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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 15 2019 03:54. Posts 11545

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 15 2019 03:55. Posts 11545

Episode 1...

I mean, it was cool to see everyone and learn some new stuff, but nothing really happened in this episode. What's more, the episode was only 52 minutes or so, which is half as long as many people thought it would be (many people thought each episode would be nearly 2 hours long since there are only 6 episodes for this final season).

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 15 2019 07:26. Posts 7174

Well in case you didnt notice its officially published by HBO how long every episode will be

This includes 1minute opening theme+ recap and 1 minute ending credits
So discount 2 minutes of runtime and you have the real length of episodes

Season 8

E1: 54 minutes
E2: 58 minutes
E3: 82 minutes
E4: 78 minutes
E5: 80 minutes
E6: 80 minutes

So yeha E1 was only 52 Minutes.

I thought it was a very good opener with a lot of beautiful pictures
Indeed very slow but "fitting" pace

I personally feel it should have been like ~ 3 minutes longer showing some more Nightking action
I would have loved to see the army of the dead starting war on that boys house and progressing through

++ beautiful pictures
++ original pace
++ good atmosphere

-- not enough undead army screentime

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 15 2019 09:10. Posts 8874

hm weird it was only 51 minutes on HBOGo for me

Anyway I'm suggesting we don't keep the thread spoiler free, unless something leaks. It's a person's own mistake if they open the thread after an episode has aired and spoiled themselves.

Episode 1 was pretty slow I'd say. Also don't really understand the ending, how did they end up in the middle of night king/winterfell???


RiKD    United States. Apr 15 2019 13:29. Posts 5729

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The episode was alright. It felt a bit rushed.


PplusAD   Germany. Apr 15 2019 15:19. Posts 7174

@ spitfiree it was 51 minutes since 1 minute was Season 1-8 recap..... i dont think they will do a season 1-8 recap every episode >-< therefore 2 minute discount .....
I dont understand what you mean by middle of winterfell?

The boy killed was of House Umber
They have their castle in the North at a place named Last Heart

you can see it here

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/g...jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150826183800


So the Night King and his Army have reached Last Heart starting from Castle Black at the beginning of the Episode
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/g...png/revision/latest?cb=20150511053547
So they are about ~ 10-12 days foot march away from Winterfell



@ RIKD
Interesting i was surprised it didnt feel rushed at all for me
I was afraid that they would rush it ....

But instead for me it felt like the whole Episode handeld a timespan of maybe 3-4 days

But when i look at the distances coverd you are probably right.... the little boy did + 10 day travel within that episode and the Night Kings Army did about 6 days travel (And we all know they are hella slow so probably needed 10days+ also)

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 15 2019 21:42. Posts 8874

fwiw, it takes fucking 2-3 months to go from King's Landing to Winterfell and Jaime supposedly did that in what 2 weeks?

edit: apparently its supposed to be around 2400kms, so lets say u are solo moving(which he isnt) going at 120km/day (pretty sure the horse will die after 3 days), you still need 20 days

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 16 2019 03:46. Posts 33087


  On April 15 2019 20:42 Spitfiree wrote:
fwiw, it takes fucking 2-3 months to go from King's Landing to Winterfell and Jaime supposedly did that in what 2 weeks?

edit: apparently its supposed to be around 2400kms, so lets say u are solo moving(which he isnt) going at 120km/day (pretty sure the horse will die after 3 days), you still need 20 days



Jamie has the conversation with Cersei right after the meeting and he decices to fight with the other day so he left not long after Daeneris army.

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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Apr 16 2019 07:19. Posts 1580

yea i thought he left right behind them as well

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 17 2019 10:42. Posts 956

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 17 2019 13:37. Posts 7174

Soft Fantasy Show ?

Plz name me an unsoft Fantasy show then that is on this level ?

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 17 2019 13:50. Posts 956


  On April 17 2019 12:37 PplusAD wrote:
Soft Fantasy Show ?

Plz name me an unsoft Fantasy show then that is on this level ?


yea probably there is nothing better on TV, just used the term soft to be more specific but you are right... and u got angry, relax boy im a fan :D

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FrinkX   United States. Apr 17 2019 14:33. Posts 7493


  On April 15 2019 20:42 Spitfiree wrote:
fwiw, it takes fucking 2-3 months to go from King's Landing to Winterfell and Jaime supposedly did that in what 2 weeks?

edit: apparently its supposed to be around 2400kms, so lets say u are solo moving(which he isnt) going at 120km/day (pretty sure the horse will die after 3 days), you still need 20 days



its a show about zombies, fire magic, and dragons

who cares about time/travel distance making sense. prob had to do it with the time allotted per episode/# of episodes left

they proved last season they dont care with the dragon flying up to save them all north of the wall. all in one night

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 17 2019 20:14. Posts 7174


  On April 17 2019 12:50 Zografa wrote:
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yea probably there is nothing better on TV, just used the term soft to be more specific but you are right... and u got angry, relax boy im a fan :D


I am not angry... i was looking forward to some outstanding hardcore fantasy TV shows ?
T_T

If there were any fantasy shows that are not miles behind GOT in basically every aspect and overall quality i would happily watch them.

I tried Vikings and while it is pretty good its still not even close to GOT in my opinion.
So feel happy to share in case you know more stuff that is like vikings

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 18 2019 04:28. Posts 33087


  On April 17 2019 13:33 FrinkX wrote:
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its a show about zombies, fire magic, and dragons

who cares about time/travel distance making sense. prob had to do it with the time allotted per episode/# of episodes left

they proved last season they dont care with the dragon flying up to save them all north of the wall. all in one night



Sigh again the "this show has magic so nothing needs to be logical" argument... thats bullshit.

Its a universe with dragons and magic, it has to adhere to its rules, if suddenly Michael Jackson appeared and killed the undead-army with a thriller dance that would be awful and "theres magic, so its possible" wouldn't justify it.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 18 2019 06:15. Posts 4496

what if suddenly ed shareen appear'd and starting singing?

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 18 2019 07:18. Posts 956


  On April 18 2019 05:15 Stroggoz wrote:
what if suddenly ed shareen appear'd and starting singing?



it was almost the other way around - the whores were talking about him in the bronn scene

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 18 2019 07:49. Posts 11545


  On April 18 2019 05:15 Stroggoz wrote:
what if suddenly ed shareen appear'd and starting singing?


Rick Astley would stab Ed Sheeran through the heart with dragon glass to ensure he dies and doesn't return as a white walker. Then, Astley would dance over Sheeran's corpse while singing "Never Gonna Give You Up."

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 18 2019 10:08. Posts 956


  On April 17 2019 19:14 PplusAD wrote:
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I am not angry... i was looking forward to some outstanding hardcore fantasy TV shows ?
T_T

If there were any fantasy shows that are not miles behind GOT in basically every aspect and overall quality i would happily watch them.

I tried Vikings and while it is pretty good its still not even close to GOT in my opinion.
So feel happy to share in case you know more stuff that is like vikings



btw check out the series - The Expanse - its basically GoT in space, also there are cool books that the story is based on... really good imo. New season that is coming out will be on amazon so show will get upgrades(bezos said its his fav. show) :D

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 18 2019 11:44. Posts 7174

thx will check it out.

Concerning Episode 2 of Season 8 and what to expect :

I guess it will be pretty similar to Episode1 since its another build up for big battle of episode 3.

I expect some beautiful piuctures , good music , some small action and slow progress.
I would bet on the End of the upcomming episode being the arrival of the NIghtkings Army in Winterfell

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 18 2019 18:29. Posts 956


  On April 18 2019 10:44 PplusAD wrote:
thx will check it out.

Concerning Episode 2 of Season 8 and what to expect :

I guess it will be pretty similar to Episode1 since its another build up for big battle of episode 3.

I expect some beautiful piuctures , good music , some small action and slow progress.
I would bet on the End of the upcomming episode being the arrival of the NIghtkings Army in Winterfell


i think episode 2 will be with much more tension around - with jon knowing the truth and having to make decisions to share it or not, jamie having to face all his enemies and friends.. i think we will get much more suspense, drama and feelings coming out of the screen, should be on a higher level than the first one on all aspects. I am just unsure what cruelty will Cersei and Euron do.

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dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 18 2019 19:37. Posts 1638

this show is turned to mediocre hollywood shit after the first few seasons, probably after they have run out of the books

the producers are just playing safe now, cliches everywhere. CGI <<< quality


whammbot   Belarus. Apr 18 2019 20:08. Posts 387

I need this show and the walking dead to end already. I'm sick and tired of zombies and would probably not be scared anymore if i saw one irl

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 18 2019 20:59. Posts 33087


  On April 18 2019 05:15 Stroggoz wrote:
what if suddenly ed shareen appear'd and starting singing?



LOL

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 18 2019 21:23. Posts 33087


  On April 18 2019 19:08 whammbot wrote:
I need this show and the walking dead to end already. I'm sick and tired of zombies and would probably not be scared anymore if i saw one irl



agree, the only reason is good its because its sitting on the superb character development of G. Martin.


I'm surprised how mediocre and clueless the writers are without guidance... they did a whole Aladdin and Jasmin flying on the carpet scene, and threw an "angry dragon staring at Jon" like Jasmin's Tiger... for fucks sake.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 18 2019 21:34. Posts 7174

LOL

Well there is some truth to it.
In my opinion GOT got a massive drop in overall quality with Season 6 and Season 7 still i want to know how it all ends allthough i expect it to be much more 0815 than what is possible

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TimDawg    United States. Apr 19 2019 01:14. Posts 10188

Solid first episode. I was just expecting a more fast action paced beginning with the end of Season 7 being the ice dragon destroying the Wall.

Anyone else heard of the theory of Littlefinger still being alive? It makes a lot of sense and I could totally see them bringing him back out of nowhere to kill a very well liked character.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 20 2019 21:28. Posts 956


  On April 19 2019 00:14 TimDawg wrote:
Solid first episode. I was just expecting a more fast action paced beginning with the end of Season 7 being the ice dragon destroying the Wall.

Anyone else heard of the theory of Littlefinger still being alive? It makes a lot of sense and I could totally see them bringing him back out of nowhere to kill a very well liked character.




good theory - it would be fun but he is really dead

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 21 2019 01:03. Posts 8874

Littlefinger's death made no sense, the scene was indeed probably the shittiest writing in the history of the show, although as I've been saying the show has gone to shit ever since the script surpassed the books. Extremely poor writing and very rushed action. We get it, you need an insane budget per episode to make it better, but still... I definitely could've seen how Littlefinger "won" the game at the end. It made very little sense for him to be killed though

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 21 2019 07:16. Posts 4496

his death made perfect sense to me and it woulda been completely nonsensical for him not to die, because bran can see everything he is basically god and can see what littlefinger did, why then would they let him get away with what he did. He also said he is a big risk taker, those kind's of people, due to probability, do not live long unless they are pretty lucky. Your forgetting the sand sneks, who imo win the worst or most cringeworthy writing.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 21 2019 16:49. Posts 7174


  On April 19 2019 00:14 TimDawg wrote:
Solid first episode. I was just expecting a more fast action paced beginning with the end of Season 7 being the ice dragon destroying the Wall.

Anyone else heard of the theory of Littlefinger still being alive? It makes a lot of sense and I could totally see them bringing him back out of nowhere to kill a very well liked character.




very interesting and cool theory.

However i am 99,9% sure the show is not that creative and solid anymore to come up with such a theory.

Remember Arya Stark and the Waif ?
Fans came up with all sorts of sick and really interesting theorys.
Just like in the video you showed.

And how did it turn out in the end ?
Complete 0815 bad writing nonsense holywood story T_T

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 21 2019 22:26. Posts 8874

episode 2 leaked in Amazon and its all over the torrents lmao

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 21 2019 22:29. Posts 7174


  On April 21 2019 06:16 Stroggoz wrote:
his death made perfect sense to me and it woulda been completely nonsensical for him not to die, because bran can see everything he is basically god and can see what littlefinger did, why then would they let him get away with what he did. He also said he is a big risk taker, those kind's of people, due to probability, do not live long unless they are pretty lucky. Your forgetting the sand sneks, who imo win the worst or most cringeworthy writing.



Bran cant see everything and he is absolutely not god .....
He has some powerful abilities and knows a lot of stuff....

But i absolutely disagree with him being powerfull as a god

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 22 2019 03:02. Posts 11545

Episode 2 was much better.

I had to Google the age of Maisie Williams during a certain point of the episode.

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MezmerizePLZ    United States. Apr 22 2019 05:37. Posts 2589

Tormund confirmed best character. Probably won't survive too much longer


impact69   Mexico. Apr 22 2019 06:13. Posts 307


  On April 22 2019 02:02 PuertoRican wrote:
Episode 2 was much better.

I had to Google the age of Maisie Williams during a certain point of the episode.



lol I thought she was like fucking 16 and felt bad about it


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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 22 2019 08:57. Posts 7174

I dont see why Episode 2 was much better than Episode 1 ?

To me it was basically the same ?
Lots of pictures , emotions and music

Not really anything worth of note happening.

I am really dissapointed about the lack of White Walker destruction.
I mean the White Walkers are finally fighting the wall at the End of Season 7

Season 8 so far 110minutes of show and only 30seconds White Walker screentime


Besides that i dont get that Bran story in this episode.

He is the memory of the world `?
To erase the world you must destroy its memory first ?

That makes absolutely no sense

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Loco   Canada. Apr 22 2019 09:08. Posts 20012


  On April 22 2019 05:13 impact69 wrote:
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lol I thought she was like fucking 16 and felt bad about it


I thought they used CGI + Show Spoiler +

... apparently not.

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 22 2019 09:11. Posts 11545


  On April 22 2019 07:57 PplusAD wrote:
I dont see why Episode 2 was much better than Episode 1 ?

To me it was basically the same ?
Lots of pictures , emotions and music

Not really anything worth of note happening.

I am really dissapointed about the lack of White Walker destruction.
I mean the White Walkers are finally fighting the wall at the End of Season 7

Season 8 so far 110minutes of show and only 30seconds White Walker screentime


The next 4 episodes are essentially action episodes, since the white walkers are at their doorstep.

It would be funny if Episode 3 is a flashback episode of some kind, thus wasting another episode and dragging it out a bit more. Like, the camera zooms into the Night King's face, goes closer and closer, and goes into his eyeball where we see his history and how he is really a misunderstood man looking to make the world a better place for him and his people.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 22 2019 09:14. Posts 7174

That would be really cool and creative though.
I am fine with that.

But if i learned one thing from Season 6 and Season 7
There wil not be any creative moments in GOT anymore

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Obannon112   Finland. Apr 22 2019 09:23. Posts 43

Watching this episode felt like forever... Also lol at the non-binary knight.


PplusAD   Germany. Apr 22 2019 10:24. Posts 7174

rewatched it for a second time now.

It had some good moments and overall it was a enjoyable experience.
I still dont get Brans words.

I mean yeha its obvious he is something special to the Night King and i even think it would be cool when they are the same.
Its obvious through the last seasons that they have a very strong connection.

I still dont understand how that memory part makes any sense ?
I also dont see how suddenly the Night King decides to erase the world ?

edit
Some research done ->

It seems i had the wrong perception of what bran was.
I thought he was a human and choosen tool that got some super powers to help mankind fullfill a prophecy

But for this Episode to make sense bran cant be even 1% human anymore
he has become somethig completely differnt


he now is basically a giant supercomputer and everything that happens is stored on his HDD.
Him being the computer he can browse this data , load it and manipulate it to some part
He can also enter other creatures since they are basically stored on his HDD aswell.
He could change everything but will not since its not the purpouse of his existance to change stuff
his purpouse is simply to store stuff.

So everything that has happend and is happening is stored in bran.

So seems he is now some kind of "knowledge god" and indeed has access to everything that has happend in this world.


Still it doesnt make sense for the Night King to suddenly declare war on all living after thousands of years of peace ?

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 22 2019 23:42. Posts 8874

In the books, Brann has the ability to see in the past through the Weirdwood trees and also has prophecy dreams. He is also said to be able to skinchange - meaning he should be able to control animals e.g. he controlled Ghost on a few occasions, but didn't know I'm pretty sure. By the time the series is developed, neither of those are even mentioned I think, so the big reveal will most likely be Brann controlling the undead dragon and having a mental battle with the Night King for it.

Now there is also the fact that the "White Walkers" were going after Brann in the books, so that they could actually use him to cross the Wall with his army(thats how white walkers went into the cave of the three-eyed crow, it was magic-protected but Brann got marked), I wouldn't be surprised if he gets caught in the books and gets used, rather than having a fucking dragon randomly die and burn the wall. Brann also is shown how the original undead dude was created, might be hidden info on how to kill them. There is also the paradox theory which is - Bran is actually Bran The Builder, thus if the walkers kill him, there would be no wall, but at this point in the series its kinda irrelevant.

Honestly, with how shallow the show has become I don't have a relevant theory of what's going on. I just know it's going to be utterly disappointing, just can't wait for it to be over, so GRRM can finish his books.

The NK doesn't exist in the books, there s not a single leader. It's a bunch of them... so w/e

The only thing that I think matches is the prophecy of the prince who was promised, which is either Jon Snow or Daenerys, unless a 3rd Targeryan shows up or there is some random plot twist.

I'm guessing then its Jon Snow, he ends up defeating all of the WW and he also slaughters all Starks as well including burning Winterfell down and then dying himself and we have teh show ending with everything in ruin with Cersei still being Cersei and Daenerys showing real signs of madness -> End Credits bye,bye

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impact69   Mexico. Apr 23 2019 02:31. Posts 307

so Tyrion is not a Targeryan after all?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 23 2019 04:34. Posts 4496

eh, hoping the night king makes the long night that lasts forever. he's the only one without bad scriptwriters.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 23 2019 09:47. Posts 7174


  On April 22 2019 22:42 Spitfiree wrote:


Honestly, with how shallow the show has become I don't have a relevant theory of what's going on. I just know it's going to be utterly disappointing, just can't wait for it to be over, so GRRM can finish his books.




couldnt agree more.
This whole show has become so straightforward and shallow.

During Season 6 , 7 and 8 in many scenes and possible scenarios i have asked myself plenty of times:

" Is there more to it ? This all cant be that simple and straightforward "
And every fucking time it was that simple and straightforward....


Night King and his goals perfecly fits into that sadness


The White Walkers and the Humans have lived in "peace" for thousands of years with Craster sacrificing male babys to the NIght King


Suddenly for no apparent reason the Night King gathers an army and starts marching south.


There are plenty of theorys on youtube what he could possibly want and why he started marching.
Some of the well thought and creative.

But the simple truth ?

---He wants to destroy all living ----

badabum tssss

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 23 2019 19:02. Posts 8874


  On April 23 2019 08:47 PplusAD wrote:
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The White Walkers and the Humans have lived in "peace" for thousands of years with Craster sacrificing male babys to the NIght King



That's the thing. In the books the "Night's King" is the ruler of the castle on the Wall where Bran came back from and he was supposedly married to a white walker (could actually have been married to a white walker so do a peace agreement, since if the WW are Starks, thats how they do peace agreements)... anyway he was giving away babies to the white walkers as well until Brandon the Builder slaughtered everyone there. The show also ignores the fact that white walkers can speak and have a language which the humans don't understand.... they are not zombies..

It's also quite important that Craster was giving male babys in particular, as it adds to the "prince that was promised" narrative. Could be also the reason why they march south.

The "they want everyone dead and a long night" sounds reasonable as dumb as it sounds, since they are a hive mind basically. Thats how hive minds operate, they assimilate everything into their environment and make it their own

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 23 2019 19:38. Posts 956

being so critical on the show feels weird to me - its still the best fantasy on tv by a large margin even in its weakest moments...

its obv that they cannot make it as good as seasons 1-6(i think season 6 is where content from Martin finished and they had to invent the story to the end) but its still good, also the second episode is MUCH better than than first one but they could be one single 80 minutes episode and that would have been best

so much happened in ep.2...
the most epic part to me was how Brienne was knighted by Jamie - this scene was so deep when you start with their relations evolution to this moment and finish with a detail that Brienne and Jamie actually hold 2 parts of the same sword - Neds Stark sword - Ice that is home again and will defend Winterfell

the song at the end is also a huge spoiler if you check the background story

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 23 2019 19:55. Posts 956

Spitfire im rereading your post and it seems u didnt watch the show at all - Bran had all those skills in the TV show as well - he controlled Ghost and Summer, as well as Hodor he also had a prophecy dream

also please stop comparing a tv show to the books about deepness and shallowness, the only fair comparison is the seasons where they had support from Martin's manuscripts(probably until 6th season with some plot holes here and there in 4-6 seasons) vs the seasons they dont 7+8 - quality is suffering but its still good. And yes its a lot harder to finish someones else story especially if you are not into writing that deep Martin is writing...

P.s also having a shoot out from S.K. himself means something in my book:
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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 23 2019 21:19. Posts 11545


  On April 23 2019 18:55 Zografa wrote:
Spitfire im rereading your post and it seems u didnt watch the show at all - Bran had all those skills in the TV show as well - he controlled Ghost and Summer, as well as Hodor he also had a prophecy dream

also please stop comparing a tv show to the books about deepness and shallowness, the only fair comparison is the seasons where they had support from Martin's manuscripts(probably until 6th season with some plot holes here and there in 4-6 seasons) vs the seasons they dont 7+8 - quality is suffering but its still good. And yes its a lot harder to finish someones else story especially if you are not into writing that deep Martin is writing...

P.s also having a shoot out from S.K. himself means something in my book:
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Agreed.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 23 2019 23:35. Posts 7174


  On April 23 2019 18:38 Zografa wrote:
being so critical on the show feels weird to me - its still the best fantasy on tv by a large margin even in its weakest moments...





No doubt about that

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 24 2019 07:45. Posts 8874


  On April 23 2019 18:38 Zografa wrote:
its still the best fantasy on tv by a large margin even in its weakest moments...


Indeed, except I'd rather keep my standards high rather than decrease them cause they didn't do their work properly. All of this could've been resolved if GRRM was pushed to finish his books.

At the moment, the characters are losing their personalities (at least a lot of them). Brienne's scene was indeed the only one that had depth

Arya's sex scene was just another Hollywood stupidass bullshit. She was afraid of dying, thus wanted to try everything out ... is that it? They used the biggest cliche argument to force a completely unnecessary scene for the moment on one of the most badass characters in the series.

Tyrion has been starting to lose his grip ever since the book plot ran out as well. He used to be one of the most diverse, complex characters... if not the most complex one.

Could honestly go for ages.

Even without GRRM, they could've just taken a pause to write a proper script, just like Jonathan Nolan took a good long break with his wife to write the 2nd season of Westworld and most likely gonna do the same thing for the 3rd one, just like they take ages inbetween Mr. Robot seasons to write proper scripts. GoT has shitton of characters so they probably needed much more than what they took as a break


Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 24 2019 09:10. Posts 956

Westworld 2nd season went full retard - Nolan needed to take 5-6 years maybe...

As i said its one thing to create your own story, the way you want from scratch and its another, much harder, to finish someone else story, where u already have so much going on.

GoT is the show of the 2010's and i think it will go down as one of the greatest tv shows we ever saw in the HBO era, to me it goes right at the top with the likes of Sopranos and The Wire.

Martin himself said in a very recent interview that when they were discussing the potential show in 2009 he was sure to finish the books by the time the show catches up. I feel he got little bit confused on 2 parts:
- show runners cut down the number of characters greatly and thinned the story plots - if they were to build and expand all of his characters in the books it would probably require double or triple the number of episodes(not that i mind it). Just see how they completely isolated Dorn and the 3rd Targaryen story lines, there is also much of secondary characters that are very interesting in the books but a complete no show on TV
- he overestimated his own capabilities - the world he created is insanely big and complex, the story lines are very difficult to resolve in just 2 normal books, he even mentioned that books might go to few thousands of pages each

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 24 2019 16:03. Posts 7174

So far the only show i have ever seen that got better and better and then ended with a big fucking bang right when it was at its peak was Breaking Bad.
I still love it for being absolutely insane and on point with ending it at the perfect moment

GOT simply got waaaay too big with time and they could not handle the complexity anymore.

