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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2021 03:24. Posts 33969

Heres the article:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/...,a%20co%2Dordinated%20buying%20spree.



Crazy that this will create a 2008-like anti wallstreet feelling but for 0.1% of the money involved, fuck wallstreet srsly I hope people in Citadel go to jail but sadly, it's very unlikely.

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lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 03:31. Posts 3649

Yea been reading a lot on Reddit

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 04:03. Posts 6968

Not a bad article but clearly the best source here is r/wallstreetbets and sharp people on Twitter.


RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 04:23. Posts 6968

Facebook deleted a group of 157,000 RobinHood Stock Traders.

Google deleted 100,000+ negative reviews of RobinHood on their app store just today.

It's literally lizard people everywhere. Don't sit there and get excited that the puppets with haircuts in suits beholden to the corporate oligarchy might actually do something... We have to figure it out on our own. So, let's start... What can you imagine?


lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 04:29. Posts 3649

The revolution has began

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 04:41. Posts 6968

(First woman zomgzomgzomg I luv u Joe Biden!!!) Secretary of Treasury Janet Yellen received $800,000+ in speaking fees from Citadel hedge fund. The same Citadel hedge fund that bailed out Melvin (136% $GME short position) for billions of dollars and the same Citadel hedge fund that RobinHood is beholden to. RobinHood doesn't actually make money off of retail customers. They make money by sending Citadel and other hedge funds retail trade info.


lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 04:47. Posts 3649

im so happy seeing the pain in the short sellers. I don't even own any gme but i want to see 1000$+.

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 05:18. Posts 6968

Facebook? Has been dead to me for years.

Whatsapp? Dead to me as of Jan 2021. The sharps use Signal.

Browser? Chrome... Fuck... I am pretty comfy with it too. What is best in life?

Email? Gmail... Fuck... What is best in life?

Twitter? Not a fan of how they handle a lot of censorship but I generally like @jack and overall like Twitter. Change my mind.

YouTube? Fuck, I put in YouTube seshes all the time.

Fuck... I haven't even gotten into Amazon or Apple...Amazon Web Services... Reddit is on AWS... Fuck.

Come on lads! We can brainstorm and figure these things out. Is a 1 billion person global general strike possible?


RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 05:20. Posts 6968

Oh yeah, Telegram over Discord. Let's go!!!


Big_Rob_isback   United States. Jan 29 2021 06:29. Posts 209

I know nothing next to nothing about stocks and shorts, but I found this on reddit:

"Please read!!! This text will be the most important piece that you’ll see today!!!

They didn’t exit any of their short positions! You can look it up!!! The fund sold their shares to other funds, which made the stock algorithm think the stock is being sold —> price goes down —> the found that bought sells those shares again to the fund that sold them in the first place —> price drops even more —> they keep doing that —> price drops lower every time —> but as long as we hold they weren’t able to exit any positions!!! Shorts are still up 120% percent. As long as we hold the squeeze is inevitable!! And if you don’t believe me, look at the GME after hour stock price!

Furthermore don’t sell at 1000$ tomorrow or next week!!! It can be way fucking higher! I‘m talking about numbers around 10/20k per share! Compared to the VW squeeze in 2008 GME would need to be valued at 34000$ per share!!!

READ THIS!!!! COPIED IT FROM A WISE REDDITOR!!!

EVERYBODY READ THIS! Important!

Since it got removed: When do we sell? A quick guide for GME Army. (SECRET TO DIAMOND HAND ???????? )

When do we sell? A quick guide for GME Army. (SECRET TO DIAMOND HAND ???????? )

Too much disinformation about when to sell. I'm tired of seeing people paper handing GME when it drops by 20%, or saying to sell Friday (BTW DO NOT FUCKING SELL FRIDAY OR I WILL COME OVER THERE AND DO STUFF TO YOU!) so here is the DEFINITIVE guide on how to play the ending.

First, we need to understand what is "Days to Cover" or "Short Ratio" .

Official definition:

• ?Days to cover, also called short ratio, measures the expected number of days to close out a company's issued shares that have been shorted. • ?Days to cover is calculated by taking the number of currently shorted shares and dividing that amount by the average daily trading volume for the company in question. • ?A high 'days to cover' ratio can often signal a potential short squeeze.

Dumbed down version:

• ?imagine you're Melvin Capital and you have 1 million dildos up your ass. How long will it take to get all those dildos out of your ass? If the volume of dildo removing is 1 per day, then it'll take 1 million days to remove 1 million dildos up your ass. If it's 50,000 dildos a day, then it's 20 days. • ?Same thing with covering short positions. How long will it take Melvin Capital and other shorters to cover their short positions? You take alllll the shorted shares, divided by the average volume of share movement per day, and you get something called "Days to Cover"

Now you know what day's to cover means, you can check many websites to see what is the days to cover for GME.

So you can see, even if Melvin Capital wants to cover their shorts, it's gonna take them DAYS, and right now it's gonna take them an entire trading week to cover their position.

So what does that mean for us?

Well, we're just waiting for the day when Melvin Capital starts covering their position. When is that day? VERY FUCKING SOON. They're are bleeding out of their ass with the insane interest rate they're paying for their position, and a lot of puts are expiring on Friday, plus a lot of ITM (in the money) calls expire Friday and can be exercised to get shares.

Friday might be the day where Melvin Capital have no choice BUT to start covering.

Now, IF this happens, then it's not gonna take Melvin Capital 1 hour to cover all their shorts, but DAYS. Meaning if Melvin capital starts covering FRIDAY, it will take them at LEAST 5 DAYS to fully cover, which means ALL of next week, the price will keep increasing and increasing! So realistically I'd say Weds or Thurs next week might be peak sell time, IF the covering starts Friday. No need to panic sell. No need to worry about a top that lasts for minutes. It will LAST FOR DAYS!!!!!

Now, CNBC and all of the MM's and corrupt media will fool you into thinking Melvin Capital has already covered their shorts or some other bullshit, but don't believe it. It takes DAYS to do so!

The only numbers you should be looking at is the short ratio. If it's getting smaller, then the squeeze has begun. If it's still at fucking 138-140% like it is now, NOTHING EVEN HAPPENED YET.

We're at fucking $250 after hours and the shorts still haven't begun to cover yet! Imagine when they do? $1000 is actually a very low estimate, and is no longer a meme number. If we all play it right and hold while shorts cover, we can literally squeeze this to infinity as they try to cover.

TL:DR = ACTUALLY FUCKING READ IT AND HOLD MOTHER FUCKERS HOOOOLLLDDDD. WE'RE ROBBING WALLSTREET TOGETHER!!!!! "

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ggplz   Sweden. Jan 29 2021 06:34. Posts 16725

Brokers are claiming that there's a liquidity issue potentially threatening the ability to guarantee customers are paid out on a trade. Basically, they are afraid that due to the extreme volatility (+/- $100s in a single candle), scarcity of shares available & huge short position by a firm with deep pockets seemingly in it for the long haul that the shares could spike to like $1k then it's possible Melvin couldn't pay out. Also, apparently some redditors sold their shares for $2600 & $5000 a share earlier because there were so few available for bigger firms. Not sure if it's true though. Honestly I expect this to be trading at $500+ again tomorrow and people will make a lot of money trading this, depending on how much they limit the trades it could go way higher than $500, if we saw $700-800 and a sudden spike to $1k that could be GG. If it hits their stop loss and the big shorts go bust, the price will spike higher than ever before and the clearing house might have issues if for example Melvin can't pay at the end of the day, then the clearing house is stuck with a huge amount owed to pay the people on the other side of the trade i.e. redditors etc. Will be fun to watch tomorrow!!!!

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Big_Rob_isback   United States. Jan 29 2021 06:59. Posts 209

From what I've been reading, the hedge funds want us to think tomorrow is the BIG day to see what happens, when really its more like likely Monday - Edit, as long as people hold

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2021 07:42. Posts 33969


  On January 29 2021 03:23 RiKD wrote:
Facebook deleted a group of 157,000 RobinHood Stock Traders.

Google deleted 100,000+ negative reviews of RobinHood on their app store just today.

It's literally lizard people everywhere. Don't sit there and get excited that the puppets with haircuts in suits beholden to the corporate oligarchy might actually do something... We have to figure it out on our own. So, let's start... What can you imagine?



If they keep this shit up I'm going to join Loco and become a commie.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2021 07:48. Posts 33969

Apparently Robinhood blocking trading with GME was because Dodd-Frank regulations require them to post collateral since the money is settled 48h after the trades.

The collateral ammount is calculated through the greek indicators, so if a stock has a 99% of staying within certain margin they post a collateral multiplied by that 1%, but now the volume and the volatility were greatly increased so basically Robinhood would have had to post like 10% of collateral for every buy on GME by law, so they stopped the buys from it.

So it appears that this block isn't as machiavellian as it seemed before, but its still a big hit on wallstreet cred.

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 29 2021 10:31. Posts 2060

people are trying to buy the stock at the listed value

if people are buying the stock they shouldn't need to post anything more than the stock's value in collateral, which is from actual money in the accounts of the small traders that use their service so why wouldn't they have that money right? that is an excuse... even ftp had more money on hand...

>a million people deposit $200 into FTP
>howard lederer deposits $100 million
>play $1/$2 with howard lederer
>"Due to the volatility of Howard Lederer's play, we are temporarily suspending winning pots vs him. You can only lose pots and fold your hand."
well this makes sense, if i play a pot with howard lederer ftp has to have the money after all...

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus HansenLast edit: 29/01/2021 10:37

lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 11:54. Posts 3649


  On January 29 2021 06:48 Baalim wrote:
Apparently Robinhood blocking trading with GME was because Dodd-Frank regulations require them to post collateral since the money is settled 48h after the trades.

The collateral ammount is calculated through the greek indicators, so if a stock has a 99% of staying within certain margin they post a collateral multiplied by that 1%, but now the volume and the volatility were greatly increased so basically Robinhood would have had to post like 10% of collateral for every buy on GME by law, so they stopped the buys from it.

So it appears that this block isn't as machiavellian as it seemed before, but its still a big hit on wallstreet cred.



Lol at believing the media

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 12:15. Posts 6968

Yeah, srsly. How come Mr. Interactive Brokers Chairman Thomas Peterffy made no mention of this when he was on the TV?

Baalim has always been quick to lick the boot.


whammbot   Belarus. Jan 29 2021 13:25. Posts 489

why do the non-sjw tech companies always have the shittiest gui and userx? gab, parler, bitshit or whatever that youtube counterpart is - all the worst looking apps ive seen
trump needs to bankroll his own tech companies, move them all to texas and hire like-minded coders (which are probably a lot of em out there) and get that 75million userbase asap.


RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 15:48. Posts 6968


  On January 29 2021 06:42 Baalim wrote:
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If they keep this shit up I'm going to join Loco and become a commie.


I don't want to put words into Loco's mouth but I always thought he was more anarchist than communist. Calling him a commie... I don't even know what that means... Maybe he likes Bernie Sanders? Maybe he's a Russian agent like Tulsi Gabbard or Edward Snowden? Or maybe he is a tankie piece of shit or ML which would be unfortunate. He was always for Eco-Socialism and Total Liberation which may overlap/trend with Anarcho-Communism...

Anyways, you have a history of dishonest, bad-faith, dopamine craved discourse with Loco and you should probably know whose side I am most likely to take on most things at this point and I don't even know why I responded to this but I am just running out the clock until I can take a walk in good sun which is the first time I will have seen the sun in 3 days.

Like, what about Bernanke? I don't want to look up every last detail but he runs the fed in 2008... From there he gives speeches for likely all the cronies he took care of at the fed. Now, they take care of him with $250,000+ checks per speech. Then he gets hired as the senior advisor at Citadel. It's all intermixed.

I could see why you like a guy like Elon. He has a lot of positive traits. He was also substantially helped out by The State with Tesla and SpaceX and his first start up with his brother was funded by his billionaire dad with profits from emerald mining with horrendous labor practices under apartheid in South Africa. It's probably one of the reasons why Elon does not give a shit about backing coups in Bolivia for Lithium or current labor practices extracting Cobalt from the Congo or speculative labor practices at his own companies in the USA. Tesla, SpaceX, and SolarCity would have all died without the help of the US Government. So, we should all suck Elon's dick? Because, trickle down economics? Give me a fucking break... hijo de puta la concha de tu madre


RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 16:03. Posts 6968

This bitch...

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CNBC is the fucking worst. Fuck Comcast. That's the root of one of the major cancers on the planet.


RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 16:08. Posts 6968

I never know how to embed Twitter stuff. I'm such a fish lol.


JoeyStyles   United States. Jan 29 2021 16:54. Posts 3

What a time to be alive, guys. Trolls from Reddit have just crushed the plans of our corrupted politicians, pseudo-traders and BigTech.


lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 17:02. Posts 3649

I got some amc n gme today to support the cause. I’m all in baby

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hiems   United States. Jan 29 2021 17:36. Posts 2425

exchange reported short interest, short interest on loan, and days to cover down alot for $gme today.

can someone explain what's going on here.

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lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 17:51. Posts 3649

Short squeeze

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 29 2021 17:54. Posts 9629

I managed to lose some cash swing trading Doge, but this entire thing is so fucking good

I have no idea how over-shorting is a legal thing and possible on the stock market what a joke.

Robinhood will get a massive combined lawsuit against them for the market manipulation they did yesterday and their IPO is pretty much fucked now

Google deleting the reviews is kind of standard practice by them, no idea why people are surprised

Corrupt wallstreeters and politicians are eating their shit while people like Elon and Chamath are backing the WSB group

Fuck em all and fuck em good. I hope they break the system by playing by their rules.


hiems   United States. Jan 29 2021 17:58. Posts 2425

The open short interest for both amc and gme are down alot today so wondering what happened to em.

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 20:16. Posts 6968

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 20:33. Posts 6968

Elizabeth Warren is such a goober. Just seems like such a terrible human being. I don't even know if she means it but she must right? She's either stupid or crooked and maybe both? Anyone that gets good feelings from Elizabeth Warren has not looked closely enough. Every single god damn time she spouts of rhetoric about the billionaire elite then goes and makes policy that will hurt the rest of us.


Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 29 2021 20:36. Posts 2060

Stop the presses a politician is shit

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RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 21:04. Posts 6968

Did Trump and his team ever make up a nickname for Liz Warren? She so wants the spotlight but is so under the radar that she never got a nickname? We should think of one.

Sometimes or maybe all of the time I wish Trump was still on Twitter but he could only make up nicknames and shit on swamp monster politicians.

Oh shit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump

Sleepy Creepy Joe is such a good one especially for that time period.

Low Energy Jeb... rofl... crushing.

Crooked Hillary is a classic.

Lyin' Ted Cruz.

Uber Left Elizabeth Warren... meh

Pochahontas... rofl but not quite it. Timing of it was classic though rofl.

Sneakin' Dianne Feinstein... now there's a swamp monster if there ever was one. YouTube or Google or DuckDuckGo about Covid insider trading or the one where she tells a bunch of school children to fuck off.

 Last edit: 29/01/2021 21:38

Jelle   Belgium. Jan 29 2021 21:21. Posts 3475

no not a politician!


wallstreetbets is absolutely hilarious and awesome. They remind me so much of early online poker. They even had that one guy getting unlimited leverage because of an app bug like H@LLINGGOL using the allin & rebuy trick at $10/$20 to get the dubious 'advantage' of buying in super deep. The short squeeze is like the miracle invention of 3betting in position

I really hope some kind of legendary uberdegen emerges like the isildur1 of wallstreetbets the chosen one

I think it was from Sapiens but the idea that every tribe of humans > 300ish people needs stories and myths to make them work together, because there's too many for you to intimately know and gossip with all of them. So people in giant wall street firms wear expensive suits and walk around in fancy, expensive offices and drink fancy cocktails with each other after a long hard day of consulting magical chart patterns. All the people of wallstreetbets need to unite as a tribe and pool their money is a bunch of 0$ shitposts and memes and rocket icons. It's actually way more efficient if you think about it. Now if only they stonked up on something I actually liked so I could join in the fun

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Jelle   Belgium. Jan 29 2021 21:22. Posts 3475

Low Energy Jeb is the best one by far

GroT 

RiKD    United States. Jan 29 2021 21:49. Posts 6968

I believe Michael Burry of The Big Short fame actually followed this guy on GME. This is the guy who found out Melvin was 136% short on GME at like $2 or $4 in I believe 2019. That is r/wsb lore anyways and he is deeply beloved there. Last time I checked he was up to like a $50million+ position in GME.

Behold:

u/DeepFuckingValue

I haven't actually read the article yet and you could probably find better info just searching r/wallstreetbets but whatever.


lostaccount   Canada. Jan 29 2021 22:23. Posts 3649

Fuck ya gme closed at 325. 320$ calls strike. I’m gonna make a little but not much but I just love seeing rich people get fuk up

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jan 29 2021 23:53. Posts 5048

Should I buy GameStop stocks?

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lostaccount   Canada. Jan 30 2021 00:12. Posts 3649

do it but u gotta tread carefully

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lostaccount   Canada. Jan 30 2021 01:00. Posts 3649

GAMMA SQUEEZE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ggplz   Sweden. Jan 30 2021 01:15. Posts 16725

I traded gamestop today, made $40/share but the volume dropped due to restrictions and i was out
No fuckin shot I hold this over the weekend on the $260 dip with the suspicions of robinhood maybe going busto or SEC stepping in

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhANLast edit: 30/01/2021 01:15

lostaccount   Canada. Jan 30 2021 01:31. Posts 3649


  On January 30 2021 00:15 ggplz wrote:
I traded gamestop today, made $40/share but the volume dropped due to restrictions and i was out
No fuckin shot I hold this over the weekend on the $260 dip with the suspicions of robinhood maybe going busto or SEC stepping in



ur call but i hold till monday when THE SQUEEZE IS IN, i mean we didn't battle at 320 for no reason.

