaccinated. Obviously if I am going to look at vaccine effect, that is the relevant time period. The date is not even relevant (I mentioned it so it would be possible for you to look it up yourself) - the number of infected and dead pre and post-vaccination is what is relevant when trying to determine vaccine efficiency. And then, roughly speaking (I mean, the vaccine rollout wasn't instantaneous, but the most important was always vaccinating the elderly and vulnerable, and they were all covered in May), we're looking at 110k infected leading to 750 dead before vaccines, and 80k infected leading to 110 dead after. The difference is massive.

Looking at September 2020 and comparing it with September 2021 doesn't really make sense for Norway, because in September 2020, there was very little Covid in Norway (it was pre-Delta, thus significantly less infectious, and we lived with more restrictions) while September 2021 has almost no restrictions. Consequently, September 2020 had very few infected, while 2021 has had plenty. However, if we do the math for just those two months, then September 2020 still looks much worse from a dead per infected count. September 2020 had a daily number of ~100 infected per day, about 3000 total. Dead for the same time period, 10. September 2021 (very few restrictions/none the final week) has seen 28k infected, 40 deaths.

More suitable for comparison might be to September 2021 (28k infected) with November+December 2020 (about 30k infected). For the latter period, we saw 150 dead. Basically, our population being vaccinated has made our CFR drop by like 75%+. It doesn't stop infections, but it makes covid far less dangerous. Vaccinating makes it go from 'highly infectious and unpredictable disease that is really dangerous for older people and people with comorbidities and that also fucks up (even if it's not deadly) quite a number (even if the percentage is low) of healthy young adults, too', to being 'mild flu'-ish.

A country like New Zealand can get by without vaccinating, because they're a self-sufficient island with a compliant population, willing to go to fairly extreme, concentrated measures to eradicate Covid whenever they've found it. Other countries, more reliant on travel, can't contain it. Then, vaccinating is the only way to have a) a society without many restrictions and b) not a lot of people dying. Not vaccinating only contributes further to government restricting more.

On September 30 2021 21:03 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2021 09:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: While there might be reasons why vaccinating, for an individual, is kind of a wash (not in a risk group, being somewhat of a recluse anyway), I'm really happy to live in a country with high vaccination rates, and I'd much rather contribute to that than leech off that. What do you mean by "leech of that"? Leech off what? It sounds like you don't have basic understandings of how these treatments work.

I mean that for the Norwegians I know who haven't vaccinated, their argument hasn't been 'the vaccine doesn't work' or 'the vaccine is dangerous', their argument has been 'so many other people are vaccinating that herd immunity is achieved without me vaccinating, so I don't have to'. I mean, the other two groups do exist, but the people I know myself have chosen not to vaccinate because they figure they've benefited through other people vaccinating, so they don't have to. That's as leechy of a behavior as you can get in a society.

I can't believe what I'm reading and had to stop, I'm just glad I got to read a sane post before skipping the rest (thx eri)

I'm not even going to bother arguing, what the FUCK is wrong with you people.

Thanos was right - except the line should have been anti-vaxxers rather than a blind 50%.

got my vaccine shot a couple weeks ago, New Zealand was quite slow on this. I guess I'm one of the 'sheeple', that isn't brave enough to stand up to 'tyranny'.

On September 30 2021 22:15 Spitfiree wrote: Actually, nevermind, enjoy the conspiracy theory chase

This is the theme song of the 21st century:

I personally don't have a strong opinion on this issue.

I think if you are an antivaxxer it makes sense to have a stronger opinion (getting angry with forced vaccinations) on this than if you are a vaxxer (getting angry at non vaxxer).

From the point of view of a vaxxer I just don't see a big reason to get worked up like a girl about non vaxxers. Fighting and hunting down communists should be everyone's #1 priority anyway.

On September 30 2021 23:35 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2021 22:15 Spitfiree wrote: Actually, nevermind, enjoy the conspiracy theory chase This is the theme song of the 21st century:

This is so good

On September 30 2021 01:22 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons 1.)standing up for bodily autonomy 2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business 3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?) 3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck. 3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite. 3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries 3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people. 3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed 3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments

It's funny how my sister is saying pretty much the same thing verbatim and she's anti vax as well in addition to being non college educated and a complete moron. Some coincidence you must get your data from the same source LOL.

I have not taken my vaccination and probably will not (i'm mid 30, healthy and no illnesses) below some thoughts i have:

1) Im not against vaccination and i believe the risk group should definitely take it
2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries).
3) How my country/politics (Switzerland) has dealt witht he situation is rather embarassing.
4) i miss personal responsiblity and i'm asking myself how much the govt. should generally interfere. what could be next after the covid certificate ? food-certificate ? travel-cefitivate ?
5) Also i dont understand why you need the young & healthy population vaccinated - wouldnt it be enough to have the risk group highly vaccinated ?

The young & healthy guys that got vaccinated, was it mainly for an altruistic reason? To almost everyone i talk to my age who got vaccinated it was to get the "normal" life back or because of pressure from work.

Interested to hear your thoughts.

On September 30 2021 01:22 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons 1.)standing up for bodily autonomy 2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business 3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?) 3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck. 3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite. 3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries 3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people. 3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed 3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments

1) you can opposite compulsory vaccination and gettting vaccinated.
2) you can opposite compulsory vaccination and gettting vaccinated.
3) you can opposite compulsory vaccination and gettting vaccinated.
3) It didnt skip proper testing, in fact Moderna vaccine was ready since March 2020, also you realize most COVID vaccines are in fact regular old tech like the J&J right?
3) It reduces transmission, less viral load, less R naught... you really think its the opposite, vaccine increases tranmission you dumbass?
3) Wrong mortality is dropping massively in vaccinated countries, I'd post the source but as usual with retarded dicussion not worth the 2 clicks.
3) Mega-corps who produce thousands of drugs have a record that some of their products have caused harm? oh noes.
3) The liability waving it was to speed up distribution, given the millions of deths it was worth to take the risk... quit poker if you don't understand risk/reward scenarios.
3) Oh yeah Invermectin.... also honey cures cancer, every oncologist in the world supresses this info because they want pfizer to make more money selling chemotheraphy IVs lol.
3) Contaminants in labs are being found people... disregard the accute respiratory virus that has killed millions... you might in fact be the one in 10 million that got a dose from a dirty vial in Pakistan.

On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). .

Mexican doctors prescribe Invermectin, its widely used here... we have the highest COVID mortality rate in the world... stfu.