There are so many Sidestorys that simply will not be finished since there is no time for it. (Only 4 Episodes left)
You can clearly see this with Varys and Tyrion

Both characters have turned from important masterminds who achieve complicated plot twists to unimportant side figures who are basically there for the sole purpouse of being there.,..
Little Fingers death also fits into that scheme.
All the real masterminds who made complicated stuff work got dumbed down by a large margin.

When you run out of time you play human emotions and action scenes instead of complicated and intelligent ideas with complex plots.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 24 2019 17:30. Posts 956


  On April 24 2019 15:03 PplusAD wrote:
So far the only show i have ever seen that got better and better and then ended with a big fucking bang right when it was at its peak was Breaking Bad.
I still love it for being absolutely insane and on point with ending it at the perfect moment

GOT simply got waaaay too big with time and they could not handle the complexity anymore.

There are so many Sidestorys that simply will not be finished since there is no time for it. (Only 4 Episodes left)
You can clearly see this with Varys and Tyrion

Both characters have turned from important masterminds who achieve complicated plot twists to unimportant side figures who are basically there for the sole purpouse of being there.,..
Little Fingers death also fits into that scheme.
All the real masterminds who made complicated stuff work got dumbed down by a large margin.

When you run out of time you play human emotions and action scenes instead of complicated and intelligent ideas with complex plots.




True - the spider probably had an interesting backstory and motivations... maybe we will see some of this but it will be just small chunks of the whole thing.
Tyrion on the other hand... there are 2 scenes already that are kind of tricky to me and both went "no show" by the HBO - his talks with Cersei(the ending) and the whole Bran talk in ep.2(also we saw Bran staring at him in ep.1). I feel we will see this whole plot unfolding in the next episodes... i think he will surprise us in a negative way but its just my 2 cents of speculation.

Breaking Bad is an amazing show indeed, definitely one of the top of all time for me, however its again unfair comparison.

I myself took the position to just watch and enjoy the GoT final episodes with as much pleasure as possible, ofc i notice the problems every hard core fan notices, but if you always focus on this what is the point of even watching? Wasting like 10h per season just to say its crap(when you already know it will fail at the points u expect it to fail).

In fact i was one of the biggest haters of the show when it first started and now i organize watch parties at home lol...

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 24 2019 22:50. Posts 8874

GRRM is split between so many projects I'm starting to doubt he finishes the story in his lifetime ( I really don't see how its even possible to do it in 2000 pages ). Not even gonna buy "Blood and Fire" before he finishes the story ... just cba starting another fantasy story that hasn't been finished yet, already have enough of that plus Tool's album so that's plenty.

Anyway back to GoT - so Jaime should probably die in the battle and Arya probably gonna use his face to kill Cersei later on, which would fulfill the prophecies for both of them

Also there is probably some "masterplan" in place by Bran for the battle, which we're not aware of the kind of like the one in the battle of Blackwater with Tyrion (except in that one there were plenty of actions that hinted at it), thats the only thing I could find plausible to make up for the "hurr durr im the world's memory" bullshit.

Also I think they are overplaying the battle by shittons. Best case scenario - the dead are around 100-120k, while Daenerys's army is around 220-250k ALONE, excluding the North and everyone else, making the total around 350 to 400k vs 120k dead. I get that most of the dead soldiers become a part of the army of the dead, but even if they get to burn like 30% of their own bodies and with the 4 to 1 advantage, they should be pretty fine. Question is, is the Iron Fleet travelling to fuck em up after that already? Cersei was not shown once in the previous episode, that's not something uncommon for GoT, but it does raise some questions since there are 4 episodes left and every time a main character was not in the episode, that episode was a bigass battle or some major event, which in this case it wasn't

P.S. How was WW S2 shit.. everything was pretty well thought out of

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 25 2019 00:06. Posts 33087

lol what do you mean they are overplaying the battle? it has been an 8 season long build up for the battle

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 25 2019 00:19. Posts 11545


  On April 24 2019 08:10 Zografa wrote:
Westworld 2nd season went full retard - Nolan needed to take 5-6 years maybe...


Episode 1 of Season 2 ruined the show for me. I didn't finish Episode 1, and I stopped watching the show after that.

Considering how popular Season 1 was, I barely saw any HBO promotion for Season 2 after the first episode.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2019 08:17. Posts 8874


  On April 24 2019 23:06 Baalim wrote:
lol what do you mean they are overplaying the battle? it has been an 8 season long build up for the battle



I mean that the dead are not that big of a threat because their numbers are super low. Obviously shittons of people will die since.. its still gonna be sketchy but Westeros isn't under a real threat by them, there should be no way they win unless Westorosi go full retard. Still gonna be epic though

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2019 09:27. Posts 956


  On April 25 2019 07:17 Spitfiree wrote:
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I mean that the dead are not that big of a threat because their numbers are super low. Obviously shittons of people will die since.. its still gonna be sketchy but Westeros isn't under a real threat by them, there should be no way they win unless Westorosi go full retard. Still gonna be epic though


Danny had limited amount of ships - she didnt transfer all her armies and the north armies are kind of thin after fighting so many wars... the fact that Jamie said that 20k golden company + the lannister leftovers will be more than enough to defeat them after the battle with the dead is over confirms that. Also the dead probably grinded out the whole north around Winterfell(remember Umbers and Glovers(i will stand behind Jon Snow lol) didnt make it and they are the biggest houses there).

Another factor is that every dead from the human armies will be immediately turned to undead making things harder. Also other factors is the speed of the undead and so on...

The battle is so hyped up to be epic and i just hope it really is, but it will be not the end of either humanity and undead... i mean its kind of obvious Winterfell is going down and we will have another big battle and more drama later.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 25 2019 14:24. Posts 7174


  On April 24 2019 21:50 Spitfiree wrote:
GRRM is split between so many projects I'm starting to doubt he finishes the story in his lifetime ( I really don't see how its even possible to do it in 2000 pages ). Not even gonna buy "Blood and Fire" before he finishes the story ... just cba starting another fantasy story that hasn't been finished yet, already have enough of that plus Tool's album so that's plenty.

Anyway back to GoT - so Jaime should probably die in the battle and Arya probably gonna use his face to kill Cersei later on, which would fulfill the prophecies for both of them

Also there is probably some "masterplan" in place by Bran for the battle, which we're not aware of the kind of like the one in the battle of Blackwater with Tyrion (except in that one there were plenty of actions that hinted at it), thats the only thing I could find plausible to make up for the "hurr durr im the world's memory" bullshit.

Also I think they are overplaying the battle by shittons. Best case scenario - the dead are around 100-120k, while Daenerys's army is around 220-250k ALONE, excluding the North and everyone else, making the total around 350 to 400k vs 120k dead. I get that most of the dead soldiers become a part of the army of the dead, but even if they get to burn like 30% of their own bodies and with the 4 to 1 advantage, they should be pretty fine. Question is, is the Iron Fleet travelling to fuck em up after that already? Cersei was not shown once in the previous episode, that's not something uncommon for GoT, but it does raise some questions since there are 4 episodes left and every time a main character was not in the episode, that episode was a bigass battle or some major event, which in this case it wasn't

P.S. How was WW S2 shit.. everything was pretty well thought out of




How do you come up with that number ?


400K Army ???



Unsullied are 13.000 Soldiers
Dorthraki Army under Drogo were 40.000 soldiers i believe they are a lot less under Danys rule.
Average House in the North has like 3000-6000 soldiers

So lets say
Army of all North forces combined

13.000 Unsullied Soldiers
20.000-30.000 Dorthraki Soldiers
2 Dragons
30.000 Soldiers of different houses united under the North
2000 Wildling warriors leftovers ? (John snow had 3000Wildling fighters in the battle of the bastards)

Thats nowhere near 400K
more like 80K

Undead Army
~ 120k Undead + Some white Walkers + Nightking + Viserion Undead Dragon
pretty even odds imo


The Lannister Army was 20.000 men + 20.000 men Golden Company + Eurons Army
So in case 50% of people from the North die vs undead and they lose their dragons

It would be a pretty even and dangerous battle vs Lannister + Golden Company + Euron

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2019 16:46. Posts 956


  On April 25 2019 13:24 PplusAD wrote:
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How do you come up with that number ?


400K Army ???



Unsullied are 13.000 Soldiers
Dorthraki Army under Drogo were 40.000 soldiers i believe they are a lot less under Danys rule.
Average House in the North has like 3000-6000 soldiers

So lets say
Army of all North forces combined

13.000 Unsullied Soldiers
20.000-30.000 Dorthraki Soldiers
2 Dragons
30.000 Soldiers of different houses united under the North
2000 Wildling warriors leftovers ? (John snow had 3000Wildling fighters in the battle of the bastards)

Thats nowhere near 400K
more like 80K

Undead Army
~ 120k Undead + Some white Walkers + Nightking + Viserion Undead Dragon
pretty even odds imo


The Lannister Army was 20.000 men + 20.000 men Golden Company + Eurons Army
So in case 50% of people from the North die vs undead and they lose their dragons

It would be a pretty even and dangerous battle vs Lannister + Golden Company + Euron


Just from the first line i can see your numbers are wrong by a large margin as well:
Danny started with 8000 Unsullied(this is the only exact number we heard when she was doing business with the masters) given the fact they had few battles that number can be cut down by at least 2000.
The north army is far less than your stated numbers - 2 of the biggest houses are fighting for the dead now - Umber and Glover(Umber kid died in ep.1 and Glover never went to Winterfell), others suffered greatly during the war with Rob and in BoB(Ramsey statement - Jon has less than 3k and he has 6k, after the blood bath those are probably halved or even worse). Lets say that the north + lord Royce forces together are about 10k ppl(that can be a big overestimation imo).
The Dothraki army has to be around 15k ppl because Danny had around 1000 ships to begin with, some of them filled by the Unsullied and horses are big you know...

In general i dont see the joint armies bigger than 30-35k ppl(and this is maximum).

The dead have more than 100k for sure(Dannys statement + recent recruits).

2 Dragons yes but only 1 experienced rider - Danny, and one noob - Jon vs The NK and his 100(at least) generals who can shoot down dragons with ice javelins.
NK brings the storm as well that will make dragon battles harder for Jon/Danny
I forgot to mention the dead have giants and other animals with them(we saw a bear the very least).

It seems to me to be a very very tough battle for the living smth like 25-30% chance for the living because they are fortified in Winterfell, if they fight in the open they are probably doomed.

P.s 400k army wtf dude? Seriously, first you say Bran didnt warg anyone in the show and now this... i think u just never watched the show or what?




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dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 25 2019 17:33. Posts 1638

rotfl at these numbers and calculations

its obvious winterfell is going down regardless of the numbers. We are at the start of the season and they are at the gates.

nevertheless it would be epic if they defeat the dead in episode 3 and rest of the season is just a FFA for the throne between all the houses.


Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2019 17:36. Posts 956


  On April 25 2019 16:33 dnagardi wrote:
rotfl at these numbers and calculations

its obvious winterfell is going down regardless of the numbers. We are at the start of the season and they are at the gates.

nevertheless it would be epic if they defeat the dead in episode 3 and rest of the season is just a FFA for the throne between all the houses.


you may rofl its a nerd argument in here nobody said else

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 25 2019 18:01. Posts 7174

Could be:

Was not sure about the unsullied but thought i did read somewhere they are + 13.000 Soldiers

edit:
Season 3
Daenerys offers one of her dragons in exchange for 8,000 Unsullied and the boys still in training (about 5,000). The offer is accepted.
Considering many years have passed she now indeed had 13.000 unsullied warriors
some of them died in battles but not too many i cant remember any big battle where lots of unsullied died



Dothraki numer indeed is unclear since there were a total of 100.000 Dothraki warriors of which 40.000 were under Kal Drogos Banner
We do not know how many Dothraki fit on Danys 1000 ships ?

15.000 seems a possible number.

20.000 could also be possible

12.000 could also be possible

we simply do not know other than it is for sure a considerable amount less than 40.000 which Kal Drogo had


Wildlings :
We do not know :
It was 3000 warriors but many died in BoB

could be 2000 now could be 1000 could be 2500... wie simply do not know


The North
is very difficult to estimate , too
Most houses had 2000-6000 soldiers but some of them like House Mormont almost completely died fighting with Rob Stark vs Lannisters and Boltons
The number of total remaining fighters could be anything from 10.000-30.000 (Knights of the Vale are a big Army probably 4000+ alone)

we simply do not know .

So lets assume worst case ->

11.000 ;unsullied
12.000 ;dothraki
10.000 ;6North houses left with the Starks
1500 ;wildlings (assuming 50% died in BoB)

Id say your estimated 35k is the absolute minimum and not the maximum at best


We will never know exact numbers but its probably somehwere between 35k and 80k

But one thing is for sure
400K is completely out of discussion

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 25 2019 18:53. Posts 7174

New Theory out

Night King attacking kings Landing first , killing ceresei to raise 500k more dead people and sandwich Winterfell

If this was true i would be very happy.
It makes a ton of sense !



But as said many times before i dont think this will happen with nowadays straight foward simplification

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dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 25 2019 19:04. Posts 1638


  On April 25 2019 17:53 PplusAD wrote:
New Theory out

Night King attacking kings Landing first , killing ceresei to raise 500k more dead people and sandwich Winterfell

If this was true i would be very happy.
It makes a ton of sense !



But as said many times before i dont think this will happen with nowadays straight foward simplification



well they would notice if the dead started marching south.... the northeners would help cersei and sandwhich the dead.


PplusAD   Germany. Apr 25 2019 21:16. Posts 7174

Only the NIghtking on his dragon raising an army on his way

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2019 21:58. Posts 956


  On April 25 2019 17:01 PplusAD wrote:
Could be:

Was not sure about the unsullied but thought i did read somewhere they are + 13.000 Soldiers

edit:
Season 3
Daenerys offers one of her dragons in exchange for 8,000 Unsullied and the boys still in training (about 5,000). The offer is accepted.
Considering many years have passed she now indeed had 13.000 unsullied warriors
some of them died in battles but not too many i cant remember any big battle where lots of unsullied died



Dothraki numer indeed is unclear since there were a total of 100.000 Dothraki warriors of which 40.000 were under Kal Drogos Banner
We do not know how many Dothraki fit on Danys 1000 ships ?

15.000 seems a possible number.

20.000 could also be possible

12.000 could also be possible

we simply do not know other than it is for sure a considerable amount less than 40.000 which Kal Drogo had


Wildlings :
We do not know :
It was 3000 warriors but many died in BoB

could be 2000 now could be 1000 could be 2500... wie simply do not know


The North
is very difficult to estimate , too
Most houses had 2000-6000 soldiers but some of them like House Mormont almost completely died fighting with Rob Stark vs Lannisters and Boltons
The number of total remaining fighters could be anything from 10.000-30.000 (Knights of the Vale are a big Army probably 4000+ alone)

we simply do not know .

So lets assume worst case ->

11.000 ;unsullied
12.000 ;dothraki
10.000 ;6North houses left with the Starks
1500 ;wildlings (assuming 50% died in BoB)

Id say your estimated 35k is the absolute minimum and not the maximum at best


We will never know exact numbers but its probably somehwere between 35k and 80k

But one thing is for sure
400K is completely out of discussion



True, also we have to consider Danny left part of her armies behind in Essos to maintain peace with Daario as ruler.

Anyway i feel it is something like 3 to 1 in terms of numbers(Dead vs Alive) with the dead having other advantages such as:
- big creatures like Giants, Bears and who knows what
- speed - we saw how fast they move when they want
- javelin trowing generals who can kill dragons
- the storm that will act as a big fog of war in their favor
- the generals can raise everyone who dies from the living as an undead

Winterfell only advantage to me seems fortification and probably that they will be able to kill the undead for the first time(i mean almost everyone has dragonglass weapon now?) also Arya has this magic stick made so she will shoot at the NK's dragon at some point?

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 25 2019 23:28. Posts 8874

What are you guys talking about, the dorthraki that joined her in the end alone are 120k+ and thats excluding Drogo's dorthraki ( from 40k she probably has at least 20k left of those) and then you have unsullied which are at least 13k
Her army alone should be at least 150k

She had over 1000 ships to transfer her army, which makes 150 people per ship and considering its a fantasy she easily did that ( yeah lets not argue about that, since you know how the travelling in those tv series works... )

Not quite sure how big the army of the North is but I imagine with the freefolk they should be shittons


edit: I just saw that Winterfell's armies were around 5k for the battle of the bastards, which is just pathetic lmao why does Sansa think she has any way of not bending

The army of the Vale is 40 to 45k though and afaik they are at Winterfell rn

And then we have the freefolk which I have no clue how many they are

Worst case scenario there should be around 200k at Winterfell defense as of this moment


edit2: Originally Daenerys thought Drogo alone to have 100k, turned out he has 40k. The Dorthraki whose chiefs she burned at the other continent and joined her are 100k + and then you have Drogo's dorthraki as well... She literally has all dorthraki under her rule. You guys have it all mixed up. Also she got ALL Unsullied not only the 8,000 at the beginning, she literally bought every one of them from the smallest child that wasn't even properly trained yet and almost none of them died. She lost like 50 tops of those

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 11:11. Posts 956


  On April 25 2019 22:28 Spitfiree wrote:
What are you guys talking about, the dorthraki that joined her in the end alone are 120k+ and thats excluding Drogo's dorthraki ( from 40k she probably has at least 20k left of those) and then you have unsullied which are at least 13k
Her army alone should be at least 150k

She had over 1000 ships to transfer her army, which makes 150 people per ship and considering its a fantasy she easily did that ( yeah lets not argue about that, since you know how the travelling in those tv series works... )

Not quite sure how big the army of the North is but I imagine with the freefolk they should be shittons


edit: I just saw that Winterfell's armies were around 5k for the battle of the bastards, which is just pathetic lmao why does Sansa think she has any way of not bending

The army of the Vale is 40 to 45k though and afaik they are at Winterfell rn

And then we have the freefolk which I have no clue how many they are

Worst case scenario there should be around 200k at Winterfell defense as of this moment


edit2: Originally Daenerys thought Drogo alone to have 100k, turned out he has 40k. The Dorthraki whose chiefs she burned at the other continent and joined her are 100k + and then you have Drogo's dorthraki as well... She literally has all dorthraki under her rule. You guys have it all mixed up. Also she got ALL Unsullied not only the 8,000 at the beginning, she literally bought every one of them from the smallest child that wasn't even properly trained yet and almost none of them died. She lost like 50 tops of those


I dont really know how u came with those numbers but they are wrong for one reason only(im not even going to dissect every number) - and that is it will be very illogical for the whole show at this point.

Why would they feel doomed if they had 200k at Winterfell(or even 400k?) + 2 dragons + dragon glass weapons, fortifications etc?

Why would Jamie say that 20k golden company + lannister leftovers + the fleet of Euron will defeat them easy(even if its after the battle of Winterfell where they lose 50%)?

Those numbers just dont make any sense at all if we have 100k as the dead army number and the almost suicidal/tragic comments every character on the show makes in Winterfell?


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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 11:22. Posts 8874

Thats what I'm saying, they are overplaying it. Also you can't justify your argument by those means as they are anecdotal. Each one of those armies is clearly stated in some point of the story.

Drogo has 40,000
The last Dorthraki that joined her were stated to be 100,000
She originally buys 8,000 Unsullied then rapes everyone with them and free all of the rest which should be around 5,000 more. Barely any of them die anywhere
The army of the Vale is 45,000

Its exactly your point that's making me say they are overplaying this by shittons. Jaime's statement makes no sense. The dead could at least handle the 2 dragons and they have no emotions, Cersei can't (unless she developed some weapon). The 2 dragons alone can just burn all of the armies on the Lannister's sides, the moment they see them most people will just start running


Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 12:21. Posts 956


  On April 26 2019 10:22 Spitfiree wrote:
Thats what I'm saying, they are overplaying it. Also you can't justify your argument by those means as they are anecdotal. Each one of those armies is clearly stated in some point of the story.

Drogo has 40,000
The last Dorthraki that joined her were stated to be 100,000
She originally buys 8,000 Unsullied then rapes everyone with them and free all of the rest which should be around 5,000 more. Barely any of them die anywhere
The army of the Vale is 45,000

Its exactly your point that's making me say they are overplaying this by shittons. Jaime's statement makes no sense. The dead could at least handle the 2 dragons and they have no emotions, Cersei can't (unless she developed some weapon). The 2 dragons alone can just burn all of the armies on the Lannister's sides, the moment they see them most people will just start running



Lets start here - Vale army - 45k - Sansa mentions in Eastwatch episode that Royce has 2000 knights?



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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 18:34. Posts 956

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comme...mchair/?ref=share&ref_source=link

someone did his homework lol, talk about nerd level

plz stop that 200k-400k crap now so we can enjoy the battle

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 18:34. Posts 8874

Lets stop here since one google search confirms what he says and then confirms me ---> House Royce -> https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/House_Royce -> 2,000 Men

They are under House Arryn which rules the Vale

House Arryn and all of its banners is 45,000 ---> https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/House_Arryn


So, yes thats what I've been trying to explain, the screenwriters of the show are complete retards

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 18:39. Posts 956


  On April 26 2019 17:34 Spitfiree wrote:
Lets stop here since one google search confirms what he says and then confirms me ---> House Royce -> https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/House_Royce -> 2,000 Men

They are under House Arryn which rules the Vale

House Arryn and all of its banners is 45,000 ---> https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/House_Arryn


So, yes thats what I've been trying to explain, the screenwriters of the show are complete retards


Just follow my link above... pretty good explanation why you are wrong. Army of the living in the show at current moment is for sure smaller than the army of the dead and i mean by a large margin.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2019 20:45. Posts 8874

Thats pretty impressive by him


PuertoRican   United States. Apr 27 2019 05:07. Posts 11545



(Start at 5:00)

I always listen to this guy for my in-depth Game of Thrones information.

He lists how many people are available from each house.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 27 2019 13:37. Posts 956


  On April 26 2019 19:45 Spitfiree wrote:
Thats pretty impressive by him


indeed ive lurked some in reddit after i saw this post... amazing posts by some peeps... shows how big of a thing is this GoT universe

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 27 2019 23:08. Posts 7174

Well i think we are done with the numbers
enough talk about them.


The Question of tomorrow night will be :

Who dies

my top pics :

Greyworm ->
to me pretty obvious : He basically is born to die in battle + he has no important role in all that prophecy stuff + he had some goodbye kiss scenes with his lady
-
Brienne ->
that whole she finally becomes a knight stuff somehow feels like her journey has ended + she is in the Battlefront + she has no important role in all that prophecy stuff
-
Jorah Mormont ->
he has no important role in all that prophecy stuff + he had some pretty deciding scene where he said that he wished to be hand of the queen but not realiced that Tyrion is better suited for that job
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Tormund -> he just became the fan favourite last episode and basically is born to die in battle + he has no important role in all that prophecy stuff


out of these 4 people id say at least 2 die for sure and possible all of them will die



Small chance of death for one of the big players , too

Jamie Lannister may die
Theon Greyjoy may die


very small chance but would be pretty schocking and cool

Dany dies !
For some unknown reason somehow Nightking manages to kill Dany and so Jon Snow is the undisputed KING of humanity

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 28 2019 00:15. Posts 4496

been watching the last kingdom, feel's a lot more authentic than this show now, altho it is low budget. It is set in the dark ages. anyone else watch it? Game of thrones no longer seems like a medieval setting to me, it partly feels like it's set in the 21st century to me, not technologically wise, but with the way people behave, their beliefs, the way they talk.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 28 2019 00:59. Posts 8874

would be quite weird if no major character dies e.g. Jaimie, Arya, Sansa rank

I can see Brienne suiciding to save Jaimie, but I can see the vice-versa as well

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 28 2019 01:30. Posts 33087


  On April 27 2019 23:15 Stroggoz wrote:
been watching the last kingdom, feel's a lot more authentic than this show now, altho it is low budget. It is set in the dark ages. anyone else watch it? Game of thrones no longer seems like a medieval setting to me, it partly feels like it's set in the 21st century to me, not technologically wise, but with the way people behave, their beliefs, the way they talk.



