ASL Season 5 - Page 10

On May 02 2018 04:55 Daut wrote: Something I didn't think of earlier...why did Flash take his 4th base at 9:00 instead of 6:00 on Gladiator? The 9:00 ramp is further away from his choke, and against someone who loves shuttle play you want less travel distance. I'm just really perplexed by that game, it was very un-Flash like. Game 1 was tough. I like Flash's build, and like the idea of attacking the ledge vs an early expansion in general, but it's really tough to survive with 1 factory against snow who you know is going reavers. Game 2 was amazing. Flash overcomes Snow finding him right away with the fastest DT drop possible and then executes a perfect containment with wraiths. You guys think there were any options with Snow throwing up a stargate for some sairs? Or terrible idea because valks wreck sairs? Game 3 was really fun, but I still don't get how Flash played that poorly (like a 2300 ELO instead of a 2500) from the 8 minute mark on. Game 4 was cool for a short game. Agree with baal, the bluff catch was the coolest thing I can recall in a BW game. Especially to think it was on a map you're an underdog on when down 1-2, what a fucking genius this guy is. Game 5 was a very cool build by Snow. The early zealot pressure and the 2 gate before robo really threw Flash off, and it was tough to overcome the early disadvantage, but he made a game out of it. Just a very hard map for Terran to play from behind with carriers looming. Really fun series. I usually always root for the protoss player, but it would have been nice to have a PvZ and PvT in the semis rather than 3 protoss players. At least mini vs snow will be more fun than rain vs shuttle.

cloaked wraiths would be a problem for sairs too because he wouldn't be able to make enough sairs to quickly kill the wraiths before the wraiths can snipe the observers. Snow had to put most of his economy into ground units and shuttles.

How much of a statement would it be if Hero wins this tournament going through 2 Protosses to win it? ELO adjusted winrate for ZvP on Sparkle is 31.6% and on Third World it's 35.3%. Gladiator is 56.3% in favor of Zerg and Transistor 53.1% in favor of Zerg. 2 of the maps seem to be massively imbalanced against Zerg in the ZvP matchup and it seems the trend has been that Third World gets played twice if it goes to 5 games? (still not entirely sure how maps work). As much as people were saying it would be incredible if Flash won at the start of the season it seems like the true feat will be if Hero can pull this off.

third world being played twice in the previous 3 rounds was random I think. like no players vetoed it (zergs vetoed sparkle, flash vetoed transistor, protosses vetoed gladiator), and then I think it was just a coinflip going third world's way three times in a row.

Rain vs hero I expect hero to veto sparkle and rain to veto transistor (gladiator is his kind of map) and that it's a 50/50 whether we get third world or gladiator twice.

Realistically can't they just pick 7 maps for the tournament and have 1 player veto 1 so 5 are left..... ? It feels quite dumb to have to re-play the same map especially considering that there is literally 0 chance of balancing a map in an RTS

Honestly I think that sounds like a smart solution. especially when 2/4 maps are clearly imbalanced in one matchup, there ends up being a 50/50 shot of one of those maps being repeated.

Translated Q&A Flash did on stream after his loss

https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/com...runk_ama_session_translation_for_asl/

I do agree I won too much, and it's a good thing to have new faces and more viewership.

Cmon ... has to be joking. "Sorry for being so much better than everyone and np that you fucked me with the maps - it's all good"

Plus has the viewership really gone up ? Most sports are dominated by a single team/individual and it's not like people stop watching them

the viewership was the highest in a long time during snow vs flash cause people thought there was a good chance flash would lose. Was like 110k watching korean stream and restream. And it was going down last season because there was less excitement cause Flash winning seemed like a given.

You might think he sounds disingenuous about being okay with losing - but he's right in the assessment that Flash losing is good for excitement and viewership numbers. And it's not good for a sport if one person or team looks untouchable many seasons in a row.

It's on

let's go Hero!! No PvP finals! Transistor will be played twice if it goes to game 5

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ASL today but PVP zzzzzz

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Haven't watched yet, but last night I had a vivid dream about the match. I had a dream within my dream that Mini won 3-0, so after I woke up I placed a large wager on Mini, and then when they played Mini won 3-0 with all 3 games lasting under 8 minutes. Between Snow's horrid play and my bet, there were accusations of match fixing and Snow went to prison.

Funny cause I wasn't really even looking forward to the rest of the starleague.

PVP is the most cancerous finals matchup. I no longer mind watching TvT (with flash) or ZvZ (with either JD, Effort, Soulkey, Larva)

On May 10 2018 16:06 whammbot wrote: PVP is the most cancerous finals matchup. I no longer mind watching TvT (with flash) or ZvZ (with either JD, Effort, Soulkey, Larva)

I don't like ZvZ for a series cause the games all have the same feel. There is some metagame with the RPS nature of going 9 pool/12 pool/12 hatch, but the games are just too similar to each other. PvP is kinda the same, but there's a bit more diversity early and there is the possibility of an end game.

TvT is pretty cool though, and I'd much rather have any non-mirror match than a mirror match series.

imo watchability of a series is something like tvz > zvp > tvp > tvt >>> pvp=zvz

RvX is pretty cool to watch too..