This thread is embarassing, the ignorance displayed is even worse than on the politics thread.

^ Funny because it's only the enlightened centrists/hard right-wingers/libertarians who have those strong opinions on covid. Tells you something.

On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries).

You clearly have zero contact with any Indians. They are all extremely glad for the vaccines and the fact that things are starting to get normalized there again thanks to it. Every Indian I've worked with has either someone close to them that died or that was on the verge of death to covid.


The real question is how were any of the antivaxxers here winning at poker?

Lol antivaxxers

I don't really give a fuck if you get the shot or not, but personally I like to go max injection and take everything I can. If I die I die. Haven't been sick in 5-10 years so something is going right.

I'll say this, I definitely didn't want to be exhibit A/first in line for vaccination, but i figure after a good 10 million people or so I was probably safe to go.

On October 02 2021 00:03 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). . Mexican doctors prescribe Invermectin, its widely used here... we have the highest COVID mortality rate in the world... stfu.

From what i read Ivermectin alone is not the solution you need a cocktail of drugs. Why you think you have the highest mortality rate in the world ?

On October 02 2021 01:11 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). You clearly have zero contact with any Indians. They are all extremely glad for the vaccines and the fact that things are starting to get normalized there again thanks to it. Every Indian I've worked with has either someone close to them that died or that was on the verge of death to covid. The real question is how were any of the antivaxxers here winning at poker?

Well i do have contacts with Indians so your assumption is wrong.
- this guy analyzes the situation pretty well imo.

Mexico has 3.6 mill confirmed cases and 278k dead - a CFR rate of 8%. (Whereas Norway's CFR is less than 0.5% total, and down to like 0.13% after vaccines became widespread.)

No doubt that number is massively influenced by a lack of testing - but for Mexico's number to match Norway's overall number they'd need to have 64 million cases, for them to match Norway's post-vaccine number, they'd need more confirmed cases than they have inhabitants.

Seems like Molnupiravir, developed by Merck, has some success as a treatment. Still not nearly as efficient as vaccines, though, but seemingly the most promising post-infection treatment.

(I'm not claiming that Norway's CFR is only caused by vaccines. There's a multitude of factors - Norwegians are probably in better shape than people in most other countries, at least there are fewer people with serious comorbidities, health care system is highly functional and was never in danger of being overrun, we largely managed to shield our most vulnerable until they were vaccinated, and we've done a good job with testing. But the drop in CFR post-vaccine, and us being able to reopen without dire consequences, are both very convincing pieces of data pointing towards vaccine efficiency. Add to it that we see the same from pretty much every other country or region with high vaccination rates (infection rates don't necessarily drop much, but deaths and hospitalizations consistently do), and man, there really shouldn't be any doubt.

Only way for an anti-vaxx pov to make logical sense (by anti-vaxx here I mean 'thinks the vaccine is something nefarious aimed at controlling the population', not 'is too dumb and or selfish to take it') is if you've fully bought into an extremely conspiratorial world view where you believe there are forces at play with the power to suppress information at a 1984ish level.

Liquid drone I saw your high score in some random game a little while ago. Was it trackmania or something I can't recall lol.
I think the most important factor is the science behind it, and it seems to work from what I understand. My body my choice has half a point but it's still greedy to risk people you know getting infected. Seems like significantly better odds with vaccine.
COVID seems to damage organs and a lot of people get long term effect from it, so I got my two shots pretty quickly after seeing that it's safe enough and tried to convince people I know to do it without forcing anything of course. Remains their choice but just about everyone I know got them.

Hm I've never played trackmania. If you play Monster Train then maybe that? (I was top 10 on some daily challenge at some point - otherwise prolly an imposter of some kind. )

On October 02 2021 01:05 Loco wrote: ^ Funny because it's only the enlightened centrists/hard right-wingers/libertarians who have those strong opinions on covid. Tells you something.

It tells me that most people's political brain-dead opinions are just another team sport, late 2020 the democrats like Harris were saying they would never take the "Trump vaccine", and had he won the re-election we would be seeing rednecks shooting the 5th reinforcment directly into their eyeballs while democrats citing how unsafe and rushed the vaccine is.

Do you know what is also funny? "anarchists" supporting state mandated vaccination, Tells you something.

On October 02 2021 17:15 sChOuA wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2021 00:03 Baalim wrote:   On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). . Mexican doctors prescribe Invermectin, its widely used here... we have the highest COVID mortality rate in the world... stfu. Why you think you have the highest mortality rate in the world ?

We are one of the countries with the lowest per/capita testing in the world, so massively underreported infections gives you a much higher mortality report.

On October 02 2021 22:28 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2021 01:05 Loco wrote: ^ Funny because it's only the enlightened centrists/hard right-wingers/libertarians who have those strong opinions on covid. Tells you something. Do you know what is also funny? "anarchists" supporting state mandated vaccination, Tells you something.

I support a decent amount of state and corporate activity..i like the state repairing roads for example, and i want pfzier to make vaccines. It's not all bad, but besides the point as any large institution could be used to vaccinate the public. There has been a massive failure in the lack of open sourcing and lack of co-operation between nation states, The US/EU should have been working with Russia and China on this since day one. That's a failure of the state, and its cost a lot of lives.

For an anarchist to be automatically anti-X because X was done by the state would make them very ideological imo.

I know of a lot of conspiracy theorists on the far left, particularly 9/11 truthers. The far right seems to be going deep on promoting the anti vaxx perspective since people like alex jones started becoming very influential though. It has become part of that bubble.

I just bought a plane ticket to Florida to see my folks. I also just saw this ad against the governor



Pretty funny stuff. Imagine thinking statements like "If you try to lock people down I'm going to stand in your way" or "I trust people to make their own decisions" are damning.

On October 02 2021 23:06 Stroggoz wrote: For an anarchist to be automatically anti-X because X was done by the state would make them very ideological imo.

Its not a random "X", compulsory vaccination is a strong authoritarian policy, people who are in the extreme of the libertarian axis supporting it is hypocritical.

But I see the point about ideology, I for example, oppose compulsory vaccination but I dont feel strongly about it since the liberty infingement is small and disease being contagious others are direclty affected, things like drug prohibition are far more restrictive and doesn't have direct colateral damage.

Oh? I didn't realise we were talking about compulsory vaccination, we don't have that here. It's all voluntary but yeah you would get a bit of social ostracism if you don't get vaccinated.