I've watched it too but its certanly many tiers lower than GOT in terms of writing, obviously the first 4 seasons before it went off the rails

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 28 2019 06:17. Posts 11545


  On April 27 2019 23:59 Spitfiree wrote:
would be quite weird if no major character dies e.g. Jaimie, Arya, Sansa rank

I can see Brienne suiciding to save Jaimie, but I can see the vice-versa as well


I still have no idea why they never made a weapon for Jamie's hand.

Plenty of villains over the years have a weapon that they can twist on and off in place of their missing hand, just like the villain in Enter the Dragon:



Rekrul is a newb 

PplusAD   Germany. Apr 28 2019 10:45. Posts 7174


  On April 27 2019 23:15 Stroggoz wrote:
...... Game of thrones no longer seems like a medieval setting to me, it partly feels like it's set in the 21st century to me, not technologically wise, but with the way people behave, their beliefs, the way they talk.



Damn that hit me ....
But its true.


I couldnt figure out why i find Episode 2 of Season 8 absolutely medicore while all the casuals think its the best Episode of all times.....

I thought its mainly for the shallowness that replaced complex poliitics with feelings/emotions.

The only scene in Episode2 i really loved was the talk between Dany and Sansa.
I loved it because it was one of that typical game of thrones moments were everything is differnt than what it first seems.
Dany and Sansa had some obstacles with their relationship and then it seems they get to know each other better and start to like each other and just when you think finally those 2 girls get their shit together Sansa drops the hammer.
She basically says that if Dany wants to rule over them she has to kill them after the war cause they will not bend to anyone again ever.
This implies that Sansa was aware that she will not bend to Dany at the start of their talk but still let Dany talk about her side of the story not beause she gave her a chance to become friends but to get more details about how her mindset is,
This is how you treat an enemy (who does not know he is seen as enemy) to get an advantage .

This scene was absolutely great in my opinion.


Rest of the scenes were a lot more shallow imo
The trial at the start was cringeworthy since Danys speech made no sense at all...... afterall her father was a mad bastard and Jamie saved the world
Brans -> "The things you do for love" was at a bad timing imo..... it would have been so much cooler if he said that to jamie in private instead of randomly dropping it at the court ...

The Knighting Scene of Brienne......
Well that part felt like a Disney movie.... Tormund was funy but i dont think GOT is a bout being a funny show.

Lots of the reunions where shallow imo and poorley executed.


And i think one major reason i felt they were shallow and poorley exectued was that the people talked and behaved like 21Century people.
That hit me like a truck when u said that.
Didnt realize back then and wonderd why it felt so off....

now i know ;(

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 28 2019 13:59. Posts 4496

yes and it's become very simplistic. The way you make people beleive it's a medieval fantasy is through attention to the smallest detail. When we watch TV we can't consciously take in all of this detail, but it seeps in and feel's real to us. Take a tv show like Rome and it's just amazing at all of the detail put into it. And in particular, the character Vorenus is amazingly written, he feels like the kind of person who'se character you could expect from a high ranking roman military officer back then. Here's a scene from that show, that you just can't get from recent game of thrones; these kind's of scenes are here for character development and to make us beleive that it actually is ancient rome. Those are the kind's of conversation's they have.



@ spitfire. it's kinda funny making predictions about who dies/lives. predictions have to be made off very strange factors. Like, i could predict that everyone dies because that's the most realistic outcome if the night king's army is more powerful, then it makes sense that he just kills everyone and adds them to his army. But obv not many would predict that, since this is a tv show and it may be pointless to build up so many characters like that just to kill em all off mid season. We make these predictions based off the scriptwriters personality, and what might make a decent script, largely, not by what makes sense, that is for sure.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 28 2019 14:53. Posts 8874

I agree, if I have to follow logic, the night king would just siege Winterfell and starve them out with a good chunk of forces and push to KIng's Lnading with rest


PuertoRican   United States. Apr 29 2019 03:24. Posts 11545

Episode 3 was SO SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The director for Episode 3 is also directing Episode 5, which means we might see another battle in there.

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RiKD    United States. Apr 29 2019 03:36. Posts 5729

@Stroggoz

Rome was soooo good. One of my favorites. I would say Rome is better than post-GRR Martin GoT surely. So is Deadwood.

Re: GoT

I really enjoyed this episode although I thought some of the scenes in the corridors with Arya were a bit convoluted. That isn't the precise word. Stupid is another word. Really a tough episode to build though I'm sure and I'll put my quibbles aside and just say I really enjoyed this episode.


Daut    United States. Apr 29 2019 04:20. Posts 8897

Not sure if we're doing the spoiler thing for this season, but I'll go ahead and do it in case.

+ Show Spoiler +

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 29 2019 04:34. Posts 11545

Rekrul is a newb 

Daut    United States. Apr 29 2019 04:36. Posts 8897


  On April 29 2019 03:20 Daut wrote:
Are we sure who died this episode?

100% dead: Mormonts, Theon, Beric, Edd, Melisandre,
Not sure if dead: Jamie and Brienne? Greyworm? Tormund? Sam? Podrick? Missandei? Jon's dragon?
Not dead: Bran, Arya, Sansa, Jon, Dany, Hound, Tyrion, Varys, Ghost, Davos, Drogon


Looks like no spoiler tags, won't post them in this one.

Am guessing none of the "not sure if dead" people I listed actually died (other than possibly Jon's dragon), which means we really didn't lose anyone of significance this week which is a bit of a cop out in a battle like this. Overall a good episode obviously, but had a few issues:
-shows/movies can make the screen dark but viewable, see the battle at end of two towers for reference
-wtf was Dany doing the entire episode
-why do they always have such awful strategy in these battles? why did the dothraki suicide into the black night? nobody thought about trying wildfire again? why not retreat south as far as possible to an easier to defend location like the twins or Moat Cailin?
-dont like how Arya was able to sneak up on the night king with hundreds of wights and a gaggle of whitewalkers surrounding him with no explanation after she leaves the locked room.
-WTF was bran doing the entire episode?


Good pacing, good suspense, everyone was involved in their own way, good use of the bodies in the crypt, right level of punishment to the living overall (minus the important characters), just wish they were slightly better about a few things.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 29 2019 05:12. Posts 4496

Not a single strategic thought was given to this battle haha.

well, if i was commanding the living side i woulda ordered the two dragons to strafe/kite the dead army with dragon fire, and dothraki cavalry archers, while they were marching down from the wall, to decrease their numbers so the army was smaller on arrival. This is how the parthians defeated crassus, because like the army of the dead, crassus had no mobility and simply got wiped out by an army with superior logistics. anyone who plays starcraft knows this common strategy. It was also how the sycthians beat persia (or at least prevented persia from beating them), they simply strafed the persian army when they invaded with horse archers for thousands of miles. The persians gave up after many losses and decided to invade greece instead. If i was commanding the side of the dead i woulda had the night king leading the battle from a bunker 1,000 miles north of the wall, and had a luetienant command the dragon. I also wouldn't have attacked winterfell and simply seiged it and go right past it and down south, collecting a bigger army by wiping out anything that isn't protected by a castle, only after that point would i start attacking castles, but they would prob starve to death by that point.

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 29 2019 05:12. Posts 11545


  On April 29 2019 03:36 Daut wrote:
Show nested quote +


Looks like no spoiler tags, won't post them in this one.

Am guessing none of the "not sure if dead" people I listed actually died (other than possibly Jon's dragon), which means we really didn't lose anyone of significance this week which is a bit of a cop out in a battle like this. Overall a good episode obviously, but had a few issues:
-shows/movies can make the screen dark but viewable, see the battle at end of two towers for reference
-wtf was Dany doing the entire episode
-why do they always have such awful strategy in these battles? why did the dothraki suicide into the black night? nobody thought about trying wildfire again? why not retreat south as far as possible to an easier to defend location like the twins or Moat Cailin?
-dont like how Arya was able to sneak up on the night king with hundreds of wights and a gaggle of whitewalkers surrounding him with no explanation after she leaves the locked room.
-WTF was bran doing the entire episode?


Good pacing, good suspense, everyone was involved in their own way, good use of the bodies in the crypt, right level of punishment to the living overall (minus the important characters), just wish they were slightly better about a few things.



I keep pausing each scene of the video clip.

People who you thought might be dead but are in the video clip:

• Jamie = ?
• Brienne = ?
• Greyworm = alive
• Tormund = alive
• Sam = alive
• Podrick = ?
• Missandei = alive
• Jon's dragon = alive

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Daut    United States. Apr 29 2019 05:38. Posts 8897


  On April 29 2019 04:12 Stroggoz wrote:
Not a single strategic thought was given to this battle haha.

well, if i was commanding the living side i woulda ordered the two dragons to strafe/kite the dead army with dragon fire, and dothraki cavalry archers, while they were marching down from the wall, to decrease their numbers so the army was smaller on arrival. This is how the parthians defeated crassus, because like the army of the dead, crassus had no mobility and simply got wiped out by an army with superior logistics. anyone who plays starcraft knows this common strategy. It was also how the sycthians beat persia (or at least prevented persia from beating them), they simply strafed the persian army when they invaded with horse archers for thousands of miles. The persians gave up after many losses and decided to invade greece instead. If i was commanding the side of the dead i woulda had the night king leading the battle from a bunker 1,000 miles north of the wall, and had a luetienant command the dragon. I also wouldn't have attacked winterfell and simply seiged it and go right past it and down south, collecting a bigger army by wiping out anything that isn't protected by a castle, only after that point would i start attacking castles, but they would prob starve to death by that point.



Yes, they definitely could have had a better approach with the dragons at the start, but i understand wanting to be conservative, especially with respect to scouting with them early due to the whitewalkers ability to throw the ice javelins and kill them. Losing a dragon early, having him revived by NK, and falling behind 1 dragon to 2 is a near instant loss. But I agree overall, use the dragons to kite the enemy and thin the number of wights that can attack the vanguard.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 29 2019 08:33. Posts 7174

Well i loved the first 5 minutes .
So fucking epic

Then i have mixed feelings about the next like 70 minutes.....
Some great moments and lots of bullshit last second saves T_T i felt like in a marvel movie.... constant fighting and all the good people get last second saves all the time .....
The end however made up for everything.
I never expected that.


+ Show Spoiler +

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 29 2019 09:34. Posts 4496

Here's some major spoiler for what's to come

+ Show Spoiler +

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 29 2019 09:44. Posts 7174

I am really happy with this episode since the ending was so unexpected for me.

But still some points
Overall i think i wished more people died in a more realistic way
Game of thrones in the first Seasons has always been semi realistic in the way people die.
This last minute superhero saves Hollywood style started with Season 6

It was so much better when people actually died while in a shitty situation.


Its hilarious that Brienne is still alive being saved right before death again and again and again this episode
That just doesnt feel Game of Thrones like.

Many of the lesser important "main" characters were directly involved in fighting on the Battlefront and only Lady Mormont died during battle ????

Theon died vs Night King which i kinda expected before the episode.
Jorah died protecting Danny when he should be long dead before that since just like Brienne he almost died like 100times but got last second saved all the time T_T
Beric Dondarrion died way too late , too..... should have been dead 3 times allready when he finally died. (Would have loved him to pull a Hodor and get rekt while blocking the way.. but for some reason he keps walking and walking and doesnt die... till he finally gets pulled in the safehouse where he dies >-<

well overall i can say i am glad GOT ends soon
and i am glad the way it tourned out

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2019 12:05. Posts 8874

What the fuck was that shit at the end?!?!?!??!

This was possible the worst fucking deus ex ever to be done on television. Holy fucking shit how can the writers be so fucking terrible. 70 Minutes of awesomeness to be ruined by their fucking stupidity (except the part where the dorthraki literally suicided themselves for no fucking reason whatsoever?!?!?!??!). I'm done expecting anything but trash plot from GoT tbh, if I knew there were more seasons to come I would've probably dropped the series right here. This was so fucking stupid it hurts me.


  On April 29 2019 08:34 Stroggoz wrote:
Here's some major spoiler for what's to come

+ Show Spoiler +




How are you sure?

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 29 2019 13:19. Posts 7174

70 minutes of awesomeness ?

I was wondering why are they even fighting when nobody dies and everybody gets saved at the last second 100 times ?
The ending could have been better


I think it was a even more cool option if Bran who said he will go away now took control of Arya and killed the Night King.
But besindes that i love the ending.

I really loved the first parts of the episode i found the 70minutes middle part very medicore and i loved the ending

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Raidern   Brasil. Apr 29 2019 15:23. Posts 4227


  On April 29 2019 08:34 Stroggoz wrote:
Here's some major spoiler for what's to come

+ Show Spoiler +




lol hope you just made that shit up and no new eps has leaked somehow

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NMcNasty    United States. Apr 29 2019 16:03. Posts 2013

I thought it was a worthy battle episode. I didn't really have a problem with the fog of war confusion, thought the sound and music were great, and it was suspenseful the whole way through. Given how ruthless the show can be I honestly felt there was a non-zero chance that they actually were going to go just full-Armageddon at the end and have everyone die.

The major issue for me though is that are/were just too many story arcs and no satisfying way to resolve them all in such a short time, which is a problem going back to last season. The show, being the best ever, set the bar very high for itself. I think we have a good episode in terms of vacuum entertainment value, but its a bit disappointing for the story as a whole. There needed to be more backstory to the night king. Just an evil guy who can raise the dead, fly dragons, is impervious to fire, and wants to conquer all of humanity but apparently it just takes a stabs to the leg to instantly destroy him and his entire army. The Lord of Light is a god (maybe?) who has a massive religious following across both continents, where non-believers are burnt alive, but ultimately he turns out to be good (I guess?), but really only contributes by making fire-swords that turn out to be useless. Or is he completely shaping Arya's destiny? Whatever?

There's a bit of hope for me in that there are 3 long episodes left. GoT seems to be more defined by its plot twists than its battle scenes. In season 6 you had the Battle of the Bastards episode before with the Winds of Winter episode, as in even though it seems the battle is the end, the GOAT-level stuff is saved for last. Still, it always seemed like the central theme of the show is that all the political intrigue is completely meaningless compared to the fight against straight evil. Remember season one opened with a white walkers scene. Even with dramatic/surprising endings with Cersei, or Jon/Daenyres, I think the priorities for this season are backwards.


whammbot   Belarus. Apr 29 2019 16:13. Posts 387

still way better than Endgame

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Apr 29 2019 17:40. Posts 4952

"Theon, thank you" (for holding them back just until Aria got there)

:D 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2019 17:41. Posts 8874


  On April 29 2019 15:13 whammbot wrote:
still way better than Endgame


sad part is you re right


can someone expain to me what the fuck was Brann doing? Warging into ravens was so important?

Also apparently a youtuber made those predictions Stroggoz said, and he was right about previous predictions, so he most likely has a leak in the HBO studio ... kinda feelsbad would be a nice plot twist

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Loco   Canada. Apr 29 2019 17:48. Posts 20012


  On April 29 2019 11:05 Spitfiree wrote:
What the fuck was that shit at the end?!?!?!??!

This was possible the worst fucking deus ex ever to be done on television. Holy fucking shit how can the writers be so fucking terrible. 70 Minutes of awesomeness to be ruined by their fucking stupidity (except the part where the dorthraki literally suicided themselves for no fucking reason whatsoever?!?!?!??!). I'm done expecting anything but trash plot from GoT tbh, if I knew there were more seasons to come I would've probably dropped the series right here. This was so fucking stupid it hurts me.

Show nested quote +



How are you sure?


I totally disagree with you. I thought that the dumbest thing about this episode was Daeny fucking up. The dothraki are brutish fighters who don't do anything but go head on into skirmishes, they're not strategic fighters who are expected to coordinate with groups other than their own and change their fighting style, unless they would receive the order from Daeny, so the stupidity falls back onto her (and Tyrion) if anything. But even if Daeny gave the order to fight strategically, imo it's believable that once they get infused with magical fire they'd confidently attack like this.

Then there is the dragon scene. After she's done helping Jon and clearing the way for him, she just sits there on her dragon with a dumb look on her face while a bunch of undead storm her dragon and start plunging their weapons into him. It's a totally unnecessary scene that is only there to make us worry about the survival of her dragon. The dragon has no purpose being on the ground anymore but we're given like 10-20 seconds of it freaking out and getting harmed before it finally decides to fly away.

The Arya scene had been planned for 3 years so its not a deus ex. The Red Lady prophecized that she would kill the NK many seasons ago. We even had Jon say previously in the season, at the exact same spot, "how did you sneak up on me?" to Arya. Only someone with her assassin skills could kill the NK if Jon couldn't make it in time to Bran, which there's every reason to think would probably happen. The one thing I didn't like about it is that she killed him with a "normal" dagger (even though that dagger has a history and was meant to kill Bran). I would have liked it if she had had a "double-dagger" made, one that splits into two like her other weapon, specifically for this.

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FrinkX   United States. Apr 29 2019 19:11. Posts 7493


  The one thing I didn't like about it is that she killed him with a "normal" dagger (even though that dagger has a history and was meant to kill Bran). I would have liked it if she had had a "double-dagger" made, one that splits into two like her other weapon, specifically for this.



bran's dagger seems quite fitting to me

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 29 2019 20:26. Posts 7174

I think there is a general missconception about what bran has become.

I had this till last Episode , too

False Assumptions

Bran is a Starkboy who managed to gain godlike power by assembling the forces of the 3 eyed raven into him.
His goal is to achieve victory over the bad guys by helping the good guys.


Correct Assumptions

Bran is not a Starkboy anymore...
His body and mind are a vessel for the 3 eyed raven God of Knowledge who has only 2 reasons to exist
1.) Save everything that happens on his HDD
2.) Survive

Bran does not care about the good or bad guys and he doesnt do anything to help either side except for his own survival.

Bran is not human anymore and he is forbidden to interact in anything but his own survival
His purpouse is to be the God of knowledge not the God that helps the good guys win

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2019 21:05. Posts 956

about the leaks mentioned above:
there is this guy frikidoctor who leaked whole episode 1 of s8 and whole season 7 + some episodes of 6th season... so his predictions are here:
+ Show Spoiler +



Given the success rate of his leaks so far we can assume that those scenes will happen, the fun part is he thinks Jon and Danny both live

The episode was good in terms of battle scenes and dramatic sequences etc... the problems for me were the complete lack of strategy by both sides... wtf was that dothraki attack? We didnt see a single white walker till the very end and we know they are far more capable than the rest of the dead, dragon and wolf time were very little imo ez they could double it and include more Ghost+Nymeria battle scenes, i loved that this time jon could not save the day however it was way to obvious that Arya went for the NK after that Melissandra "blue eyes" line and we kind of knew that will come.

Also nobody really important died(for all of you look careful the end scenes - we see all of them alive - Tormund, Grey Worm, Jaime, Brienne, Podric, etc), yes Theon and Jorra both are cool guys but still they are not first tier characters. It would have been more legit if somebody important died.

In the end very good battle episode if we ignore the obvious strategic flaws on both sides. Also i loved how even in a battle episode they still put that Danny is evil small talk at some point(Tyrion and Sansa).

P.s Also how come a Valirian steel dagger(that was in the books Sam was reading in the citadel) is not a special weapon? Also it fits very good in the Arya's arc to be the NKs killer.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2019 21:24. Posts 8874

I would buy the "assassin" Arya part if they didn't have the scene where she was in a room with 5 undead and they noticed her. Then it would make perfect sense. Considering the NK has ultra-human ability to sense people , he had his co-commanders and was surrounded by hundreds of undead, the scene made no sense whatsoever... I do agree on the Daenerys's dragon scene, i was just thinking why the fuck doesnt he just start fucking flying, why are they both on the ground, it makes no sense.


Anyway, so Arya is Azor Ahai then? Does it even matter anymore? The whole plot connected to the white walkers just feels botched now and anyone connected to it doesn't matter anymore, except like Jon. They could've easily killed off Sam, Gilly, her kid, Bran, anyone from the free folk, anyone from the Brotherhood and it woulda been fine...

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2019 21:34. Posts 956


  On April 29 2019 20:24 Spitfiree wrote:
I would buy the "assassin" Arya part if they didn't have the scene where she was in a room with 5 undead and they noticed her. Then it would make perfect sense. Considering the NK has ultra-human ability to sense people , he had his co-commanders and was surrounded by hundreds of undead, the scene made no sense whatsoever... I do agree on the Daenerys's dragon scene, i was just thinking why the fuck doesnt he just start fucking flying, why are they both on the ground, it makes no sense.


Anyway, so Arya is Azor Ahai then?



Azor Ahai and TPTWP are generally 2 different stories that both got combined by Melissandra in the books(but sitll they are somewhat different). In the show however there is only TPTWP and it is said to be Jon Snow or Danny by Melissandra(and Stannis before that). I dont know if the producers/screenwriters follow the legends and the myths like they are followed in the books. Azor Ahai also has a sword called "Lightbringer" that should be forged in a special way bla bla bla.. you know the story. That dosnt seem like its Arya at all. So either the producers completely abandoned that story line or we are yet to see something more about it.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2019 21:40. Posts 956


  On April 29 2019 20:24 Spitfiree wrote:

Anyway, so Arya is Azor Ahai then? Does it even matter anymore? The whole plot connected to the white walkers just feels botched now and anyone connected to it doesn't matter anymore, except like Jon. They could've easily killed off Sam, Gilly, her kid, Bran, anyone from the free folk, anyone from the Brotherhood and it woulda been fine...



Well Sam is like the story writer of this universe now - he will write the story after the wars are finished... u cant kill him(and Gilly and the kid). Bran... i dont know im confused about him cant comment. Berric is dead(or u dont consider him Brotherhood?). Tormund is a character that is so likable, funny and unorthodox that i think it has a thick plot armor.

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impact69   Mexico. Apr 29 2019 22:49. Posts 307


  On April 29 2019 20:05 Zografa wrote:
about the leaks mentioned above:
there is this guy frikidoctor who leaked whole episode 1 of s8 and whole season 7 + some episodes of 6th season... so his predictions are here:
+ Show Spoiler +



Given the success rate of his leaks so far we can assume that those scenes will happen, the fun part is he thinks Jon and Danny both live

The episode was good in terms of battle scenes and dramatic sequences etc... the problems for me were the complete lack of strategy by both sides... wtf was that dothraki attack? We didnt see a single white walker till the very end and we know they are far more capable than the rest of the dead, dragon and wolf time were very little imo ez they could double it and include more Ghost+Nymeria battle scenes, i loved that this time jon could not save the day however it was way to obvious that Arya went for the NK after that Melissandra "blue eyes" line and we kind of knew that will come.

Also nobody really important died(for all of you look careful the end scenes - we see all of them alive - Tormund, Grey Worm, Jaime, Brienne, Podric, etc), yes Theon and Jorra both are cool guys but still they are not first tier characters. It would have been more legit if somebody important died.

In the end very good battle episode if we ignore the obvious strategic flaws on both sides. Also i loved how even in a battle episode they still put that Danny is evil small talk at some point(Tyrion and Sansa).