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ggplz   Sweden. Jan 30 2021 02:04. Posts 16725

Ye, if all goes well I will be back in on Monday too, lets go :D

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Jan 30 2021 06:09. Posts 2060


  On January 29 2021 20:22 Jelle wrote:
Low Energy Jeb is the best one by far


imagine destroying a political family and $100 million campaign with an adjective

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spets1   Australia. Jan 30 2021 08:18. Posts 2160

Explained by wall street expert and congresswoman what happened

https://youtu.be/gyvTZeN4EDQ

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RiKD    United States. Jan 30 2021 10:08. Posts 6968

AOC is great at times (pretty tragic at others) and yeah, go Women power! but probably a better way to spend your time is watching Alex Wice's Twitch stream covering AOC's stream (search alexwice on Twitch). I don't know why I'm giving away secrets like this but we need a new decentralized financial system instead of reform for the corrupt, fraudulent piece of shit central banking system we currently have. I think AOC generally means well and is a smart person but everyone succumbs to the Swamp eventually. AOC is stuck in a lib reform cheerleader role and that's all she can really be at this point and I doubt she will give it up. A small part of AOC would like to scale up her Movado watch to a Nancy Pelosi Patek Phillipe which ironically Alex Wice (the "good guy" in my narrative) sports a baller Patek Phillipe in his Twitch stream so the whole thing is complicated. It's not like I'm 100% the good guy either as I am all-in on Crypto and have bills to pay. So, if you invest in Crypto you WILL get rich and it's probably the right thing to do. But, "the right thing to do" is complicated and may always incur adverse effects. So, it's tough to just broadly say Crypto is "the right thing to do." Was the Internet "the right thing to do"? I don't know it just sort of happened with positive traits and negative traits. It is more so just impending Technology. All we can really do is ride the wave and make good choices and go down the right paths. There is something pristine about a well-crafted wooden sailboat but wood rots and it is difficult to make. Why would anyone choose to make a wooden sailboat instead of a fiberglass and aluminum sailboat? I don't even think this is the best example because there is a pristine nostalgia for the wooden sailboat. There is nothing pristine about our current financial systems. Anyone with nostalgia is a ruling neo-liberal overlord that was enriched by the system. Will people say the same about Crypto someday? I think it's a possibility. I have no idea how many outs Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism has and the thing about that is even less outs are anything close to "Utopian." Maybe half or even more than half of the outcomes could actually be Dystopian. The Universe is complicated. This block of text could get even more complicated if I go into the question of if I should even be following AWice whose on the surface motives are to buy Patek Philippe watches and "one up Dan Bilzerian?"

Meh, people are typically experts in few things. Alex Wice's sharpness in Crypto, Mathematics, Computer Programming, Gambling are probably a detriment to other things but not always. I think I lean towards Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism more than many in the Crypto community and that's ok. At this point it should be almost universal that Crypto is better than status quo and we are probably headed for Hyperbitcoinization anyways so let's fucking go!


spets1   Australia. Jan 30 2021 14:26. Posts 2160

Jeez man thatsba lot of stuff in there rikd.

I never listened to her before. This is first time I saw her even. Whatever they were saying I agree with so I posted it

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hiems   United States. Jan 30 2021 19:31. Posts 2425


  On January 30 2021 00:15 ggplz wrote:
I traded gamestop today, made $40/share but the volume dropped due to restrictions and i was out
No fuckin shot I hold this over the weekend on the $260 dip with the suspicions of robinhood maybe going busto or SEC stepping in



continued convo from RiKD's blog (they banned that account)

yeah seems like they were just existing short-sell positions on the stock.

call options were just a primary vehicle that the original wsb kids used to attack the shorts.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

locoo   Peru. Jan 30 2021 21:16. Posts 4558

It's fun watching the hypocritical posturing on both sides as the hedge fund guys try to say they’re the victims, and the yolo WSB crowd out to try to game the system for a buck try to justify stock manipulation as a rebellious act. All while being used to advance the agenda of opportunistic and scary political figures like AOC and her "tax the rich" (I think she means eat the rich) mantra. Anyway made a few bucks on AMC so keep the fight going. I'll keep buying support and selling into strenght.

Also if you haven't you should watch both the Webull CEO and the Robinhood CEO (co founder?) talking about the issue. It's obvious the latter is fucked and is trying to minimize losses by lying, seeing how the former is being so much more open about what really happened.

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitteLast edit: 30/01/2021 21:21

hiems   United States. Jan 30 2021 21:32. Posts 2425


  On January 30 2021 20:16 locoo wrote:
It's fun watching the hypocritical posturing on both sides as the hedge fund guys try to say they’re the victims, and the yolo WSB crowd out to try to game the system for a buck try to justify stock manipulation as a rebellious act. All while being used to advance the agenda of opportunistic and scary political figures like AOC and her "tax the rich" (I think she means eat the rich) mantra. Anyway made a few bucks on AMC so keep the fight going. I'll keep buying support and selling into strenght.

Also if you haven't you should watch both the Webull CEO and the Robinhood CEO (co founder?) talking about the issue. It's obvious the latter is fucked and is trying to minimize losses by lying, seeing how the former is being so much more open about what really happened.



I had a solid 5-bagger with AMC, but didn't fire that hard so wasn't really that amazing.

Been just watching from the sidelines since then not really sure whats the best move.

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whammbot   Belarus. Jan 31 2021 07:54. Posts 489

yeah hedge fans don't play with their own money. it's most likely pensions and private investors as well.

internet trying to describe institutional investors like it's just Soros pressing the enter key

Fund managers get paid win/lose. Worst that can happen is that they lose their jobs, cred takes a hit when the fund underperforms.

 Last edit: 31/01/2021 11:32

RiKD    United States. Jan 31 2021 15:05. Posts 6968

r/wallstreetbets - The Real Reason Wall Street Is Terrified Of The GME Situation

Everything is interconnected. Janet Yellen doesn't make $800,000+ giving short speeches to Citadel hedge fund if she does not allow them to manipulate and maneuver anything they like at will. Janet will probably end up as chairman of Citadel in 8 years if she does a good job for THEM not US you watch. Or, everyone HODLs and maybe we blow up a failing system. The neo-cartel mobster scenarios have evolved and are at an all time high they are just astutely covered up by corporate media. They provide us with avatars and public relations and subtle memes. We must win the meme war.

I haven't read it in a while but Meme Wars: The Creative Destruction of Neoclassical Economics by AdBusters and Kalle Lasn is probably relevant.

One big idea is that neoclassical economics is just an idea. There is a difference between Milton Friedman and the Chicago School espousing on economics versus Isaac Newton discovering physics and calculus. In academia, economics can be an "art" or a "science" but is typically just bullshit controlled and approved to enrich the neoliberal establishment. Hopefully, Stroggoz can chime in as he actually studies this stuff seriously.


ggplz   Sweden. Jan 31 2021 17:11. Posts 16725

Ya, I don't want to fearmonger on that level because I think it could simply be a legit shitty position for the shorts. Never heard of counterfeit shares, I will read that link. I really suspect next week we could have a 10 day suspension of trading followed by a longer investigation period with assets frozen, having the SEC step in or even a Robinhood bankruptcy. Some shit is gonna go down, which could also simply be full trading resumes and all current big shorts get fucked then there's a massive selloff. But I don't think it'll be that in the end! Hard to say.

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RiKD    United States. Jan 31 2021 22:12. Posts 6968

Hmmm,

The more I read and think about it risking $300/share to win $10,000/share is a tempting bet. My Fidelity account is now locked and loaded. Do I want to meekly buy 1 share or boldly buy 15?

If I figured the odds to be 1 in 10 then I figure it's time to pile the money in there. Losing x% of 15 shares really doesn't have much effect on my life while winning 500 shares definitely does. I think it's fair to say that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. The problem is I don't think I have the diamond hands to HODL properly in that scenario. I did in 2009 but I also busted a $100k poker account in 2009. I remember listening to an interview with Tom Dwan in probably 2008 about how he built his bankroll and risking large portions of his bankroll in good games. He said something like, "Yeah, I mean when I lose I'm kind of sad but it's not like I get sick and die or anything like that." I was thinking "Hero." I have found for me though it's tough to always stay rational in those situations. It is difficult to ever know ones' actual edge in a situation. Losing that money that fast actually had a greater effect on me than I thought it would. Plus, I am not an experienced stock trader. In reality, I have no idea what the odds are to risk $300/share to win $10,000/share on GME.

The FEAR would be all the tricks the hedge funds have up their sleeves. The biggest FEAR perhaps is that we bust the hedge funds AND the brokers. Then what?

I think the best places to have your money at this point are Fidelity, Vanguard, and Diamond Hands. It seems like everywhere is beholden to Citadel so that is concerning but just like signing Terms of Service what can you fucking do?

What if we collectively stopped signing Terms of Service and started to liquidate and then eat hedge fund managers, corporate lawyers, corporate advertisers, corporate establishment politicians, etc. in minecraft?

I am not an investment advisor. I am simply an ape that occasionally bathes and that likes the stock.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 31 2021 22:20. Posts 9629

What I dont understand is what is the issue of other hedge funds joining the reddit longing fun and then dumping on everyone with massive profits and opening shorts from giga high price

 Last edit: 31/01/2021 22:20

lostaccount   Canada. Feb 01 2021 01:25. Posts 3649


  On January 31 2021 21:20 Spitfiree wrote:
What I dont understand is what is the issue of other hedge funds joining the reddit longing fun and then dumping on everyone with massive profits and opening shorts from giga high price



yea shorting u win 100% but if u long it can be 1000% and there a lot of shorts out there that needs to be cover if we diamond hand we can make gme 3000$+++

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 01 2021 02:31. Posts 33969


  On January 30 2021 20:16 locoo wrote:
It's fun watching the hypocritical posturing on both sides as the hedge fund guys try to say they’re the victims, and the yolo WSB crowd out to try to game the system for a buck try to justify stock manipulation as a rebellious act. All while being used to advance the agenda of opportunistic and scary political figures like AOC and her "tax the rich" (I think she means eat the rich) mantra. Anyway made a few bucks on AMC so keep the fight going. I'll keep buying support and selling into strenght.

Also if you haven't you should watch both the Webull CEO and the Robinhood CEO (co founder?) talking about the issue. It's obvious the latter is fucked and is trying to minimize losses by lying, seeing how the former is being so much more open about what really happened.



Fuck hedge funds shorting 140% of a company (how is that even possible?) pressuring the company to go bankrupt so they don't even have to pay the stock loans on their shorts, also fuck them for crying about manipulating when its precisely their butter and bread, but I agree that a very sad outcome of this is the strenghtening of opportunistic and dangerous figures like AOC.

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 01 2021 02:40. Posts 33969


  On January 29 2021 09:31 Santafairy wrote:
people are trying to buy the stock at the listed value

if people are buying the stock they shouldn't need to post anything more than the stock's value in collateral, which is from actual money in the accounts of the small traders that use their service so why wouldn't they have that money right? that is an excuse... even ftp had more money on hand...

>a million people deposit $200 into FTP
>howard lederer deposits $100 million
>play $1/$2 with howard lederer
>"Due to the volatility of Howard Lederer's play, we are temporarily suspending winning pots vs him. You can only lose pots and fold your hand."
well this makes sense, if i play a pot with howard lederer ftp has to have the money after all...



Robinhood's accounts are margin and not cash, I don't know the reason for this but these account require a Dodd-Frank mandated collateral that Robinhood did not have in their books so they were forced to close this.

I could be very well by design, or not. but the new york stock exchange along with Nasdaq were talking about closing trading the stock so, if you think me saying this somehow makes me a wallstreet apologist or something of the sort like the idiot RikD does then you'd be mistaken, I'm pretty aware that they are trying to stop the losses in very shitty ways and I'm very happy of seeing them bleed, in fact I want them to bleed much more.

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RiKD    United States. Feb 01 2021 03:16. Posts 6968


  On January 31 2021 21:20 Spitfiree wrote:
What I dont understand is what is the issue of other hedge funds joining the reddit longing fun and then dumping on everyone with massive profits and opening shorts from giga high price



I am almost certain this is happening unless they were all short on GME at $3 with Melvin. Are there unwritten rules that you can't fuck over certain hedge funds?

I mean as far as I know the hedge fund code is to fuck over anyone at any cost if it is at the acceptable ROI but maybe "anyone" really means any retail investor.

Maybe, it is similar to the high roller poker tournaments where most entrants are backed by the same guy(s) and everyone has pieces of each other. I can't really blame Haralabob for getting as much action as he could. The difference is that if Haralabob gets buried it's not like Joe Biden or the Fed are going to bail him out. Also, swapping pieces with similarly skilled players in big tournaments is typically the most +EV decision. Btw, if Fedor Holz or Phil Ivey are offering to swap in a $1 million, well structured NLHE MTT at 1 to 1: First, I blink. Then I ask them politely if they plan on getting sick, injured, or dying in the next week. Then I swap as much as possible.

Then there is the poor sap CEO from Monaco who has never played poker before but agrees to play the One Drop because Guy has a video of him deep throating a well-endowed trans woman at one of his secret parties. No, I keed, I keed. From my experiences Guy is an amazing person. I looked up to see what the hell he is doing now. Seems like he is just spending time on the One Drop Foundation and cultivating cannabis on his personal island in Tahiti. Now, you never fucking know what is going on with charities and it isn't impossible that there is sex trafficking of minors at his secret parties especially on his secret island but he is a Legend in my books.

With the hedge fund guys, they all have videos of each other getting ass pounded by Jeffrey Epstein in a goat mask at the Bohemian Grove. This is not a joke.


Santafairy   Korea (South). Feb 01 2021 04:20. Posts 2060


  On February 01 2021 01:40 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



Robinhood's accounts are margin and not cash, I don't know the reason for this but these account require a Dodd-Frank mandated collateral that Robinhood did not have in their books so they were forced to close this.

I could be very well by design, or not. but the new york stock exchange along with Nasdaq were talking about closing trading the stock so, if you think me saying this somehow makes me a wallstreet apologist or something of the sort like the idiot RikD does then you'd be mistaken, I'm pretty aware that they are trying to stop the losses in very shitty ways and I'm very happy of seeing them bleed, in fact I want them to bleed much more.

I literally just read the opposite that half were cash accounts

But it may have been another platform

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

RiKD    United States. Feb 01 2021 04:52. Posts 6968


  On February 01 2021 01:40 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



Robinhood's accounts are margin and not cash, I don't know the reason for this but these account require a Dodd-Frank mandated collateral that Robinhood did not have in their books so they were forced to close this.

I could be very well by design, or not. but the new york stock exchange along with Nasdaq were talking about closing trading the stock so, if you think me saying this somehow makes me a wallstreet apologist or something of the sort like the idiot RikD does then you'd be mistaken, I'm pretty aware that they are trying to stop the losses in very shitty ways and I'm very happy of seeing them bleed, in fact I want them to bleed much more.



  Apparently Robinhood blocking trading with GME was because Dodd-Frank regulations require them to post collateral since the money is settled 48h after the trades.??The collateral ammount is calculated through the greek indicators, so if a stock has a 99% of staying within certain margin they post a collateral multiplied by that 1%, but now the volume and the volatility were greatly increased so basically Robinhood would have had to post like 10% of collateral for every buy on GME by law, so they stopped the buys from it.??So it appears that this block isn't as machiavellian as it seemed before, but its still a big hit on wallstreet cred.



If you have a source/sources for this I am perfectly happy to eat shit, etc.

Why didn't the Chairman of Interactive Brokers or the CEO of Robinhood spin that information in a positive way when they went on their big tv appearances?

Why didn't they at least make an attempt?

Also:

Honestly, I thought it would be funny to call you a bootlicker. Maybe that was unfair.

So, you are not a Wall Street apologist (at least in this case). I did not know that. That is good to know.

You are or were a Stephen Molyneux apologist. You've never really clarified that position. Maybe that is not relevant to this thread...

But:

I thought you were "Free Market" Ride or Die?

I agree with you that AOC is problematic, the hedge funds are problematic, the SEC is problematic, the corruption and cronyism is problematic, etc. I am surprised though that you are coming down so hard on the hedge funds. Ok, I get it. Elon Tusk builds great EVs and rockets. Jeff Bozos makes it simple to buy just about anything at cheap prices. Bill Ivey provides entertainment for Andy Beal, Guy Laliberte, and rando pumped up Chinese maniacs. Are they THAT much different than the hedge funds?

How would you refute my position that most or all corporations are essentially totalitarian regimes?

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hiems   United States. Feb 01 2021 04:56. Posts 2425

lol

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

Baalim   Mexico. Feb 01 2021 09:50. Posts 33969


  On February 01 2021 03:20 Santafairy wrote:
Show nested quote +


I literally just read the opposite that half were cash accounts

But it may have been another platform



Nope RobinHoods accounts are margin and the buy/sells are finalized 48h after, they aren't a stock exchange they are a broker but they dont execute the trades themselves, they also don't charge a fee for the trade, they make a profit by sharing the trade flow with Citadel.

Chamath Palihapitiya came down after Robinhood to promote SoFi which is owns, but it also does the exact same thing RH does with these free trades that just sell the info.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 01 2021 09:51. Posts 9629

This week we're going to see a lot of people lose a lot of money that they can't afford to. Hopefully, Melvin goes down with them

How the fuck is an app like Robinhood legal in that case?

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 01 2021 10:14. Posts 33969


  On February 01 2021 03:52 RiKD wrote:
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If you have a source/sources for this I am perfectly happy to eat shit, etc.




All the investors I follow mentioned that thing about at some point, Chamath, Balajis and also the one you mentioned, Alex Wice look at their twitter for the info if you want.



Margin accounts need insurance, insurances require you to have collateral dictated by Dodd-Frank regulation, in fact also Nassim Taleb mocked the methodology (VaR) to dictate this collateral requirement.



  Why didn't the Chairman of Interactive Brokers or the CEO of Robinhood spin that information in a positive way when they went on their big tv appearances?



Don't know.

Why didn't they at least make an attempt?



  You are or were a Stephen Molyneux apologist. You've never really clarified that position. Maybe that is not relevant to this thread...



In 2005 I saw his videos about anarchism, his delivery is very passionate they resonated with me, a few years later he became a dad and all his videos were about "anarchic parenting/love" I became uninterested and never heard anything about him after a decade when apparently he became a statis and supported Trump and had many other dumb views, thast pretty much it.

But:


  I thought you were "Free Market" Ride or Die?

I agree with you that AOC is problematic, the hedge funds are problematic, the SEC is problematic, the corruption and cronyism is problematic, etc. I am surprised though that you are coming down so hard on the hedge funds. Ok, I get it. Elon Tusk builds great EVs and rockets. Jeff Bozos makes it simple to buy just about anything at cheap prices. Bill Ivey provides entertainment for Andy Beal, Guy Laliberte, and rando pumped up Chinese maniacs. Are they THAT much different than the hedge funds?

How would you refute my position that most or all corporations are essentially totalitarian regimes?



Do you think the state bailing out banks who busted in 08 sound like the free market to you? There is nothing about free market in the financial sector, its a controlled market through lobbying.

If your argument is that the free market will inevitably devolve into this then my counter-argument is that socialism will inevitably devolve into the deaths of millions from starvation.


Rent seeking is a mediocre way to earn a living, and the banks are the worst renk seekers they are, which would be tolerable if they played fair, but they don't, so fuck them and comparing them to Musk is stupid.