I'm opposed to compulsory vaccination except for certain professions, and kids under a certain age-kids should not die to polio, meningitis or w/e it is because of their parents stupid decisions, but I think people who arn't wearing masks should be refused entry into densely populated areas when covid is a risk. We have a similar policy towards smoking tobacco in populated area's and that's far less deadly than just walking into a bar carrying a deadly pathogen.

I think the most disturbing argument i've seen is the anti-vaxx argument about infringement on their freedom: I just don't get how someone can accept such a twisted definition of freedom: Somehow they don't see walking around with covid isn't a severe attack on everyone else's freedom of having good health.

So i guess i have a pretty similar view as you on this, and I don't see how the anti-vaxxer position is libertarian at all.

i've had pfizer im not dead yet it's been 6months and feel great. haven't heard of anybody i know of dying from it but usually it's some kind of rumor that x and y died etc
im not the least bit left leaning but im glad i took the vaccine but it mostly my wife nagging me about it lol

wow sarah is so sexy so i decided it was wrong of her to severely attack my freedom to fuck her

i'm sorry that's too sarcastic, and it's a completely different situation, you guys are talking about sticking something in someone's body and injecting liquid that can cause significant changes

I'm not a fan of forced vaccinations. I'm a fan of having an educated and cooperative population and a trustworthy and transparent government, so that the population is capable of understanding that the vaccines will on average be beneficial to them and also help shield the most vulnerable, and that the government / public institutions recommending the vaccines isn't (justifiably) distrusted as sinister.

Forced vaccinations might give a short term benefit (more people are now vaccinated), but I can't see how it'll help with the long term goal of building trust in public institutions. (Again, it's not like I want people to blindly trust their government, it obviously has to be warranted, and there aren't many governments in the world I'd be particularly trusting towards.)

How can you oppose forced vaccination yet ridicule anti-vaxxers, label them ignorant dumb uneducated etc.

They aren't exactly the same but its in the same line of thought.

I mean, labeling people as dumb or ignorant isn't the most pedagogically sound approach to convince people. But I don't think that's really viable here anyway. I don't expect lostaccount to be swayed by my opinion either way. I like travis, but I think he's fallen into a hole of false information that I can't dig him out of no matter how hard I try. You actually vaccinated, even though I think you're all those three labels.

Either way, 'social pressure' is a valid mechanism to exert influence over people to help shape their behavior in a way that is better for society. Obviously it can also influence bad behavior - so it's not like social pressure is a default good, but if the cause is good, then I think it's totally fine. Not wanting behavior to be governed by laws doesn't mean I don't want to influence behavior.

You can however, rest assured that when I talk to my high school students about this (I asked them yesterday, like 90% had vaccinated and the rest were all going to do it soon), then my words are weighted a bit more carefully. (I also think 17 year olds are less to blame for their own ignorance and lack of education than what 30 year olds are. )

On October 03 2021 09:42 hiems wrote: How can you oppose forced vaccination yet ridicule anti-vaxxers, label them ignorant dumb uneducated etc. They aren't exactly the same but its in the same line of thought.

This was poorly thought out. Think about it for 5 seconds. If I thought anti-vaxxers were dumb, ignorant, uneducated, why would I care if they die of COVID? I'd rather not give up some of my bodily autonomy to the government just so some dumb people can not die of COVID. That's what forced vaccinations are: we all give up a small part of our bodily autonomy so that the unvaccinated can get some protection from COVID (against their own will).

Tbh I don't subscribe to that - I care about the dumb, ignorant and uneducated and wish they would not die, too. I just think there's a big difference between calling someone stupid for not taking the vaccine (whether I believe that'll contribute to them taking it or not) and actually injecting them with it against their will.

Drone is on the cutting edge of childhood development research

why just the other day he asked and learned 90% of his students had never looked at porn and the rest are going to stop soon

On October 03 2021 11:24 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2021 09:42 hiems wrote: How can you oppose forced vaccination yet ridicule anti-vaxxers, label them ignorant dumb uneducated etc. They aren't exactly the same but its in the same line of thought. This was poorly thought out. Think about it for 5 seconds. If I thought anti-vaxxers were dumb, ignorant, uneducated, why would I care if they die of COVID? I'd rather not give up some of my bodily autonomy to the government just so some dumb people can not die of COVID. That's what forced vaccinations are: we all give up a small part of our bodily autonomy so that the unvaccinated can get some protection from COVID (against their own will).

You are right in that I don't spend much time thinking about this issue its not a big priority for me I think we should mainly be hunting communists.

That being said I don't think your argument holds.

Within the set of all unvaccinated there are willingly unvaccinated and unwillingly unvaccinated (say in underdeveloped countries).

Within the willingly unvaccinated set there are different sets of demographic groups sortable by privilege, education level, age, religious preferences etc.

From what I've seen the contempt for antivaxxers comes not from some desire to save the life of the antivaxxers so much as to prevent spread to less fortunate areas of the world and those antivaxxers deemed "less ignorant" than other antivaxxers.

Ex asdf as a privileged American in his 30s will receive more derision than a poor old jehovahs witness grandma who you guys deem just as ignorant but you can emphasize with her a bit more. Etc etc.

On October 03 2021 12:49 Santafairy wrote: Drone is on the cutting edge of childhood development research why just the other day he asked and learned 90% of his students had never looked at porn and the rest are going to stop soon

It's a class full of future ambulance workers. It would be shocking if any one of them were anti-vaxx. (Pretty certain they wouldn't even be eligible for internships, which they are all looking forward to.)

Also Norwegians aren't prudes, I'm also pretty certain a majority of them would admit to watching porn without any hesitation.

On October 02 2021 21:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: Hm I've never played trackmania. If you play Monster Train then maybe that? (I was top 10 on some daily challenge at some point - otherwise prolly an imposter of some kind. )

Maybe monstertrain, are you a big fan of ccg? Been looking for more people who enjoy ccgs.

Are you also a teacher liquid drone?
Edit: Looks like so, gratz man! Education is key, good to have someone smart up there. What do you teach?

This is pretty simple.


Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine.
Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian.


If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service.

On October 03 2021 17:26 Oddeye wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2021 21:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: Hm I've never played trackmania. If you play Monster Train then maybe that? (I was top 10 on some daily challenge at some point - otherwise prolly an imposter of some kind. ) Maybe monstertrain, are you a big fan of ccg? Been looking for more people who enjoy ccgs. Are you also a teacher liquid drone? Edit: Looks like so, gratz man! Education is key, good to have someone smart up there. What do you teach?