P.s Also how come a Valirian steel dagger(that was in the books Sam was reading in the citadel) is not a special weapon? Also it fits very good in the Arya's arc to be the NKs killer.





you forgot to put that Dani and Jon thing in to the spoiler, not everyone is gonna read it


Loco   Canada. Apr 29 2019 22:54. Posts 20012


  On April 29 2019 18:11 FrinkX wrote:
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bran's dagger seems quite fitting to me


It's fitting for sure, I just think this version makes the NK something less of a supervillain, and it makes Arya something less of an assassin (at least, if you think she didn't plan to be stopped). The NK clearly sees the dagger falling and he just doesn't react, which makes him seem less competent than we would predict, and it makes it feel like Arya might have just been lucky. If he was tricked by a special dagger, it would do better justice to both characters.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 30 2019 00:53. Posts 4496

The dothraki charge makes no sense, all cavalry armies were cavalry armies for a reason, because of the land they lived on and the superior logistics. Mongol's were dominant because they were surrounded by large spaces of land where cavalry can kite with archer fire. They had vast area's of land to kite armies over, basically cannot be beaten in an open field. (which the north also has plenty of). It does not make sense that dothraki would lack strategy, they are experts at war and a culture that bases themselves entirely around the logistical superiority of horses is not going to do stupid charges in battle. Like i said the show lacks attention to detail. Also if you have seige weapons+defensive structures, and the other's dont, you just fire at them until they come to you.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 30 2019 01:31. Posts 4496

idk it seem pretty clear the night king is a mediocre general. This is his first military campaign (in perhaps a very long time), he shoulda protected himself a lot more and just left castles alone and just added the peasants to his army. It's like what artosis says, when ur ahead..get more ahead. Take the rest of the map instead of attacking.

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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 30 2019 09:02. Posts 7174

Concerning the Spoilers


God it feels so 2004 writing that spoiler command code lol.-... //+ Show Spoiler +

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 30 2019 11:05. Posts 956


  On April 30 2019 08:02 PplusAD wrote:
Concerning the Spoilers


God it feels so 2004 writing that spoiler command code lol.-... //+ Show Spoiler +



[spoiler]Well kind of unknown how and who will he betray but he said there will be a trial and he will be the one to be judged. We saw those small moments that are building up ever since s7 - he has problems while doing his job as hand of the queen - we even had this small moment where Sansa told him that the Dragon Queen is a problem for their relationship - so this can be the "one for love" betrayal from the books

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Zografa   Bulgaria. Apr 30 2019 13:14. Posts 956

Btw that guy Ramin Djawadi ... omg the sound/music during this episode - he needs to win an Emmy or whatever the most prestigious award for his position is - this episode would have been like 50% lower quality if it wasnt the music.

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FrinkX   United States. Apr 30 2019 16:30. Posts 7493


  On April 29 2019 21:54 Loco wrote:
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It's fitting for sure, I just think this version makes the NK something less of a supervillain, and it makes Arya something less of an assassin (at least, if you think she didn't plan to be stopped). The NK clearly sees the dagger falling and he just doesn't react, which makes him seem less competent than we would predict, and it makes it feel like Arya might have just been lucky. If he was tricked by a special dagger, it would do better justice to both characters.



oh yea good point.

shoulda been more like @2:08

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Daut    United States. Apr 30 2019 16:49. Posts 8897

Some great things about this episode:
-the music
-some of the visual effects (Dothraki arakhs lighting up)
-the idea of concentric circles breaking down as the wights/walkers advance towards Bran
-overall pacing to keep an 80 minute battle interesting and tense
-how many pieces of the story came full circle -- Melisandre previous conversation with Arya, Beric coming back to life repeatedly to keep Arya alive
-Arya's stealth scene in the library
-the Dothraki getting destroyed (awful strategy, but awesome to see the lights go out)


Some obvious ways to improve this episode:
-better lighting around the castle. The snowy fog makes sense to disorient Dany/Jon on their dragons, but we needed to see more the closer it was to the castle
-kill a major character. I get it, this builds a bit more suspense for the final episodes since everyone who has some chance to claim the iron throne at the end is still around, but just probabilistically, if a high % of overall people die in this battle, a % of the most important people should die as well.
-more ruthlessness from the NK: raise the dead more than once (I get why they didn't, because then it would be chaos in the crypts from the getgo, but he really should have raised the Dothraki immediately, and it seems he's not the only one who can raise the dead either because of that scene where Jon kills a whitewalker and the other wights all immediately died implying those wights were raised by that walker), multiple ice javelins thrown instead of using one of his super weapons that already gave him a dragon only once, more protection around him rather than have him in one area unguarded other than his ice dragon.


Some criticisms I'll walk back:
-Bran doing more: how much can he really do here? He has knowledge and can warg, but what can he reasonably warg into to improve chances of winning?
-Arya sneaking up on NK without showing her from the tower to the Weirwood: she's stealthy AF
-anti-climactic close to battle vs NK: we could have used some more character development of him (particularly from the children of the forest or from Bran), but it's hard to retreat thousands of people in winter, and killing him ends the war so it's tough to change this without drastically changing the ending
-lack of strategy: they had little time to prepare for this defense, and theyve had awful strategy all along, don't think we can expect them to turn into Hannibal overnight.


It was a more tense/suspenseful episode than Blackwater and Battle of the Bastards, but it just feels like it was worse done. Blackwater had no strategic gaffs, Battle of the Bastards was one of the most beautifully shot episodes of any show in history to make up for the strategic gaffs. This was good, and they did a great job at many subtle things, but I just feel like they left a bit too much on the table. It reminded me of watching NBA coaches make serious blunders on obvious things like Doc Rivers failing to play Lou WIlliams 40 minutes in the playoffs, but doing a great job at Xs and Os type stuff. I guess it's just hard to do things perfectly, everything has trade offs, and everyone has blind spots.

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. Apr 30 2019 16:55. Posts 2863

dothraki charge was obviously idiotic but it makes sense to me. They're highly trained - yes - they've been constantly boasting about their fighting superiority and how inferior people from westeros are. They're used to just plowing through ground armies like nothing - these didn't even have spears. They've just had all their weapons infused with magical fire. Them just going 'let's show these frightened fuckers what the dothraki horde can do' and charging in strikes me as plausible stupidity. That scene was basically this season's example of death by hubris - of which there are plenty in GoT.

I agree that more characters should have died. The darkness/blizzard making it impossible to see was annoying- the blizzard makes sense cause they had to nerf the dragons - but it made the outside battle pretty boring. Aside from that, it's a good battle episode, but there is some annoyingly stupid stuff in there. (jon being surrounded by 100 wights that for some reason don't attack, unlike all the other wights. Or like, I like girl power and have generally loved the lady mormont character - I think it's within the realm of plausability that a 12 year old girl can be this badass in attitude - it's not within the realm of possibility that she's physically strong enough to withstand being crushed by a giant. This exact death would have been perfect for Thormund also.

Then there's the whole.. this is the end of the night king part, which I don't like, but can understand. While the books are called a song of ice and fire, the show is called game of thrones. The story arc, using the books as a starting point but deviating an extreme amount later on, seems to have had the battle against the undead as a bigger overarching theme, while the show has had greater focus on ruling king's landing. So it does feel inconsistent in a way; like I think this battle should have been the second to last episode with the last episode being an epilogue of sorts, with them having resolved the question of the throne beforehand. However then the 'game of thrones' would instead be over - now there's still genuine some suspense regarding whether it's gonna be cersei or jon or dany sitting there in the end.

And one final comment on the idea that 'this is GoT, we fell in love with the brutality, realism, unpredictability, they ruin that by giving a 'happy' ending', I don't really agree with that. I think it's more a testament to the success of the early 'sacrifices' that they genuinely make us uncertain whether the happy ending is coming or not, and that creates great tension and suspense. While I agree that the outcome was unrealistically good (in terms of amount of surviving heroes), during the episode the only people I was certain would make it were jon and daenerys - so it was still massively suspenseful.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 01 2019 01:25. Posts 8874

Ramin Djawadi is insane

He made the soundtrack for Westworld as well and you might not like the show but the music there is also incredible. I'm pretty sure he won an Emmy for the Light of the seven though no?

edit:
He won an Emmy for this episode - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragon_and_the_Wolf whatever that means


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Baalim   Mexico. May 01 2019 01:39. Posts 33087

The episode was trash in terms of writing but good in directing.

One of the main things that set GoT apart from other fantasy (and most shows/movies) is that death is realistic, its brutal, unexpect and unjust as it is in reality, charactesr didn't get to finish their arc to die, they didn't get poetic justice, they didn't die as they would have liked to die, and that has been lost and this episode is the biggest display of that.

Theon gets his redemption and dies protecting Starks, Jorah in the most awful Deux Ex Machina moment gets to fight and die defending Daenerys, Lianna Mormont dies simbollically taking a giant, (I really would have liked if that hit from the giant had done the job).


It was more a LotR episode than a GoT one and thats a fucking shame, it was full of awful hollywood cliches, the scene where the NK didnt die from fire was dragged soooooooo painfully long when it was obviouis he wasnt dead (camera zooms into the fire... then into Jon, Daenerys face... back to Jon, back to Daeneris squinting, back to fire) oh for fucks sake!.

The Arya scene where she hids from 4 wights after she killed 20 in 30 secons is also awful and cliché, the blood dripping below the table is "horror movie cliche 101", If you are going to do that shit why not use the NK"s generals (who were a wasted concept), that would have made the scene much better.

The whole crypt thing was a waste of time, so nobody died, they just wasted time showing Sansa and Tyrion looking into each other's eyes.

Possibly the worst part is that at one time it seems like theres only 10 people of so alive all being pushed into the castle wall... all of them main characters.

George RR Marting is probably gouging his eyes out after this crap.


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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 01 2019 01:51. Posts 8874


  On May 01 2019 00:39 Baalim wrote:
.....




Finally, someone shares my view, was starting to think I'm a cynical hater


I hope GRRM is indeed gauging his eyes. It has been 8 years since the last book. Eight fucking years.

In comparison Brandon Sanderson has published 12 books in that time, some of which are utter trash indeed, but most of them are insanely good and he actually started a new fantasy series called "The Stormlight Archives" which is at least as well written as ASOIF and he is most likely going to finish those series before GRRM finishes ASOIF even though he has only published 3 out of the expected 10 books.


GRRM should invite Patrick Rothfuss and they should go take a course on less-stupid-shit, more-writy-stuff

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 01 2019 04:09. Posts 4496

GRRM said the show killed off a lot more people than he was in the books.

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. May 01 2019 08:07. Posts 2863

the stormlight archives is amazing. I've never been a big book reader but I plowed through 3700 pages of that in half a year - with game of thrones I stopped somewhere during book 2 cuz it was too slow. I also think it will be incredibly hard to turn the stormlight archives into a series/movies that does any justice to the world he has created, but I have heard they are trying.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 01 2019 11:10. Posts 956

There is this fan theory that could save one of the blunders but its to good to be true imo:

This scene was actually Jon creating a distraction for Arya, the ice dragon is protecting the entrance to the Godswood.
I wonder if he really can scream "go go go" but because of the music u cant hear it.
Something that supports this claim could be that they cut their documentary about the episode right at this spot:


at 31:18
Ofc this is to good to be true.

In the end i think this episode was very good in terms of cinematography, music, effects, mood, directing... everything but the logic of the plot made perfect sense and it was of great quality. They really had the chance to make a brilliant episode/s out of it but the logic of the screenwriting kind of sucked.

I just can hope that they will improve the situation with the 3 episodes left... but now i dont know what will happen if Jon kills Daenerys(as they are trying to implement some of that Azor Ahai/TPTWP stuff) - so far Danny actually suffered the greatest losses trying to save everyone - she lost a dragon, almost died few times, lost her only true friend, lost 80% of her army to actually help the realm, and is about to lose the purpose of her whole existence(the claim to the iron throne) to the man she loves and who will have difficulties to love her back now. To me at this point Jon killing Danny will ruin both characters for no reason making the ending really stupid. And if they decide to ruin Danny in just 3 episodes it will also feel very rushed and retarded.


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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 01 2019 23:03. Posts 8874

I wonder how are they going to defeat Cersei's army, cause by the way I see it they have two ways of going now:

A) Cersei actually has a solution to the dragons, meaning Dany, Jon & Co. need another Deus Ex moment e.g. Jaimie killing Cersei, while someone else kills Euron, which would let Jaimie take control of King's Landing army and the Golden Company will back off since there will be no one paying them and they are known to leave a war campaign mid chaos cause they wouldn't get paid - they're very ruthless in that way

B) Cersei has no solution to the dragons, which means Dany would simply run them over without a sweat


Both of them sound quite boring, but maybe a straight forward logic is the way to go rather than have stupid shit like the last episode.

Next episode is probably going to be a chill one and then we get action-packed last 2 episodes as usual


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  On May 01 2019 07:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the stormlight archives is amazing. I've never been a big book reader but I plowed through 3700 pages of that in half a year - with game of thrones I stopped somewhere during book 2 cuz it was too slow. I also think it will be incredibly hard to turn the stormlight archives into a series/movies that does any justice to the world he has created, but I have heard they are trying.


Same, except I read on almost a daily basis, but i rarely stay until 5am reading a book cause I just wanna know whats going on, with fantasies it's only happened with The Stormlight Archives and The Kingkiller Chronicle (don't start this one, its supposed to be a trilogy and the 2nd book was written 8 years ago and I have no clue how he'll end his story in a single book, nor if he will ever write it). I only kinda dislike the fact that you kind of know which characters are safe from death in Sanderson's series, he has a certain style

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impact69   Mexico. May 01 2019 23:40. Posts 307

if Cersei dies has to be to Arya's hands no? because of the prophecy (green eyes)


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 01 2019 23:59. Posts 4496

why assume phophecies and azhor ahai to even be a real thing, azhor ahai is probably made up history and that witch was completely full of shit, most likely. In the books cersei is not a powerful person, she doesn't need to be defeated because she defeats herself with her mental issues, (envy, narcaccism, promiscuity, love). I really dislike the way they took her in the show, from season 6 onwards.

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Daut    United States. May 02 2019 05:16. Posts 8897


  On May 01 2019 22:03 Spitfiree wrote:
I wonder how are they going to defeat Cersei's army, cause by the way I see it they have two ways of going now:

A) Cersei actually has a solution to the dragons, meaning Dany, Jon & Co. need another Deus Ex moment e.g. Jaimie killing Cersei, while someone else kills Euron, which would let Jaimie take control of King's Landing army and the Golden Company will back off since there will be no one paying them and they are known to leave a war campaign mid chaos cause they wouldn't get paid - they're very ruthless in that way

B) Cersei has no solution to the dragons, which means Dany would simply run them over without a sweat


Both of them sound quite boring, but maybe a straight forward logic is the way to go rather than have stupid shit like the last episode.

Next episode is probably going to be a chill one and then we get action-packed last 2 episodes as usual


Offtopic:
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Same, except I read on almost a daily basis, but i rarely stay until 5am reading a book cause I just wanna know whats going on, with fantasies it's only happened with The Stormlight Archives and The Kingkiller Chronicle (don't start this one, its supposed to be a trilogy and the 2nd book was written 8 years ago and I have no clue how he'll end his story in a single book, nor if he will ever write it). I only kinda dislike the fact that you kind of know which characters are safe from death in Sanderson's series, he has a certain style


I just finished Name of the Wind, loved it, immediately bought The Wise Man's Fear and tried to buy the third book but realized I had another ASOIAF on my hands ugh

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. May 02 2019 16:18. Posts 2863

lol yeah I had that same thing happen with the name of the wind and the wise man's fear. I liked both those a lot. (Stormwind archives more, though, but the kingkiller chronicles was what made me interested in fantasy again. )

Only I went one step further and attempting to buy the third book, I instead bought some real silly book called the slow regard of silent things, which isn't part of the trilogy, but about a seemingly not too significant side character. So much like GRRM, Rothfuss is also doing the whole, 'not finish up the series but rather writing other projects that add to the world creation without having to come up with an ending'

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 02 2019 19:13. Posts 8874

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comme...reat_war_isnt_over_spoilers_extended/

when a fan theory is lightyears ahead of the screenwriters of the show :/


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 02 2019 22:07. Posts 956


  On May 02 2019 18:13 Spitfiree wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comme...reat_war_isnt_over_spoilers_extended/

when a fan theory is lightyears ahead of the screenwriters of the show :/


interesting theory, i was just wondering why it was so important for Bran to push Sam telling the truth to Jon, just before the battle and for what reason? So far it was pointless if they dont reveal something in the episodes left.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 02 2019 23:35. Posts 8874

best review of Ep 3



:D

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Daut    United States. May 03 2019 02:30. Posts 8897


  On May 02 2019 15:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
lol yeah I had that same thing happen with the name of the wind and the wise man's fear. I liked both those a lot. (Stormwind archives more, though, but the kingkiller chronicles was what made me interested in fantasy again. )

Only I went one step further and attempting to buy the third book, I instead bought some real silly book called the slow regard of silent things, which isn't part of the trilogy, but about a seemingly not too significant side character. So much like GRRM, Rothfuss is also doing the whole, 'not finish up the series but rather writing other projects that add to the world creation without having to come up with an ending'



I was so excited for it too because I had just read the first of the Book of the New Sun series (Shadow of the Torturer) and HATED it. Plot goes nowhere, universe isn't compelling, characters are boring. Then I find a book I absolutely love and it's TBA because the author wants to put a prequel to the story on tv, sigh.

Oh well, thanks for the indirect recommendation on Stormwind, I'll check those out after I finish Wise Man's Fear.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 03 2019 05:31. Posts 33087


  On May 01 2019 03:09 Stroggoz wrote:
GRRM said the show killed off a lot more people than he was in the books.



its not about how many, but how important the character seems to be

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 03 2019 08:42. Posts 956


  On May 02 2019 22:35 Spitfiree wrote:
best review of Ep 3



:D



good video on the logical errors around the episode, while i agree on most of them the guy is utterly pissed obviously - the episode had its strenghts

p.s I have my hopes again, after reading that Maisie Williams quote at the end, i think there is about 10-15% chance for something good to unfold out of the last 3 episodes. That episode 3 might be just a trick for what is it to come... i want my 3 outer to come plz.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 03 2019 12:29. Posts 4496

That guy actually is speaking/sounds like the GoT writers murdered his first born, the degree to how much emotional investment ppl put in tv series is funny.

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lebowski   Greece. May 03 2019 13:32. Posts 9121

I find it weird that such a successful tv show doesn't just throw endless piles of money to a group of excellent writers after G.R.Martin's books ended. Half the stuff the raging guy mentions in that video could have been easily avoided.
Arya killing the NK like that feels a bit weird and anticlimactic (too soon I guess), maybe that will change after we've seen all the episodes. I wonder what Jon Snow's actual story arc is

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Daut    United States. May 03 2019 14:13. Posts 8897


  On May 02 2019 18:13 Spitfiree wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comme...reat_war_isnt_over_spoilers_extended/

when a fan theory is lightyears ahead of the screenwriters of the show :/



I don't like to think of these as theories, because they are 0% to be true. I just like to think of them as alternate realties where Benioff/Weiss don't ruin the story over the final 13 episodes.

It's really good, and most of the stuff I've seen on reddit (I don't lurk there, just see linked threads from time to time) is excellent and makes me wonder why they didn't consult with more superfans or hire them as writers alongside GRRM to wrap up the story in the best way possible.

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PplusAD   Germany. May 03 2019 19:20. Posts 7174

Well some of the fan theories from season 5 on have been insanely good !
However non of them did come true...
So i a agree with Daut that the chance of this theorys being true are roughly ~ 0%

on the 30minute or so hate video .....

I heavily agree with some parts and strongly disagree with others.....
I think he has almost as many mistakes in his thinking as that episode had in its logic.

Just a small example are the Trebuchets .
He complains why they only fire fucking 2 times and do nothing for the rest of the first 20 minutes ?

This isnt Age of Empires 2 where a Trebuchet has 0.5 attacks per second......
In fact in real life a Trebuchet needs ~ 20 minutes reloading inbetween 2 shots.... thats why they are very good for attacking and terrible for defence IRL
So them firing only 2 shoots in the first 20 minutes is exactly how often they would shoot in reality.

I also disagree with his views about bran as i have allready pointed out in some posts before why i think its 100% legit bran acts the way he does
most people have a missconception about what bran has become...
He is the god of knowledge not the God of winning wars for the good people....

I also strongly disagree that GoT was about White Walkers and the fantasy war against evil more than about politics and "realistic medieval human wars"
He says the white walkers have been built up since Episode1 Season 1....
I disagree.... In my opinion the white walkers always had very little screen time and got almost no depth at all during the previous 7 seasons....
They were always some distant magical beings that nobody really knows what they want and what they are....
And this didnt change much at all during 7 seasons....
White Walkers were a concept that they never really explained well .
When they realized they had no good ideas about them that they could finish within 2 Seasons they decided to make it simple and just declare them es evil death who want to destroy all living....
The core of GOT was always about the human wars and politics never about good vs evil fantasy story...


But what i really agree and what i really hate soo much that i want to puke is the massive plot armours every main character got....
Its so pathetic and annoying .

Jamie, Brienne , Podric , Greyworm ,Tormund , The Hound and Sam all should have died a 1000 times and all got last second miracle saves over and over and over again.
Thats not GOT !
Thats a Marvel superhero movie !

Jorah and Beric Dondarrion did both die but only after being stabbed to death for a total of percieved 400hours.....

I rewatched the Episode additional 2 times so far and i have to forward the fighting scenes since i simply cant stand it anymore.

All these 1 vs 20 that the main protagonists win in the very last second by miracle save all the time.....
puke...


Besides that :

I love the first 20 minutes and the last 10 minutes simply for the Atmosphere , pictures and music

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 04 2019 11:50. Posts 956

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/com...ew_who_made_this_this_is_comedy_gold/

this is hilarious

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Jelle   Belgium. May 04 2019 16:59. Posts 3336

I loved the show in the early seasons but I stopped watching after "Jaime & Bronn visit Dorne" in season 5 (?). That was so bad to me that I just snapped out of it and completely lost interest. I read about "kidnap a zombie" later and felt vindicated. It's strange to me that many viewers are suddenly pissed now, this latest episode seems par for the course to me; high budget visuals and 0 attention to the story. It's more like a random superhero movie than like GOT season 1.

About grrm I really don't believe he's as lazy as people think he is; he just constantly rewrites, rearranges and restarts because he's going for perfection

And obviously he's old + you can't just spend 100% of your time doing 1 thing, you need hobbies, friends, family, and vacations to be productive at work.

When the next book finally comes out it's going to be fucking mind-bogglingly high quality just like every book before it. The tv show never made anyone wait, it always delivered its F grade air storylines right on schedule.

If grrm lives longer than people expect, maybe he can somehow get a dream of spring done too and then we'll be even closer to the conclusion (I don't see how he can conclude in 2 more books).

If he passes on before his work is done there will be a ton of highly talented writers eager to take over with access to all of the deleted material & planning etc, with their motivation at peak. Would that really be so bad? I'm more optimistic about the books than ever because the tv show isn't spoiling anything. I wouldn't mind enjoying book 8 on my porch when I'm 70.


NMcNasty    United States. May 04 2019 17:03. Posts 2013


  On May 03 2019 18:20 PplusAD wrote:
I also strongly disagree that GoT was about White Walkers and the fantasy war against evil more than about politics and "realistic medieval human wars"
He says the white walkers have been built up since Episode1 Season 1....
I disagree.... In my opinion the white walkers always had very little screen time and got almost no depth at all during the previous 7 seasons....
They were always some distant magical beings that nobody really knows what they want and what they are....
And this didnt change much at all during 7 seasons....
White Walkers were a concept that they never really explained well .
When they realized they had no good ideas about them that they could finish within 2 Seasons they decided to make it simple and just declare them es evil death who want to destroy all living....
The core of GOT was always about the human wars and politics never about good vs evil fantasy story...



See I feel like the white walkers were meant to represent actual historical existential threats like fascism and white supremacy. In episode 1 of this season this is most clear when we see how closely the burning spiral on the wall with the dead kid nailed to it closely represents a swastika. The reason why we aren't getting more screen time with this is because that its trying to be conveyed that the issue is being ignored because leaders are preoccupied with greed and their lust for power (its just a game), which is something that obviously happened in actual world history on multiple occasions with catastrophic consequences. So if anything I feel like I'm giving the show more credit in that they had an extremely meaningful theme that they just happened to bungle at the end, as opposed to just being standard sword and sorcery or horror-style zombies.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 04 2019 17:07. Posts 4496

this video is funny after watching ep 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=S8frk3Nxo78

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 05 2019 11:49. Posts 8874


  On May 04 2019 15:59 Jelle wrote:
It's strange to me that many viewers are suddenly pissed now,



I've been pretty pissed since Season 5, I just hoped they d fix this shit not completely destroy it.