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whammbot   Belarus. Feb 01 2021 13:57. Posts 489


  On February 01 2021 08:51 Spitfiree wrote:
This week we're going to see a lot of people lose a lot of money that they can't afford to. Hopefully, Melvin goes down with them

How the fuck is an app like Robinhood legal in that case?



i think you just get liquidated with what you have on the app. basically jud going busto at lightspeed

im done with stocks or trading in general. when i made a lot of money i felt my heart was going to explode lmao. when i lost a tooon of money i felt sick like being 1 outed 1000bbs deep
realized poker nor any kind of trading is not for me. with sports bets it was fine since i didnt really bet a lot but it just consumed my time watching csgo nonstop for a month lol

 Last edit: 01/02/2021 13:59

Ket    United Kingdom. Feb 01 2021 14:10. Posts 8655

Sup Baal!! just to say I think you seem pretty well informed on this stuff (also how's life?!)


Santafairy   Korea (South). Feb 01 2021 17:34. Posts 2060

not all trades are on margin they have cash accounts also

I can't figure out definitively if buying was restricted on those as well

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

RiKD    United States. Feb 01 2021 22:13. Posts 6968


  On February 01 2021 08:50 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



Nope RobinHoods accounts are margin and the buy/sells are finalized 48h after, they aren't a stock exchange they are a broker but they dont execute the trades themselves, they also don't charge a fee for the trade, they make a profit by sharing the trade flow with Citadel.

Chamath Palihapitiya came down after Robinhood to promote SoFi which is owns, but it also does the exact same thing RH does with these free trades that just sell the info.




Damn, Wey,

I was becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Chamath but that tweet is telling. It is one thing to create something and just go about your business but it is another thing for Chamath to denigrate Facebook (and Robinhood), denigrate his work at Facebook growing the business from 20million to 1billion users, and claim that he would buy the Hamptons and convert it to homeless shelters when BTC gets to a certain number which I don't think he actually went on record to disclose AND THEN create and promote SoFi.

Maybe, it is like a JP Morgan Chase situation where internally researchers find out how serious climate change is but the executives silence it because they realize they have $800+ billion invested in fossil fuels.

Most likely, Chamath is being hypocritical and IT IS the responsibility of the (venture) capitalist to win the public relations game at any cost. If it is true that SoFi is selling retail order flow to Citadel or whoever you would think that the risk to Chamath's personal brand would perhaps not be worth it?

Hmmm, I don't know. It is an interesting development.

It is good for retail to be able to trade for free and buy fractional shares.

It is not good for hedge funds to use order flow info to front run trades or I mean really use that info for anything that hurts retail no?

So, I don't see how that business model is fair?


RiKD    United States. Feb 01 2021 22:45. Posts 6968


  On February 01 2021 09:14 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



All the investors I follow mentioned that thing about at some point, Chamath, Balajis and also the one you mentioned, Alex Wice look at their twitter for the info if you want.



Margin accounts need insurance, insurances require you to have collateral dictated by Dodd-Frank regulation, in fact also Nassim Taleb mocked the methodology (VaR) to dictate this collateral requirement.



  Why didn't the Chairman of Interactive Brokers or the CEO of Robinhood spin that information in a positive way when they went on their big tv appearances?



Don't know.

Why didn't they at least make an attempt?



  You are or were a Stephen Molyneux apologist. You've never really clarified that position. Maybe that is not relevant to this thread...



In 2005 I saw his videos about anarchism, his delivery is very passionate they resonated with me, a few years later he became a dad and all his videos were about "anarchic parenting/love" I became uninterested and never heard anything about him after a decade when apparently he became a statis and supported Trump and had many other dumb views, thast pretty much it.

But:


  I thought you were "Free Market" Ride or Die?

I agree with you that AOC is problematic, the hedge funds are problematic, the SEC is problematic, the corruption and cronyism is problematic, etc. I am surprised though that you are coming down so hard on the hedge funds. Ok, I get it. Elon Tusk builds great EVs and rockets. Jeff Bozos makes it simple to buy just about anything at cheap prices. Bill Ivey provides entertainment for Andy Beal, Guy Laliberte, and rando pumped up Chinese maniacs. Are they THAT much different than the hedge funds?

How would you refute my position that most or all corporations are essentially totalitarian regimes?



Do you think the state bailing out banks who busted in 08 sound like the free market to you? There is nothing about free market in the financial sector, its a controlled market through lobbying.

If your argument is that the free market will inevitably devolve into this then my counter-argument is that socialism will inevitably devolve into the deaths of millions from starvation.


Rent seeking is a mediocre way to earn a living, and the banks are the worst renk seekers they are, which would be tolerable if they played fair, but they don't, so fuck them and comparing them to Musk is stupid.





I was not aware of balajis. That is good to know.

In a Free Market don't hedge funds have absolute free reign to do whatever they want?

Front running, high frequency trading, collusion, etc. What do you do about that?

SpaceX, Tesla, and SolarCity all would have died with out US Government involvement. I don't believe that Peter Thiel, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet would have formed a Super Team to save those companies. But, what if it was a Free Market and they did save those companies? Then what?

The more we promote profit to the shareholders over all else the faster we collectively charge off a cliff into the infinite abyss.

Unless, we all want to bet on a 2v2v2 BGH for the Fate of the Galaxy!

Elon Musk x Peter Thiel vs Jeff Bozos x Jamie Dimon vs Bill Gates x Warren Buffet.

Maybe, if there was no government we'd be colonizing the Moon and Mars by now mining asteroids for resources and we would not have to give two shits about Earth! The only reason to keep Earth around would be to retain customers/consumers.

We would have the most glorious Generation IV Nuclear Reactors, Fusion Power, and CO^2 Scrubbers! You wouldn't even believe how clean the Air and Water would be! You wouldn't believe how tenable our Soil would be! The Soil we risked our Blood for!


hiems   United States. Feb 01 2021 23:31. Posts 2425

$gme $amc continuing to dive during afterhours.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

RiKD    United States. Feb 01 2021 23:41. Posts 6968

I thought this was an interesting developing news story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbe...every_single_person_and_news_channel/

I saw that Citadel was the fifth largest investor in silver. Silver is not a r/wallstreetbets meme stock so any corporate media outlet pushing it is not to be trusted.

I remember in the past JP Morgan Chase got in trouble for fraudulently pumping silver. Obviously, they were only charged a meager fine and profited bigly so they didn't give a shit. No accountability whatsoever.

HBSC in Mexico allowed cartels to launder insane amounts. Again, they got a relatively small fine and profited bigly. I wish I could remember exact amounts and I would have to study multiple articles to find the numbers again but look into it if you are interested.

And, fucking Janet Yellen is talking shit about Crytpo when the central banking system launders trillions of dollars a year.


lostaccount   Canada. Feb 02 2021 00:06. Posts 3649


  On February 01 2021 22:31 hiems wrote:
$gme $amc continuing to dive during afterhours.



its a laddar attack look at volume no one is selling

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 02 2021 03:54. Posts 33969


  On February 01 2021 13:10 Ket wrote:
Sup Baal!! just to say I think you seem pretty well informed on this stuff (also how's life?!)



My man, whats up?

I was too slow to pivot to PLO as you did long ago but I pivoted early on BTC so its all good

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 02 2021 04:03. Posts 33969


  On February 01 2021 21:13 RiKD wrote:
Show nested quote +



Damn, Wey,

I was becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Chamath but that tweet is telling. It is one thing to create something and just go about your business but it is another thing for Chamath to denigrate Facebook (and Robinhood), denigrate his work at Facebook growing the business from 20million to 1billion users, and claim that he would buy the Hamptons and convert it to homeless shelters when BTC gets to a certain number which I don't think he actually went on record to disclose AND THEN create and promote SoFi.

Maybe, it is like a JP Morgan Chase situation where internally researchers find out how serious climate change is but the executives silence it because they realize they have $800+ billion invested in fossil fuels.

Most likely, Chamath is being hypocritical and IT IS the responsibility of the (venture) capitalist to win the public relations game at any cost. If it is true that SoFi is selling retail order flow to Citadel or whoever you would think that the risk to Chamath's personal brand would perhaps not be worth it?

Hmmm, I don't know. It is an interesting development.

It is good for retail to be able to trade for free and buy fractional shares.

It is not good for hedge funds to use order flow info to front run trades or I mean really use that info for anything that hurts retail no?

So, I don't see how that business model is fair?



Its not good for retail to actively trade, for the same reason why its not good for retail to play poker... its a 0 sum game against better opponents, rake or no rake won't change much for them.

Most people will lose money on this GME squeeze when the other funds and whales dump it and it goes back to its real price.

It would be good if they invested long term in companies they believe in, in which case the fees are irrelevant.

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 02 2021 04:07. Posts 33969


  On February 01 2021 22:41 RiKD wrote:
And, fucking Janet Yellen is talking shit about Crytpo when the central banking system launders trillions of dollars a year.



She also seems to be a big fan of Brrrrrrrrrr... economics, so the future is looking bright for BTC.

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RiKD    United States. Feb 02 2021 04:27. Posts 6968

Official Statement E-Mail Robinhood sent out an hour after the markets closed today:

A note from Robinhood

Hi RiKD,

We wanted to reach out to you after a transformative week in the markets to answer a question we know many of you are asking: “Why did Robinhood limit certain stocks?”

We understand that the temporary limits we placed on certain stocks this past week were frustrating for many, especially since we built Robinhood to expand access to investing. We have always sought to put our customers first and we want you to be able to invest on your own terms.

To help explain what happened and why we had to take action, we wrote a letter to our customers and captured the key understandings for you below:
For Robinhood to operate, we must meet clearinghouse deposit requirements to support customer trades.
Deposit requirements are determined in part by how much stock a firm’s customers hold. If a firm’s customers’ holdings are volatile, a broker (in this instance Robinhood) is obligated to meet higher deposit requirements.
Last week, in part due to volatility in some popular stocks, Robinhood’s deposit requirements rose tenfold. The combination of the deposit increase and the extraordinary increase in volume on these particular symbols led us to put temporary buying restrictions in place on a small number of those stocks.
We had to take steps to limit buying in those volatile stocks to ensure we could comfortably meet our deposit obligations. We didn’t want to stop people from buying stocks and we certainly weren’t trying to help hedge funds.
We hope you take away this: at Robinhood, we stand with everyday investors participating in the markets. Standing by our Robinhood community means being there for our customers through any trading environment. We’ll continue to improve as we break down barriers in the financial system to open it for all.

Thank you for being a part of the Robinhood community.
Sincerely,
The Robinhood Team

____________________________


"We have always sought to put our customers first"

You mean hedge funds?

"we certainly weren’t trying to help hedge funds."

Even though that is your business plan?

Business Plan:

Attract retail with rake free gambling and keep their attention with next level market leading user interface and user experience all the while selling all order flow info to Citadel, et al. IE hedge funds.

Notice they don't mention Dodd-Frank or regulation once?

My guess is that they do not want to even approach calling out the US Government, the SEC, or Wall Street. They would not dare touch them with a ten foot pole.



RiKD    United States. Feb 02 2021 05:19. Posts 6968


  On February 02 2021 03:07 Baalim wrote:
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She also seems to be a big fan of Brrrrrrrrrr... economics, so the future is looking bright for BTC.




My brother is an Internet nerd at heart and a PhD in Physics so no dummy but man I think the Establishment might have him.

Recently, I have been sending him stuff and bothering him. I offered to buy him a wallet, ship it to my PO box, ship it to him and send him $100 in BTC and he just doesn't show any interest. It boggles my mind.

Honestly, I think the main reason is that his wife is the biggest square of all time and would get mad at him for messing around with Crypto. I will turn them both eventually. Hopefully, before their massive 401ks are worth nothing...

My mom knows that my brother-in-law and myself have Crypto and she made some condescending comment the other night shaped by some New York Times article she read. I just shook my head and played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe but realized I was a bit tilted by the comment when I was playing like shit. Then, I had a l'esprit de l'escalier moment like 10 min. later that I should of SNAP responded, "DON'T DENIGRATE WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" I can't really say this to her with any effect 15 min. later so I am still simmering but then I play The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and eventually forget about it.

The point is I am all-in on BTC at this point so I forget how early we still are. My brother-in-law can be a bit of a maniac trying to trade alt-coins and he holds his money in an exchange but at least he is in the mix. I will eventually convert everyone I know or I guess they will just stay poor.


lostaccount   Canada. Feb 02 2021 08:15. Posts 3649

Bro just be a billionaire and show them. When they see u rich as f then they will believe

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Ket    United Kingdom. Feb 02 2021 12:05. Posts 8655


  On January 30 2021 20:16 locoo wrote:
It's fun watching the hypocritical posturing on both sides as the hedge fund guys try to say they’re the victims, and the yolo WSB crowd out to try to game the system for a buck try to justify stock manipulation as a rebellious act. All while being used to advance the agenda of opportunistic and scary political figures like AOC and her "tax the rich" (I think she means eat the rich) mantra. Anyway made a few bucks on AMC so keep the fight going. I'll keep buying support and selling into strenght.

Also if you haven't you should watch both the Webull CEO and the Robinhood CEO (co founder?) talking about the issue. It's obvious the latter is fucked and is trying to minimize losses by lying, seeing how the former is being so much more open about what really happened.


sup locoo hope all is well with family.. great post and agree 100%, going to be a real unpopular take on the interwebs but there is plenty of claimed nobility and zero actual nobility on either side. we're wired for fomo and crowd behaviour.. see a stock chart going parabolic, reddit meme bros piling in, a compelling "stick it to the man, they'll have to cover shorts at any price" narrative and that's a powerfomo irresistible cocktail to pile in right behind and add further fuel which in turn gets more fomo redditors in. ofcourse the real motivation is greed and fomo. Nothing wrong with those things and i like participating in zero sum socially unproductive games with money as much as the next guy but let's not kid ourselves into legitimising all this as some kind of occupy wall st social protest.

ha good observation on the opportunism of politicians hijacking the bandwagon of the day to advance the pet cause.. eat the rich indeed


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 02 2021 12:42. Posts 9629

I'd feel same holding money in certain exchanges e.g. bitstamp is EU regulated.

You have to know that probably 90%+ of people don't even know how money is issued in the current system they are living in.... imagine their knowledge about crypto


hiems   United States. Feb 02 2021 14:29. Posts 2425


  On February 02 2021 04:19 RiKD wrote:
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My brother is an Internet nerd at heart and a PhD in Physics so no dummy but man I think the Establishment might have him.

Recently, I have been sending him stuff and bothering him. I offered to buy him a wallet, ship it to my PO box, ship it to him and send him $100 in BTC and he just doesn't show any interest. It boggles my mind.

Honestly, I think the main reason is that his wife is the biggest square of all time and would get mad at him for messing around with Crypto. I will turn them both eventually. Hopefully, before their massive 401ks are worth nothing...

My mom knows that my brother-in-law and myself have Crypto and she made some condescending comment the other night shaped by some New York Times article she read. I just shook my head and played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe but realized I was a bit tilted by the comment when I was playing like shit. Then, I had a l'esprit de l'escalier moment like 10 min. later that I should of SNAP responded, "DON'T DENIGRATE WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" I can't really say this to her with any effect 15 min. later so I am still simmering but then I play The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and eventually forget about it.

The point is I am all-in on BTC at this point so I forget how early we still are. My brother-in-law can be a bit of a maniac trying to trade alt-coins and he holds his money in an exchange but at least he is in the mix. I will eventually convert everyone I know or I guess they will just stay poor.



why do u have a po box

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hiems   United States. Feb 02 2021 16:58. Posts 2425

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lostaccount   Canada. Feb 02 2021 20:05. Posts 3649

Diamonds ???? hands hand ????

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hiems   United States. Feb 02 2021 22:18. Posts 2425

DeepFuckingValue down -13million today jesus.

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 02 2021 23:12. Posts 33969


  On February 02 2021 11:05 Ket wrote:
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sup locoo hope all is well with family.. great post and agree 100%, going to be a real unpopular take on the interwebs but there is plenty of claimed nobility and zero actual nobility on either side. we're wired for fomo and crowd behaviour.. see a stock chart going parabolic, reddit meme bros piling in, a compelling "stick it to the man, they'll have to cover shorts at any price" narrative and that's a powerfomo irresistible cocktail to pile in right behind and add further fuel which in turn gets more fomo redditors in. ofcourse the real motivation is greed and fomo. Nothing wrong with those things and i like participating in zero sum socially unproductive games with money as much as the next guy but let's not kid ourselves into legitimising all this as some kind of occupy wall st social protest.

ha good observation on the opportunism of politicians hijacking the bandwagon of the day to advance the pet cause.. eat the rich indeed


I hard agree with both thats why I posted about Robinhood's reason to halt trade on GME. its very tempting to live in a white and black world, everything makes sense and its full of passion and its easy to be on the good team, but it requires a conscious effort to grow out of it, to mature and realize things are much more complex.

I don't think Citadel is the death star and WalllStreetBets guys are the Jedi rebels flying their longs into the exhaust port, it is tempting but its too simplistic, but I am very glad to see the hedgefunds doing shitty shorts manipulating the markett hurting workers getting rekt by "retail"..

Hedge funds haven't learned the lessons of "old money", instead of taking the L and kept quiet they showed their muscles and for very little gain just getting their heads an inch closer to the guillotine.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 02 2021 23:38. Posts 9629


  On February 01 2021 08:51 Spitfiree wrote:
This week we're going to see a lot of people lose a lot of money that they can't afford to



WSB reddit was filled with 'we going to 1k$+ bois' and naturally the market has a heavy dump


RiKD    United States. Feb 03 2021 01:35. Posts 6968


  On February 02 2021 13:29 hiems wrote:
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why do u have a po box



I think Jameson Lopp (@lopp) suggested it and the idea stuck.

I was posting about wallets on Reddit and encountered multiple scamming attempts there. Then, I did something at some point to trigger phishing attempts on my mobile phone. A PO box in my location is $80/yr and that just seems like nothing if it will improve security. I've never actually sat down and done the math and it is true that the USPS has all of my info so my decision could be trivial/wrong but it basically boils down to "Jameson Lopp is much sharper than me on these matters. $80/yr + the hassle of having to leave the house to get certain shipments is not a big deal so I will just do it with out doing a super deep dive on the matter."


RiKD    United States. Feb 03 2021 02:30. Posts 6968

The very first point on this morning's WSJ "The 10-Point." daily e-mail feature is this:

"Silver futures settled an eight-year high in New York on Monday, the latest work by a loosely knit group of speculators who congregate on social-media platforms including Reddit’s WallStreetBets. Many of the stocks popular with the Reddit community declined Monday. GameStop fell 31% even as the broader U.S. market recovered some ground. The Dow industrials rose 0.8%, the S&P 500 1.6%, and the Nasdaq Composite 2.5%"

Obviously, WSJ is not to be trusted.