I've played a lot of slay the spire and monster train, no others, but those two I've put quite some hours into. I am indeed a teacher, primary subjects English, sociology and history. (Last two years I've been working in high school, before that I spent a couple years in elementary.) I enjoy it a lot and honestly expect that I'll be doing this until I retire 30 years from now.

On October 03 2021 14:11 Liquid`Drone wrote: [QUOTE]On October 03 2021 12:49 Santafairy wrote: Drone is on the cutting edge of childhood development research Also Norwegians aren't prudes, I'm also pretty certain a majority of them would admit to watching porn without any hesitation.

do you and your wife do stuff where some other dude comes and bangs her

On October 03 2021 12:25 Liquid`Drone wrote: Tbh I don't subscribe to that - I care about the dumb, ignorant and uneducated and wish they would not die, too. I just think there's a big difference between calling someone stupid for not taking the vaccine (whether I believe that'll contribute to them taking it or not) and actually injecting them with it against their will.

I care enough to encourage them to get vaccinated and I will make an honest attempt at it. Usually you can tell within the first 2 minutes of a conversation whether you can reach someone or not. After that it's c'est la vie.

On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service.

100% agreed... how can't professional poker players figure out simple odds?

also businesses should be free to fire employees, free market baby.

so those saying getting the Vaccine is higher EV, where do you draw the line ? you think Children also should get vaccinated and if yes why so ? I'm generally curious.

On October 04 2021 04:46 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service. 100% agreed... how can't professional poker players figure out simple odds? also businesses should be free to fire employees, free market baby.

Lol free market there is no free market in today’s world maybe one day in the future. They had to mandate the vaccine to force people to take it. U think that’s free market?

On October 04 2021 12:57 sChOuA wrote: so those saying getting the Vaccine is higher EV, where do you draw the line ? you think Children also should get vaccinated and if yes why so ? I'm generally curious.

16-17 for sure, 12-15 verdict is less clear but ya probably. Younger than that and there seems to be very little point.

On October 04 2021 14:33 Liquid`Drone wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2021 12:57 sChOuA wrote: so those saying getting the Vaccine is higher EV, where do you draw the line ? you think Children also should get vaccinated and if yes why so ? I'm generally curious. 16-17 for sure, 12-15 verdict is less clear but ya probably. Younger than that and there seems to be very little point.

what kind of study are you refering to that suggest that ?

I saw a research (not peer reviewed) from California that says healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself,
here the link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

My point is the risk of healthy young children / adults to go to hospital because of Corona (not talking about dying) is so low that the vaccination needs to be almost perfect.

You are basically gambling with unknown side effects for a virus w 99%+ survival rate and I'm the idiot somehow lol NO U

You guys just don't listen, must be mind control. I stopped watching all mainstream entertainment a long time ago I kept telling people that when you watch entertainment you are in a suggestible relaxed state. No one will listen to anything except mainstream somehow makes it true.
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On October 04 2021 04:46 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service. 100% agreed... how can't professional poker players figure out simple odds? also businesses should be free to fire employees, free market baby.

This is retarded you are admitting here that you've been coerced into something nice slave morality well done.

On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service.

not true like they said cigarettes was good for u in the beginning, we know how that went

On October 04 2021 16:20 Mortensen8 wrote: You are basically gambling with unknown side effects for a virus w 99%+ survival rate and I'm the idiot somehow lol NO U

gambling with unknown side effects lol, more than 6 billion covid vaccines have been given so far. Not that there aren't side effects and there might even be some super rare ones that we don't fully understand (in italy, 3 out of 85 million doses might have resulted in some rare blood infection!!), but it's not like Covid kills 1% and leaves the other 99% unharmed.. Fairly serious, long term lung damage is sooooooo much more common than side effects beyond a few days of fever.

I mean, as always, your disapproval is actually validating, but the argument is just ridiculous. You're 'gambling' no matter which option you go for, it's just that not vaccinating is gambling with far worse odds.

Brainwashed. Remember all the covid deaths that were actually cancer, heart attacks etc? now think of what they will say if you get a blood clot besides most of it won't be fatal just sickness its what is required for the messiah to come the nations will be sick and plague etc.

Have you even done any research at all? this is a new 'vaccine' its not a vaccine its gene fuckery we know nothing about long term effects of it. And the long covid bullshit is just fatties who eat junk food and sugar all day and have no vitamin D pls go away with that hyped up media bs and that lung damage is from ventilators DO NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL theyll put you on remdesivir and you're fucked.

Just out of curiosity. Worldometer has the dead count at 4.8 million worldwide right now. Can you give a ballpark estimate of what you think the real number is?

Besides, I've never been remotely afraid of dying of covid lol. I'm a 37 year old guy, in good shape, living in a country with excellent health care. However, I thought the likelihood that I'd get sick and get some lung damage inhibiting my ability to cross country ski at full power next winter was 'within the realm of reasonable possibility'. (This has happened to a decent number of younger people that were in better shape than I am.) I also wanted to contribute to reaching good vaccination numbers, and as a teacher, I've been exposed (pupils in my class testing positive and me being quarantined) on 3 different occasions. Vaccination made me a bit sleepy for a day and my left arm hurt a bit, and now, I can hug people, I don't have to quarantine from future exposure, and my country is free of restrictions. Was a great choice, would do again, every time, with no hesitation.

This thread is a bit refreshing tbh, I'm actually used to being accused of not taking covid seriously enough..

On October 04 2021 20:04 Mortensen8 wrote: Have you even done any research at all? this is a new 'vaccine' its not a vaccine its gene fuckery we know nothing about long term effects of it. And the long covid bullshit is just fatties who eat junk food and sugar all day and have no vitamin D pls go away with that hyped up media bs and that lung damage is from ventilators DO NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL theyll put you on remdesivir and you're fucked.

Someone get this guy a Nobel Prize in Medicine for the "research" he has done.

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On October 04 2021 12:57 sChOuA wrote: so those saying getting the Vaccine is higher EV, where do you draw the line ? you think Children also should get vaccinated and if yes why so ? I'm generally curious.

I think lethality is also in the single digits per million in children, so it's about the same risk than the vaccine so no I don't think its important to vaccinate kids, I think they are are way more resistant to contagion, not just symptoms.

This could change if there were other factors at play for example, if the children kept the virus around possibly being hosts for future mutations then vaccionation at a push to erradicate it could be a thing.