Loco   Canada. May 05 2019 13:19. Posts 20012


  On May 04 2019 16:03 NMcNasty wrote:
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See I feel like the white walkers were meant to represent actual historical existential threats like fascism and white supremacy. In episode 1 of this season this is most clear when we see how closely the burning spiral on the wall with the dead kid nailed to it closely represents a swastika.


Fascism is already omnipresent in GoT without them. I always thought it was a metaphor for climate change because it is the one true existential threat that faces everyone equally (while fascism can rise and fall, if the environment collapses, it's game over for everyone). The white walkers have nothing human to them, unlike fascists; they're an amoral force of nature and they can control the environment, and their stated goal is to remove all memories of this world by killing the three-eyed raven. You could say that ties into fascist book-burning but that's not complete without removing all living memories too. Of course the far-right have their own interpretation and think the white walkers represent the collapse that comes with immigration....


Also :

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balakubak   . May 05 2019 15:47. Posts 102

Global Warming. Don't say it like a fascist.


lebowski   Greece. May 05 2019 22:23. Posts 9121


  On May 05 2019 12:19 Loco wrote:
I always thought it was a metaphor for climate change because it is the one true existential threat that faces everyone equally



this! haha I almost wrote that too
But then Arya single handedly eliminated the threat so... I'm not sure the metaphor works anymore

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

NMcNasty    United States. May 05 2019 22:36. Posts 2013


  On May 05 2019 12:19 Loco wrote:
Fascism is already omnipresent in GoT without them.



Agreed, but there are lower level forms of fascism basically all the houses and characters wrestle with (even Starks with bigotry, death penalty, blind faith in tradition), but there still exists a concentrated evil form that is analogous to historical events. Still I don't think the white walkers need to represent exactly fascism or nazism, it could just mean any threat to humanity in general (yes, possibly climate change). But it certainly must be more significant than your standard Joeffery level fascism. I just don't quite agree with this season's prioritizing because it seems to be saying that Cersei (who being pregnant, abused by her husband, and was forced to walk naked for mere extramarital sex is a character we feel some sympathy for) is somehow the bigger villain.


 
Of course the far-right have their own interpretation and think the white walkers represent the collapse that comes with immigration....



and GRRM's political views could not be more open.

after Trump's election:


 
Trump was the least qualified candidate ever nominated by a major party for the presidency. Come January, he will become the worst president in American history, and a dangerously unstable player on the world stage.

And the decimated Democrats, a minority in both House and Senate, do not have the power to hinder him.

Over the next four years, our problems are going to get much, much worse.

Winter is coming. I told you so.



https://grrm.livejournal.com/506110.html


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 05 2019 22:53. Posts 956

omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope

The fish call, the shark raise. 

PplusAD   Germany. May 05 2019 23:03. Posts 7174


  On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote:
omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope



Well no matter what happens i am prepared for GOT to continue what started in Season 6

Less GOT more Hollywood Action movie

I have not seen any episode 4 spoilers but i am

very aware that they are so shit that they will probably kill one or both dragons with that ridiculous ballista from Season 7 somehwere within the last 3 episodes....
Aegon Targaryen conquerd the 7 Kingdoms with 3 dragons when Season 7 of GOT wants us to believe all you need to kill a Dragon is a basically a bigger Crossbow >-<
No idea who came up with that shit but i think at some point unfortunately that will happen

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 06 2019 00:58. Posts 4496

G.R.R.M has compared white walkers to global warming in terms of existential threats. I think it is much more fitting than fascism. Rather one of the big and obvious point of the series is that autocratic political systems are not good for dealing with existiential threats.

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PuertoRican   United States. May 06 2019 03:52. Posts 11545



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Episode 4 was interesting in various ways. Some parts were funny, some sad, some scary.

No big battles, as expected.

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Daut    United States. May 06 2019 05:26. Posts 8897

I thought 8.04 was the best episode since 6.10. Great stuff, but still seems hard to believe that it can be wrapped up in <3 hours.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

NMcNasty    United States. May 06 2019 06:12. Posts 2013

Yeah best episode in terms of plot development. Felt like they were finally starting to move forward as opposed to wrapping things up from previous seasons.


PplusAD   Germany. May 06 2019 09:20. Posts 7174

I agree it had some very good moments and is definitely one of the best epsiodes since Season6 (New GOT)

OFC it had some shit moments , too but overall we had some interesting developements in politics which we didnt have for a long time.


Edit

And i am pretty sure Dany will die.
The development of her character within the last few episodes is that she is completely falling apart.

Her Army of 10.000 Dothraki and 13.000 Unsullied + 2 dragons is now left with
~ 3000 unsullied + 1 Dragon




She has ~ 10.000 Northman that dont even accept her and just follow Jon Snow.

Sansa one of the most smart and determined figures in this hates her
Tyrion one of the most smart and determined figures in this lost his faith in her
Lord Varys one of the most smart and determined figures in this says that he will try to let her be killed if necessary

her only close real friends Messandei and Jorah are dead.

You can also see that she is deeply destroyed by the knowledge of not being the choosen one.
In fact everything she build her strength on was a lie in the first place.

Afterall she got so successfull due to believing she is the choosen Targaryen ,the last of her kind , born of flames to bring back the glory of her family and rule over the seven kingdoms.
Now she knows Jon is the choosen Targaryen and the root of her strength was a lie


Considering all this i cant see any other ending for her than being killed.

I mean even if she should win vs Ceresei all she has left is like 2000 soldiers (assuming some die in the last war) and possible no Dragons while everybody around her hates her .
I really see no way she comes out alive in this next 2 episodes

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Loco   Canada. May 06 2019 13:45. Posts 20012

Well, the critical turning point was when she refused to listen to her advisers - the only people she has left along with Jon. She did become a tyrant then, with the most typical tyrant phrase, "the means justify the ends". I think it's a bit out of character for her, I guess we are supposed to feel like she is getting desperate and needs an independent show of force to assert herself. It will of course end badly.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 06 2019 14:48. Posts 8874


  On May 06 2019 12:45 Loco wrote:
Well, the critical turning point was when she refused to listen to her advisers - the only people she has left along with Jon. She did become a tyrant then, with the most typical tyrant phrase, "the means justify the ends". I think it's a bit out of character for her, I guess we are supposed to feel like she is getting desperate and needs an independent show of force to assert herself. It will of course end badly.



I was fairly convinced they would go for the "Dany going mad" plot and they did, quite sad and obvious.

I felt like the episode is pure shit again. That Dragon death was quite retarded. First of all, they are dragons, second of all they are fucking flying and can see everything for miles ahead so ambushing a fucking dragon is a joke. Are we supposed to believe they managed to hide all ships behind a ridge? Even if they did, how exactly will they aim and shoot before the dragons see them???

I won't even mention the teleportation techniques used in the episode again, they made it look so natural now, that we're supposed to just take it without questioning.... pathetic. Euron should've gotten completely destroyed there. Daenerys could've literally made a circle behind the ships and set them all to flames while being safe from the weapons. They can't turn them around without hitting their own ship, so what the fuck was that. Why didn't they just wait till they were at the gates to kill a dragon, it would've made 10x the sense.

The only way they salvage the series is if Daenerys goes mad, slaughters everyone to the throne and sits on it, ending the series the way it started - with a mad queen on the throne. I hope they don't end it with some sugarcoated story where Dany gets killed by Jon and he claims the throne.

Games like this never end well.

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balakubak   . May 06 2019 14:56. Posts 102


  On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote:
omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope



Were the leaks accurate?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 06 2019 14:59. Posts 4496

yes the point with dragons being ambushed is silly, there is no reconnasiance in this show prior to military battles. Why be invested in this show though, just move on to something with better writing.

Also these.. predictions, I already know what happens from spoilers

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 06 2019 15:07. Posts 956

guys this episode was pure trash i dont know how can you actually say it has any good in it, i am amazed and stunned how can you destroy the show like DnD are doing right now...

Why would u take 2 years to build this season that has less screen time than the usual and mess up like this is beyond every reason. I spend some time lurking around GRRMs comments on the show after s7 and its clear he dosnt want to talk about the show and does not have any respect for it. Maybe he saw the adaptation and did not agree with it but DnD decided to go anyway(he mentions something like this in one of his interviews but its very vague).

I had my hopes very high after episode 2, i thought its the usual way of how this show has been going - pilot episode not that good, second one a good one and so on in an ascending manner... also was not very disappointed after episode 3 but now i am stunned...

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PplusAD   Germany. May 06 2019 15:08. Posts 7174

The Dragon death was completely stupid and made no sense at all......

- As you mentioned there was no way Eurons Fleet could see the Dragons before the Dragons could see Euron... the fact that Eurons Armada did hide behinde a rock is so ridiculous
- To aim that thing to hit a flying dragon with the first shot is close to impossible ... wtf action hero Sniper shoot by Euron
- Dragon should not fear big crossbows.... it would have made more sense if the Dragon got hit with like 20 Arrows where 1 Arrow makes it through at the place he got injured while fighting Viserion.
- Wtf they bring the dragon to negotiate with Cersei where the castle has hundreds of these ballistas that apparently need only a single hit to kill a dragon....

etc etc....



But it was clear it would happen so i was prepared for the worst.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 06 2019 16:47. Posts 8874

I like how they cut their CGI budget too with Jon "relieving" ghost of his duty and sending him north.. the fuck :D

I'd say that everyone on the team from the screenwriters to the executives approving the screenplays were high as fuck, but people that do drugs are at least creative so I doubt that.... they are just terrible at their job thats all.


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 06 2019 22:28. Posts 956

btw sickest commercial ive ever seen... whoever invented that with the starbucks cup should get a medal... really guys its the best possible commercial and i think the chances that this is on purpose are like 99.9%


  On May 06 2019 13:56 balakubak wrote:
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Were the leaks accurate?


yes unfortunately - they leaked the whole episode basically - the main events of it

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. May 06 2019 22:58. Posts 2863

I liked the episode a lot. The ambush was a bit sudden and unrealistic, but it was also a really tense scene. And I thought the rest of the episode was pretty damn great.

I don't understand the point of view of people who think it would be better if daenerys's group was 1 km further away so they'd be out of ballista range. If you want realism to the point where you'd want Tyrion and Qyburn's walk to last for 10 minutes instead of 1 then I'm gonna argue that's just not very good tv.

lol POKER 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 06 2019 23:39. Posts 8874


  On May 06 2019 21:28 Zografa wrote:
btw sickest commercial ive ever seen... whoever invented that with the starbucks cup should get a medal... really guys its the best possible commercial and i think the chances that this is on purpose are like 99.9%

Show nested quote +



yes unfortunately - they leaked the whole episode basically - the main events of it



Can you PM me with leaks for ep 5 and 6 if there are any, I'm not really interested in watching the show anymore but want to have a "closure"


  On May 06 2019 21:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I liked the episode a lot. The ambush was a bit sudden and unrealistic, but it was also a really tense scene. And I thought the rest of the episode was pretty damn great.

I don't understand the point of view of people who think it would be better if daenerys's group was 1 km further away so they'd be out of ballista range. If you want realism to the point where you'd want Tyrion and Qyburn's walk to last for 10 minutes instead of 1 then I'm gonna argue that's just not very good tv.



Just lol.

Nobody wants a real time representation of every event, obviously we're not gonna watch them ride horses for 2 months to get to King's Landing, but there are tons of character development happening in that time, teleportation is bad for many reasons, but the main one is that it completely destroys the main thing the show was good for. By your post I bet you liked Avengers End Game as well.

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. May 07 2019 01:01. Posts 2863

yeah sure, I liked both endgame and infinity war, and lots of other marvel movies too. I also like a lot of artsy dialogue driven movies. And series. I loved the first seasons of this show, and I'm still enjoying it today. That's why I'm still watching it lol. In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to.

I had pretty big issues with some of the teleportation from last season, like when dragons came across the wall. That one didn't pass my plausability meter at all. But I didn't feel any need or desire to watch the fleet travel towards dragonstone. I also thought there were several cool dialogues happening this episode, some good tyrion+varys, and I'm feeling real character development in dany.

I mean, they are trying wrap stuff up. It's the final season. Some of it moves too fast. But the way some of you guys have consistently been hating on this show for a good while now, it just doesn't make any sense that you're still watching it. I remember when the walking dead was released. A lot of people talked about how good the first couple episodes were, before they started talking about how shitty it was. I remember watching one episode from season 2, and thinking it was shit. And then I did the reasonable thing; I didn't watch any more. I think it's ridiculous how every week, and it's been going on for like 2+ seasons now, I see a bunch of people online talk about how shitty they think the show is now. Shouldn't you have picked up on it and stopped by now?

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Daut    United States. May 07 2019 01:08. Posts 8897

I wasn't too distressed by the ambush out of the cove (obv it was improbable), but I thought Dany considering dive bombing Drogon into the ships then veering off and somehow avoiding every single scorpion arrow was my one major gripe about the episode. Just why? Why have her do that? Why make every arrow shockingly miss when they can hit a dragon from a mile out? The one extremely silly thing about the episode.

Other than that, I agreed with Drone about the timetraveling. I thought Dany making it to Jon north of the wall in a day from Storm's End in season 7 was completely egregious, but didn't mind anything last episode as they don't give clear indications of how much time has passed.

Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here.

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Daut    United States. May 07 2019 01:25. Posts 8897


  On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to.



I agree with this, but I do take a lot of value from theorycrafting better/more realistic/more creative plot/character development both publicly with others and inside my own head. Most of us have a lot of freedom in our lives, what if one of us decided to write a fantasy series one day and took a lot from the discussion? Or thinking it through made us a better thinker, analyzer, whatever.

The process also gives me empathy for people working on shows. It's just really fucking hard to do things great. The Long Night was a beautifully filmed, scored, and choreographed episode but ended up blurry and obscured because of light issues. How do you make an 80 minute battle interesting throughout? How do you transition from different areas of a fight seamlessly? How do you get different portions of an army involved logically without taking too much time? These are all really difficult problems to solve on a tv show. In a book, not so difficult, GRRM could have written 8 chapters on The Long Night, shifting perspective from Jon to Dany to Arya to Sansa to Tyrion to Bran to Jon to Arya and fleshed it all out. On a show, much more difficult with time constraints.


tl;dr: I have no problems with the doublethink of simultaneously enjoying something that was really fucking hard to enact while critiquing it and theorycrafting possible ways to improve it.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Zografa   Bulgaria. May 07 2019 07:08. Posts 956


  On May 07 2019 00:25 Daut wrote:
Show nested quote +



I agree with this, but I do take a lot of value from theorycrafting better/more realistic/more creative plot/character development both publicly with others and inside my own head. Most of us have a lot of freedom in our lives, what if one of us decided to write a fantasy series one day and took a lot from the discussion? Or thinking it through made us a better thinker, analyzer, whatever.

The process also gives me empathy for people working on shows. It's just really fucking hard to do things great. The Long Night was a beautifully filmed, scored, and choreographed episode but ended up blurry and obscured because of light issues. How do you make an 80 minute battle interesting throughout? How do you transition from different areas of a fight seamlessly? How do you get different portions of an army involved logically without taking too much time? These are all really difficult problems to solve on a tv show. In a book, not so difficult, GRRM could have written 8 chapters on The Long Night, shifting perspective from Jon to Dany to Arya to Sansa to Tyrion to Bran to Jon to Arya and fleshed it all out. On a show, much more difficult with time constraints.


tl;dr: I have no problems with the doublethink of simultaneously enjoying something that was really fucking hard to enact while critiquing it and theorycrafting possible ways to improve it.


Love this comment, can relate to lots of stuff.


  On May 06 2019 22:39 Spitfiree wrote:
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Can you PM me with leaks for ep 5 and 6 if there are any, I'm not really interested in watching the show anymore but want to have a "closure"


  On May 06 2019 21:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I liked the episode a lot. The ambush was a bit sudden and unrealistic, but it was also a really tense scene. And I thought the rest of the episode was pretty damn great.

I don't understand the point of view of people who think it would be better if daenerys's group was 1 km further away so they'd be out of ballista range. If you want realism to the point where you'd want Tyrion and Qyburn's walk to last for 10 minutes instead of 1 then I'm gonna argue that's just not very good tv.



Just lol.

Nobody wants a real time representation of every event, obviously we're not gonna watch them ride horses for 2 months to get to King's Landing, but there are tons of character development happening in that time, teleportation is bad for many reasons, but the main one is that it completely destroys the main thing the show was good for. By your post I bet you liked Avengers End Game as well.



They released the whole episode like 2 days upfront, leaked trough some Thai HBO department.


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Liquid`Drone   Norway. May 07 2019 09:10. Posts 2863

I also have no problems with theorycrafting better solutions or whatever, I do that myself. And sometimes I do find unrealistic (not in terms of there are dragons breathing fire, but in the sense that 'this is impossible in the universe they have created') events so off-putting that it kills my enjoyment.

My argument is that people who think the show has been shit ever since it parted from the book material probably should have picked up on that at least 2-3 seasons ago and stopped watching it then. I thought the previous season struggled more with maintaining internal consistency than the current one. I don't have a problem with 'it's unrealistic that so many main actors survived the fight' (I felt the same way and have argued that), I have a problem with 'this show is complete shit and has been for a long time but for some reason I'm still watching it anyway'.

lol POKER 

Baalim   Mexico. May 07 2019 09:12. Posts 33087

The crossbow is absolutely retarded... hits a dragon thrice from a mile away then misses 20 times against a much closer one and decimates their ships as if they were spanish galleons with 20 gunpowdered cannons each... ridiculous.

The worst of all is that they had a dozen of those on top of the wall and Daenerys very close... why not just shoot her and also kill Tyrion when he gets close when obv Cersei doesnt give a fuck?



I just hope that the second sons dont appear in another deus ex machina way... please dont do this pleeease!!!!!... also dont make Jamie kill Cersei that would be so cheesy.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 07 2019 09:12. Posts 8874


  On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to.


Obviously, its also easier, there were a bunch of stuff like the dialogues you pointed out that which were good in the episode, the thing is I won't close my eyes for obvious poorly thought-out stuff in the series. Swallowing the dragon scene away, the next time you see Dany she's already at the gates of King's Landing.... considering her forces almost got wiped out and they need rest, plus you need to actually travel to King's Landing and that she lost one of her "kids", there is plenty that would change for her character. It would make her descending into madness much more plausible if they didn't completely skip that part.

Don't think that whining about the series has an impact in my life though. Either way I'd still strive to look how to make something better, rather than just be satisfied. That doesn't exclude gratification of current results though.


  On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Shouldn't you have picked up on it and stopped by now?


As I've said, if this wasn't the last season I would've dropped the series. It's been going in freefall for a while now. I had hopes they'd fix things after Season 5, and S6 had a few good things until the end. Generally, I'm super annoyed that they botched up the series with complete stupidity. Episode 4 was the best one from the entire season so far and that says a lot.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 07 2019 17:23. Posts 956

+ Show Spoiler +


Kings Landing v 1.0

+ Show Spoiler +


Kings Landing v 2.0

As sir Davos once said - this place has changed.


  On May 07 2019 00:08 Daut wrote:

Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here.


Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D
Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return?
Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 07 2019 18:34. Posts 8874

It made no sense, they should've just slaughtered all of them.

OR

Missandei should've been released

Releasing Missandei would've been the most +EV move for Cersei, cause she could spread the news and show the people she's not the bad guy and paint Daenerys in a even worse manner. They didn't accomplish anything by killing Missandei other than taking away the hottest chick in the series


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 07 2019 22:41. Posts 956


  On May 07 2019 17:34 Spitfiree wrote:
It made no sense, they should've just slaughtered all of them.

OR

Missandei should've been released

Releasing Missandei would've been the most +EV move for Cersei, cause she could spread the news and show the people she's not the bad guy and paint Daenerys in a even worse manner. They didn't accomplish anything by killing Missandei other than taking away the hottest chick in the series


well the normies around me are impressed btw, so they did accomplish smth...

The fish call, the shark raise. 

Daut    United States. May 08 2019 02:09. Posts 8897


  On May 07 2019 16:23 Zografa wrote:
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Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D
Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return?
Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol.




There's a large difference between killing an enemy prisoner captured during battle and killing your enemies at a parley. But in terms of blasphemy to their culture, I can't quite reconcile Cersei blowing up the Sept and not attacking Dany/Drogon/Tyrion at the parley. What she did with the wildfire in season 6 was much much worse than what she decided not to do last episode, and there's no way to argue out of it.

But, I still think she decided the risk was not worth the gain -- no assurance of killing them if they started firing, risk turning her human shields away or against her, the bulk of Dany's forces are still at large, the majority (at least area wise) of the realm supports her usurper, and even if Dany died, there is another potential usurper right behind her in Jon. Further, the best way to win the people to her side is to goad Dany into doing something stupid via killing Missandei, sort of similar to Ramsey shooting a certain Stark child that didn't know how to run in zig zags before the Battle of the Bastards. I'm still mostly ok with the way the end of the episode played out.

I agree with spitfire that Dany turning into the Mad Queen was the obvious character arc, but I don't think it's a bad way to go given that she's basically always been a brutal tyrant, she's just been a little more measured before this.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 08 2019 04:04. Posts 33087

i absolutely diagree that its out of Cersei's character to try to kill them there, just simply killing the dragon would have a huge impact on her winning odds and even if she decides not to... why on earth would you give her the opportunity to do it?

I know these are just details, if they standed further back she couldn't have seen or heard Missandei so the scene loses impact, but instead of trying to come up with a coherent way to do it they just choose cool scenes over anything else, they are willing to change Cerseis character (deciding not killing them) just for the sake a stupid scene instead of going through the trouble of actually using their brains.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 08 2019 04:48. Posts 4496


  On May 07 2019 17:34 Spitfiree wrote:
It made no sense, they should've just slaughtered all of them.

OR

Missandei should've been released

Releasing Missandei would've been the most +EV move for Cersei, cause she could spread the news and show the people she's not the bad guy and paint Daenerys in a even worse manner. They didn't accomplish anything by killing Missandei other than taking away the hottest chick in the series



it would be dumb to either release or execute Missandei. They are a hostage, and are of some value. Also she is a very intelligent person and could be useful to cersei. Remember how dumb it was when joffrey executed ned? He almost lost the war doing that. Missendei isn't as valuableas ned, but it's the same principle.

I also don't really understand why cersei didn't just kill them all right there and win the war, usually these meetings u have both sides vulnerable so it doesn't happen. cersei has archers and a giant wall to hide behind.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 08 2019 05:07. Posts 4496

anyone notice the starbucks cup in last episode?

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 08:21. Posts 8874

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  On May 08 2019 07:21 Spitfiree wrote:
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nowhere in the show is that mentioned, even so though if you make a metallic alloy, it's supposed to be stronger than the sum of it's parts. and putting armor on a dragon is a very good strategy. If nothing else it is at least as good as having 2 layers of skin.

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PplusAD   Germany. May 08 2019 09:42. Posts 7174

Well allthough that spoiler guys claim to have nailed it every episode in fact they were wrong in some points in many of the previous episodes.

Its more like a good guess based on some insider information than a real spoiler.

Many of the things spoilerd in the freefolk spoilers did come true
some did not.

For example longer ago it was spoilerd

"Missandei gets her head cut off execution style and Gold Company takes out on of Dany's Dragons"

turns out like i said before
"Its more like a good guess based on some insider information than a real spoiler."


I would find a dragon armour ridiculous for 2 reasons.