I would Kelly bet large amounts that Silver is getting fraudulently pumped again.

The chalk bet would be:

"JP Morgan’s silver success story began during the global recession. In 2008, JP Morgan took over Bear Stearns — a huge trader in silver futures derivatives — after its collapse. Shortly afterwards, JP Morgan began adding large amounts of silver bullion to its coffers, capitalizing on the precious metal’s price gain in 2011. JP Morgan now holds 133.1 million ounces of physical silver and the world record for most silver held under one name. Today, it also owns 50% of the world’s COMEX silver bullion. Their legacy is not altogether a positive one, however. Market analysts have repeatedly called out JP Morgan for alleged fraud and market manipulation."

- Metals.com

Btw, JP Morgan Chase got to buy Bear Stearns for $2/share at the optimal moment in 2008. (Inside Job)

I am not willing to do a super deep dive on this at this moment but the real bet would be something like:

Largest bet on chalk (JP Morgan Chase)
Subsequent bets including JP Morgan Chase + Citadel + whatever other hedge funds/entities could be involved.


locoo   Peru. Feb 03 2021 05:32. Posts 4558


  On February 02 2021 11:05 Ket wrote:
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sup locoo hope all is well with family.. great post and agree 100%, going to be a real unpopular take on the interwebs but there is plenty of claimed nobility and zero actual nobility on either side. we're wired for fomo and crowd behaviour.. see a stock chart going parabolic, reddit meme bros piling in, a compelling "stick it to the man, they'll have to cover shorts at any price" narrative and that's a powerfomo irresistible cocktail to pile in right behind and add further fuel which in turn gets more fomo redditors in. ofcourse the real motivation is greed and fomo. Nothing wrong with those things and i like participating in zero sum socially unproductive games with money as much as the next guy but let's not kid ourselves into legitimising all this as some kind of occupy wall st social protest.

ha good observation on the opportunism of politicians hijacking the bandwagon of the day to advance the pet cause.. eat the rich indeed


Hey Ket my bro how is it going?! Everything is good here, except for the pandemic and the fact that Peruvian government has handled this the worst out of most if not all the other countries. Luckily me and the wife work at home so it hasn't really affected us... yet, but it has affected negatively virtually everyone around us so it's still a difficult time. I wish and hope that you are doing well!

As for the topic at hand, it was clear this was gonna happen. I just hope not too many people got destroyed. I read one post in a trading discord group from a middle aged teacher that was pretty concerned and said how this was her retirement money and that she couldn't afford to lose it. Of course it's dumb to bet it all on something like AMC, but still sad this probably burned a lot of people. Hopefully there's still a chance of a turn around.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 03 2021 11:24. Posts 9629

Is it weird that I don't have empathy towards people that put their savings into a gamble? Maybe pre-Internet it would've made sense since you didn't have all the information in the world to make an educated decision ... but nowadays? Gambling with money you can't lose is probably among the stupidest shit you could do


Ket    United Kingdom. Feb 03 2021 12:36. Posts 8655


  On February 02 2021 22:12 Baalim wrote:
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I hard agree with both thats why I posted about Robinhood's reason to halt trade on GME. its very tempting to live in a white and black world, everything makes sense and its full of passion and its easy to be on the good team, but it requires a conscious effort to grow out of it, to mature and realize things are much more complex.

I don't think Citadel is the death star and WalllStreetBets guys are the Jedi rebels flying their longs into the exhaust port, it is tempting but its too simplistic, but I am very glad to see the hedgefunds doing shitty shorts manipulating the markett hurting workers getting rekt by "retail"..

Hedge funds haven't learned the lessons of "old money", instead of taking the L and kept quiet they showed their muscles and for very little gain just getting their heads an inch closer to the guillotine.


Mutually agree 100% on all pts. "Robinhood part of the fu rich establishment in cahoots with hedge funds to steal your money and look after themselves" another compelling "99% vs 1%" narrative for the disenfranchised. You nailed the point on clearinghouse deposit req for brokers in the T+2 settlement window and I'm not sure if it was already mentioned in the thread (apols if it was) but to fulfil said requirement Robinhood had to emergency tap out their $500-600m bank credit lines and raise $3.4bn from investors in just the past week (which is not far from being 2x the cumulative capital Robinhood has raised before). There's not really a theoretical upper limit on what a stock can get at in a big short sqz so it was kind of an existential situation for the broker to limit trading to not blow up. Still a lousy thing to happen that conveniently also favours one side of the trade and comes with loads of knock on consequences.

also agreed on the guillotine getting closer point.. last year been admittedly kind of grotesque with the everything rally of all assets in terms of widening the gap between haves and have nots, widen disenfranchisement and the longer it continues the closer we are to hard left govts where everybody loses


RiKD    United States. Feb 03 2021 13:31. Posts 6968

Great discourse on GME and other:



3 points:

- I don't have a timestamp and I'm not going to look because I have too much to do atm but TD Ameritrade if I remember correctly closed GME buys after market closing the day before the Robinhood fiasco. I know for a fact when RH closed GME, AMC, PLTR, et al. for buying because at 9:25 AM EST I was getting ready to buy the dip on GME or AMC and I owned PLTR and at that point I was unable to even look up the stock info. There was no warning from RH.

- RH is bare minimum negligent in this situation. They talk about it in above video.

- Who is responsible for shutting down r/wallstreetbets and the r/wsb discord at the optimal timing for non-retail?

Free speech will continue to be a big issue moving forward.

PS,

Ket: "hard left govts where everybody loses"
Baalim: "socialism where everyone starves to death"

I am debating taking the opposite position but I'm not sure I have the time, energy, focus to commit to that right now and I am unsure if it would be fun or productive.

Your positions are certainly not drawing dead by any means. This Perfect Day, 1984, and many more can imagine some of the bad outcomes...

Yeah, I will just say:

Have a nice day.


hiems   United States. Feb 03 2021 14:03. Posts 2425

RiKD please stop trolling this fucking forum.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 03 2021 14:17. Posts 9629

That's why the CNN dude shat on Vlad though. There are two options for Robinhood:

A) They were puppets being told what to do
B) They had liquidity issues - which they did and that's how A) came into play.


This is probably the best company suicide I've seen prior to a IPO in the history of markets

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RiKD    United States. Feb 04 2021 11:47. Posts 6968


  On February 03 2021 13:03 hiems wrote:
RiKD please stop trolling this fucking forum.



One day you will love me if you do not already you great, big, gas-lighting son of a bitch.

"Listen dummy, you have terrible bedside manner... Let's hug it out, bitch." – Jeremy Piven


RiKD    United States. Feb 04 2021 11:50. Posts 6968

ps,

i absolutely love your Stevie Corhan meme at the top of this page. Excellent work. 5 Golden Stars.

BFF,

RiK DuDeRiNo


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 04 2021 12:29. Posts 9629

RiKD killing hiems with kindness, love it :D


Ket    United Kingdom. Feb 04 2021 13:27. Posts 8655


  On February 03 2021 12:31 RiKD wrote:
Yeah, I will just say:

Have a nice day.


Excellent way to leave it. I am very confident that spending time and energy arguing politics on the internet is not the way to go and I apologise for my part in inadvertently risking inviting it. Well played sir


Baalim   Mexico. Feb 05 2021 02:18. Posts 33969


  On February 03 2021 12:31 RiKD wrote:

- Who is responsible for shutting down r/wallstreetbets and the r/wsb discord at the optimal timing for non-retail?

Free speech will continue to be a big issue moving forward.



The reason given for closing WallSteetBets on reddit was hate speech and this is precisely why I've been a fervent advocate for free speech while dumbfucks in the left in their attempts to shut down aything against woever is the victim of the week are building a crudgel for the powerful to shut down what they don't like.

I have doubts of many of my political positions, but this is the one I'm most certain of, In fact I kind of use it as litmut test. I vividly remember Loco posting about supporting censorship and calling free speech "libertarian free speech", knowing him for many years before he even talked about politics I knew that he had fallen deep into a dogma.

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RiKD    United States. Feb 05 2021 13:14. Posts 6968

/reduction

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RiKD    United States. Feb 05 2021 14:54. Posts 6968


  On February 05 2021 12:14 RiKD wrote:
quick thoughts:

i don't think trump should have been permanently banned from twitter
same for alex jones, milo, ppl who dead-name or misuse pronouns or really anyone

i mean these homo sapiens r banned for infiniti w/o any redemption?

seems extremely silly

i do like the provisions that germany have put in to their constitution. i don't remember the exact language but my interpretation was that it protects against violence and danger (also doxxing) in a reasonable way. of course, that is my interpretation of a german document translated into english and lawyers and politicians are gon' lawyer and politik.

i saw today that vaush is back on twitch and that is a really good thing. other social media outlets should follow that precedent. (jails/prisons too)

the right cheers when the left gets censored and the left cheers when the right gets censored. it != smart.

i'm not saying some qanon, nazi, kkk members should never be censored and i'm not saying antifa, stalinists, *shanzai marxists should never be censored. the thing is what has happened and what will most likely happen in the future is the state passes draconian laws against 1 group that ends up adversely affecting almost all humans. typically, it won't effect the ruling class and in many cases it will benefit them. cia, central bank, military industrial complex, et al.

maybe i don't want to bring this back up but i think it is important. in the case of antifa: if someone hates antifa and is vehemently against them then what does that make that person? duh duh Doge! (@donk_enby)

everyone is programmed in their own certain ways. it's not good to hate anyone. i think the key is how do we get to rehabilitation/redemption?

re-education camps for the gays in indiana (mike pence), muslims in china, gulags in russia... really too many negative examples to mention...

i would like to here loco's current position on this.

i remember posting on here about what is the Signal (@moxie) of email and i realized last night that loco has been using encrypted email since i've been communicating with him many years ago. he is ahead of the curve on many things and clearly a sharp, deep thinker as well as incredibly well read.

it may be good timing to re-explore this topic.



*clarification required:

shanzhai marxism is not inherently bad. just what came to my mind at the time. i will need evidence to change my mind that maoist shanzhai marxism and the results are not net negative for animals, humans, and the planet earth. in many cases i <3 shanzhai. maybe not the time to go H•A•M on that topic... the key is who (or what group of who) is responsible for the shanzhai and how it is applied.


RiKD    United States. Feb 05 2021 15:00. Posts 6968

frthmr almst all of my knwldg of shanzhai is from Shanzhai – Byung-Chul Han (must read imo)

i also grw up in usa. prgrm usa strng still. i dnt actually knw much ~ china.

i like the west. i like s korea, jpn, & thailand more than china frm lmtd info i have.


whammbot   Belarus. Feb 05 2021 16:00. Posts 489

wallstreetbets was always a meme sub where degens show off their sick gambles and shit. it's sad looking at all new people treating it like some "hot stock tips" site haha


RiKD    United States. Feb 05 2021 21:05. Posts 6968

sme ddece info

lrg noise 2 sgnl


lostaccount   Canada. Feb 06 2021 00:40. Posts 3649

rikd what are u taking? i want some

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RiKD    United States. Feb 06 2021 01:12. Posts 6968

i am high on p#^x

p#^x = (? ? ? + +r? ?) • • • ad infitum

i think that it might explain the universe + consciousness or at least work towards that

potentially prove simulation + make aliens probable or in fact inevitable.




RiKD    United States. Feb 06 2021 01:16. Posts 6968

damn

lp doesn't show symbols

it would be impossible to solve

p#^x = (infinity plus positive real number as it approaches infinity) • • • ad infinitum

i'm no maths pro i've just been fucking around with it b/c i have been finding it fun.

open source, peer-review, all day nukka


Baalim   Mexico. Feb 06 2021 06:52. Posts 33969

gave him a 24h ban so he sobers up

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lostaccount   Canada. Feb 06 2021 17:00. Posts 3649

Free rikd!!!

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 08 2021 19:25. Posts 3649

close to 200$ again rocket time. I have some action this is shit

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RiKD    United States. Mar 09 2021 02:47. Posts 6968

Probably a wise ban. I remember when i first saw the ban i thought it was perma and i was getting fired up even though anything shiny would have distracted me and gotten me on another tangent.

Long story short: My Doctor told my parents to take me to the emergency room/psych holding area. I finally see a doctor after many hours. He asks me if i want to harm anyone. I go on a long rant about how i am going to kill Nancy Pelosi and Vladimir Putin. The doctor was very nerdy and very young and i think i freaked him out. The next thing i know i am in handcuffs and getting escorted to the psych ward by the police.

I feel reasonably well today though so that is good.


Baalim   Mexico. Mar 09 2021 07:46. Posts 33969


  On March 09 2021 01:47 RiKD wrote:
Probably a wise ban. I remember when i first saw the ban i thought it was perma and i was getting fired up even though anything shiny would have distracted me and gotten me on another tangent.

Long story short: My Doctor told my parents to take me to the emergency room/psych holding area. I finally see a doctor after many hours. He asks me if i want to harm anyone. I go on a long rant about how i am going to kill Nancy Pelosi and Vladimir Putin. The doctor was very nerdy and very young and i think i freaked him out. The next thing i know i am in handcuffs and getting escorted to the psych ward by the police.

I feel reasonably well today though so that is good.



wow wtf, you stopped taking your meds or waht happened?

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blackjacki2   United States. Mar 09 2021 11:19. Posts 2524

Of course I am not privy to the details but I'd be willing to bet that you were sent to a psych ward not because the doctor was "freaked out" (ER doctors deal with this every single day they work) but because that's the appropriate place to send someone having a mental health crisis


hiems   United States. Mar 09 2021 14:32. Posts 2425

sheesh @ handcuffs, thats rough.

hope you find your way in life.

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 09 2021 16:01. Posts 3649


  On March 09 2021 13:32 hiems wrote:
sheesh @ handcuffs, thats rough.

hope you find your way in life.



Been there rikd I got hand cuff to the psych ward to before many times

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RiKD    United States. Mar 09 2021 17:13. Posts 6968


  On March 09 2021 06:46 Baalim wrote:
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wow wtf, you stopped taking your meds or waht happened?


No. I think it is a combination of things. 9 or 10 months ago today i had a Lithium level taken and it was low but in the reasonable range. Lithium is a great drug for me but it is very difficult to dose correctly. Firstly, i have gained about 30 lbs. over Covid. Secondly, i was on a sleep schedule where i was going to bed maybe 30 min. to an hour or 2 hours later every night and when i was trying to fix my schedule i would stay up long hours so i could go to bed at sunset/early in the night so i wouldn't be on the graveyard/vampire shift. I would take my medications consistently about an hour or so before i went to sleep but over a course of 6 months due to my sleep schedule there was less Lithium in my system than there should have been if i was taking it the same time every night. I now set an alarm and take it the same time every night regardless of when i go to sleep. The Seroquel has a sedative effect so i am typically not getting into too much about 40 min. after ingestion so i am mostly winding down and in bed at a reasonable hour these days too. Lastly, i think my sleep schedule mixed with the storming of the capital, getting heavily involved in the gamestop situation and just general uncertainties in my life set me off.


lostaccount   Canada. Mar 09 2021 17:41. Posts 3649

I took lithium before too but I got off that shit

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RiKD    United States. Mar 09 2021 18:03. Posts 6968


  On March 09 2021 10:19 blackjacki2 wrote:
Of course I am not privy to the details but I'd be willing to bet that you were sent to a psych ward not because the doctor was "freaked out" (ER doctors deal with this every single day they work) but because that's the appropriate place to send someone having a mental health crisis



The rant was mostly playful. Of course, i was in a situation that i thought it was playful to rant about killing politicians to a doctor. I thought it was funny. He definitely didn't think it was funny. The very first thing i did in that holding area was ball up a blanket and shoot a 3 pointer at the garbage can and i made it and was super happy and then a nurse snapped at me and i realized that i should be very polite to the nurses so that i could go home. I was there for a while so i ended up making art for all of the nurses and i think most of them generally liked me and re-enforced that i would talk to the doctor shortly and go home. So, i had the expectation that i would be home shortly which was a bad expectation. I don't have the money to spend 10+ days in a psych ward. It's pretty easy to just up the doses on some of my meds and give me Ativan and let me be safe in the confines of my parents' home and let me sleep it off. So, going from voluntary to involuntary was rather annoying. My actual Psychiatrist that knows me advised that i have 0 violent history and 0 access to guns and that going involuntary was unnecessary but the whiz kids in the psych ward were happy to have me paying exorbitant rent to stay there. They even hired a forensics psychiatrist to interrogate me for 3 hours and a judge to decide if i was fit to leave. The forensics psychiatrist conclusion was that i put too much faith in the baalims and the hiems of the world when they may not have my best interests in mind. She said i was at risk to join a cult... I did not get to ask her about these claims. A cult? What cult? Like Alcoholics Anonymous? I am not even really a member there anymore. Scientology??? Something weird down in South America? I don't really have a clue what she means?

Then, one of the psychiatrists went on a lecture for far too long about staying away from Parler... I have never been on Parler. The most i am familiar with Parler is donk_enby's work extracting the Capital footage and archiving it all. In fact, i don't even know if Parler exists anymore due to Big Tech censorship.

At another meeting one of the docs was describing paranoid delusions as for example thinking the CIA is watching you... but... The CIA was watching me! I was under surveillance 24/7. Now, it is not true that the CIA was likely watching me at that moment but anyone who doesn't think the CIA have access to those cameras is an absolute dolt. I decided it was best to just bite my tongue and smile and nod until the meeting was over.

Oh well. I have a million stories from my time in there because basically everyone is fascinating but i don't think it's the time or the place for that.


hiems   United States. Mar 09 2021 19:18. Posts 2425


  On March 09 2021 15:01 lostaccount wrote:
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Been there rikd I got hand cuff to the psych ward to before many times


lol wtf. did not expect this.

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blackjacki2   United States. Mar 09 2021 22:26. Posts 2524


  On March 09 2021 17:03 RiKD wrote:
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The rant was mostly playful. Of course, i was in a situation that i thought it was playful to rant about killing politicians to a doctor. I thought it was funny. He definitely didn't think it was funny. The very first thing i did in that holding area was ball up a blanket and shoot a 3 pointer at the garbage can and i made it and was super happy and then a nurse snapped at me and i realized that i should be very polite to the nurses so that i could go home. I was there for a while so i ended up making art for all of the nurses and i think most of them generally liked me and re-enforced that i would talk to the doctor shortly and go home. So, i had the expectation that i would be home shortly which was a bad expectation. I don't have the money to spend 10+ days in a psych ward. It's pretty easy to just up the doses on some of my meds and give me Ativan and let me be safe in the confines of my parents' home and let me sleep it off. So, going from voluntary to involuntary was rather annoying. My actual Psychiatrist that knows me advised that i have 0 violent history and 0 access to guns and that going involuntary was unnecessary but the whiz kids in the psych ward were happy to have me paying exorbitant rent to stay there. They even hired a forensics psychiatrist to interrogate me for 3 hours and a judge to decide if i was fit to leave. The forensics psychiatrist conclusion was that i put too much faith in the baalims and the hiems of the world when they may not have my best interests in mind. She said i was at risk to join a cult... I did not get to ask her about these claims. A cult? What cult? Like Alcoholics Anonymous? I am not even really a member there anymore. Scientology??? Something weird down in South America? I don't really have a clue what she means?