On October 04 2021 13:42 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2021 04:46 Baalim wrote:   On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service. 100% agreed... how can't professional poker players figure out simple odds? also businesses should be free to fire employees, free market baby. Lol free market there is no free market in today’s world maybe one day in the future. They had to mandate the vaccine to force people to take it. U think that’s free market?

I didn't make any claim about we living or not in a free market, I also said a few posts above that I dont support the mandates, what I said was that I support that businesses should be able to fire people if they refuse to be vaccinated, free market.

On October 04 2021 19:56 Mortensen8 wrote: Brainwashed. Remember all the covid deaths that were actually cancer, heart attacks etc? now think of what they will say if you get a blood clot besides most of it won't be fatal just sickness its what is required for the messiah to come the nations will be sick and plague etc.

Perhaps in all your reserach you could also go an look up excess deaths, perhaps you think that data is also fake... look outside of the US, but perhaps you think its a world conspiracy lol.

If you are so afraid of the mRNA vaccine you know you can get a J&J vaccine that uses the traditional method right?

It's only Pfeizer and Moderna that have the mRNA vaccine and all the conspiracy theorists cry about HURR DURR MRNA NOT TESTED NEW TECHNOLOGY (which is also incorrect but let them be) yet they wouldn't go for another type of vaccine even though they exist.

I get that you're scared. That is completely understandable, but in your fear at least don't spread misinformation that would end up hurting other people.

On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine.

nobody picked up on this, it's not a logical thought process because it doesn't consider variance

life is not a game and it can be perfectly rational to use a non-GTO strategy

lowering variance at the cost of reduced EV has its own benefits and usually I wouldn't Daut you so I'm willing to accept this is sort of understood as being partly considered in "life EV" if that's some kind of meta-EV

you can ARGUE either way, maybe for children it's not clear and the risk of the virus and vaccine are too similar, you can argue with adults it's all but proven the side effects are miniscule, but that's my point, variance is a necessary part of the calculus not just EV

On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service.

it is de facto forcing if you can't work or eat or go outside without a vaccine

1) is this only for corona? and can you explain why?
2) what happened to right to privacy and can you explain why we're trashing that here
3) can you explain how you can put on a vaccine and take it off again like shoes or a shirt, or is that just masks oh oops

and leading up my main entire idea is there are people who are ACTUALLY medically recommended (by their doctors) to avoid the vaccine because of allergies, or underlying conditions, and the retarded bans and mandates (from gov't or elsewhere) are going to trample these people's perfectly reasonable rights, just like getting your name on the no-fly-list unjustly in the past 20 years

Obviously people who are medically recommended not to get the vaccine (this is a pretty miniscule number, no?) should get some type of exemption from vaccine requirements. But tbh, I think recommendations not to get the vaccine tend to coincide pretty heavily with 'is at serious risk from covid', so those people probably won't want to be out in a non-vaccinated public anyway. That there are people with legitimate medical reasons not to get the vaccine is just more argument for why all the people who don't have those same legitimate medical reasons should get it.

No compromise no vaccine baal all of this is a scam and obvious why do normalfags not see it? must be retarded.
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On October 05 2021 09:47 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. nobody picked up on this, it's not a logical thought process because it doesn't consider variance life is not a game and it can be perfectly rational to use a non-GTO strategy lowering variance at the cost of reduced EV has its own benefits and usually I wouldn't Daut you so I'm willing to accept this is sort of understood as being partly considered in "life EV" if that's some kind of meta-EV you can ARGUE either way, maybe for children it's not clear and the risk of the virus and vaccine are too similar, you can argue with adults it's all but proven the side effects are miniscule, but that's my point, variance is a necessary part of the calculus not just EV   On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service. it is de facto forcing if you can't work or eat or go outside without a vaccine 1) is this only for corona? and can you explain why? 2) what happened to right to privacy and can you explain why we're trashing that here 3) can you explain how you can put on a vaccine and take it off again like shoes or a shirt, or is that just masks oh oops and leading up my main entire idea is there are people who are ACTUALLY medically recommended (by their doctors) to avoid the vaccine because of allergies, or underlying conditions, and the retarded bans and mandates (from gov't or elsewhere) are going to trample these people's perfectly reasonable rights, just like getting your name on the no-fly-list unjustly in the past 20 years

1) Have you heard about the pandemic?
2) Right to privacy is an illusion, you're already forced to do certain things in order to participate in society. That's how it has always been and always will be.
3) You really have a hard time understanding metaphors don't you

Why am i not surprised that the intellectually capable Santa is against vaccines

On October 05 2021 12:23 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2021 09:47 Santafairy wrote:   On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. nobody picked up on this, it's not a logical thought process because it doesn't consider variance life is not a game and it can be perfectly rational to use a non-GTO strategy lowering variance at the cost of reduced EV has its own benefits and usually I wouldn't Daut you so I'm willing to accept this is sort of understood as being partly considered in "life EV" if that's some kind of meta-EV you can ARGUE either way, maybe for children it's not clear and the risk of the virus and vaccine are too similar, you can argue with adults it's all but proven the side effects are miniscule, but that's my point, variance is a necessary part of the calculus not just EV   On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service. it is de facto forcing if you can't work or eat or go outside without a vaccine 1) is this only for corona? and can you explain why? 2) what happened to right to privacy and can you explain why we're trashing that here 3) can you explain how you can put on a vaccine and take it off again like shoes or a shirt, or is that just masks oh oops and leading up my main entire idea is there are people who are ACTUALLY medically recommended (by their doctors) to avoid the vaccine because of allergies, or underlying conditions, and the retarded bans and mandates (from gov't or elsewhere) are going to trample these people's perfectly reasonable rights, just like getting your name on the no-fly-list unjustly in the past 20 years 1) Have you heard about the pandemic? 2) Right to privacy is an illusion, you're already forced to do certain things in order to participate in society. That's how it has always been and always will be. 3) You really have a hard time understanding metaphors don't you Why am i not surprised that the intellectually capable Santa is against vaccines

I'm not against vaccines, wasn't talking to you, and you're a retard

On October 05 2021 10:26 Mortensen8 wrote: No compromise no vaccine baal all of this is a scam and obvious why do normalfags not see it? must be retarded. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GPRndnVqehF3/ https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/3...ou-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/

it's actually true, they are all brainwashed due to like some sort of weird mental weakness, or they are retarded lol

it doesn't help to actually tell them but it's def true for like 90% of people
it's impossible to honestly communicate with most of these people they don't care about integrity they aren't trying to learn and their eyes aren't open they are only looking to validate the beliefs they already have. but you already know this of course. and everyone else who sees what is happening also knows lol. it's pretty wild actually.

anyways I don't care, can't spend all my time trying to get people who don't want to see to genuinely (earnestly, genuinely) consider what I am saying


like I said, I'll probably end up in the camps, and when that happens everyone can just go ahead and continue to justify it to themselves.