1.) Dragons allready natural have incredible thick and good armour.
It just feels wrong to put armour on a beast that has the strongest natural armour anyways.
Feels like putting leather armour on a stonegolem

2.) To get the amount of valyrian steel and the timeframe to forge such a gigantic armour for a dragon that does not hinder his movement nor flying ability too much would take years ?
There is only very few valyrian steel in the GoT world (basically only swords and daggers of the High Lords + some valyrian armour in a rarity that probably is like 3-4 in the whole world)
So dont tell me they just magically get like 1000 Kilo of valyrian steel and Gendry does a 24h crunch smithing to get a dragon armour ready ?


Concerning the possible Jamie capturing

I wasnt aware they see him as a traitor ?
I mean he did ride away from Winterfell but how do the troops of Cersei know what he plans ?
Even we dont know what his goals are.
Maybe he comes to help them ?

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 10:02. Posts 956


  On May 08 2019 01:09 Daut wrote:
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There's a large difference between killing an enemy prisoner captured during battle and killing your enemies at a parley. But in terms of blasphemy to their culture, I can't quite reconcile Cersei blowing up the Sept and not attacking Dany/Drogon/Tyrion at the parley. What she did with the wildfire in season 6 was much much worse than what she decided not to do last episode, and there's no way to argue out of it.

But, I still think she decided the risk was not worth the gain -- no assurance of killing them if they started firing, risk turning her human shields away or against her, the bulk of Dany's forces are still at large, the majority (at least area wise) of the realm supports her usurper, and even if Dany died, there is another potential usurper right behind her in Jon. Further, the best way to win the people to her side is to goad Dany into doing something stupid via killing Missandei, sort of similar to Ramsey shooting a certain Stark child that didn't know how to run in zig zags before the Battle of the Bastards. I'm still mostly ok with the way the end of the episode played out.

I agree with spitfire that Dany turning into the Mad Queen was the obvious character arc, but I don't think it's a bad way to go given that she's basically always been a brutal tyrant, she's just been a little more measured before this.


Oh, wow i considered your first post a joke

Well i just think the way they showed those scenes makes no sense at all, at least to me - screenwriting is very bad.

Firstly lets see who Cersei really is? She is a Lannister. The Lannister family that plotted to murder Robbert Barateon(wine) and Ned Stark(LF and golden cloaks) AND the same family that stabbed the last Targaryen king in the back while being sworn to protect him(hi Jaime but more importantly hi Tywin who already had his master plan working before even Jaime got involved). They organized the Red Wedding. A very similar meeting just one season ago Tyrion said that Danny needs to bring her whole army so Cersei dosnt do anything stupid.

And now Danny goes with a single dragon and few hundreds(we actually saw just 100) of unsullied and u are telling me that she gives a fuck about "parley" that is an execution scene? I dont see any risk i see just gains in this - the war is unavoidable, the people already hate Cersei. Why not try to slaughter at least the living force that Danny had with her even if they cant kill the dragon? I mean i keep on searching for logic in those scenes that make absolutely no fucking sense.

About Danny going "mad" - she is not mad as in Mad King... she is losing everything and everyone its more like a desperation but not madness. I dont know why people still call that "MAD". Also how come she is a brutal tyrant, wtf? Why dont u use the same wording for Cersei, lol? Just do a quick review of what is done by whom and tell me who is mad and brutal tyrant :D They build Danny's character 8 seasons just to get butchered in 90 minutes of totally retarded plot writing. Same as the NK - a character and a story you build for 70 hours of tv show to get 15 minutes of slow motion walking to a lame death scene.

It is just pity that this show had everything, i mean even the actors are doing great job right now(it was not the case when the show started). The costumes, the visuals, the CGI, the audio, acting, etc... everything is good, great or above average BUT the writing... and it happens that this is the most important shit in the show. I mean im not watching GoT because of CGI... if i want to see CGI ill go see Avengers or some shit.

I love the show, i love the whole GOT/ASOIF universe. I even try to watch the episodes and enjoy them as much as i can(doing Tony Robbins shit while watching lol focus on the positive stuff...:D)). I am invested in this story and i want to get satisfying ending in terms of quality. And so far we got 4 out of 6 episodes where the best one is actually episode 2. I think those are the 4 worst episodes in a row in terms of average quality the show ever had.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 10:24. Posts 956

About the Gendry makes valyrian steel armor plot:

i think its possible - they are at Dragonstone - you have plenty of dragonglass there, you have a dragon that breaths fire and steel is not considered a problem at all. So you have Gendry - experienced blacksmith that got trained by one of the few older blacksmiths who actually worked on valyrian steel and all the ingredients(well almost all - the one part that is missing is the magic - it is known that there is magic involved and also maybe blood magic). Euron doing that crazy face in the trailer also can be a hint for this.

P.s Fun fact - Euron Greyjoy is the only person known in the books to own a valyrian steel armor

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PplusAD   Germany. May 08 2019 10:31. Posts 7174

You dont need magic for reforging valyrian steel !
You only need magic for creating it

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 10:32. Posts 956


  On May 08 2019 09:31 PplusAD wrote:
You dont need magic for reforging valyrian steel !
You only need magic for creating it




I agree, where do u get that amount of valyrian steel to reforge it to a dragon armor?

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balakubak   . May 08 2019 13:18. Posts 102

No armor. Gendry will equip sidewinder missles on Drogon's wings with the help of Ser Davos.


PplusAD   Germany. May 08 2019 13:56. Posts 7174


  On May 08 2019 09:32 Zografa wrote:
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I agree, where do u get that amount of valyrian steel to reforge it to a dragon armor?


See my post #187



Its not possible unless you have many years of time.,...
they would basically need every weapon and armour of every noble house
and even then its probbaly hardly enough for a whole dragon armour

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 14:11. Posts 956


  On May 08 2019 12:56 PplusAD wrote:
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See my post #187



Its not possible unless you have many years of time.,...
they would basically need every weapon and armour of every noble house
and even then its probbaly hardly enough for a whole dragon armour



This is why i think if true this will be more like Gendry creating it with what they have, not reforging old stuff. However if true it will be ultra rushed and not explained at all... it will be like:
Danny:
-Oh come Gendry, lord of the Stormlands(how convenient i just made you) i need you to do this for me(like he did that Arya spear) - this is valyrian steel armor - here is dragon glass, here is steel and here are the keys to my dragon, now go fucking do it so i can prepare myself for full berserk mode on those civilians in KL, so my incest-lover could kill me and GoT fans think its justified.

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Daut    United States. May 08 2019 15:13. Posts 8897


  On May 08 2019 09:02 Zografa wrote:
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Oh, wow i considered your first post a joke

Well i just think the way they showed those scenes makes no sense at all, at least to me - screenwriting is very bad.

Firstly lets see who Cersei really is? She is a Lannister. The Lannister family that plotted to murder Robbert Barateon(wine) and Ned Stark(LF and golden cloaks) AND the same family that stabbed the last Targaryen king in the back while being sworn to protect him(hi Jaime but more importantly hi Tywin who already had his master plan working before even Jaime got involved). They organized the Red Wedding. A very similar meeting just one season ago Tyrion said that Danny needs to bring her whole army so Cersei dosnt do anything stupid.

And now Danny goes with a single dragon and few hundreds(we actually saw just 100) of unsullied and u are telling me that she gives a fuck about "parley" that is an execution scene? I dont see any risk i see just gains in this - the war is unavoidable, the people already hate Cersei. Why not try to slaughter at least the living force that Danny had with her even if they cant kill the dragon? I mean i keep on searching for logic in those scenes that make absolutely no fucking sense.

About Danny going "mad" - she is not mad as in Mad King... she is losing everything and everyone its more like a desperation but not madness. I dont know why people still call that "MAD". Also how come she is a brutal tyrant, wtf? Why dont u use the same wording for Cersei, lol? Just do a quick review of what is done by whom and tell me who is mad and brutal tyrant :D They build Danny's character 8 seasons just to get butchered in 90 minutes of totally retarded plot writing. Same as the NK - a character and a story you build for 70 hours of tv show to get 15 minutes of slow motion walking to a lame death scene.

It is just pity that this show had everything, i mean even the actors are doing great job right now(it was not the case when the show started). The costumes, the visuals, the CGI, the audio, acting, etc... everything is good, great or above average BUT the writing... and it happens that this is the most important shit in the show. I mean im not watching GoT because of CGI... if i want to see CGI ill go see Avengers or some shit.

I love the show, i love the whole GOT/ASOIF universe. I even try to watch the episodes and enjoy them as much as i can(doing Tony Robbins shit while watching lol focus on the positive stuff...:D)). I am invested in this story and i want to get satisfying ending in terms of quality. And so far we got 4 out of 6 episodes where the best one is actually episode 2. I think those are the 4 worst episodes in a row in terms of average quality the show ever had.



Cersei is obviously a tyrant and a psychopath, but I don't think she's "mad". Most of her tyrant actions were done calmly/logically. She knowingly ripped up Ned's letter from Robert because she was in control of the forces, she methodically planned the blowing up of the sept for a while to reclaim power over Tommen so they could rule together, etc. The one time she was driven mad was when Joffrey died and she bribed everyone possible to lie on the stand against Tyrion. Yes it would have been completely in character for Cersei to fire on them at the parley and would have increased her odds of winning the war with Dany/North overall, but I think it's not a slam dunk decision given the reasons I stated previously, and think her choice to not fire but to goad Dany into turning the people against her is fine. It's just not a major issue to me compared to half the shit that happened in season 7 and the Long Night episode. What I'm mostly arguing is that I could see her doing either thing (and I even grant that it's more likely she would fire), but most people are saying they see no reason at all to not just fire on them, which I think is wrong.

Dany on the other hand has rashly made decisions that went directly against her advisors (hanging the freed Meereen slave, burning the Tarlys, nailing the masters from the far east to signs, etc) She's always had a bit of a crazy streak but Tyrion, Jorah, etc have been able to coax her into a more logical action a bunch of times. She's unhinged now though and beyond the voice of reason from Tyrion/Varys. It seems like a pretty reasonable arc to me. I just view Cersei as a logical psychopath, and Dany as an impulsive stubborn brat who sees red and sometimes acts on it and is sometimes talked down from it but right now is beyond logic. Dany has also been a conqueror her entire adult life and trying to make everyone bend to her will for 5 seasons. They're both tyrants, but one is an intelligent psychopath and the other is impulsive and has anger management issues.

I definitely think the last episode was extremely rushed, and they needed a number of improbable things to happen because of it -- it probably should have been spaced out over 3 episodes, but I thought they did a good job for stuffing all of it into one episode. Still, I don't know why 2 seasons ahead of time they decided there would be 13 episodes and then to have extremely weird pacing -- an entire episode of talking and slow buildup, followed by a battle that shouldn't have immediately killed the existential threat, followed by an episode that probably had half a season's worth of stuff happen in 80 minutes. I don't know what they were thinking with the last 2 seasons overall, it's a huge dropoff, they even took an extra 9 months for this season as it didn't air last year so obviously they were consulting with GRRM. Why couldn't they lengthen it to 2 more episodes and do everything properly? It's sad, I still enjoy the show, but it's gone from a 10/10 to an 8/10.

I maintain the stance (most of us here probably do too, but I think it's popular to think there was a huge dropoff after season 4) that season 6 was fantastic as GRRM had The Winds of Winter mostly written and at least fully planned out, and it's hilarious that in hindsight my biggest gripes about the season were Jon rushing into battle and getting saved by Littlefinger and the giant not being given a tree to swing against Ramsey's forces. I've had issues with basically every episode since 7.1 and don't think any of them are as good as the ones before that.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 16:35. Posts 956


  On May 08 2019 14:13 Daut wrote:
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Cersei is obviously a tyrant and a psychopath, but I don't think she's "mad". Most of her tyrant actions were done calmly/logically. She knowingly ripped up Ned's letter from Robert because she was in control of the forces, she methodically planned the blowing up of the sept for a while to reclaim power over Tommen so they could rule together, etc. The one time she was driven mad was when Joffrey died and she bribed everyone possible to lie on the stand against Tyrion. Yes it would have been completely in character for Cersei to fire on them at the parley and would have increased her odds of winning the war with Dany/North overall, but I think it's not a slam dunk decision given the reasons I stated previously, and think her choice to not fire but to goad Dany into turning the people against her is fine. It's just not a major issue to me compared to half the shit that happened in season 7 and the Long Night episode. What I'm mostly arguing is that I could see her doing either thing (and I even grant that it's more likely she would fire), but most people are saying they see no reason at all to not just fire on them, which I think is wrong.

Dany on the other hand has rashly made decisions that went directly against her advisors (hanging the freed Meereen slave, burning the Tarlys, nailing the masters from the far east to signs, etc) She's always had a bit of a crazy streak but Tyrion, Jorah, etc have been able to coax her into a more logical action a bunch of times. She's unhinged now though and beyond the voice of reason from Tyrion/Varys. It seems like a pretty reasonable arc to me. I just view Cersei as a logical psychopath, and Dany as an impulsive stubborn brat who sees red and sometimes acts on it and is sometimes talked down from it but right now is beyond logic. Dany has also been a conqueror her entire adult life and trying to make everyone bend to her will for 5 seasons. They're both tyrants, but one is an intelligent psychopath and the other is impulsive and has anger management issues.

I definitely think the last episode was extremely rushed, and they needed a number of improbable things to happen because of it -- it probably should have been spaced out over 3 episodes, but I thought they did a good job for stuffing all of it into one episode. Still, I don't know why 2 seasons ahead of time they decided there would be 13 episodes and then to have extremely weird pacing -- an entire episode of talking and slow buildup, followed by a battle that shouldn't have immediately killed the existential threat, followed by an episode that probably had half a season's worth of stuff happen in 80 minutes. I don't know what they were thinking with the last 2 seasons overall, it's a huge dropoff, they even took an extra 9 months for this season as it didn't air last year so obviously they were consulting with GRRM. Why couldn't they lengthen it to 2 more episodes and do everything properly? It's sad, I still enjoy the show, but it's gone from a 10/10 to an 8/10.

I maintain the stance (most of us here probably do too, but I think it's popular to think there was a huge dropoff after season 4) that season 6 was fantastic as GRRM had The Winds of Winter mostly written and at least fully planned out, and it's hilarious that in hindsight my biggest gripes about the season were Jon rushing into battle and getting saved by Littlefinger and the giant not being given a tree to swing against Ramsey's forces. I've had issues with basically every episode since 7.1 and don't think any of them are as good as the ones before that.



Well i think we kind of have different visions on Dany - i think more of her like a person who is aware of some of her daemons and is wanting to do stuff to avoid embracing them. I mean she listens to her advisers almost always to a some degree. The Tarly thing is being brought up so much, but let me tell you my vision of it - the old Tarly was a traitor, who broke an oath, went full hypocrite and his reasoning was complete bullshit. His son... was just proud and stupid - it was very well pointed out so by the Bronn/Jaime conversations with him.

Missandei ... wtf was that "dracarys"(and with an echo lol)... the girl that was born on an island where violence was basically absent among her people and they were passive even when others enslaved them. I bet DnD were told Missandei is very likable by the normies, so why not make her death something special - make her the catalyst of the "mad queen" lol... just like they did with Lyana Mormont - they admitted she was a one scene character but because of fan fiction they gave her heroic status.

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lebowski   Greece. May 08 2019 16:41. Posts 9121

^ she was asking her queen to burn them all I guess

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Daut    United States. May 08 2019 16:48. Posts 8897

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 17:18. Posts 956


  But whenever Aerys gave a man to the flames, Queen Rhaella would have a visitor in the night. The day he burned his mace-and-dagger Hand, Jaime and Jon Darry had stood guard outside her bedchamber whilst the king took his pleasure. "You're hurting me," they had heard Rhaella cry through the oaken door. "You're HURTING me." In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted's screaming. "We are sworn to protect her as well," Jaime had finally been driven to say. "We are," Darry allowed, "but not from him." [...] He heard the maids whispering after. They said the queen looked as if some beast had savaged her, clawing at her thighs and chewing on her breasts. A crowned beast, Jaime knew.



This is a description of the Mad King from the books. I dont see anything even remotely related to what Dany is. You may call her ruthless and impulsive but mad like her father is a far reach. In fact this madness is very close to what Cersei is, just without some of the "external" symptoms.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 21:46. Posts 8874

I don't know man I feel like Daenerys is just gonna burn everyone in her path until King's Landing is in ashes now. No other plausible reason to kill Missandei

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PplusAD   Germany. May 08 2019 22:09. Posts 7174


  On May 08 2019 15:48 Daut wrote:
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The armour isnt a spoiler its just a theory for Euron looking so surprised
And tbh that this even is an option says a lot about where the show went after season 6.

I really had to laugh about your comment with your season 6 example since it is so true.
Things have changed so much that nobody nowadays would even notice the giant not having a good weapon since so many other things are "wrong"

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 08 2019 22:13. Posts 956


  On May 08 2019 20:46 Spitfiree wrote:
I don't know man I feel like Daenerys is just gonna burn everyone in her path until King's Landing is in ashes now. No other plausible reason to kill Missandei


I see this scenario as possible:
Dany wins by actually not doing anything bad, however Cersei uses the barrels she has been loading around KL(u can spot them in the trailer images they are everywhere in the scene where Cersei observes ppl entering the yard) making it look like Dany did it(also matches what qybern said to bronn when ordering him to kill tyrion and jaime "she has other plans for the Targaryen girl"

If u remember Cersei was ready to do mass murder and then suicide as KL was attacked bu Stannis

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balakubak   . May 09 2019 03:02. Posts 102


  On May 08 2019 15:48 Daut wrote:
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Baalim   Mexico. May 10 2019 04:16. Posts 33087

The starbucks cup will sit on the iron throne.

Still better writing than Season 8.


Agree with Daut, I think GoT was a 10/10 but the last 2 seasons being lilke a 5/10 make the whole series a 8/10... such a shame.

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 10 2019 10:10. Posts 4952

Euron's godmode every episode.. will it be explained in the books ?

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 10 2019 13:21. Posts 956


  On May 10 2019 09:10 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Euron's godmode every episode.. will it be explained in the books ?



Euron is a literally a "sea god" in the books but its much more detailed, he has a valyrian steel armor(the only one to exist) and a horn that controls dragons. He literally went to hell and back. It is described as a very powerful character.

The show representation is just a shallow picture of him.

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Smuft   Canada. May 10 2019 14:01. Posts 627


  On May 10 2019 03:16 Baalim wrote:
The starbucks cup will sit on the iron throne.

Still better writing than Season 8.


Agree with Daut, I think GoT was a 10/10 but the last 2 seasons being lilke a 5/10 make the whole series a 8/10... such a shame.



i prefer to think of it as pre/post having GRRM framework for writing
pre - GOT was an art form
post - GOT became a TV show for entertainment/profit, the audio/visual is still art level but w/o GRRM framework for writing, the show itself is no longer an art form


VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 10 2019 19:02. Posts 4952


  On May 10 2019 12:21 Zografa wrote:
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Euron is a literally a "sea god" in the books but its much more detailed, he has a valyrian steel armor(the only one to exist) and a horn that controls dragons. He literally went to hell and back. It is described as a very powerful character.

The show representation is just a shallow picture of him.


Thanks !

I gotta get started on the books

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PplusAD   Germany. May 10 2019 19:46. Posts 7174


  On May 10 2019 09:10 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Euron's godmode every episode.. will it be explained in the books ?






As far as i remember Euron is also heavily involved in black and blood magic

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 10 2019 22:28. Posts 8874

Euron is so OP I was actually not sure how they would develop another character to face him in the books. He just came outta nowhere and is so powerful that I kinda got annoyed of GRRM


Baalim   Mexico. May 10 2019 22:57. Posts 33087


  On May 10 2019 13:01 Smuft wrote:
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i prefer to think of it as pre/post having GRRM framework for writing
pre - GOT was an art form
post - GOT became a TV show for entertainment/profit, the audio/visual is still art level but w/o GRRM framework for writing, the show itself is no longer an art form


yep, thats what it is.

I'm just puzzled of why the writing is so terrible, I think myself or any other fan with half a brain could write it better but perhaps I'm just suffering from dunning-kruger but the shot is so full of ex-machinas and other goofy shit that I dont see how.

How can professional writers be this terrible? especially when GRRM set the foundations of how the story should be told breaking all the clichés, I'm honestly puzzled, is it that they have been writing in certain style for so long that they can't do anything else? I'd like to hear what people like Daut and Drone who are less reactionary think of why the writing is being done like this.

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Daut    United States. May 11 2019 16:06. Posts 8897


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yep, thats what it is.

I'm just puzzled of why the writing is so terrible, I think myself or any other fan with half a brain could write it better but perhaps I'm just suffering from dunning-kruger but the shot is so full of ex-machinas and other goofy shit that I dont see how.

How can professional writers be this terrible? especially when GRRM set the foundations of how the story should be told breaking all the clichés, I'm honestly puzzled, is it that they have been writing in certain style for so long that they can't do anything else? I'd like to hear what people like Daut and Drone who are less reactionary think of why the writing is being done like this.



I made a comparison to NBA coaching previously -- they do all the subtle things really well, then fuck up the super obvious things that anyone can realize don't make a ton of sense. I don't understand it, but they still do a pretty great job with dialogue, and most of the major plot points are still good (even in season 7, the things that happened were good, they just needed to unfold in a better way).

It's probably a combination of a number of things -- rushing to finish in a smaller number of episodes than they should, writing how they think a show should be written instead of how GoT is told, emphasis on wrapping up character arcs that would end abruptly in reality (think of how Lupus/Tonks/etc died at the end of Harry Potter vs how Jorah+Lyanna Mormont died), falling in love with choreography that looks cool instead of being realistic (Lyanna Mormont killing the giant), etc.

I still enjoy it (mostly because I'm adjusted to the new reality from season 7 and like this season better than the last one so far), but it's a been a gigantic dropoff ever since the opening scene of 7.1 (Arya obliterating House Fray, which was fucking awesome)

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 11 2019 21:28. Posts 4496

meh, i thought season 5+6+7+8 were all pretty bad writing wise~. Yes it's a combination of lots of things that have made it bad. It's not as simple as something like not killing off main charachters. I dislike how they made a lot of the charachters meet up; i'd prefer jorah to be somewhere by himself and sam to still be at the citadil for example. I hated the cersei plot in season 6. no witty or intelligent tyrion lines anymore, just bad enuch jokes. I also think too many characters were killed off since season 5. Why kill off interesting charachters if it doesn't serve a purpose of story telling. The pacing just feels really fast, and the show has declined since season 4 ending as there isn't really much interesting left to say-it's just more of the same in many cases. The entire dorne plot, it had nothing interesting to say at all in the end so it could have been cut entirely.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 12 2019 01:00. Posts 8874

Originally I found Season 5+++ to be terrible as well, however thats cause I had read the books, so I decided i was biased and a tv show has to make sacrifices, so I tried to get along with it and make compromises e.g. Jaime in Dorne and them cutting off completely the Dorne real plot and cutting off other alive Targeryans(the books one is much much better). However, since Season 7 they've completely focused on Hollywood bullshit and abandoned character development/experience, except Daenerys and Sansa and I feel like they only focus on those two for political reasons which makes it even worse. And even if they had a "bad season" as in the NBA, they had the chance to come back strong for Season 8.

Budget excuses are quite pitiful as well. I could probably write a few hundred rows long list of things that were wrong in this season alone, this is just inexcusably bad at this point.


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 12 2019 11:59. Posts 956

This tweet does a good hypothesis on what is going on:

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 12 2019 13:45. Posts 4952

Fuck Q rating..

http://www.ladbible.com/entertainment...TJws53g01PimaPmkULXIybKvfE1MZEuocpClg

The 70-year-old revealed in an interview with Rolling Stone that the final series had been 'not completely faithful', adding that he was 'a little sad' that there weren't a few more seasons.

He said: "Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. [...] It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing - that leads to a lot of conflict."

He continued: "You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with the story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'. The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."

The author went on to explain that he was not angered by how the final series has been made, rather, he wished the show could continue for a few seasons more.