Then, one of the psychiatrists went on a lecture for far too long about staying away from Parler... I have never been on Parler. The most i am familiar with Parler is donk_enby's work extracting the Capital footage and archiving it all. In fact, i don't even know if Parler exists anymore due to Big Tech censorship.

At another meeting one of the docs was describing paranoid delusions as for example thinking the CIA is watching you... but... The CIA was watching me! I was under surveillance 24/7. Now, it is not true that the CIA was likely watching me at that moment but anyone who doesn't think the CIA have access to those cameras is an absolute dolt. I decided it was best to just bite my tongue and smile and nod until the meeting was over.

Oh well. I have a million stories from my time in there because basically everyone is fascinating but i don't think it's the time or the place for that.


*Surprised Pikachu face* when you get sent to the ER for a psych eval and you think that's the appropriate time to joke about murdering politicians and end up getting yourself sent to the psych ward.

This whole post seems to lack insight into your condition. Even people on this forum were able to recognize that you were either high on drugs or having some kind of psychotic episode (turned out to be the latter) but all the doctors were wrong for admitting you to a psych ward? A psychiatric hold in most states is good for 72 hours, so if you were there for 10+ days then it certainly wasn't just because the young nerdy ER doctor got freaked out. Multiple doctors agreed that not only should you be involuntary but that it should be extended beyond the 72 hours. I encourage you to reflect on yourself and their reasonings for why they did that instead of just dismissing it as them wanting to collect "rent." Maybe also reconsider if the CIA would really give a shit about the daily routine happenings in a random psych ward among the individuals on the lowest rung in our society

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 09 2021 22:27. Posts 9629


  On March 09 2021 17:03 RiKD wrote:
Then, one of the psychiatrists went on a lecture for far too long about staying away from Parler... I have never been on Parler


You were saying that you wanna kill Nancy Pelosi, he had that information. So he assumed you are an alt-right kinda dude


lostaccount   Canada. Mar 09 2021 23:50. Posts 3649


  On March 09 2021 18:18 hiems wrote:
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lol wtf. did not expect this.



Haha all good now I am healing now.

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 10 2021 00:32. Posts 3649

wasnt easy to find peace during the rough times but i am happy now

grateful for god

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 10 2021 00:33. Posts 3649

but back to gme mooning i need to go to the moon one day

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hiems   United States. Mar 10 2021 05:11. Posts 2425


  On March 09 2021 23:32 lostaccount wrote:
wasnt easy to find peace during the rough times but i am happy now

grateful for god



Nice.

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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 10 2021 06:07. Posts 33969


  On March 09 2021 21:26 blackjacki2 wrote:
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*Surprised Pikachu face* when you get sent to the ER for a psych eval and you think that's the appropriate time to joke about murdering politicians and end up getting yourself sent to the psych ward.

This whole post seems to lack insight into your condition. Even people on this forum were able to recognize that you were either high on drugs or having some kind of psychotic episode (turned out to be the latter) but all the doctors were wrong for admitting you to a psych ward? A psychiatric hold in most states is good for 72 hours, so if you were there for 10+ days then it certainly wasn't just because the young nerdy ER doctor got freaked out. Multiple doctors agreed that not only should you be involuntary but that it should be extended beyond the 72 hours. I encourage you to reflect on yourself and their reasonings for why they did that instead of just dismissing it as them wanting to collect "rent." Maybe also reconsider if the CIA would really give a shit about the daily routine happenings in a random psych ward among the individuals on the lowest rung in our society



Agreed 100%, your post lacks insight in your condition, you were held in a mental facility because that was the correct thing to do with someone having a mental episode like you were, as long as you don't see it you probably won't get much better.

The mentioning of the CIA is a huge tell that you are still unwell and they are right you are ripe for a cult, and as mentioned by someonen else, since you mentioned Pelosi they feared you would join a rightwing one, not knowingly you joined the left wing one lol.

Rik it has been a long time since I've felt you are doing well, you have been unhinged and rambly and most importantly very unhappy for years now, you need to change something, the meds or work on yourself and not just read and ramble or something.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 10 2021 10:15. Posts 4945

Those doctors seem clueless to me based on what you've said rikd.

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 10 2021 14:33. Posts 3649


  On March 10 2021 04:11 hiems wrote:
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Nice.


Neilly was part of the reason I got psychosis. As an empath I absorb his crazy unstable energy now I’m stronger than ever. If it doesn’t kill U makes u stronger eh

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 10 2021 15:12. Posts 3649

He also tried to blackmail me cause I had a mental breakdown what a guy but I forgive him lol he thought I was ashamed but I am transparent

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hiems   United States. Mar 10 2021 17:28. Posts 2425

Didnt you lose your bankroll during that time? I'd go kind of crazy too tbh. Its impressive you came back from something like that.

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 10 2021 17:41. Posts 3649

I didn’t lose it, gave a lot away and spent the rest that’s why my parents took control of my assets. Not getting them back till I get married. I have like 11k net worth that I control

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hiems   United States. Mar 10 2021 19:15. Posts 2425


  On March 10 2021 16:41 lostaccount wrote:
I didn’t lose it, gave a lot away and spent the rest that’s why my parents took control of my assets. Not getting them back till I get married. I have like 11k net worth that I control



well regardless of who controls it at least you have the br.

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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 10 2021 22:20. Posts 33969

wow you guys have been through rough shit, this is becoming a emotional support forum more than a poker one and I'm ok with that lol.


back on RikD it feels to me as his psychiatrist doesn't push him enough, It seems your bipolarity leans towards mania and you use your energy rumiating ideas to the point you become unstable, I think you should DO more things that you enjoy, and yes you lose motivation quickly like painting or making pizzas but you should push through it, especially because often the reasons are silly like inconpetence, well of course you will suck thats the point, slowly master it, that is where most of the enjoyment comes from.

Why did you say that you were overvaluing specifically my input and that perhaps I dont have your best interest at heart, what do you mean with that?

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 11 2021 00:16. Posts 3649

Appreciate the suppprt Baal lol

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hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 03:02. Posts 2425


  On March 10 2021 21:20 Baalim wrote:
wow you guys have been through rough shit, this is becoming a emotional support forum more than a poker one and I'm ok with that lol.


back on RikD it feels to me as his psychiatrist doesn't push him enough, It seems your bipolarity leans towards mania and you use your energy rumiating ideas to the point you become unstable, I think you should DO more things that you enjoy, and yes you lose motivation quickly like painting or making pizzas but you should push through it, especially because often the reasons are silly like inconpetence, well of course you will suck thats the point, slowly master it, that is where most of the enjoyment comes from.

Why did you say that you were overvaluing specifically my input and that perhaps I dont have your best interest at heart, what do you mean with that?



Correction:

Back to RIKD : Step 1. go catch a plane somewhere and go pay some hooker whatever you need to get laid bro.

How long has it been since you had sex? A normal person can't stay sane the way you are right now imo. This might even motivate you to get back to work and make money again.

Go hit up the Argentine woman that drank your jizz from the condom or something lol.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 03:36. Posts 6968

You are right that my bipolarity leans towards mania but i still get bad depressions. I was in a pit of depression in the summer of 2020 but luckily i know how to ride those out at this point with out killing myself (so far).

It's not even necessarily how i "use" my ideas. This last mania i remember one day i went to sleep at probably 3am and then woke up at 5am and jumped out of bed to solve a mathematical/philosophical problem i was thinking about. I really have no idea how long it took me to do... maybe 1 hour? But, i had been thinking about it for days. It felt like nothing. When everything seemed logically sound it was like finally i was free to get some food (i was very hungry).

Every day i went for a walk on the beach. Every day it was a new adventure. One of the days probably at its worst every 20 yards i felt compelled to draw some art, create a puzzle, or encode some message many times maybe all 3 at once. Some times the puzzles were very simple like the first move in chess or even simpler the next move in tic tac toe. Sometimes the puzzles were impossible to decode because only i have the keys to decryption or i flat out just made some stupid error somewhere that didn't make sense. I would have much preferred to just enjoy the sun, take a slow walk, feel the breeze, and watch the birds but when i am approaching infinity i end up doing whatever it is i end up doing to cope with that idea.

Another example of DOing i was DOing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and my partner was sometimes my partner, sometimes Jay-Z giving me wisdom, and sometimes Phil Ivey giving me wisdom. When stuff like that happens to me i really just have to sort of cling to whatever reality is there but it is tough because it was literally the facial expressions and voices of Jay-Z and Phil Ivey. I guess BJJ is still a good activity because my training partner will get a limb or strangle me if i am not alert and focused on the right things and after a hard roll for 2-3 hours there is a calmness that settles in but no that didn't happen on that day. It's hard to ever reach a calmness when i am hallucinating things.

I still paint by the way. I may stop for some time but that is probably something i will always come back to.

Being employed at Amazon is miserable. Just because there are positive attributes to cooking and making pizzas does not mean that that can overcome the terribleness of Amazon as an employer. I still cook and make pizzas for my parents. I enjoy cooking for people. I don't enjoy cooking for people as an occupation. But, actually, if the "Chef" @ Food Not Bombs asked me to join the team in the kitchen at her restaurant i would consider it. I will never consider employment @ Amazon unless it was a white collar job that didn't suck which is just never going to happen in my existence.

I was just ribbing you and hiems. I don't know about hiems but i don't think you have ever said anything deliberately to harm me. Sometimes i think your opinions are misguided but that happens to everyone at some point.

In context, i spoke to that forensics psychiatrist for 3 or more hours. One of the things she said was that i trust people online when i shouldn't but i never had the chance to ask her what she meant besides a different psychiatrist lecturing me for 10 min. about how i should stay away from parler. That meeting was only statements of what the forensics psychiatrist thought (she was not there) and then a room full of psychiatrists lecturing me with even more medical students observing. If i push back too hard in any way then the likelihood of me going home in the next couple of days go way down. I never got to see the forensics psychiatrist report or what she meant by anything that she said.

I told her i go to liquidpoker and know a lot of the people there for more than 10 years. I go to reddit.com. I specifically told her about GME. From her findings it made it sound like i go to reddit.com and put all my faith in random memes and shitposting. I specifically told her that i avoid doing this but w/e. I told her i go to twitter.com but understand that i myself curated who i follow and the algorithms lead to me being in a bubble. Just because i follow people from both sides i don't believe that i am outside of my bubble.

I actually listened to one of the recommendations. She said that i focus too much on negative news and that it upsets me. My reddit algorithm was very negative news heavy and it made me realize that reddit was a shitty time suck altogether. I flat out told them that i am not going to avoid reputable independent media that may focus on a tough story but since getting back home i haven't been on reddit and don't really seek the endless injustices of the world. It is one thing to inform someone of clit mutilation in Africa if for some reason that topic comes up but much better is the other day i had a 30 min. chat with my sister about how to help suffering people in her local community. She is legit and looking to open up her own practice and wants me to help.

One last thing. It is not like this incident was my first rodeo. The only time i was truly uncomfortable was one night when i was trying to sleep and my heart was racing and i thought i was off to infinity again. Infinity = hell. Human brains can not comprehend infinity or at least my human brain even when it is super power manic can not comfortably experience infinity. The solution which has been proven is to allow my parents to sort my medication and give me Ativan so i calm down and am able to sleep. My parents get my keys. This is much preferable to the psych ward by far or the psychiatrists taking my driver's license for 3+ months.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 11 2021 03:48. Posts 4945

Those psychiatrists are straight bullshitting you, because they are the one's who belong to a cult that seriously beleives they can figure you out after knowing you for a couple of hours, which is hilarious. They're kinda like poker players that make massive reads off a 20 hand sample size. The people who know your mental health the best are decent family members and friends who have known you for a long time.

Also people joke about killing politicians all the time, hitler is a famous example and there's holywood movies honoring assassination plots of heydrich and hitler.

Waking up at 3am to solve a math problem is standard practice in the mathematics profession, except they think about math problems for several months, or years, not a few days. Lol.

Caring about the suffering of others is an honorable thing, particularly if you do something about it.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 03:55. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 02:02 hiems wrote:
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Correction:

Back to RIKD : Step 1. go catch a plane somewhere and go pay some hooker whatever you need to get laid bro.

How long has it been since you had sex? A normal person can't stay sane the way you are right now imo. This might even motivate you to get back to work and make money again.

Go hit up the Argentine woman that drank your jizz from the condom or something lol.


I just looked up flights to Buenos Aires... They are SUPER cheap right now. Once that stimulus check hits the checking account i could get up to some fun.... She was a top top escort though and that was ages ago. There is a chance one of my friends has one of her friends contact info. There is also a chance that she will end up being better at getting me off than any other woman on Earth. I am not doubting that there are other woman on Earth who could get me off better I am just unsure if i will ever meet those women at this point.

If i could pay say $100 for a dece pro and it would be almost certain that law enforcement would not get involved that would sure beat another night of masturbation even if the pornography is excellent.


Baalim   Mexico. Mar 11 2021 05:03. Posts 33969


  On March 11 2021 02:48 Stroggoz wrote:
Those psychiatrists are straight bullshitting you, because they are the one's who belong to a cult that seriously beleives they can figure you out after knowing you for a couple of hours, which is hilarious. They're kinda like poker players that make massive reads off a 20 hand sample size. The people who know your mental health the best are decent family members and friends who have known you for a long time.

Also people joke about killing politicians all the time, hitler is a famous example and there's holywood movies honoring assassination plots of heydrich and hitler.

Waking up at 3am to solve a math problem is standard practice in the mathematics profession, except they think about math problems for several months, or years, not a few days. Lol.

Caring about the suffering of others is an honorable thing, particularly if you do something about it.




Well yeah the psychiatrist have lilttle info and if they get someone on a psychotic break talking about killing Nancy Pelosi and mentioning Parler I think its wise to tell that person to keep off that place, this isn't a normal instance of somebody talking about killing Hitler.

Yes mathematicians do that, but Rik isn't one of them, doing that isn't a sign of mental health but of mania.

To Rik:

You halllucinate while doing BJJ? again it feels to me that your bipolar disorder is being handled very poorly, you dont like working in the food industry unless you work for a michelline star restaurant, you dont like painting if you are not producing masterpieces, this seems like a constant with you. you fantasize about archieving a very far and hard to reach goal, and since you are not there, you give up.

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blackjacki2   United States. Mar 11 2021 06:18. Posts 2524


  On March 11 2021 02:48 Stroggoz wrote:
Those psychiatrists are straight bullshitting you, because they are the one's who belong to a cult that seriously beleives they can figure you out after knowing you for a couple of hours, which is hilarious. They're kinda like poker players that make massive reads off a 20 hand sample size. The people who know your mental health the best are decent family members and friends who have known you for a long time.

Also people joke about killing politicians all the time, hitler is a famous example and there's holywood movies honoring assassination plots of heydrich and hitler.

Waking up at 3am to solve a math problem is standard practice in the mathematics profession, except they think about math problems for several months, or years, not a few days. Lol.

Caring about the suffering of others is an honorable thing, particularly if you do something about it.




This is just incredibly naive. The psychiatrists interviewed him for hours. You read the biased retelling of a story by someone with mental illness that was having an acute psychosis on a poker forum and you think you're a better judge of the situation than the psychiatrists? Give me a break. Also what is this "people joke about killing politicians all the time" bullshit as if a script of a hollywood movie is at all similar to someone in a manic episode.

You think his family knows him best - well they are the ones that took him to the ER for fucks sake. Also why do you think his psychiatrist told his parents to take him to the ER? He/she just randomly decided to fuck with one of their patients? Use some common sense to realize that his retelling of the situation is very biased and missing major details and then maybe you won't just assume the psych doctors are bullshitting him.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 11 2021 11:02. Posts 9629


  On March 11 2021 02:48 Stroggoz wrote:
Those psychiatrists are straight bullshitting you, because they are the one's who belong to a cult that seriously beleives they can figure you out after knowing you for a couple of hours, which is hilarious. They're kinda like poker players that make massive reads off a 20 hand sample size. The people who know your mental health the best are decent family members and friends who have known you for a long time.

Also people joke about killing politicians all the time, hitler is a famous example and there's holywood movies honoring assassination plots of heydrich and hitler.

Waking up at 3am to solve a math problem is standard practice in the mathematics profession, except they think about math problems for several months, or years, not a few days. Lol.

Caring about the suffering of others is an honorable thing, particularly if you do something about it.



I don't think any reasonable psychiatrist would believe they know you after speaking to you for a few hours. There's quite a lot of practice and training that they go through before anyone is even allowed to work in that field with real patients and they are quite aware of the amount of information they receive and the decision they're taking. I heavily doubt that RikD was simply doing only those things he obviously had a distorted view of reality, which while it might be helpful to experience on rare occasions with the influence of hallucinogens, it should be taken with serious consideration when it's a mental condition.

I could see how your notion could relate well to therapists (even though I haven't gone to therapy myself and this is one of the bigger reasons that I haven't gone - cba spending that much effort on finding someone that actually knows what they're doing)

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hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 14:16. Posts 2425

^As I've said before, you know you are on the right track when Spitfiree is arguing on the other side LOL

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hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 14:21. Posts 2425


  On March 11 2021 05:18 blackjacki2 wrote:
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This is just incredibly naive. The psychiatrists interviewed him for hours. You read the biased retelling of a story by someone with mental illness that was having an acute psychosis on a poker forum and you think you're a better judge of the situation than the psychiatrists? Give me a break. Also what is this "people joke about killing politicians all the time" bullshit as if a script of a hollywood movie is at all similar to someone in a manic episode.

You think his family knows him best - well they are the ones that took him to the ER for fucks sake. Also why do you think his psychiatrist told his parents to take him to the ER? He/she just randomly decided to fuck with one of their patients? Use some common sense to realize that his retelling of the situation is very biased and missing major details and then maybe you won't just assume the psych doctors are bullshitting him.


You guys both have points.

Stroggoz is indeed being very naive in actually taking RiKD's opinions seriously at this point in time. Maybe he is so honed in on his desire to overthrow the government that he wants RiKD to assassinate pelosi, lol.