Never understood why this site was so rife with people going full-retard on the conspiracy theories. Imagine thinking you know better than critical care doctors at treating people with severe COVID because of shit you read on the internet.

In March 2020 it was reported that hospitals in Spain and Italy were over-flowing with patients, but this happens every flu season.

For comparison, the IFR of seasonal influenza, against which prior immunity and vaccines exist, is about 0.05% to 0.1%

Both quotes from Mortensen's own source. Simultaneously posting that COVID is fine because it has a 99%+ survival rate while also admitting that the flu with a 99.9%+ survival rate consistently brings hospitals beyond capacity. Your own sources list the IFR of COVID as 5-10x higher than the Flu.

On October 05 2021 06:28 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2021 13:42 lostaccount wrote:   On October 04 2021 04:46 Baalim wrote:   On October 03 2021 18:48 Daut wrote: This is pretty simple. Getting the vaccine is higher life EV than not getting the vaccine. Forcing people to get the vaccine is authoritarian. If you don't get it you're pretty fucking stupid. But that should still be your choice. But private businesses also have the right to refuse service to unvaccinated -- no shoes, no shirt, no service. 100% agreed... how can't professional poker players figure out simple odds? also businesses should be free to fire employees, free market baby. Lol free market there is no free market in today’s world maybe one day in the future. They had to mandate the vaccine to force people to take it. U think that’s free market? I didn't make any claim about we living or not in a free market, I also said a few posts above that I dont support the mandates, what I said was that I support that businesses should be able to fire people if they refuse to be vaccinated, free market.

sure most business wouldnt even care about vaccines if it wasnt for our government mandating it. so no free market

On October 05 2021 21:19 blackjacki2 wrote: Never understood why this site was so rife with people going full-retard on the conspiracy theories. Imagine thinking you know better than critical care doctors at treating people with severe COVID because of shit you read on the internet. Show nested quote + In March 2020 it was reported that hospitals in Spain and Italy were over-flowing with patients, but this happens every flu season.   For comparison, the IFR of seasonal influenza, against which prior immunity and vaccines exist, is about 0.05% to 0.1% Both quotes from Mortensen's own source. Simultaneously posting that COVID is fine because it has a 99%+ survival rate while also admitting that the flu with a 99.9%+ survival rate consistently brings hospitals beyond capacity. Your own sources list the IFR of COVID as 5-10x higher than the Flu.

Yea thats not worth the tyranny or crashing the economy retard! if you are too old or too fat to survive covid sometimes you have to accept death if I was an old or fat fuck I wouldn't sacrifice the rest of society just because we might not have enough hospital beds. Whatever last post ever don't give a fuck anymore this is too tilting. I shouldn't even be trying to reason with you the fucking flu virtually disappeared and no one found it suspicious its a fucking scam. Those numbers are inflated because everything was labeled covid as well pay attention.

Should maybe just vaccinate so it stops being such a problem and letting society fully reopen without lots of people getting sick and hospitalized if you are worried about the economy.

Like, I actually do think a lot of people have overblown how dangerous covid is - seeing how I've also been arguing with people who think it's as bad as the spanish flu was. If 'covid isn't as dangerous as some people claim' was your argument, that'd be fairly reasonable. However, as guilty as some people are in overblowing the danger of covid, you're tenfold times more guilty of overblowing the danger of the vaccine. Covid has a low probability of seriously harming a healthy non-old person. Vaccines have a miniscule probability of doing the same thing.

I just don't get what you guys think the aim of the vaccine is. It's 'something sinister'- but what? Is it all a ploy from big pharma to boost their wealth and power, or is it like, mind control to further the brainwashing of the sheeple? And all western governments are unified in these particular efforts? When Covid was new, travis was posting on tl about how it was connected to 5g and that covid was going to change the lives of everyone negatively and that in one year, everyone would know someone who had died from covid. (I've actually had a pretty great year and a half and in Norway I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who died.) Now, it's the vaccine that is the problem. What I do get is that you guys stop posting because 'it's too tiring' - cause it must be really exhausting to inhabit your realities.

They knew they were on their way out young people are very sceptical of allopathic medicine and created now the people who took it might need boosters for the rest of their lives to survive to not get ADE is one theory. I don't care what it is but everything is blatant it seems like this is done intentionally and people won't go along with this agenda so maybe its for some other purpose perhaps to usher in this antichrist and then all the christians willingly are going to commit mass suicide watch the christians very carefully they are growing in number everyones programming from childhood is kicking in, its a trap always was (this is just my theory that is subject to change) or its just the good old divide and conquer sometimes its not just about money (never was all an illsusion) anyway they are going next level.

On October 05 2021 22:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: When Covid was new, travis was posting on tl about how it was connected to 5g and that covid was going to change the lives of everyone negatively and that in one year, everyone would know someone who had died from covid. (I've actually had a pretty great year and a half and in Norway I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who died.) Now, it's the vaccine that is the problem. What I do get is that you guys stop posting because 'it's too tiring' - cause it must be really exhausting to inhabit your realities.

It sounds like you aren't even totally sure what it was I said, so maybe you shouldn't be trying to quote me or paraphase me or whatever? right? seems like common sense and respectful treatment of another person right?

Oh, and the point is surely complicated, because the world is chaotic. But there are clear agendas that have been made known, such as the Great Reset... it's not really deniable because they literally tell us, this is fact not opinion


or in simpler terms, perhaps the most relevant point for everyday people - the point is authoritarianism. extreme authoritarianism using technology to ensure compliance.

On October 05 2021 22:35 Mortensen8 wrote: They knew they were on their way out young people are very sceptical of allopathic medicine and created now the people who took it might need boosters for the rest of their lives to survive to not get ADE is one theory. I don't care what it is but everything is blatant it seems like this is done intentionally and people won't go along with this agenda so maybe its for some other purpose perhaps to usher in this antichrist and then all the christians willingly are going to commit mass suicide watch the christians very carefully they are growing in number everyones programming from childhood is kicking in, its a trap always was (this is just my theory that is subject to change) or its just the good old divide and conquer sometimes its not just about money (never was all an illsusion) anyway they are going next level.

Yikes.

Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you say about COVID not being worth tyranny or crashing the economy. That doesn't mean you should go full-retard and argue that COVID isn't real and it's all a conspiracy just because some people on the internet are saying that.

Brah just google kovid kapoor its all out there. Did you know about clade x? 666 days before WHO declared this a pandemic a simulation... Did you know about event 201? seems like yall been sleeping.

On October 05 2021 10:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: Obviously people who are medically recommended not to get the vaccine (this is a pretty miniscule number, no?) should get some type of exemption from vaccine requirements. But tbh, I think recommendations not to get the vaccine tend to coincide pretty heavily with 'is at serious risk from covid', so those people probably won't want to be out in a non-vaccinated public anyway. That there are people with legitimate medical reasons not to get the vaccine is just more argument for why all the people who don't have those same legitimate medical reasons should get it.

My dad nearly died and spent 1 month in the ICU because of a rare autoimmune disease early 2020, now he is on immuno-supressors and his immunologist doctor told him to take the vaccine as soon as available, so if someone with a rare autoimmune sindrome on immunosupressors can take the vaccine my guess is that those "medical exceptions" are beyond rare fwiw.

On October 05 2021 09:47 Santafairy wrote: nobody picked up on this, it's not a logical thought process because it doesn't consider variance life is not a game and it can be perfectly rational to use a non-GTO strategy lowering variance at the cost of reduced EV has its own benefits and usually I wouldn't Daut you so I'm willing to accept this is sort of understood as being partly considered in "life EV" if that's some kind of meta-EV you can ARGUE either way, maybe for children it's not clear and the risk of the virus and vaccine are too similar, you can argue with adults it's all but proven the side effects are miniscule, but that's my point, variance is a necessary part of the calculus not just EV [QUOTE] Oh yes please... school Daut of all people about statistical math lol. I assume you are equating unknown future side-effects as "variance" (it isn't), but for the 100th time, get the fucking J&J vaccine which uses a nearly century old method with very known effects, unlike COVID which we also have 0 data on long-term effects. [quote] it is de facto forcing if you can't work or eat or go outside without a vaccine 1) is this only for corona? and can you explain why? 2) what happened to right to privacy and can you explain why we're trashing that here 3) can you explain how you can put on a vaccine and take it off again like shoes or a shirt, or is that just masks oh oops and leading up my main entire idea is there are people who are ACTUALLY medically recommended (by their doctors) to avoid the vaccine because of allergies, or underlying conditions, and the retarded bans and mandates (from gov't or elsewhere) are going to trample these people's perfectly reasonable rights, just like getting your name on the no-fly-list unjustly in the past 20 years

It's forcing if the state mandates it, if a business chooses it its not, nobody is forcing you to wear format attire becaue a fancy restaurant has it as a rule, don't want to dress up? don't go to the restaurant.

1) No other virus has killed millions this year, if other deadly viruses were on a pandemic killing millions it probably would extend to those too.
2) Businesses ask for IDs to check age before selling alcohol, no different than ask for vaccination status if you want to keep your age or your vaccination status private go somewhere else.
3) what?

If somebody has a medical excemption to get the vaccine then sure show me the Doctors order and I'll accept you in my imaginary business.

On October 05 2021 23:02 Mortensen8 wrote: Brah just google kovid kapoor its all out there. Did you know about clade x? 666 days before WHO declared this a pandemic a simulation... Did you know about event 201? seems like yall been sleeping.

Rhaegar is this you?

Lmao Kyrie Irving unvaccinated causing problems for the Nets.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3...possibility-miss-home-games-practices

Again I don't have a strong opinion on this but generally I have a thesis on the NBA that Kyrie is a total dumbass and I try to short him whenever I can. I remember when he got signed by Boston he kept using big fancy words when it wasn't appropriate to do so and he should have just used a normal word and also kept trying to sound profound all the time and I knew he was a total dumbass lol.

That being said a lot of dumb liberals are vaxxers so idk.

Lol hiems

I am not vaccinated. I am dragging my feet as a protest. From the beginning the lockdowns were power overreaches and I am uninterested in complying to further direction. I have seen how my friends running businesses (livelihoods) have been yanked around by bureaucrats, news business, and hypochondriacs. They suffered for no reason and continue to suffer. Who hasn't suffered? Amazon, Apple, big media companies, of course politicians, etc. People's immense fear of death has been co-opted to massively change society for the worse.

I was initially depressed by this. Now I accept that the society I took for granted is gone. Even if I get vaccinated (which I may do someday) and others like me vaccinate, there will never be 100% compliance. So there will never be a "reopening" or a return "to normal." There will always be some other thing we have to comply to first. Like a carrot dangled in front of us. People will be scanning their vaccine passports for the rest of eternity in places that implement them. I had no problem wearing masks, or respecting social distancing rules, or being empathetic to people's fear of the virus. Now though? People who are concerned about covid are vaccinated. That should have been the end of it. Of course, there will be no end to this anytime soon. Moving goalposts.

I hope I am wrong. I truly do hope that I am delusional and that I have just been influenced by the wrong people and ideas. I would consider that a win because it would mean I'm living in a better world than I imagine I live in. I do think it's possible.

To conclude I am sure the vaccine is fine. I do not believe it is evil, or that it "5Gz you/muh DNAz/nanochips/etc." I just don't like feeling forced to do something. And there is definitely a lot of pressure to comply. Call it oppositional defiance. COVID has always felt like a power grab and one that is continuing. Eventually people need to stop complying and move on.

On October 06 2021 07:17 vasoline73 wrote: I am not vaccinated. I am dragging my feet as a protest. From the beginning the lockdowns were power overreaches and I am uninterested in complying to further direction. I have seen how my friends running businesses (livelihoods) have been yanked around by bureaucrats, news business, and hypochondriacs. They suffered for no reason and continue to suffer. Who hasn't suffered? Amazon, Apple, big media companies, of course politicians, etc. People's immense fear of death has been co-opted to massively change society for the worse. I was initially depressed by this. Now I accept that the society I took for granted is gone. Even if I get vaccinated (which I may do someday) and others like me vaccinate, there will never be 100% compliance. So there will never be a "reopening" or a return "to normal." There will always be some other thing we have to comply to first. Like a carrot dangled in front of us. People will be scanning their vaccine passports for the rest of eternity in places that implement them. I had no problem wearing masks, or respecting social distancing rules, or being empathetic to people's fear of the virus. Now though? People who are concerned about covid are vaccinated. That should have been the end of it. Of course, there will be no end to this anytime soon. Moving goalposts. I hope I am wrong. I truly do hope that I am delusional and that I have just been influenced by the wrong people and ideas. I would consider that a win because it would mean I'm living in a better world than I imagine I live in. I do think it's possible. To conclude I am sure the vaccine is fine. I do not believe it is evil, or that it "5Gz you/muh DNAz/nanochips/etc." I just don't like feeling forced to do something. And there is definitely a lot of pressure to comply. Call it oppositional defiance. COVID has always felt like a power grab and one that is continuing. Eventually people need to stop complying and move on.

amen brotha ill get vaccinated when i have 2 kids, not!!!