He said: "You know, it's complex. I'm a little sad, actually. I wish we had a few more seasons. But I understand. Dave and Dan are gonna go on to do other things, and I'm sure some of the actors were signed up for like seven or eight years, and they would like to go on and take other roles. All of that is fair. I'm not angry or anything like that, but there's a little wistfulness in me."


So basically he says everything is rushed. I think a better solution would be to say goodbye to Dave and Dan - instead bring in some other guys to finish the show properly.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 12 2019 14:38. Posts 956


  On May 12 2019 12:45 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Fuck Q rating..

http://www.ladbible.com/entertainment...TJws53g01PimaPmkULXIybKvfE1MZEuocpClg

The 70-year-old revealed in an interview with Rolling Stone that the final series had been 'not completely faithful', adding that he was 'a little sad' that there weren't a few more seasons.

He said: "Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. [...] It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing - that leads to a lot of conflict."

He continued: "You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with the story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'. The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."



Well Bronn is a character that has a Q rating high enough to keep him busy 8 seasons... i hate the meaningless scenes with him.

But how can the series run for another 5 seasons(actually he first said he thought they will go for aboubt 13-14 seasons total so this should be accurate) - he has not finished the books and we all see what happens when u dont have the source so u can at least not do such an epic fail of a episode as s08e04.

I heard HBO wanted to give them $ and everything they need to run it to at least 10 seasons. The problem mostly was GRRMs slow writing and the DnD level of retardation in adapting the story. Also i dont see how actors dont want to play in it anymore(this was also stated as a reason) - this is what they will be remembered for, this will be their legacy, i heard Jaime's actor got 1m$ per episode last season i can imagine this is how much other main characters also earn. I mean yeah some actors will have a good future - i really like Emilia Clarke for example, Nikolaj and Lena, Peter might be cool if they let him but in reality it will be like the Friends actors - they will be remembered for that.

So the only legit reason to me is the inability of DnD to construct a reasonable screenwriting without the underlying book. Its a shame really.

What can save this show now is to have 2 of the best episodes in the history of all seasons. Im talking Battle of the Bastards/Hardhome/The Wall battles level combined with drama such the Tyrion trial sequence of episodes.

Unfortunately leaks suggest we are here for an ending that will make casuals and hard core fans regret ever investing their time in this. I am mostly prepared for the worst.

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haha

4.37 is gold

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Daut    United States. May 12 2019 16:29. Posts 8897


  On May 12 2019 13:38 Zografa wrote:
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What can save this show now is to have 2 of the best episodes in the history of all seasons. Im talking Battle of the Bastards.....



I still think about myself critiquing Battle of the Bastards for not giving the giant a tree almost daily and wonder how the show has gotten to where it is now.

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Daut    United States. May 12 2019 16:38. Posts 8897


  On May 12 2019 10:59 Zografa wrote:
This tweet does a good hypothesis on what is going on:



This is insightful -- explains why Book 4 went so off the rails compared to the first 3. Still think it's insane that the showrunners decided to wrap up the final two seasons in 13 episodes when they were given carte blanche by HBO.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 12 2019 22:18. Posts 33087


  On May 11 2019 15:06 Daut wrote:
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I made a comparison to NBA coaching previously -- they do all the subtle things really well, then fuck up the super obvious things that anyone can realize don't make a ton of sense. I don't understand it, but they still do a pretty great job with dialogue, and most of the major plot points are still good (even in season 7, the things that happened were good, they just needed to unfold in a better way).

It's probably a combination of a number of things -- rushing to finish in a smaller number of episodes than they should, writing how they think a show should be written instead of how GoT is told, emphasis on wrapping up character arcs that would end abruptly in reality (think of how Lupus/Tonks/etc died at the end of Harry Potter vs how Jorah+Lyanna Mormont died), falling in love with choreography that looks cool instead of being realistic (Lyanna Mormont killing the giant), etc.

I still enjoy it (mostly because I'm adjusted to the new reality from season 7 and like this season better than the last one so far), but it's a been a gigantic dropoff ever since the opening scene of 7.1 (Arya obliterating House Fray, which was fucking awesome)



I dont watch the NBA and other mainstream sports where blunders appear to be common, I watch the UFC which is full of mistakes but I attritube them to the sport being full of meatheads and I watch Formula 1 where errors are quite rare, in fact they are a good example of how to run things super competently..

I just dont understand is it that writers in those spots are not that good and land those jobs because other reaons than competence?, or is it that HBO exects are also bad at creating quality content and meddle too much? a combination of these and other factors that create this shit?


I dont buy the "we are not perfect" excuse, Carlsen isn't perfect and makes "blunders" in games, but its rare and its one, he doesn't botch up a game and play it worse than an amateur player EVER, neither I would expect to see Jungleman calling off his stack with 72o in the WSOP FT... so Its not clear to me why massive and many blunders happen so often in other industries at the highest levels.

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Daut    United States. May 13 2019 03:27. Posts 8897

....................

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NMcNasty    United States. May 13 2019 03:32. Posts 2013

Guess that qualifies as mad queen.


PuertoRican   United States. May 13 2019 05:47. Posts 11545

It was clear she was going to be the Mad Queen when Tyrion visited her in her room, and her hair was all over the place like she just had rough sex. Her hair is never out of place, yet in that room scene, her hair instantly reminded me of the flashback clip they show of the Mad King.

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impact69   Mexico. May 13 2019 05:52. Posts 307

that was the most stupid fight I have ever seen lol all the sudden having one hand is not big deal at all


RiKD    United States. May 13 2019 05:59. Posts 5729

I have a lot of issues with this episodes but some of the scenes were kind of cool. I don't even really feel like going into it but I wish this show had some better writers and they planned for it to go about another 2 seasons than this shit.


Daut    United States. May 13 2019 06:33. Posts 8897

Not gonna overthink it, all I'll say is the camerawork was incredible, beautifully filmed episode.

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RiKD    United States. May 13 2019 06:35. Posts 5729

This is true


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 13 2019 06:50. Posts 4496

haha, another sword thrust through thick plate+chain mail. Plate armor does nothing here!

Jaimie's character arc is kinda weird: 'i've never cared about the innocent', are the writers trolling us here? I guess you could just pass it off as him caring more about his sister than the innocent. i don't get why they would intentionally add this line in though

On previous episode: virgin shaming of briene, this just seemed like another example of GoT actually being a 21st century drama and not a medieval fantasy to me. It was seen as a good thing to be a virgin before marriage for a lady back then, so to me it doesn't make sense to feel shame over it. Although could be just to make fun of briene's apparent bad looks.

'John has the respect of the north'. Random northen soldier decides to try and kill him during battle-wtf!!. Again, fuedal heirachy not respected at all for some reason. 21st century westeros stuff

This episode reminded me of hiroshima bombing tbh. 'Japan ready to surrender once russia turns on them; lets bomb them anyway!'

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Baalim   Mexico. May 13 2019 07:00. Posts 33087


  On May 13 2019 05:33 Daut wrote:
Not gonna overthink it, all I'll say is the camerawork was incredible, beautifully filmed episode.



I enjoyed it, a big improvement over the previous episodes.

The bad:
Jamie vs Euron was so fucking ridiculous... only Euron swims to the shore, not a single sailore more and exactly at the same time, and we got a cliché fight where one is fatally wounded and the other dies, (nothing wrong with him winning one handed, it wasn't established that Euron was a great fighter).

Dragonfire is very inconsistent, now it collapses towers instantly but Jon snow hid from it behind a small pile of bricks in the battle vs the undead.

Jon killing the rapist is so cliché, bad scene.

The meh

Clegane bowl was too predictable and cheesy, the only thing I liked was the good old oberyn eye poke

Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up

Ballistas were nerfed too.

Its quite obvious where they are gonig with Arya, I hope they didn't just telegraph the plot that hard.

The good:
This is the supposed true power of dragons, I mean a fucking meteor fell from the sky the day they were born, they are magical creatures nearly unkillable by mortals without magic, Aegon conquered the 7 kingdoms with just 3 dragon riders before.

Daenerys descent into madness was predictable but done correctlly I felt through the entire episode like "ok... are you done now? no?,,, ok", people complaining that its out of character are morons, she has been talking about bringing fire and blood since Qart, she let his brother die gruesomly and didn't even flinch etc, she has always been on the crazy monarch side but she had advisors who tempered her impulses... those advisors are now dead or betrayed her, Missandei and Greyworm always wanted brutal revenge, they didn't care about any moral high ground.

Varys death, I would have liked it to be on-screen, but I was good, he was my favorite character just after Tywin.


the really good

The cinematography was perfect, beautiful directing

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Baalim   Mexico. May 13 2019 07:50. Posts 33087


  On May 13 2019 05:50 Stroggoz wrote:
haha, another sword thrust through thick plate+chain mail. Plate armor does nothing here!




well at least they showed the hound swinging and hitting his brother's armor with no effect whatsoever, plus he is like the 2nd strongest man in westeros besides the mountain and if they are both moving foward etc... its semi-plausible

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PplusAD   Germany. May 13 2019 09:05. Posts 7174

Mixed feelings about that episode.


the positive :

It was one hell of a action hollywood movie !
The pictures , the camera work , the sound , the atmosphere of total destruction 10/10


the bad

it felt very little game of thrones
there were only very few moments where i felt like watching GOT
In fact when you watched GOT Season 1-6 like 4-5 times you notice that many of the caracters in this Episode 5 act so completely out of line that it capped my emotional connection towards them.


tbh i dont even care for Episode 6 anymore.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 13 2019 09:29. Posts 33087


  On May 13 2019 04:47 PuertoRican wrote:
It was clear she was going to be the Mad Queen when Tyrion visited her in her room, and her hair was all over the place like she just had rough sex. Her hair is never out of place, yet in that room scene, her hair instantly reminded me of the flashback clip they show of the Mad King.



Yeah they shouldn't have done that... they made it 100% transparent that Daenerys was going to burn them all, for what purpose?

Just leave us with the doubt a little bit more and then burn them all, it would have been better.

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PplusAD   Germany. May 13 2019 15:18. Posts 7174

rewatched it again and still feel like besides being incredible good in terms of camera work and atmosphere i still dont like the Episode .

Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me.

She has killed Eurons Fleet
She has killed the Golden Company
Her army has sucessfully occupied Kings Landing.

complete victory

She stops and takes a deep breath and then after minutes of inner fighting she decides to kill all civilians and burn the whole city to ashes ?

I have no problem with her going into bloodrage mode and killing many civilians as collateral damage.
But i have a big problem with her going specifically after civilians just for the reason of murdering for fun/insanity

Dany has always been cruel and brutal to her enemys to a point where it was clear she is not an "only good" hero.
But she has always been very kind to the little men.

I agree it was very clear from many hints this Episode that she would burn everything to the ground but they have not conviced me that it was authentic character developement.

She had her Khabib 2.0 moment but didnt go after MC Gregors Training partners but started to beat up the innocent number girls instead ......

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 13 2019 15:22. Posts 4496


  On May 13 2019 14:18 PplusAD wrote:
rewatched it again and still feel like besides being incredible good in terms of camera work and atmosphere i still dont like the Episode .

Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me.

She has killed Eurons Fleet
She has killed the Golden Company
Her army has sucessfully occupied Kings Landing.

complete victory

She stops and takes a deep breath and then after minutes of inner fighting she decides to kill all civilians and burn the whole city to ashes ?

I have no problem with her going into bloodrage mode and killing many civilians as collateral damage.
But i have a big problem with her going specifically after civilians just for the reason of murdering for fun/insanity

Dany has always been cruel and brutal to her enemys to a point where it was clear she is not an "only good" hero.
But she has always been very kind to the little men.

I agree it was very clear from many hints this Episode that she would burn everything to the ground but they have not conviced me that it was authentic character developement.

She had her Khabib 2.0 moment but didnt go after MC Gregors Training partners but started to beat up the innocent number girls instead ......



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VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 13 2019 18:59. Posts 4952

Another really stupid episode.

- Aria jumping out of dragonfire in the last 1/100 second just in time
- Aria jumping away from a falling building in the last 1/100 second just in time
Repeat x10

Oh I was so excited the 10th time that happened !
......

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PplusAD   Germany. May 13 2019 19:42. Posts 7174


  On May 13 2019 17:59 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Another really stupid episode.

- Aria jumping out of dragonfire in the last 1/100 second just in time
- Aria jumping away from a falling building in the last 1/100 second just in time
Repeat x10

Oh I was so excited the 10th time that happened !
......




+ Euron comming out of nowhere for a 1v1 spotlight super villian fight that could come straight out of an action movie


+ Jamie got stabbed twice with a 20cm blade fully burried in his flesh one time to the side and one time in the back !
He was so dead and i really hoped they wont make that superhero healing within minutes shit on him
but 10 minutes later he is fine and can talk perfectly normal to Cersei.


+ hundreds of Dothraki back in the army
Now i see why they did send them in vs the NightKing.
Cause it didnt matter.... they would just reappear for no reason out of nowhere

+ Dany deciding to kill innocent civilians for fun instead of flying to the red keep and killing cersei

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impact69   Mexico. May 13 2019 19:54. Posts 307


  On May 13 2019 06:00 Baalim wrote:
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I enjoyed it, a big improvement over the previous episodes.

The bad:
Jamie vs Euron was so fucking ridiculous... only Euron swims to the shore, not a single sailore more and exactly at the same time, and we got a cliché fight where one is fatally wounded and the other dies, (nothing wrong with him winning one handed, it wasn't established that Euron was a great fighter).


The meh

Clegane bowl was too predictable and cheesy, the only thing I liked was the good old oberyn eye poke

Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up

Ballistas were nerfed too.

Its quite obvious where they are gonig with Arya, I hope they didn't just telegraph the plot that hard.

The good:
This is the supposed true power of dragons, I mean a fucking meteor fell from the sky the day they were born, they are magical creatures nearly unkillable by mortals without magic, Aegon conquered the 7 kingdoms with just 3 dragon riders before.

Daenerys descent into madness was predictable but done correctlly I felt through the entire episode like "ok... are you done now? no?,,, ok", people complaining that its out of character are morons, she has been talking about bringing fire and blood since Qart, she let his brother die gruesomly and didn't even flinch etc, she has always been on the crazy monarch side but she had advisors who tempered her impulses... those advisors are now dead or betrayed her, Missandei and Greyworm always wanted brutal revenge, they didn't care about any moral high ground.

Varys death, I would have liked it to be on-screen, but I was good, he was my favorite character just after Tywin.


the really good

The cinematography was perfect, beautiful directing



You mean he is not supposed to be a great warrior on the series? ircc he is legit as fuck in the books, that fucking fight really pissed me off lol

This entire episode didn't feel like GoT to me .. really weird


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 13 2019 22:56. Posts 956

lol the downfall of this show is epic, it will be in the books after a while in a lesson called HOW TO NOT DO IT

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 13 2019 22:58. Posts 8874


  On May 08 2019 20:46 Spitfiree wrote:
I don't know man I feel like Daenerys is just gonna burn everyone in her path until King's Landing is in ashes now. No other plausible reason to kill Missandei



Zzzz


  On May 13 2019 04:47 PuertoRican wrote:
her hair was all over the place like she just had rough sex



Thats cause Missandei was doing her hair...


This episode felt like a filler even though I was glad they decided to go with the "burn them all" option. The only way this could get better if Danaerys kills Jon in the last episode now and that's how the show ends, that would redeem the last few seasons for me. Anyway regarding the episode:

1. What the fuck was that fighting between Euron and Jaime ??? Completely useless and pointless and so out of plot
2. What the fuck was the entire purpose of Arya in this episode apart from the ending scene with the white horse??
3. What the fuck was the point of Cersei in this episode???
4. Did they really just film it in a way where Daenerys flies on a dragon between dozens of ballistas and demolishes everyone? Really? After her fucking dragon died like that previous episode? After she ran away, instead of burning Euron's entire fleet while fully controlled by rage? They didn't even try to put her in danger, so disappointing. I mean, thats how her dragon should've been the entire time, the other dragon dying was just fucking retarded. I'm guessing they kill a dragon off with the horn in the books, but since they got no equivalent in the series, they had to use something mega retarded.
5. What the fuck was Jaime doing? This was the most retarded Hollywood shit ever. Please D&D go suck yourselves off.



  Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up


They can still go with the "MIA" plot since we didn't actually see them die...


  On May 13 2019 17:59 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Another really stupid episode.

- Aria jumping out of dragonfire in the last 1/100 second just in time
- Aria jumping away from a falling building in the last 1/100 second just in time
Repeat x10

Oh I was so excited the 10th time that happened !
......



Lmao spot on. That was actually so bad I started watching youtube on the other monitor while those scenes passed.


  On May 13 2019 14:18 PplusAD wrote:
Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me.



Really? This is the only thing that makes sense in the entire season.You must've missed a lot. Even before Episode 4 (death of Missandei) I was discussing with friends IRL that they are somewhat hinting at Daenerys going mad and burning everyone to the ground. Plus it would make a good plot for a lot of obvious reasons, and fantasy writers just love the cycle effects, plus the show writers are not very bright or imaginative, thus the cycle repeating plot would make perfect sense due to being fairly "unique" and "original" for the average viewer and non-fantasy-reader

She lost her only friend. The bond she had with Missandei goes beyond the bond with anyone else she ever had incl. Drogo and Jon.
She lost one of her dragons.
Nobody loves her (e.g. if Jon had fucked his aunt this wouldn't have happened)
A lot of people despise her
A lot of people just don't trust her
Plus all of the pain she s suffering.

She is not killing anyone for fun. She is killing them for revenge and making a statement that she will not be pushed around anymore by anyone as she is willing to go as far as burning down the biggest city on the continent to the ground with its citizens with it, cause they didn't obey her.

So if they won't respect her, they will at least shiver by the thought of her. Easy mental warfare won.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 13 2019 23:14. Posts 956

To me the real question is what will be different in GRRMs books... i get it we will see more justification and background on the heroes actions but if it finishes like this i wasted my time reading - same as i wasted my time watching.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 13 2019 23:26. Posts 8874

Well for one I doubt it will be any of those 3 filmed endings they got, unless he wants his legacy completely destroyed


Baalim   Mexico. May 14 2019 01:43. Posts 33087


  On May 13 2019 18:54 impact69 wrote:
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You mean he is not supposed to be a great warrior on the series? ircc he is legit as fuck in the books, that fucking fight really pissed me off lol

This entire episode didn't feel like GoT to me .. really weird




Series Euron and book Euron is a very different character, his fighting skills are at no point established in the series.

book Euron is extremely dangerous and cruel and powerful, but specifically his fighting skills aren't stablished either, he is more of a commander than a soldier.

The Telltales GoT game depics Euron in his journeys through Essos, he fights there a bit but it isnt very long, it doesnt include Valyria or anything like that, actually it is more TV show Euron than book Euron.

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. May 14 2019 05:05. Posts 4952

Did anyone notice the wildfire burning thou ? So i guess the plan was to burn them with wildfire if Daenerys choose differently. That was what i liked the most about the episode

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Daut    United States. May 14 2019 06:09. Posts 8897


  On May 14 2019 04:05 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Did anyone notice the wildfire burning thou ? So i guess the plan was to burn them with wildfire if Daenerys choose differently. That was what i liked the most about the episode



Before the episode I thought Cersei might use it as she escaped the castle in a lost cause, but given the small amounts spread around I don't think Cersei planted them. More likely they were remnants from Dany's father's stashes.

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impact69   Mexico. May 14 2019 06:38. Posts 307


  On May 14 2019 05:09 Daut wrote:
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Before the episode I thought Cersei might use it as she escaped the castle in a lost cause, but given the small amounts spread around I don't think Cersei planted them. More likely they were remnants from Dany's father's stashes.



yes, that was it



balakubak   . May 14 2019 07:33. Posts 102


  On May 13 2019 14:22 Stroggoz wrote:
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The Red Keep was not the target anymore. The city was.


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 14 2019 09:00. Posts 956

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/

Seriously fuck off this is not going to be finished...

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 14 2019 09:55. Posts 956

Also FFS another screenwriting fart by DnD or we are actually going to see something happening:



"I've never known bells to mean surrender." - Ser Davos


P.s - Also when this scene is actually giving you better feeling than the whole season 8.

DRUMS!

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PplusAD   Germany. May 14 2019 10:16. Posts 7174

Well i always though Dany was kinda insane.

But in a way many people are in RL.
A way were you paint the people you meet into a simple black,white,grey scheme.

grey are people she hasnt met in person or that she has not known for a long time.
after she meets someone in person and has got to known them for a fair amount she decides to put them either in a white (all good) or black (all bad) scheme. (grey doesnt exist any longer after that point)

The white to black can change within just a few moments due to actions done.

The insanity is that she is way exaggerating the "black".


There are quite some people in RL who are that way.
The dont accept different opinions from friends.
They need a clear friend or enemy classification

"You are either with me , then i call you brother or you are against me then i will fight you till only one of us is left."

This is an insane mentality since in reality its completely normal to have different opinions about topics but still be friendly towards you


This is the kind of insanity that i saw in Dany getting stronger every season.

So i would not be surprised that if after her victory she decided to sentence Jon Snow to die for treason.
That would be in her character line.
She always has been overly cruel to her enemies and this part of her got stronger and stronger every season


But slaughtering innocent civilians just for the fun of murdering is not !
If she did fly to the Red Keep and kill Cersei while some civilians died as collateral damage from the falling stone bricks i would have liked it

my 2 cents.

you are free to have a different opinion

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 14 2019 10:26. Posts 4496

too bad the golden company put their men on the outside of the wall instead of the inside and on top, vs an army with no siege weapons or ladders and 1 dragon. I'm sure elephants that were virtually never used in middle ages woulda helped tho.

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dnagardi   Hungary. May 14 2019 18:09. Posts 1638

i didnt have expectations anymore so I just enjoyed the episode, this is the way from now on

this is my guess for the finale: jon sets up a rebellion against dany with tyrion, they kill the dragon but they cannot kill Dany, the unsullied and some other allies get them, execute them. Then we are left where we started, several big rulers around realm against each other. The cycle restarts


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 14 2019 19:23. Posts 956


  On May 14 2019 17:09 dnagardi wrote:
i didnt have expectations anymore so I just enjoyed the episode, this is the way from now on

this is my guess for the finale: jon sets up a rebellion against dany with tyrion, they kill the dragon but they cannot kill Dany, the unsullied and some other allies get them, execute them. Then we are left where we started, several big rulers around realm against each other. The cycle restarts



let me ruin it for ya:
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Baalim   Mexico. May 15 2019 05:04. Posts 33087

I just saw a dragon-size comparison vid and apparently Drogon is supposed to be about twice or thrice the size of Raegal... (It didnt look like that to me in the scenes they were together), so perhaps that could explain the power difference a bit.


Also fwiw, Balerion (Aegon's dragon) was like 10 times bigger than Drogon... no wonder he conquered the 7 kingdoms with ease

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Daut    United States. May 15 2019 20:32. Posts 8897


  On May 15 2019 04:04 Baalim wrote:
I just saw a dragon-size comparison vid and apparently Drogon is supposed to be about twice or thrice the size of Raegal... (It didnt look like that to me in the scenes they were together), so perhaps that could explain the power difference a bit.


Also fwiw, Balerion (Aegon's dragon) was like 10 times bigger than Drogon... no wonder he conquered the 7 kingdoms with ease



This makes sense in some contexts, but not others. Yes, Balerion was massive, which was especially helpful in dragon vs dragon fights vs dissenting relatives. Likewise, his great size would give Drogon the ability to spew seemingly endless fire when destroying King's Landing.