On the other hand, Stroggoz is correct in pointing out that mental health professionals, psychologists, and the psychology industry as a whole is a massive cult/ponzi scheme. It does not surprise me at the backlash he is getting here. I think blackjack is more or less reasonable politics wise but it doesnt matter left or right they are all brainwashed by the cult.

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hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 14:26. Posts 2425

re : "The people who know your mental health the best are decent family members and friends who have known you for a long time."

The one thing I will say is that RiKD has the unfortunate position of having a cult-member in his family (I believe his sister is some sort of mental health professional). While he does have some good reasonable capitalist voices in his family (father and brother from what I can tell), he consistently chooses to always pick the easy, instant gratification route in his decision making and likely zones these voices out of his life and listens/gravitates more to his sister probably which is ironic because the mental health professional is the one worsening his condition long term. Same thing goes to the parasite Loco.

Honestly a part of me feels that out of all people in the world, I might be the most qualified person to offer any sort of counseling service to RiKD and help turn his life around lol.

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hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 14:47. Posts 2425


  On March 11 2021 04:03 Baalim wrote:


To Rik:

You halllucinate while doing BJJ? again it feels to me that your bipolar disorder is being handled very poorly, you dont like working in the food industry unless you work for a michelline star restaurant, you dont like painting if you are not producing masterpieces, this seems like a constant with you. you fantasize about archieving a very far and hard to reach goal, and since you are not there, you give up.



"you give up" -->

agreed.....and then he chooses the instant gratification route to posting on LP and alluding / re-living periods in his life where he was on top of the world. Same thing with socialism. He realizes he will never overcome the handicap at this point in his life to win at capitalism, so he brings down others' hard earned work and tries to create a society in which currency = social status instead of money (where he has more social status cause he has read philosophy, is more active in politics, paints, listens to more music, etc).

My honest opinion is at this point in his life it has come to a point where things are so messed up that its not even about tempering expectations to "just work at a regular restaraunt instead of a michelin star restaraunt". That was a few/many years ago and after squandering even those opportunities and after yet another hospitalization he is borderline unemployable at the even the lowest jobs at the moment. At this point I believe RiKD should just focus on getting mentally well, focus on his health etc and go from there.


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Loco   Canada. Mar 11 2021 19:26. Posts 20646


  On March 10 2021 21:20 Baalim wrote:
wow you guys have been through rough shit, this is becoming a emotional support forum more than a poker one and I'm ok with that lol.


back on RikD it feels to me as his psychiatrist doesn't push him enough, It seems your bipolarity leans towards mania and you use your energy rumiating ideas to the point you become unstable, I think you should DO more things that you enjoy, and yes you lose motivation quickly like painting or making pizzas but you should push through it, especially because often the reasons are silly like inconpetence, well of course you will suck thats the point, slowly master it, that is where most of the enjoyment comes from.

Why did you say that you were overvaluing specifically my input and that perhaps I dont have your best interest at heart, what do you mean with that?



You say he lacks insight but you obviously lack insight into his condition too. You are talking to him as if he had poorly-managed ADHD instead of Bipolar 1. You think he has way more control over his illness than he does in reality. Having a manic episode is not like having a "hyperfocus" episode with ADHD, you cannot direct your energy towards something to "learn to master it". A manic episode is by default not controllable, and not situational. It is not dependent on external circumstances; it cannot be "honed".

You get the basic causality wrong. He doesn't become unstable because he is making poor use of his energy ruminating on bad ideas. It's the unstable state of his biology that is what leads him to ruminate, be extremely distractible, make poor decisions, find no enjoyment in things, have distorted perceptions/grandiose self-esteem/delusions, etc.

Outside of taking his medication as prescribed and reporting to his psychiatrist there is nothing he can do to completely avoid these episodes or significantly alter them any more than he already has.

This is not something that would change even if he became successful by normal societal American standards. There's a high number of successful people who have manic episodes and who [try to] commit suicide. We often see bipolar artists commit suicide at the peak of their careers. There is no amount of self-help, capitalist success/right-wing ideology that will change his neurobiology. This is something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life and ideally he would be surrounded by supportive people and not subject himself to the kind of ignorant, patronizing or ridiculing behavior that he is exposed to when he comes here.

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hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 20:16. Posts 2425

There is no such thing as ADHD or Bipolar 1. These are just made up buckets of hocum that don't have any bearing on actual reality.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 20:17. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 04:03 Baalim wrote:
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Well yeah the psychiatrist have lilttle info and if they get someone on a psychotic break talking about killing Nancy Pelosi and mentioning Parler I think its wise to tell that person to keep off that place, this isn't a normal instance of somebody talking about killing Hitler.

Yes mathematicians do that, but Rik isn't one of them, doing that isn't a sign of mental health but of mania.

To Rik:

You halllucinate while doing BJJ? again it feels to me that your bipolar disorder is being handled very poorly, you dont like working in the food industry unless you work for a michelline star restaurant, you dont like painting if you are not producing masterpieces, this seems like a constant with you. you fantasize about archieving a very far and hard to reach goal, and since you are not there, you give up.


So much misinformation everywhere....

I was not on a psychotic break. I had made a piece of art that morning regarding Gilet Jaunes and guillotining Nancy Pelosi. It was abstract art and my dad asked me what it was. I joked that it is what happens if Nancy Pelosi doesn't behave and he thought that was funny. So, then fast forward to that night when this doctor who was maybe 26 and probably a resident and who had never even met me before asks me if i have had thoughts about harming people. The first thing that came to my brain was joking about killing Nancy Pelosi with my dad. My dad thought it was funny. The doctor definitely did not. My actual Psychiatrist who sees me consistently advised that i do not go involuntary because she actually knows me and knows that i have 0 violent history, 0 access to guns, etc etc etc. It is not rocket science to just contain me in my parents' home, up some of the dosages on my meds, and give me Ativan so i can calm down and get some proper sleep.

I also never mentioned Parler once with out being asked about it. I have never been on Parler. What happened was that the forensics psychiatrist rushed out a report from our meeting so that the team of 4 psychiatrists that barely know who i am could skim it or maybe not even read it before our meeting the next morning that the forensics psychiatrist did not even attend. That is the type of thing that leads to the disinformation of a doctor lecturing me on Parler for 10 min. when i had never thought about joining besides perhaps a couple of times to investigate how crazy Q Anon are.

I use to be pretty good at math. No, certainly no Einstein, Gödel, John Nash but pretty good. In reality i have thought about the stuff i was working on since advanced Calculus. One of my first blogs on here touches on some of it. When i asked my brother who is a PhD in Physics some questions i stumped him. I feel like i later answered some of those questions suitably. I think it was more so re-learning stuff i once knew and discovering stuff i never knew than actually doing some groundbreaking work in mathematics/analytical philosophy but it was fun. I would wager anyone with an education in Calculus and knowledge of quantum computing could understand it or get to the same findings if they spent any time on it. I do feel that since i have experienced infinity or some real number that is approaching infinity that i can understand some of the concepts better but at the end of the day i don't have a history of popping out of bed on no sleep to do math problems so in this case it is more a symptom of my mania rather than me being a brilliant mathematician.

Yes, baal, i have hallucinated doing BJJ. I think it was just that one time at BJJ but that was a very common hallucination to experience certain people as archetypes for others trying to get me some sort of information for that epoch of manias. I remember one time i played 18 holes of golf with my dad and the entire 18 holes was serious hallucinating. It was very difficult to play golf but if i stayed calm some of the scenery was very beautiful. The last mania was not too bad. I just remember in the psych ward the designs on the furniture and floor would move around and flow. Once i got used to it it was like it wasn't even there.

With most here it can't be that these doctors are to be 100% trusted but are also terrible and handling everything poorly. Most of you are silly.

This last mania i did everything as directed except my sleep schedule got a little off. I never knew the trick to set an alarm and take my meds the exact same time every night. It's not like my Lithium levels were totally devastated or anything like that either. It can be a tough disorder.

I have gone manic doing everything 100% correct with out any hitches.

When did i say anything about Michelin stars? I would not want to work in a Michelin star restaurant. Maybe at 1 point when i was being stupid and thinking i could just be Anthony Bourdain in 10 years of mediocre work but i never actually thought that was possible. If that dream ever even existed it was thoroughly crushed when the first restaurant i worked for had a very talented chef working 80+ hours for a shitty salary. I think he did the math and discovered that he would be making more on our shitty hourly wage then on his shitty salary. Anyways, that wasn't a terrible place to work but the owner fired the general manager, the chef quit instantly and since the owner didn't know what he was doing the restaurant went bust within a year. My friend who is a Chef worked at a humble, local Asian restaurant. Great food but far from seeing any Michelin stars anytime soon.

IRT Painting... What the fuck are you talking about?

I have worked on 4 paintings in the last month. None of them will be masterpieces. I finished one that i like a lot and will be giving it to a friend. I finished another which i was kinda meh on but my sister liked it and wants it so i will give it to her. I have another that i don't really know what the fuck i am doing with it but i will continue to work on it when i feel like it and then i have a newer one which i really like how it started out and maybe have a bit of FEAR that i will ruin it although it really doesn't fucking matter at all in the grand scheme of things. In order to clean out my closets i threw a bunch of good work away and now it is sitting and rotting in a dump site somewhere so boo fucking hoo.

Bro, do you know what i am trying to achieve?

- Take my medications
- Eat less food
- Go for a walk

AND

When my parents are finally vaccinated in the middle of April:

- Hang out with my friends

My "Goal" has not changed since the Fall of 2014:

Reduce existential suffering and improve Life.

But it is more about the systems that are put into place then airy fairy goals.


RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 20:44. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 05:18 blackjacki2 wrote:
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This is just incredibly naive. The psychiatrists interviewed him for hours. You read the biased retelling of a story by someone with mental illness that was having an acute psychosis on a poker forum and you think you're a better judge of the situation than the psychiatrists? Give me a break. Also what is this "people joke about killing politicians all the time" bullshit as if a script of a hollywood movie is at all similar to someone in a manic episode.

You think his family knows him best - well they are the ones that took him to the ER for fucks sake. Also why do you think his psychiatrist told his parents to take him to the ER? He/she just randomly decided to fuck with one of their patients? Use some common sense to realize that his retelling of the situation is very biased and missing major details and then maybe you won't just assume the psych doctors are bullshitting him.


My psychiatrists in the psych ward never interviewed me. There was 4 psychiatrists that would have a short meeting with me in the morning and then on top of that there were another 6 students observing. It was kind of an absurd situation. There was 1 forensics psychiatrist that interviewed me for 3 hours or more one day. I didn't time it but it was a long enough time that i was tired and thirsty and hungry afterward. Her job was to do that interview and then rush out a report that the 4 psychiatrists could read or not read before the next morning's meeting in which the forensics psychiatrist would not attend. I am unsure if any of them actually read it because they lectured me on stuff that had nothing to do with what i spoke to the forensics psychiatrist about the previous day.

You seem to misread or disregard the fact that my personal psychiatrist that i see regularly advised that i not be considered involuntary. My parents will always have the bias to treat me in their home versus send me to the psych ward but will likely default to what my personal doctor says. This has been arranged for numerous past situations. I have dealt with psych wards in 2 other states and there is nothing like some random likely resident who has never met me before swinging his magic wand and making me involuntary past the point of no return.


RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 20:52. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 13:26 hiems wrote:
re : "The people who know your mental health the best are decent family members and friends who have known you for a long time."

The one thing I will say is that RiKD has the unfortunate position of having a cult-member in his family (I believe his sister is some sort of mental health professional). While he does have some good reasonable capitalist voices in his family (father and brother from what I can tell), he consistently chooses to always pick the easy, instant gratification route in his decision making and likely zones these voices out of his life and listens/gravitates more to his sister probably which is ironic because the mental health professional is the one worsening his condition long term. Same thing goes to the parasite Loco.

Honestly a part of me feels that out of all people in the world, I might be the most qualified person to offer any sort of counseling service to RiKD and help turn his life around lol.



Bro,

The other day you were talking about getting a hooker which i played along because i thought it was funny. If sex trafficking did not exist and law enforcement weren't bastards i would be all for it although i don't know if i would actually do it. The idea that i should pay for a good hooker so that will motivate me to seek employment and make more money so that i can pay more hookers is atrociously bad advise.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 11 2021 20:57. Posts 4945

fyi in advanced calc, real numbers don't approach infinity. They are defined to be cauchy sequences of rationals, and you can prove an infinite sequence that is cauchy is bounded by splitting it into a finite part and the epsilon part

From Terrance Tao's analysis book.



tell me what this math problem is so we can determine if your bsing or not haha.

I was way over the top in my post btw, (who cares it's just LP.)

To show off, here is my proof . Might be the first time in history of LP anyone has backed up sufficient evidence to end the argument.



I know this is a bit bizzare to completely ignore your deep seated mental issues and focus on one thing you said about math, but i got time to kill this morning.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 21:10. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 18:26 Loco wrote:
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You say he lacks insight but you obviously lack insight into his condition too. You are talking to him as if he had poorly-managed ADHD instead of Bipolar 1. You think he has way more control over his illness than he does in reality. Having a manic episode is not like having a "hyperfocus" episode with ADHD, you cannot direct your energy towards something to "learn to master it". A manic episode is by default not controllable, and not situational. It is not dependent on external circumstances; it cannot be "honed".

You get the basic causality wrong. He doesn't become unstable because he is making poor use of his energy ruminating on bad ideas. It's the unstable state of his biology that is what leads him to ruminate, be extremely distractible, make poor decisions, find no enjoyment in things, have distorted perceptions/grandiose self-esteem/delusions, etc.

Outside of taking his medication as prescribed and reporting to his psychiatrist there is nothing he can do to completely avoid these episodes or significantly alter them any more than he already has.

This is not something that would change even if he became successful by normal societal American standards. There's a high number of successful people who have manic episodes and who [try to] commit suicide. We often see bipolar artists commit suicide at the peak of their careers. There is no amount of self-help, capitalist success/right-wing ideology that will change his neurobiology. This is something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life and ideally he would be surrounded by supportive people and not subject himself to the kind of ignorant, patronizing or ridiculing behavior that he is exposed to when he comes here.


Good point. I knew it would probably blow-up in an annoying way but i went with it anyways...

Tsk tsk

At least my close friends and family are very supportive. Even the devil woman in the mental health profession.


hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 21:17. Posts 2425


  On March 11 2021 19:52 RiKD wrote:
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Bro,

The other day you were talking about getting a hooker which i played along because i thought it was funny. If sex trafficking did not exist and law enforcement weren't bastards i would be all for it although i don't know if i would actually do it. The idea that i should pay for a good hooker so that will motivate me to seek employment and make more money so that i can pay more hookers is atrociously bad advise.


lol.

the bottom line is that none of the people around you have the balls to say anything that isnt out of some dumb-fuck book or user-manual lol. how many of your dumb ass circle is going to tell you to go bang some hooker lol. how many of these idiot psychology culties will do this?

if the advice of your dumb psychologists are so good why do you never get better lol? you keep getting worse and worse and right now you are the zach galifianakis character from hangover lol. but yeah, go ahead keep listening to loco. clearly none of the advice in your mentally challenged brain trust works LOL.

compare that to me that is the k1ng of independent thought, common sense, and life experience !!! (ask stroggoz). also i am known to be a very wise leader.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 11 2021 21:47. Posts 4945


  On March 11 2021 13:21 hiems wrote:
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You guys both have points.

Stroggoz is indeed being very naive in actually taking RiKD's opinions seriously at this point in time. Maybe he is so honed in on his desire to overthrow the government that he wants RiKD to assassinate pelosi, lol.

On the other hand, Stroggoz is correct in pointing out that mental health professionals, psychologists, and the psychology industry as a whole is a massive cult/ponzi scheme. It does not surprise me at the backlash he is getting here. I think blackjack is more or less reasonable politics wise but it doesnt matter left or right they are all brainwashed by the cult.



Not the whole industry i was just saying the people there in that room were making bizzare assumptions about Rikd, or at least appeared to be, which we all know are clearly wrong. Obviously his personal physchiatrist knows Rikd a lot better, from experience. I don't know much about psychotherapy but they've had a questionable history of diagnosing things like homosexuality, female sexual frustration, and communism (advocacy) as mental disorders, and now they are saying Rikd shouldn't care about politics, which is one of main ideologies of neoliberalism. So yeah it's hard for me to trust experts, that's one of the few things i share in common with trump voters. It's quite strange to use the word 'disorder' as it implies a value judgement. You could break your leg and call that a physical disorder, or you could view it as a good thing. Seems like a choice to me. In any case mental health professionals respect patient autonomy within reason.

Killing Pelosi is not a good strategy for overthrowing the government, It would actually strengthen it and you'd end up living next to the unabomber. I don't care if someone is on the left i probably spend more time criticising leftists than people on the right. (Though, constructively).

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RiKD    United States. Mar 11 2021 22:05. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 19:57 Stroggoz wrote:
fyi in advanced calc, real numbers don't approach infinity. They are defined to be cauchy sequences of rationals, and you can prove an infinite sequence that is cauchy is bounded by splitting it into a finite part and the epsilon part

From Terrance Tao's analysis book.



tell me what this math problem is so we can determine if your bsing or not haha.

I was way over the top in my post btw, (who cares it's just LP.)

To show off, here is my proof . Might be the first time in history of LP anyone has backed up sufficient evidence to end the argument.



I know this is a bit bizzare to completely ignore your deep seated mental issues and focus on one thing you said about math, but i got time to kill this morning.



It is nice to see evidence on LP. . That is an interesting problem. I will have to look at it when i am less hungry and after a walk.

Maybe i could have solved that problem when i was 18? I suppose i don't even know what "Advanced Calculus" means. I did not pick a major until they made me when i was in university. My first quarter i took a multi-variable calculus course to just kind of test out to see if maybe i want to continue in maths. People considered that "advanced" which i guess it probably is not. I did reasonably well with out too much work. I loved the professor and disliked the TA. Ultimately, i decided that i didn't want to make a go of it in maths so i stopped taking classes and basically forgot about it until game theory in poker which was fun.


hiems   United States. Mar 11 2021 22:06. Posts 2425


  On March 11 2021 20:47 Stroggoz wrote:
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Not the whole industry i was just saying the people there in that room were making bizzare assumptions about Rikd, or at least appeared to be, which we all know are clearly wrong. Obviously his personal physchiatrist knows Rikd a lot better, from experience. I don't know much about psychotherapy but they've had a questionable history of diagnosing things like homosexuality, female sexual frustration, and communism (advocacy) as mental disorders, and now they are saying Rikd shouldn't care about politics, which is one of main ideologies of neoliberalism. So yeah it's hard for me to trust experts, that's one of the few things i share in common with trump voters. It's quite strange to use the word 'disorder' as it implies a value judgement. You could break your leg and call that a physical disorder, or you could view it as a good thing. Seems like a choice to me. In any case mental health professionals respect patient autonomy within reason.