There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated.

What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education.

On October 06 2021 08:23 CrownRoyal wrote: There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated. What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education.

Because it significantly reduces the chance of spreading it by over 90%?

On October 06 2021 10:58 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2021 08:23 CrownRoyal wrote: There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated. What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education. Because it significantly reduces the chance of spreading it by over 90%?

can you reference some study to this ? personally i think 90% is way too high.

On October 06 2021 07:17 vasoline73 wrote: I am not vaccinated. I am dragging my feet as a protest. From the beginning the lockdowns were power overreaches and I am uninterested in complying to further direction. I have seen how my friends running businesses (livelihoods) have been yanked around by bureaucrats, news business, and hypochondriacs. They suffered for no reason and continue to suffer. Who hasn't suffered? Amazon, Apple, big media companies, of course politicians, etc. People's immense fear of death has been co-opted to massively change society for the worse. I was initially depressed by this. Now I accept that the society I took for granted is gone. Even if I get vaccinated (which I may do someday) and others like me vaccinate, there will never be 100% compliance. So there will never be a "reopening" or a return "to normal." There will always be some other thing we have to comply to first. Like a carrot dangled in front of us. People will be scanning their vaccine passports for the rest of eternity in places that implement them. I had no problem wearing masks, or respecting social distancing rules, or being empathetic to people's fear of the virus. Now though? People who are concerned about covid are vaccinated. That should have been the end of it. Of course, there will be no end to this anytime soon. Moving goalposts. I hope I am wrong. I truly do hope that I am delusional and that I have just been influenced by the wrong people and ideas. I would consider that a win because it would mean I'm living in a better world than I imagine I live in. I do think it's possible. To conclude I am sure the vaccine is fine. I do not believe it is evil, or that it "5Gz you/muh DNAz/nanochips/etc." I just don't like feeling forced to do something. And there is definitely a lot of pressure to comply. Call it oppositional defiance. COVID has always felt like a power grab and one that is continuing. Eventually people need to stop complying and move on.

I mean, I live in a country where the compliance was sufficiently high for us to reopen and return to normal. It might be that you yourself and everyone thinking like you end up proving yourself correct though.. Anyway, to me, it seems weird to complain about a problem when you are that problem.

I'm not gonna cite a number, cause I don't know and I'm not even sure it's fully mapped out, I'm guessing it even varies depending on type of vaccine and how long ago etc. But how sick / how likely people are to get sick depends on the viral load they are exposed to, and being vaccinated greatly reduces the viral load you spread, even if you are infected.

Anyway, even if you are young and healthy, that does not mean you are immune to Covid. Professional athletes in their 20s and 30s occasionally become very ill from Covid. It's not frequent - not claiming that - but it's still way, way more likely that you get seriously ill from covid than from any vaccine, especially if you live in a country or region with a fairly high prevalence of covid.

So: Assuming you're not a conspiracy theorist who rejects 'mainstream medical science', then getting the vaccine reduces the risk of serious illness both to you, and to people around you. It's that simple. If you are an adult, virtually no matter what age or health condition, getting vaccinated makes sense from a purely selfish point of view, and it makes sense from a more communitarian point of view.

On October 05 2021 22:42 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2021 22:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: When Covid was new, travis was posting on tl about how it was connected to 5g and that covid was going to change the lives of everyone negatively and that in one year, everyone would know someone who had died from covid. (I've actually had a pretty great year and a half and in Norway I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who died.) Now, it's the vaccine that is the problem. What I do get is that you guys stop posting because 'it's too tiring' - cause it must be really exhausting to inhabit your realities. It sounds like you aren't even totally sure what it was I said, so maybe you shouldn't be trying to quote me or paraphase me or whatever? right? seems like common sense and respectful treatment of another person right? Oh, and the point is surely complicated, because the world is chaotic. But there are clear agendas that have been made known, such as the Great Reset... it's not really deniable because they literally tell us, this is fact not opinion or in simpler terms, perhaps the most relevant point for everyday people - the point is authoritarianism. extreme authoritarianism using technology to ensure compliance.

Firstly I don't think you can really expect respect when your previous post states that 'they are all brainwashed due to like some sort of weird mental weakness, or they are retarded lol'.

Secondly I tried to look at your posts on tl where you talk about the relationship between covid, 5g and the economy, but you removed them so it's impossible for me to know what you really said. I can find quotes that make you seem like a huge covid alarmist, but it doesn't really matter. Anyway, I think discussing this with you is just depressing, because I remember you as a caring, smart and empathic person, and it's not the person I see anymore. I assume you might return that statement right back at me, but oh well. I genuinely hope your life becomes better in the future, but I honestly doubt it - and not because you're gonna end up in camps, but because you've distanced yourself from society and accepted a world view that is not compatible with well.. people that are sane.

On October 06 2021 13:18 Liquid`Drone wrote: and being vaccinated greatly reduces the viral load you spread, even if you are infected.

This was true before DELTA but now they find out that vaccinated persons who get covid have the same viral load then not vaccinated. Only they are less days infectous, however i would make the argument that vaccinated persons potentailly spread it much more then unvaccinated as those not vaccinated (at least here) cant really participate in social life.
Here if you want to read: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

Also you should be very aware about narcolepsy that was because of the vaccination against swine flu (mainly in scandinavian countries as far as i know).
The thing is they only found out about this around 11-12 month after they started to vaccinate and then stopped it.

I'm not denying that there is a risk also for myself to get Corona and might even need to go to hospital, but statistically it is very unlikely, so i'm happy to take that risk.
Also as long as everyone had an opportunity to get vaccinated i dont see how i should do it for an altruistic reason.


EDIT: also how far should the govt go about protecting their ppl? smoking is not good for health care system but still allowed ? same goes for unhealthy food, alcohol etc. What about limitation of travel becasue of CO2 ? would you support those ideas and comply because it is all for health / health of the earth ?