But when evading arrows from scorpions ringing the city and Blackwater Bay, size is a potential detriment. I didn't mind the super improbable ambush on Rhaegal before, but it seems pretty silly in juxtaposition with Drogon juking out 100 scorpions an episode later, especially when considering he's a larger target.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 15 2019 21:45. Posts 33087

v.v

They could have used some mist or something to hide the ships and make then all fire at the dragons so of 20 bolts a couple hits Raegan and the whole scene wouldn't be that stupid, but the worst thing is that Daenerys and Drogon retreated from the ballista fire and let their fleet sink... only to later use her lone dragon to sink the Iron fleet when nothing really changed, besides what.. the sun blinding them a bit?

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 15 2019 23:32. Posts 8874

yall remember how Jon hid behind a wall from the dragon's breath 2 episodes ago? :D Guess Brann the Builder designs rocked compared to King's Landing

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PplusAD   Germany. May 15 2019 23:40. Posts 7174

There could have been many ideas to not make that Ballista Dragon scene so bad....
I stll think there was no way to make it really good...
but definitely less bad


Rhaegal was hurt from the fight vs Viserion whocould have bit a good junk of the dragon scale so why not fire 30 bolts at him of which none hurt him but one who hits the fleshwound from the Viserion fight ?
I mean it would still be pretty meh but 10 times better than what they did....


What basically happend is that D&D wanted to make the audience believe that there is an equal fight comming so they had to kill a dragon.
Problem is there is no way to kill dragon except with magic or maybe when the dragon is very badly hurt anyways.

Since they left out Eurons Dragon Horn which possibly could kill a dragon but also kills its user there was no really satisfying way to kill the dragon.
So they decided to give a shit and just get over it fast.

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Daut    United States. May 16 2019 00:01. Posts 8897


  On May 15 2019 22:32 Spitfiree wrote:
yall remember how Jon hid behind a wall from the dragon's breath 2 episodes ago? :D Guess Brann the Builder designs rocked compared to King's Landing



Still have no clue what the revived dragon was shooting. Ice doesn't make sense, it wouldn't knock down a portion of the wall. Lightning wouldn't make sense, would have electrocuted the fuck out of Jon given he was surrounded by stone which probably had some conductivity. Magic would make sense as it would possibly destroy a wall built using magic but not 10 feet of stone protecting Jon, but still hard to imagine cutting through something that stood for thousands of years but not harming Jon.

Better explanation is the writers just doing whatever the fuck they want and lol'ing at us.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 16 2019 02:01. Posts 4496

there is no real need to use dragons, simply use trebechets in a drawn out seige, presumably they outrange these ballista. No one can ride out to lift the seige because they would be facing dothraki+dragon in an open field.

Either that or drogon can pick up rocks and drop them on the red keep from a mile above it (out of ballista range).

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PplusAD   Germany. May 16 2019 11:17. Posts 7174


  On May 16 2019 01:01 Stroggoz wrote:
there is no real need to use dragons, simply use trebechets in a drawn out seige, presumably they outrange these ballista. No one can ride out to lift the seige because they would be facing dothraki+dragon in an open field.

Either that or drogon can pick up rocks and drop them on the red keep from a mile above it (out of ballista range).




Or simply use the dragon to destroy the fleet then fly to red keep and kill cersei ?
end of story gg
victory

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 16 2019 12:50. Posts 956

For those of you that know the books well here is something INSANELY GOOD:

The valonqar prophecy has unfolded:

Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.[1]

—Maggy in the dream of Cersei Lannister

This question and answer only context is the children of Cersei, nothing lelse. So Valonqar was in the terms of Joffrey, Mirtsela and Thomen. Cersei's unborn child is a valonqar to them. Cersei being pregnant means she knew the death is coming.

OMG GRRM this is so beautiful i was stunned when i realized it.

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JohnnyBologna   United States. May 16 2019 13:03. Posts 1398

-So Jamie rides into the enemy side to help fight the walkers then goes back to cersei afterwards? just a waste of time. he didnt do shit vs the walkers.
-The hound wants revenge vs the mountain and decides to take him on 1v1 with no plan other than to sacrifice himself at the very least. All this time to develop his character over 8 seasons as a somewhat educated person, he just goes psychopath/brute mode at the end with the rest of the show. and lol as cersei just walks right past by him.
-Danerys just does a 180 after the bells ring and decides to plot twist us all by becoming the most evil out of everyone aftering preaching about saving the innocent all this time. I guess her ego and pride/reputation is more important? god i hate people.
-And then the bald dude getting executed just like that out of no where. what a dumb way to die. so much life lost over meaningless stuff. I guess tywin just wanted that guy to die? so he just rats one of his friends out like that because... its his duty to the queen? and then does shit that can get him executed with his brother just like that.. haha
- the battle at the end with jamie and euron... Jamie: i gotta go save the queen! euron: no you dont bitch. Everything is going to shit right now, so lets fight to the death even i barely just met you and lets make it epic! dies smiling at end. woot another crazy guy.

i hate when people die for a stupid reason or just out of no where or when people die for acts of dumbness. WARRRRRR so barbaric. DIE DIE DIE. I have power, i end you!! muahahahah!

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CamilaPunt   Brasil. May 16 2019 13:11. Posts 2354

the combo of whining/genius writers here is amazing!


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 16 2019 13:35. Posts 956

Bran - 3 eyed raven has orchestrated everything.

We will get details on the "meaningless" plots in the last episode i hope.

If not fuck you DnD

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Daut    United States. May 16 2019 19:14. Posts 8897


  On May 16 2019 12:03 JohnnyBologna wrote:

-And then the bald dude getting executed just like that out of no where. what a dumb way to die. so much life lost over meaningless stuff. I guess tywin just wanted that guy to die? so he just rats one of his friends out like that because... its his duty to the queen? and then does shit that can get him executed with his brother just like that.. haha



It seemed like Tyrion was prepared to tell her something different when he walked in, but her saying "someone has betrayed me" threw him off guard and he had no time to prepare another response. My guess is that were he given time, he would have told Varys to run and then told Dany, but maybe he intended on snitching all along. Either way, he certainly felt very guilty about having his second best friend and one of the two people who helped him escape after the purple wedding killed, so aiding Jamie's escape was a logical followup.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 16 2019 19:36. Posts 8874

Varys getting executed was one of the few things that made perfect sense and was well written imo, unfortunately it wasn't as impactful as I would've wanted it to be, but thats not surprising considering Varys has become a 4th-hand character in the show, even thought he s one of the most interesting characters


Baalim   Mexico. May 17 2019 00:12. Posts 33087


  On May 16 2019 18:36 Spitfiree wrote:
Varys getting executed was one of the few things that made perfect sense and was well written imo, unfortunately it wasn't as impactful as I would've wanted it to be, but thats not surprising considering Varys has become a 4th-hand character in the show, even thought he s one of the most interesting characters



agreed, Varys death is one of the few good things in these episodes, I would have liked it to be a tiny bit more visual, I dont know why they keep doing these offscreen deaths, it doesnt have to be gory, like Ned Starsk execution you see the sword going through his head for a second.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 17 2019 00:23. Posts 956


  On May 16 2019 23:12 Baalim wrote:
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agreed, Varys death is one of the few good things in these episodes, I would have liked it to be a tiny bit more visual, I dont know why they keep doing these offscreen deaths, it doesnt have to be gory, like Ned Starsk execution you see the sword going through his head for a second.


ahhm if you are talking about the scene i agree it was good but... Varys is a master of whispers, served 6 kings aaaaaaaand he did not see this coming ? sounds a lot like the way they spend littlefinger... as a complete newbie in the game.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 17 2019 01:05. Posts 33087


  On May 16 2019 23:23 Zografa wrote:
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ahhm if you are talking about the scene i agree it was good but... Varys is a master of whispers, served 6 kings aaaaaaaand he did not see this coming ? sounds a lot like the way they spend littlefinger... as a complete newbie in the game.



Strongly disagree, Varys did see it coming, he talked with the kitchen girl about it being high risk, he took off his rings when he heard the steps coming to his room, so he knew it was a big risk.

You are confusing Varys with Pycelle, Pycelle acts like a decrepit old man much weaker than he really is only to survive, (if you dont know what Im talking about watch the deleted scenes, or pay attention when he has a hooker in his room), Varys on the other hand truly wants the good of the real and takes calculated risks, he tried to help Ned Stark, and he took a massive risk by freeing Tyrion and had to flee the city where he worked so long to grow his influence.

So Varys isn't a coward like Pycelle nor a cynic like Baelish.

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Daut    United States. May 17 2019 01:22. Posts 8897


  On May 17 2019 00:05 Baalim wrote:
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Strongly disagree, Varys did see it coming, he talked with the kitchen girl about it being high risk, he took off his rings when he heard the steps coming to his room, so he knew it was a big risk.

You are confusing Varys with Pycelle, Pycelle acts like a decrepit old man much weaker than he really is only to survive, (if you dont know what Im talking about watch the deleted scenes, or pay attention when he has a hooker in his room), Varys on the other hand truly wants the good of the real and takes calculated risks, he tried to help Ned Stark, and he took a massive risk by freeing Tyrion and had to flee the city where he worked so long to grow his influence.

So Varys isn't a coward like Pycelle nor a cynic like Baelish.



Varys also likely knew it would end in his death, given Melisandre told him he would die in Westeros before she left Dragonstone in season 7.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 17 2019 02:28. Posts 956


  On May 17 2019 00:05 Baalim wrote:
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Strongly disagree, Varys did see it coming, he talked with the kitchen girl about it being high risk, he took off his rings when he heard the steps coming to his room, so he knew it was a big risk.

You are confusing Varys with Pycelle, Pycelle acts like a decrepit old man much weaker than he really is only to survive, (if you dont know what Im talking about watch the deleted scenes, or pay attention when he has a hooker in his room), Varys on the other hand truly wants the good of the real and takes calculated risks, he tried to help Ned Stark, and he took a massive risk by freeing Tyrion and had to flee the city where he worked so long to grow his influence.

So Varys isn't a coward like Pycelle nor a cynic like Baelish.



Varys was wasted, it was bad writing - he did confront Jon openly about his claim on the throne lol... on the beach with people around and Tyrion watching. Master of Whispers u say...

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Baalim   Mexico. May 17 2019 02:39. Posts 33087

true... a a good'ol "walk with me" garden of the redkeep scene would have been better than speaking right next to the sailors, not that its super important.

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dnagardi   Hungary. May 18 2019 22:19. Posts 1638

I just rewatched S01E01. My god was there a difference


PuertoRican   United States. May 20 2019 03:34. Posts 11545

Episode 8 was okay. I didn't expect much since there were no more battles left to fight.

The only thing I wanted to see is Bran warg into the dragon like he alluded to while in the council meeting, that way we could see where he went.

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NMcNasty    United States. May 20 2019 04:05. Posts 2013

Have some nitpicks though I don’t wish to share at this time since the ending was overall pretty decent. Daenerys actually makes an excellent villain, just wish there was more time to let that plot line sink in.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 20 2019 05:02. Posts 4496

Thought it was a good ending, and similar to one i had been expecting for some time. reading all the 1/10 reviews on imdb...some of these fans are sick in the head, so dam emotionally invested, the writers don't owe them anything and no one should have expected good writing once the book material ran out. Imo the best possible choice for king was the person who got it. Remember 'love is the death of duty', bran has become someone that can see above personal desire's, he is one man in ten thousand, as aemon would have said, and has a broad perspective on the world that may be suitible for global justice, under the constraints of injustice that is produced from dictatorship. It looks like they actually gave up monarchy as a system; and decided on a sort of aristocratic oligarchy instead, which is an improvement. The epilogue could have had a seriously bigger amount of detail-lots of things unanswered, but wasn't expecting that since everything has been rushed the last two seasons, (and no new charachters were even invented).

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 20 2019 05:08. Posts 4496


  On May 20 2019 02:34 PuertoRican wrote:
Episode 8 was okay. I didn't expect much since there were no more battles left to fight.

The only thing I wanted to see is Bran warg into the dragon like he alluded to while in the council meeting, that way we could see where he went.



I thought he meant he was going to find it with ravens, as he has been using them to map hack the last two seasons.

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PuertoRican   United States. May 20 2019 05:48. Posts 11545


  On May 20 2019 04:08 Stroggoz wrote:
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I thought he meant he was going to find it with ravens, as he has been using them to map hack the last two seasons.

That would've been fine. I just felt like they could've shown the dragon somehow, whether it was with ravens or some other living creature.

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Daut    United States. May 20 2019 07:40. Posts 8897

Only big nitpick I have is the likelihood Jon survives, I think Greyworm and the Unsullied just instantly waste him after they find out what he did to Dany. I think the rest of it is a reasonable conclusion to the story, and probably what GRRM had in mind to wrap it up.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 20 2019 09:37. Posts 8874

Ep 5 and 6 are decent, but then again my expectations were as low as they can get. A decent ending, definitely quite lower than the standards the show has previously set. Arya going West of Westeros doesn't make much sense whatsoever for a lot of reasons but w/e. I really liked the Jon Snow ending, it was very subtle but point on, considering how they developed his character in the last episode.

I gotta say the acting of Emilia Clarke has improved tremendously. She was the worst actor on the show in the previous seasons imo, but is probably the best now.... considering she had two brain aneurysms that is just insane. Hope she gets an Emmy.

Easily can rate cinematography, music, acting etc etc etc. 10/10 and writing 4/10 for the entire season. Ramin Djawadi has kept many scenes alive through his music, which otherwise would be dull as fuck.


PplusAD   Germany. May 20 2019 11:05. Posts 7174

I am very positivly surprised !

This was by far the best Episode in Season 8
The only thing i have to complain is the unsullied not instantly killing Jon !

Besides that this Episode made a ton of sense.

1.) Danys actions of Episode 5 made a lot more sense in retroperspective now that we have seen the first 20 minutes of Epsiode 6
The only People who truly loved her were the Unsullied and the Dothraki.
Both born to fight and kill.
Fighting and Killing is what they love and what makes them feel alive.

So the complete annihilation of Kings Landing was a gift to the people who truly love her.
you could clearly see that Unsullied and Dothraki loved the way it felt like complete victory.

So Dany dindt snap into insanity but rather made a choice to go with the loyal people and shit on the rest.

2.) Overall Jons Ending was quite good. The story Arc over all the Seasons came to quite a nice end. He had hell of a journey and made it to becoming King of the North but lost everything in the end and got back to where he started.
The overall story of Jon Snow is brilliant imo


3.) Omg the pictures , camera work and graphics ! 11/10 stunningly epic and impressive

4.) Bran becoming King is a choice that at first seems completely stupid but then after some rethinking makes a ton of sense.
basically bran is the king but will do nothing and therefore the true rulers of the 6+1 Kingdoms are his council and the lords of the 7 kingdoms
Its the start of something that will go more into the direction of democracy.
A king that only has a representative title but does not use his power .
pretty cool idea afterall.
Tyrion suggested this not because he wanted bran to become king but he wanted the best choice for freedom.
And a King that will not rule himself is the best choice.

5.) Arya going West is also pretty cool since it fits her character
She is not interested in a normal life and will always be an adventurer


So all in all for me this Episode was by far the best of the season and i only have this very minor nitpick with Jon not being insta killed by the unsullied.
Besides that -> 9/10 Episode

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 20 2019 12:50. Posts 4496


  On May 20 2019 08:37 Spitfiree wrote:
Ep 5 and 6 are decent, but then again my expectations were as low as they can get. A decent ending, definitely quite lower than the standards the show has previously set. Arya going West of Westeros doesn't make much sense whatsoever for a lot of reasons but w/e. I really liked the Jon Snow ending, it was very subtle but point on, considering how they developed his character in the last episode.

I gotta say the acting of Emilia Clarke has improved tremendously. She was the worst actor on the show in the previous seasons imo, but is probably the best now.... considering she had two brain aneurysms that is just insane. Hope she gets an Emmy.

Easily can rate cinematography, music, acting etc etc etc. 10/10 and writing 4/10 for the entire season. Ramin Djawadi has kept many scenes alive through his music, which otherwise would be dull as fuck.



Why didn't arya sailing west make sense? Seems to me she could do a lot of things in the end, no point in remaining a serial killer after all her enemies are gone. Her sailing west signal'd a possible move towards a renaissance type era; this was exactly the kind of ending i was hoping for tbh. Anything else would have made the series completely pointless to me.

my only gripe with the episode was that the north got to be independent while..the others didn't. Was expecting all kingdoms to become independent in the end. There was no objection to this.

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Expiate   Bulgaria. May 20 2019 15:02. Posts 230

The a la Royo setting was epic - cinematographically the best scene in the entire series.

Overall pretty good season and ending. Symbolism was on high level too. Some details could have been altered, but they messed up a lot of things in the previous season and had to build from there. More episodes could have included Littlefinger in the plot and expanded the Varys importance, but I am happy with what we GoT.

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PplusAD   Germany. May 20 2019 15:17. Posts 7174


  On May 20 2019 14:02 Expiate wrote:
The a la Royo setting was epic - cinematographically the best scene in the entire series.

Overall pretty good season and ending. ..........



really ?


I felt like overall it was pretty dissapointing.

I liked Episode 1
I thought episode 2 was a waste of time
Episode 3 had some pretty good and some incredibly dumb moments so i have mixed feelings
Episode 4 had some good momnets and some dumb moments so mixed feelings
Episode 5 was bullshit
Episode 6 was good....

So overall id give a 6.5/10 maybe 7/10 since the incredible visuals saved some of it.

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Loco   Canada. May 20 2019 18:10. Posts 20012

I don't see what other ending could make sense for Arya. She was already talking about exploring "west of Westeros" in season 6. She has become a solitary person and would not be adapted to any other kind of life. It's pretty clear that she did love Gendry but that this type of life would be suffocating for her. It's also clear that she basically woke up from a bad dream in her final conversation with the Hound: being a killer for hire wouldn't be a desirable path forward. Someone who has had the kind of peak experiences that she has had could never feel fulfilled without going on extraordinary journeys and she arguably picked the most extraordinary of them all.

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dnagardi   Hungary. May 20 2019 19:29. Posts 1638

I'm satisfied overall. It was a nice saga with ups and downs, better earlier seasons but there is really no point of complaining anymore.
There was a really nice arc for most of the characters.

And hopefully GRRM will finish the books in the next few years now that the pressure is lighter


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 20 2019 22:12. Posts 4496

Meh, i thought the symbolism was too overstated. The dragon wings-high camera angles leading up steps. Also cersei's darth vader costume for the last 2 seasons; far too overstated. I read a news article about fans complaining that cersei was 'humanized' last episode. Quite funny, considering she is a human being. These fans share a similar mentality to dany in that they like to paint their enemies as monsters. The music was fantastic this season though, i really liked it.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 21 2019 00:17. Posts 33087


  On May 20 2019 06:40 Daut wrote:
Only big nitpick I have is the likelihood Jon survives, I think Greyworm and the Unsullied just instantly waste him after they find out what he did to Dany. I think the rest of it is a reasonable conclusion to the story, and probably what GRRM had in mind to wrap it up.



This, Grey Worm has always been quite blood thirsty even before missandei, he would have killed Jon.

I think it would have been a perfect ending if Drogon kills Jon, it would have been shocking and it wouldn't leave that hole about the unsullied not killing Jon.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 21 2019 06:59. Posts 8874

I mean I'm pretty sure Euron and others have already tried going "west of Westeros"

Also, pretty sure dragons do not kill Targaryens so Jon was pretty safe there.

Those are all nitpicking though, in reality nobody would've known Daenerys is really dead since Drogon just took her, Jon could've just gone out of the city. Or Greyworm could've noticed and captured him right after the throne scene, but kept him as a prisoner cause he'd see the sacrifice he's made, thus relating to him in a way and sparing him. Or 10 other realistic ways this could've gone. I would've preferred Jon dead and the wheel reset with a bigger tyrant than before, one that truly believes in her madness and don't think books have anything close to the happy ending we had in the show(that is if he ever finishes them), but we'll see.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 21 2019 08:42. Posts 33087


  On May 21 2019 05:59 Spitfiree wrote:

Also, pretty sure dragons do not kill Targaryens so Jon was pretty safe there.



Dragons killed Targeryans (and other dragons) in the Dance of the dragons

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Expiate   Bulgaria. May 21 2019 11:17. Posts 230

I am not familiar with books, but if dragons are not smart enough Jon should always die there (his look also told he expected to die). Burning the throne however shows this particular dragon as extremely smart, understanding Daenerys' (and also his) mistake of burning the already conquered city and Jon's actions completely. We saw that the dragon has an emotional link with Daenerys and he could have felt that she regrets her actions too thus justifying Jon. This could have been illustrated better with more proper direction.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 21 2019 21:13. Posts 8874


  On May 21 2019 07:42 Baalim wrote:
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Dragons killed Targeryans (and other dragons) in the Dance of the dragons


Right, I kinda forgot about that


gawdawaful   Canada. May 22 2019 07:50. Posts 8836

I think series cant end if unsullied wastes Jon because Sansa and Arya wont allow it too

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 22 2019 08:27. Posts 8874

That's the shitty part about the ending. Series like GoT do not end with a closer, they end with an open end... you can circle back to any great series like Madmen, The Sopranos etc. ... there s way too many things and people involved to have closure, this is not the story of Breaking Bad where you can give the viewers a well-rounded finale with a lot of messages or at least it shouldn't be


Zografa   Bulgaria. May 22 2019 12:10. Posts 956

lol what a shit story, full of blatant plot wholes and inconsistencies episode 3 to 6 got more of it than the rest of the show
im not even going to start to argue but this goes down in history as the biggest failed finale of a show, this beats even dexter and lost in terms of quality degradation
there is only one episode this season that had anything to do with what GoT was in earlier seasons and it was episode 2

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PplusAD   Germany. May 23 2019 12:08. Posts 7174

I strongly disagree !

Dexter was worse !
The last Season of Dexter was so insanely bad that i couldnt even watch it till the end since the pain hurt watching that bs was too much to handle for me

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 23 2019 13:24. Posts 956

I think dexter was never so big and good as GoT, so in terms of degradation percentage, to me GoT achieved bigger swing for sure.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 24 2019 06:10. Posts 33087


  On May 23 2019 11:08 PplusAD wrote:
I strongly disagree !

Dexter was worse !
The last Season of Dexter was so insanely bad that i couldnt even watch it till the end since the pain hurt watching that bs was too much to handle for me



yeah Dexter was mediocre, nothing remotely close to the Quality of GoT regardless of any ending or final season.

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Daut    United States. May 24 2019 17:03. Posts 8897

Lost final season was possibly a bigger dropoff. Hard to say because GoT broke the wheel on show ratings from seasons 1-4 (was probably more like a 12/10), but Lost seasons 1-5 was probably a 9.0 level show and the final season was a 3.0.

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Zografa   Bulgaria. May 25 2019 19:26. Posts 956


  On May 24 2019 05:10 Baalim wrote:
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yeah Dexter was mediocre, nothing remotely close to the Quality of GoT regardless of any ending or final season.


well ironically Dexter and GoT had similar ends... after all Jon went north to become a lumberjack... same as Dexter no?

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longple    Sweden. Jun 14 2019 11:51. Posts 4470



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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 15 2019 02:16. Posts 33087


  On May 24 2019 16:03 Daut wrote:
Lost final season was possibly a bigger dropoff. Hard to say because GoT broke the wheel on show ratings from seasons 1-4 (was probably more like a 12/10), but Lost seasons 1-5 was probably a 9.0 level show and the final season was a 3.0.



I have to disagree, LOST was so dependant on the mysteries so it got progressively worse as these weren't explained most of the time, they writers were just winging it and , a 9 is a Sopranos lvl of show, lost is a 7 at best.

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kyd   . Jun 20 2019 12:22. Posts 288

Lost season 1 was amazing then it went downhill pretty fast and finale was terrible.
Same with Prison Break, s1 amazing, then it went to very bad too.


FrinkX   United States. Jun 21 2019 14:48. Posts 7493


  On June 20 2019 11:22 kyd wrote:
Lost season 1 was amazing then it went downhill pretty fast and finale was terrible.
Same with Prison Break, s1 amazing, then it went to very bad too.



they successfully broke out of the prison in season 1 of course it was going to fail ROFL

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