Killing Pelosi is not a good strategy for overthrowing the government, It would actually strengthen it and you'd end up living next to the unabomber. I don't care if someone is on the left i probably spend more time criticising leftists than people on the right. (Though, constructively).



Ive lost hope for you !! lol

Seriously at least we somewhat agree on psychology. Honestly its its more than most ppl on this topic. However I feel like your reasons are just overthinking it. All you need is a good working BS meter to see whats going on. You dont need to be some sort of brainiac to figure it out. I really dont see how its not obvious to everybody that its 90% just a massive cult / ponzi to everyone.

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blackjacki2   United States. Mar 11 2021 23:24. Posts 2524


  On March 11 2021 19:44 RiKD wrote:
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My psychiatrists in the psych ward never interviewed me. There was 4 psychiatrists that would have a short meeting with me in the morning and then on top of that there were another 6 students observing. It was kind of an absurd situation. There was 1 forensics psychiatrist that interviewed me for 3 hours or more one day. I didn't time it but it was a long enough time that i was tired and thirsty and hungry afterward. Her job was to do that interview and then rush out a report that the 4 psychiatrists could read or not read before the next morning's meeting in which the forensics psychiatrist would not attend. I am unsure if any of them actually read it because they lectured me on stuff that had nothing to do with what i spoke to the forensics psychiatrist about the previous day.

You seem to misread or disregard the fact that my personal psychiatrist that i see regularly advised that i not be considered involuntary. My parents will always have the bias to treat me in their home versus send me to the psych ward but will likely default to what my personal doctor says. This has been arranged for numerous past situations. I have dealt with psych wards in 2 other states and there is nothing like some random likely resident who has never met me before swinging his magic wand and making me involuntary past the point of no return.




  It is not rocket science to just contain me in my parents' home, up some of the dosages on my meds, and give me Ativan so i can calm down and get some proper sleep.



It's not Burger King and you don't get to have it your way. If you think a 26 year old resident shouldn't wave a magic wand and make you involuntary because he doesn't know you well enough then I can assure you that a 26 year old resident that has known you for 5 minutes has no business adjusting your meds and sending you home either. Who prescribes the meds anyway? The psychiatrist that told your parents to send you to the ER? Because if someone was going to adjust your meds it should be the person prescribing them, not a ER resident that is a stranger to you. They could have just told you over the phone to adjust the way you are taking your medications. They specifically told your parents to take you to the ER because they wanted you stabilized and evaluated for psych admission. It's easy for your psych doctor to say you didn't need to be admitted. They did the responsible thing and told you to go to the ER and now they want the ER doctor to be the one to discharge you home.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 12 2021 00:39. Posts 4945


  On March 11 2021 21:05 RiKD wrote:
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It is nice to see evidence on LP. . That is an interesting problem. I will have to look at it when i am less hungry and after a walk.

Maybe i could have solved that problem when i was 18? I suppose i don't even know what "Advanced Calculus" means. I did not pick a major until they made me when i was in university. My first quarter i took a multi-variable calculus course to just kind of test out to see if maybe i want to continue in maths. People considered that "advanced" which i guess it probably is not. I did reasonably well with out too much work. I loved the professor and disliked the TA. Ultimately, i decided that i didn't want to make a go of it in maths so i stopped taking classes and basically forgot about it until game theory in poker which was fun.


I think advanced calculus is analysis. It's not called advanced calc where i am. There is just normal calc that uses intuition and algebra to make arguments, and then there is calc done rigorously, using logical arguments. That's called analysis. My proof is intro level real analysis.

Usually calc progresses this way:

calc 1
calc 2
diff equations 1 (ordinary)
multivariable
diff equations 2 (ordinary + partial differential)

real analysis
complex analysis
measure theory (more real analysis)
functional analysis.

The analysis stuff is way more interesting, and its a lot like drugs because you get high when you prove things. Analysis is the more 'philosophical' kind of math.

infinity itself is part of the extended real number system. You can negate infinity but you can't add or multiply or divide, ect. That causes problems. These sorts of questions are ignored in normal calc but they are raised and answered in advanced calc. multivariable calc could be taught rigorously but it's unnecessary to use rigor in most life applications. Engineers just assume that planes have infinitely long wings in their math and that's good enough to prevent plane crashes.

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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 12 2021 06:26. Posts 33969


  On March 11 2021 18:26 Loco wrote:
You say he lacks insight but you obviously lack insight into his condition too. You are talking to him as if he had poorly-managed ADHD instead of Bipolar 1. You think he has way more control over his illness than he does in reality. Having a manic episode is not like having a "hyperfocus" episode with ADHD, you cannot direct your energy towards something to "learn to master it". A manic episode is by default not controllable, and not situational. It is not dependent on external circumstances; it cannot be "honed".

You get the basic causality wrong. He doesn't become unstable because he is making poor use of his energy ruminating on bad ideas. It's the unstable state of his biology that is what leads him to ruminate, be extremely distractible, make poor decisions, find no enjoyment in things, have distorted perceptions/grandiose self-esteem/delusions, etc.

Outside of taking his medication as prescribed and reporting to his psychiatrist there is nothing he can do to completely avoid these episodes or significantly alter them any more than he already has.

This is not something that would change even if he became successful by normal societal American standards. There's a high number of successful people who have manic episodes and who [try to] commit suicide. We often see bipolar artists commit suicide at the peak of their careers. There is no amount of self-help, capitalist success/right-wing ideology that will change his neurobiology. This is something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life and ideally he would be surrounded by supportive people and not subject himself to the kind of ignorant, patronizing or ridiculing behavior that he is exposed to when he comes here.



You got me totally wrong, I'm not downplaying his disease at all, I personally know people with bipolar disorder, I meant poorly managed mainly by his psychiatrist, I'm not saying he can control a manic episode obviously, I'm not saying he should go master painting while on a manic episode lol, ïm saying that his delusions of being good at something make him quit activities that migh find enjoyable and help stabilize him.

I don't mean that he becomes unstable because he rumiates on ideas, I said he should consciously try to avoid falling into that to the extent that he can.

I've never suggested him being successful in normal American standards lol, I say he should stop rumiating, stick with things he enjoys and not get discouraged easily when his fantasies of hyper-competence do not pan out and perhaps find a new psychiatrist.

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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 12 2021 06:41. Posts 33969

So if you weren't having a break down how did you end up in the psych ward being interviewed by 4 psychiatrists?

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RiKD    United States. Mar 12 2021 07:07. Posts 6968


  On March 11 2021 23:39 Stroggoz wrote:
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I think advanced calculus is analysis. It's not called advanced calc where i am. There is just normal calc that uses intuition and algebra to make arguments, and then there is calc done rigorously, using logical arguments. That's called analysis. My proof is intro level real analysis.

Usually calc progresses this way:

calc 1
calc 2
diff equations 1 (ordinary)
multivariable
diff equations 2 (ordinary + partial differential)

real analysis
complex analysis
measure theory (more real analysis)
functional analysis.

The analysis stuff is way more interesting, and its a lot like drugs because you get high when you prove things. Analysis is the more 'philosophical' kind of math.

infinity itself is part of the extended real number system. You can negate infinity but you can't add or multiply or divide, ect. That causes problems. These sorts of questions are ignored in normal calc but they are raised and answered in advanced calc. multivariable calc could be taught rigorously but it's unnecessary to use rigor in most life applications. Engineers just assume that planes have infinitely long wings in their math and that's good enough to prevent plane crashes.



Maybe i should have stuck with it. I think i would enjoy the analysis stuff a lot more. I was advanced in maths since grade 1 but i still remember the day that my brother figured out how to do my homework better than i could without a lecture or notes (he was in 3rd grade and i was in 5th grade). I still always enjoyed maths but my brother being far better than me kind of sullied it all for me.

I secretly wanted to do philosophy. I had taken some stupid continental course but the prof was good and the recitation was like nothing i had ever experienced. Most of the class were idiots but the TA was very good. I was too afraid of what other people would think of me so i did not follow through with philosophy. The university made it clear that i needed to declare a major so i had just taken this really great history course and declared history mostly by default. I had 0 desire to be a teacher or a lawyer so in reality all the same people that would have harassed me for majoring in philosophy were now harassing me for majoring in history. I never took any analytical philosophy courses which is a shame. I am very happy that i took a lot of time to study the continental philosophers that i did across the course of my life so far but sad that i never touched analytical philosophy. Seems like something to touch at age 16-21. I feel like i could take my 40s and really master someone like Aristotle but maths is mostly dead to me at this point. Oh yeah, university became a game where i tried to obtain a decent gpa with minimum work so i could play poker, have fun, and graduate in 4 years. I achieved all of those goals! Whhhooopppeee!

Now, i am 37 and try to run out the clock without killing myself. Maybe that is a bit bleak. Most days are ok. I actually haven't had genuine suicidal ideation in a long time and consistently experience joy. My goal is total liberation but i usually end up watching a couple of youtube vids, maybe a documentary, read some things, and flail around a little bit before falling asleep. This will hopefully get better in the middle of April when my parents will be fully vaccinated and i can spend time with other human beings again. Desperate full-employment in May and i will probably be dead by June. My primary care provider suggested i go on disability. Disability is notoriously difficult to get in my state but i think i could maybe barely survive on it so maybe that is an option.


RiKD    United States. Mar 12 2021 09:27. Posts 6968


  On March 12 2021 05:41 Baalim wrote:
So if you weren't having a break down how did you end up in the psych ward being interviewed by 4 psychiatrists?



Notice how you included the word "psychotic" last time? That is usually what is considered a breakdown. A "psychotic break."

At the time of talking to that doctor in the psych holding room i was not psychotic. I was very manic but not psychotic. I remember sending my sisters an email that morning something i had spent a lot of time curating on Pinterest. I never go on Pinterest. In fact i think the only times i've been on pinterest are when i am manic. I compared myself to Picasso and then joked that grandiosity is a symptom of bipolar 1. I mean it was a well curated board or whatever you call it but who cares it's fucking bullshit i am getting owned by a corporate algorithm to waste my existence on pinterest. Anyways, i am painting and listening to music and my psychiatrist calls to tell me that she is sick and she has to cancel that day's appointment. I give her an update and she says maybe i should go to the ER. I get a little frustrated with her and tell her that i am already in debt to XXXX and that i will not be going to the ER unless i get help from them to pay for it. Besides me getting confrontational we end the call on good terms. I am still painting and listening to music and my parents come home from a walk and say they talked to my psychiatrist and they think they should take me to the ER. I say ok. If someone wants to criticize my psychiatrist that is fine. I criticize her because her answer for everything is "go to the ER." In the past i have had 3 psychiatrists that would have talked with my parents and worked out a situation to up my medications and get me some Ativan. But, in this case i know that i am manic. I am not going to argue with them if they think i should go to the ER.

In the holding area there was a line that i could not cross unless i asked a nurse. I had a chair that converted to a bed and a tv in the corner of the room that was so high up it was hard to fathom watching something on it. The first thing i did when i got there was roll up the blanket into a ball and shoot a 3 pointer at the garbage can outside of my area. Not because i thought i was Steph Curry hitting the winning shot in game 7 but no i just thought it would be fun and i was right. I made it and it was fun but one of the nurse's snapped at me and i realized "oh yeah" and said "sorry maam" and got the blanket and folded it on the chair. Then i got the idea that the blanket was similar weight to pizza dough and i could practice my pizza moves. It made me happy that i still had my moves but got bored quickly so i asked one of the nurses if i could have art supplies. I got lost in doing art and wrote a thank you to the nurses on each page. When i said in another post that the nurses liked me it was not because i thought i was some charismatic enigma but simply because i was a sick person that they had to care for in a place full of sick people and i was polite and i was not causing any problems. It's not like i thought these art gifts would sell for $50,000 on the art market so some of these nurses could buy a new car or a downpayment on a house. No, even at the time i understood that some probably threw it away at the earliest acceptable moment. I didn't think the weirdly placed tv was secretly controlled by the NSA. No, it was just a shitty tv in a shitty placement. There were already plenty visible surveillance cameras anyways.

So, the doctor stops by. He asks me if i have thoughts of killing anyone. "Uhhh... Nancy Pelosi?" how? "Uhhh... Maybe guillotine or i was telling my dad 2 shots in the heart and 1 shot to the head." what does that mean? "ummm... well, you would get a handgun with a silencer and then shoot her twice in the heart and once in the head. And, also Vladimir Putin. Russia Russia Russia. Navalny poisoning. I do not like Vladimir Putin..."

ummm... ok... what about thoughts of harming yourself?

"not yet."

what do you mean not yet?

"i was thinking maybe when i'm like 55."

why 55?

"I don't know. Robin Williams, Anthony Bourdain, Ernest Hemingway, Kate Spade. Maybe if i don't have things figured out by 55 it would be a good time to go."

thank you "thank you"

Maybe, here is another place to criticize my psychiatrist for not fighting for me harder to not be involuntary. It sounds like she did all she could but there is no way for me to know the truth.

It's just kind of funny to me now the fact that i was voluntary the first time to the psych ward when i was the farthest from reality i have ever been. The first memory of that experience is not taking a shower because i thought they were going to gas me. Something was happening where my mind literally was acting as if it was experiencing infinity. I would let out a primal yell that would put Maynard to shame on the Grudge and then they would race to hit me with sedative needles and medicines. Another time i was catatonic standing up out in the common area for what felt like 10 hours. That was hell. No one did anything either until i didn't respond when they called me for dinner...

The second time in the psych ward i was literally carried by my friends and i was out of my mind. I was still voluntary. I remember obsessing that there was still a chance to sleep with Laurel who i thought i was in love with at the time but it was really just a crazy, severe, manic crush. I was trying to convince her to go to the handicapped restroom in the psych ward waiting room with me to have a quickie before i have to go upstairs. Once they set me up with my room i thought about those birds that do an elaborate dance for their prospective partners. I thought that if i did an impressive enough performance that no one could follow Laurel would see this or sense this somehow and accept me as her partner. I made art, i wrote poetry, i did ballet, and after a fucking incredibly long time it escalated to me yelling my love for Laurel (think better than Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood) while punching holes into the ceiling and getting my knuckles and the ceiling all bloody. Oh, lol. I forgot that i covered all of the walls with "cave" (crayon) art. Yeah, the nurses were not very happy with me. The next morning i did rain dances until breakfast then i thought that i could figure out a way to break out of the joint. I was convinced that there were safes behind the drywall that contained master keys to unlock my freedom. Now, THAT is some good psychosis.

I don't want to dwell too much on all of this when i should probably be sleeping. I think the doctors were trying to do their job. As a collective they weren't wildly off the mark on the important stuff. I do remember hallucinating the designs on chairs and floors moving in the psych ward. But, with this one even at my worst i was only mildly psychotic. I remember one time my parents and i were trying to contain it at home and one night i was hallucinating what i thought was a message from deadmau5 in the ceiling. It was stimulating but it was also excruciating to try and focus like that for 3 hours. I didn't really know what it meant. All i knew is that it wasn't going away. My point is that i would rather be in my own bed watching shit move around than sharing a room with some paranoid schizo that is going on about delusions and hoarding pencils for later. Maybe i would tell someone about it but he made me pinky swear that i have his back and i don't think that he would stab me with a pencil and i don't want to be a snitch either.

So, Baal, "Oh Wise One," why should i get a new psychiatrist?


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 12 2021 10:57. Posts 9629


  On March 12 2021 08:27 RiKD wrote:
Maybe, here is another place to criticize my psychiatrist for not fighting for me harder to not be involuntary. It sounds like she did all she could but there is no way for me to know the truth.



Their job is to stay objective and assess the situation. 'Fighting' for you harder means that they would get involved and lead to a biased opinion. I'm guessing that in the interview you've had many other topics on different levels and the psychiatrists were probing you. Not fighting for you is literally the best thing they could do for you


hiems   United States. Mar 12 2021 19:41. Posts 2425

Rikd can you start a you start a youtube vlog channel lol.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 12 2021 19:57. Posts 6968

Maybe that is true but what it seems like most people on this site do not understand is that there was no initial interview.

I was asked by someone i had never met before who looked 26 if i wanted to harm anyone and if i wanted to harm myself then i was in handcuffs getting escorted to the psych ward by the police. I was received by a nurse that double checked my info, then gave me some medications, then gave me the advice to never tell anyone that i want to leave b/c it will prolong my stay. I was stuck in there for at least 10+ days because they scheduled the forensics psychiatrist interrogation in 8 days and then a judge had to deem me fit to leave but they were only in session on Tuesdays and Thursdays and there was additional bureaucracy beyond just a digital ruling.

Being in the psych ward and just sort of hanging out isn't terrible but it does cost a shit ton of money and there are legitimately crazy, violent people in there. One guy basically had run ins with everyone. He was 6'6'' and 260 lbs. which he used to try and intimidate people but i am pretty sure he did not know how to fight. I was sick of his lies one day and just went into an aggressive biology lesson. He did not believe me. I told him i was just trying to chill and play music for my friends and he can ask any nurse or doctor with the appropriate education. It kept flaring up. I think what set him off is i got loud and told him, "you don't have a dominant gene in your body" which i literally meant he has blonde hair, blue eyes, and pale skin and all of those genes are recessive but i think he thought i was challenging his masculinity and then he got up in my face and cornered me. It was really stupid and overconfident to allow him to corner me and i did feel like it could have gone bad from there but my friend who is an adept martial artist and former police officer/prison guard recognized what was happening and broke us up. That guy was a lot of talk and i would wager would go to self-harm before harming someone else but it still sucks to have to keep tabs on someone and keep track of if they are going to try some crazy retaliatory move. Maybe surprisingly the women were much more violent when push comes to shove. Maybe that is just a sample size thing.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 12 2021 20:56. Posts 9629

It sounds absolutely unbelievable that you'd be detained into a psych ward and then be forced to pay for it. I can only imagine how many ruined lives were made to suffer even more because of that


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 12 2021 21:07. Posts 4945

So if you tell them you want to stay there for a long time will they release you earlier?

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 12 2021 21:17. Posts 4945

I mean I stabbed myself multiple times with a garden tool when I was a teenager and the police warned me if I keep doing it I'll go to a psych ward, then left. that was some top level community policing in retrospect.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 13 2021 02:31. Posts 6968


  On March 12 2021 19:56 Spitfiree wrote:
It sounds absolutely unbelievable that you'd be detained into a psych ward and then be forced to pay for it. I can only imagine how many ruined lives were made to suffer even more because of that



Those fuckers can do whatever they want. There is no court or accountability for them.

Probably the worst i already mentioned in this thread. I was honest about my speeding and reckless driving in the previous week before ending up in the psych ward at another time. This psychiatrist decides to take my license which is fair but at the same time i'm in the psych ward with no access to a car... Honestly, my mental health and medications are pretty stable within a week or two of leaving the psych ward. This fucker makes me bother people for rides for 3+ fucking months telling me every time i see him that he wouldn't want me to recklessly drive with himself or his family on the road... This was not related to any courts or any of his supervisors he just decided to not give me my license back.


Baalim   Mexico. Mar 13 2021 02:35. Posts 33969


  On March 12 2021 08:27 RiKD wrote:
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Notice how you included the word "psychotic" last time? That is usually what is considered a breakdown. A "psychotic break."

At the time of talking to that doctor in the psych holding room i was not psychotic. I was very manic but not psychotic. I remember sending my sisters an email that morning something i had spent a lot of time curating on Pinterest. I never go on Pinterest. In fact i think the only times i've been on pinterest are when i am manic. I compared myself to Picasso and then joked that grandiosity is a symptom of bipolar 1. I mean it was a well curated board or whatever you call it but who cares it's fucking bullshit i am getting owned by a corporate algorithm to waste my existence on pinterest. Anyways, i am painting and listening to music and my psychiatrist calls to tell me that she is sick and she has to cancel that day's appointment. I give her an update and she says maybe i should go to the ER. I get a little frustrated with her and tell her that i am already in debt to XXXX and that i will not be going to the ER unless i get help from them to pay for it. Besides me getting confrontational we end the call on good terms. I am still painting and listening to music and my parents come home from a walk and say they talked to my psychiatrist and they think they should take me to the ER. I say ok. If someone wants to criticize my psychiatrist that is fine. I criticize her because her answer for everything is "go to the ER." In the past i have had 3 psychiatrists that would have talked with my parents and worked out a situation to up my medications and get me some Ativan. But, in this case i know that i am manic. I am not going to argue with them if they think i should go to the ER.

In the holding area there was a line that i could not cross unless i asked a nurse. I had a chair that converted to a bed and a tv in the corner of the room that was so high up it was hard to fathom watching something on it. The first thing i did when i got there was roll up the blanket into a ball and shoot a 3 pointer at the garbage can outside of my area. Not because i thought i was Steph Curry hitting the winning shot in game 7 but no i just thought it would be fun and i was right. I made it and it was fun but one of the nurse's snapped at me and i realized "oh yeah" and said "sorry maam" and got the blanket and folded it on the chair. Then i got the idea that the blanket was similar weight to pizza dough and i could practice my pizza moves. It made me happy that i still had my moves but got bored quickly so i asked one of the nurses if i could have art supplies. I got lost in doing art and wrote a thank you to the nurses on each page. When i said in another post that the nurses liked me it was not because i thought i was some charismatic enigma but simply because i was a sick person that they had to care for in a place full of sick people and i was polite and i was not causing any problems. It's not like i thought these art gifts would sell for $50,000 on the art market so some of these nurses could buy a new car or a downpayment on a house. No, even at the time i understood that some probably threw it away at the earliest acceptable moment. I didn't think the weirdly placed tv was secretly controlled by the NSA. No, it was just a shitty tv in a shitty placement. There were already plenty visible surveillance cameras anyways.

So, the doctor stops by. He asks me if i have thoughts of killing anyone. "Uhhh... Nancy Pelosi?" how? "Uhhh... Maybe guillotine or i was telling my dad 2 shots in the heart and 1 shot to the head." what does that mean? "ummm... well, you would get a handgun with a silencer and then shoot her twice in the heart and once in the head. And, also Vladimir Putin. Russia Russia Russia. Navalny poisoning. I do not like Vladimir Putin..."

ummm... ok... what about thoughts of harming yourself?

"not yet."

what do you mean not yet?

"i was thinking maybe when i'm like 55."

why 55?

"I don't know. Robin Williams, Anthony Bourdain, Ernest Hemingway, Kate Spade. Maybe if i don't have things figured out by 55 it would be a good time to go."

thank you "thank you"

Maybe, here is another place to criticize my psychiatrist for not fighting for me harder to not be involuntary. It sounds like she did all she could but there is no way for me to know the truth.

It's just kind of funny to me now the fact that i was voluntary the first time to the psych ward when i was the farthest from reality i have ever been. The first memory of that experience is not taking a shower because i thought they were going to gas me. Something was happening where my mind literally was acting as if it was experiencing infinity. I would let out a primal yell that would put Maynard to shame on the Grudge and then they would race to hit me with sedative needles and medicines. Another time i was catatonic standing up out in the common area for what felt like 10 hours. That was hell. No one did anything either until i didn't respond when they called me for dinner...

The second time in the psych ward i was literally carried by my friends and i was out of my mind. I was still voluntary. I remember obsessing that there was still a chance to sleep with Laurel who i thought i was in love with at the time but it was really just a crazy, severe, manic crush. I was trying to convince her to go to the handicapped restroom in the psych ward waiting room with me to have a quickie before i have to go upstairs. Once they set me up with my room i thought about those birds that do an elaborate dance for their prospective partners. I thought that if i did an impressive enough performance that no one could follow Laurel would see this or sense this somehow and accept me as her partner. I made art, i wrote poetry, i did ballet, and after a fucking incredibly long time it escalated to me yelling my love for Laurel (think better than Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood) while punching holes into the ceiling and getting my knuckles and the ceiling all bloody. Oh, lol. I forgot that i covered all of the walls with "cave" (crayon) art. Yeah, the nurses were not very happy with me. The next morning i did rain dances until breakfast then i thought that i could figure out a way to break out of the joint. I was convinced that there were safes behind the drywall that contained master keys to unlock my freedom. Now, THAT is some good psychosis.

I don't want to dwell too much on all of this when i should probably be sleeping. I think the doctors were trying to do their job. As a collective they weren't wildly off the mark on the important stuff. I do remember hallucinating the designs on chairs and floors moving in the psych ward. But, with this one even at my worst i was only mildly psychotic. I remember one time my parents and i were trying to contain it at home and one night i was hallucinating what i thought was a message from deadmau5 in the ceiling. It was stimulating but it was also excruciating to try and focus like that for 3 hours. I didn't really know what it meant. All i knew is that it wasn't going away. My point is that i would rather be in my own bed watching shit move around than sharing a room with some paranoid schizo that is going on about delusions and hoarding pencils for later. Maybe i would tell someone about it but he made me pinky swear that i have his back and i don't think that he would stab me with a pencil and i don't want to be a snitch either.

So, Baal, "Oh Wise One," why should i get a new psychiatrist?


I still dont get it, you share a pinterest board with your sister and then you are sent to the ER? it doesnt make any sense, you either don't remember clearly or you aren't telling what went on, not that its that important tbh.

This is the most congruent and elocuent I've seen you write in years so if they changed your meds or something good for you, it seems to be working.

I said you should get a new psychiatrist because I've seen you stuck in a bad place, maninc and disatisfied with life for a long time and I dont think you should make this the status quo, Its very hard to reach conclusions with the little info I have, I felt your psychologist wasn't challenging or pushing you enough, but I guess striving for better yourself is a right wing chud fantasy, you should listen to Loco, get disability wallow in self pity and rot. and "run out the clock" as you said.

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RiKD    United States. Mar 13 2021 02:59. Posts 6968


  On March 12 2021 20:07 Stroggoz wrote:
So if you tell them you want to stay there for a long time will they release you earlier?



Actually, YES.

One of my friends was a homeless schizophrenic past problem heroin user. They picked him up when he was damaging the food stamps building. He was more than happy to get a good night's sleep in a comfortable bed, take a hot shower, get some clean clothes, 3 hot meals, etc etc etc rather than them throwing him right back out to the streets. The problem is that there are more sick people than beds. Many of those people were sicker than him at that point in time and almost all of them have a larger bankroll.

One of my other friends who had the bankroll they still kicked out before he wanted to leave. We were filling out the exiting forms and he got pissed off and started an argument with the nurses that basically no one has paid any attention to him and he feels like shit and all they've actually done is just fill him up to the gills with Seroquel which makes him feel even worse. They ignored him and instead rushed him through the forms. Which by the way, Seroquel is like this in style drug here now a days. I guess i didn't get too psychotic this last go around but with the amount they have me on it seems hopeless to lose any of the weight that i gained because of Seroquel in the first place. This friend they were so worried to get him out of the psych ward on schedule that they took out all of his clothes from the dryer when they were still wet and gave him the boot not giving any fucks.


RiKD    United States. Mar 13 2021 03:01. Posts 6968


  On March 12 2021 20:17 Stroggoz wrote:
I mean I stabbed myself multiple times with a garden tool when I was a teenager and the police warned me if I keep doing it I'll go to a psych ward, then left. that was some top level community policing in retrospect.



lol


whammbot   Belarus. Mar 13 2021 11:29. Posts 489

Gamestop thread turns into political or psychology one. Classic LP loool


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 13 2021 18:46. Posts 9629

Mental health is a much more interesting topic than an overvalued joke of a market especially during a period where huge inflation will devalue the dollar


whammbot   Belarus. Mar 14 2021 00:02. Posts 489

Yeah but come on now, we got like tons of blogposts and threads for that already.


hiems   United States. Mar 14 2021 01:00. Posts 2425

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Thomas_Knight

RiKD have you ever heard of this guy?!?! He is such a badass!! Maybe you could draw inspiration from him and do something like this!!!

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blackjacki2   United States. Mar 14 2021 03:55. Posts 2524


  On March 13 2021 23:02 whammbot wrote:
Yeah but come on now, we got like tons of blogposts and threads for that already.



This is basically the only active thread on this site right now...


devon06atX   Canada. Mar 14 2021 09:00. Posts 5432

you guys never cease to amaze me


RiKD    United States. Mar 14 2021 18:27. Posts 6968


  On March 14 2021 00:00 hiems wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Thomas_Knight

RiKD have you ever heard of this guy?!?! He is such a badass!! Maybe you could draw inspiration from him and do something like this!!!



That is amazing. I used to go to Maine every summer for vacation. I love it out there. However, i think i am too attached to too many modern day comforts to want to attempt something like this. I have also been in New Hampshire in March which was fine because i spent most of my time indoors in heated spaces but i can't imagine being isolated in a forest in Maine in January. I also enjoy social connections too much. It is true that i have not had much over Covid and i am ok but i still talk to my parents every day, there are conversations over telecommunications software available, and there is also my cellular phone. My sister and my brother in law rented a log cabin in the middle of no where in Vermont for some time and that is a little more my speed. I have also camped out in the forests of PA with groups of people which turned out to be peak existence in most cases. I would definitely not want to be out there by myself with no amenities in the winter though.


hiems   United States. Mar 14 2021 20:22. Posts 2425

RiKD when are you going to proclaim me as your new leader and ditch the degenerate Loco!!

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lostaccount   Canada. Mar 26 2021 10:18. Posts 3649

Gme roller coaster I’m still holding on to my 4 shares lol. Let’s go

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gororokgororok   Netherlands. Mar 26 2021 13:29. Posts 3940

For anyone looking for a long term investment. Put some money into 'Okta Inc.'. I've worked for this company for years and they are gonna be big. Really big. Their stock has already gone x10 since IPO but recently there was a sell off and its a good time to get some.


lostaccount   Canada. May 26 2021 16:03. Posts 3649

Gme n amc mooning lately. Gme gonna sell nft soon to the moon we go

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TresaLonghi   United States. Aug 05 2021 10:28. Posts 5

I'm shocked!


Baalim   Mexico. Aug 05 2021 23:26. Posts 33969

some bot bumped this thread, good timing tho because this shit stocks are going down soon to their real value the squeeze is over and only fools are still holding on to the poop bag

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lostaccount   Canada. Aug 06 2021 00:08. Posts 3649

haha yea i got out of amc n gme awhile ago

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napalm   Poland. Aug 06 2021 13:38. Posts 171

sqz not over yet and gme might be already at its real speculative value based only on fundamentals without squeeze talk


FrinkX   United States. Aug 06 2021 15:08. Posts 7534


  On August 05 2021 22:26 Baalim wrote:
some bot bumped this thread, good timing tho because this shit stocks are going down soon to their real value the squeeze is over and only fools are still holding on to the poop bag



i bet you said this each time it went down

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napalm   Poland. Aug 06 2021 17:37. Posts 171

also you can profit on "fools" holding bag of poop by shorting the shit stocks and profiting $


lostaccount   Canada. Aug 09 2021 18:16. Posts 3649

I have a feelin sqz gonna come soon

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Baalim   Mexico. Aug 15 2021 18:58. Posts 33969


  On August 06 2021 14:08 FrinkX wrote:
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i bet you said this each time it went down


I did expect it to go down quicker but I guess ppl are stubborn, but its going down consistently, I usually down trade stocks but I think I will put my money where my mouth is and short it.

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FrinkX   United States. Aug 15 2021 20:01. Posts 7534

why do you think its going to keep going down when it has done this multiple times over the last year?

i bought numerous call options a week or two ago when the IV was <100

edit: referring to GME

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Baalim   Mexico. Aug 16 2021 03:18. Posts 33969


  On August 15 2021 19:01 FrinkX wrote:
why do you think its going to keep going down when it has done this multiple times over the last year?

i bought numerous call options a week or two ago when the IV was <100

edit: referring to GME



GME is healtheir tham ACM which afaik is deep in debt, but I think its a short because there's a lot of dumb money still in, institutional money isn't gong to long these stocks obv, retail is going to be holding the bag of poo, altho I don't think we will go to the old over-shorted price again.

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FrinkX   United States. Aug 16 2021 09:03. Posts 7534

well by theory the squeeze has still not happened but i guess it all depends on if the funds actually release their short interest which they'll probably never do

its heavily manipulated but i think the glorious battle of retail will wage on and the swings will continue. hopefully i timed my call options right

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napalm   Poland. Aug 16 2021 21:18. Posts 171

nvm stupid stubborn ppl pumping the price, I guess time to short if the read is right then its some easy profit, I mean its consistently going down therefore it must keep going down right?

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Jelle   Belgium. Aug 17 2021 00:41. Posts 3475

I don't like shorting the memers for significant amounts even if these companies are terminally ill because being a meme is like a monetizable asset that doesn't appear on their balance sheet

You're betting against these companies because they have a shitty business model, are losing money and failing at everything but in reality they do have a product: they're selling "equity" (basically air) to redditors for real cash

You might think mass delusions are rare and bound to correct themselves but actually mass delusion is the norm and people can continue dumping their money into the abyss and rationalize it for decades. It's now part of their identity to put their money into the shredder. As soon as someone comments their support for one of these meme corps on youtube/twitter/whatever you're never bringing them back, it's over - they're going to rationalize away literally any bad news about 'their' company forever

And then the ultimate nightmare scenario is if any innovation happens in those companies (which is not 0%) before the mass delusion ends and they turn their company around into a significantly profitable one. Your losses are also potentially unlimited if you do hit the reverse lottery. American express used to be a telegram company or something.

There's easier ways to make money IMO :/ The only thing I like about it is that it might be reversely correlated with the rest of your stuff

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napalm   Poland. Aug 24 2021 21:19. Posts 171

Baal made some profit shorting gme?


Jelle   Belgium. Aug 25 2021 06:27. Posts 3475

oh did i get vindicated again

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lostaccount   Canada. Aug 25 2021 06:48. Posts 3649

did u short baal if u did only a 28% upswing woot

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FrinkX   United States. Aug 25 2021 19:22. Posts 7534

havent sold my call options yet kek. rise more plz

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napalm   Poland. Aug 25 2021 21:26. Posts 171

me2, some more rising till 10th sept gib


lostaccount   Canada. Sep 14 2021 16:29. Posts 3649

im out of gme except 1 share where im gonna diamond hand forever

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blackjacki2   United States. Jan 17 2022 00:17. Posts 2524


  On March 26 2021 12:29 gororokgororok wrote:
For anyone looking for a long term investment. Put some money into 'Okta Inc.'. I've worked for this company for years and they are gonna be big. Really big. Their stock has already gone x10 since IPO but recently there was a sell off and its a good time to get some.



A friend of mine was telling me about a friend of his that started working there before their IPO and how he is quite wealthy now. It reminded me of your post from last year. Is there something in particular that makes you so confident?


Baalim   Mexico. Jan 17 2022 03:51. Posts 33969

aaaaaand GME and AMC are finally steadily crumbling

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FrinkX   United States. Jan 17 2022 11:36. Posts 7534

man ur really negative towards these two stocks lol. GME spiked twice since the last time it was talked about. You really think it wont again? Here is yet another chance to reload and go again. Stock only sucks if ur not taking profitz

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k4ir0s   Canada. Jan 17 2022 18:35. Posts 3472

Been wanting to ask,

Are stocks beatable long-term? Where an individual can outperform the s&p 500? Or is it a fools game?

I've been researching a lot of stocks lately and how to evaluate them. By looking at the market cap, PE Ratio, average revenue and EBITDA of recent years etc. I'm under the impression that it's a beatable game if you're intelligent enough to do the research, diversify, and invest long-term, rather than day trade. And I assume my experience in poker would help. But a lot of fish sitting at the poker table online are under the impression that they can also win long-term.

And does technical analysis work?

Looking to start with: Spotify, apple, sony, paypal, amd, and maybe a Chinese e-commerce company like JD.

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k4ir0s   Canada. Jan 17 2022 18:51. Posts 3472


  On March 26 2021 12:29 gororokgororok wrote:
For anyone looking for a long term investment. Put some money into 'Okta Inc.'. I've worked for this company for years and they are gonna be big. Really big. Their stock has already gone x10 since IPO but recently there was a sell off and its a good time to get some.



Hmm only 1 billion revenue in the last year for 32b market cap, and negative net income. U sure?

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 18 2022 04:44. Posts 33969


  On January 17 2022 10:36 FrinkX wrote:
man ur really negative towards these two stocks lol. GME spiked twice since the last time it was talked about. You really think it wont again? Here is yet another chance to reload and go again. Stock only sucks if ur not taking profitz




Because:





It was beautiful watching the short squeeze and seeing funds like Melvin capital hurt bad, but the play was to dump and the companies return to their real price and funds won't dare short a company to the ground again, but no... people went full retard and went from a smart move to a meme, to a cult and now all the bag holdes are retail and they are going to lose their homes and in before the SEC regulates the shit out of places like Robinhood to stop retail to be retarded.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 18 2022 18:34. Posts 9629

MS just bought Activision for 95$ per share (market price is 65$ per share) , Activision holders must be real happy


AMC CEO keeps selling his shares btw, he's been dunking on WSB for a while now. What an exit scam liquidity and he isn't even a part of it, imagine having that luck

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