On November 22 2021 23:42 Loco wrote:
ironic considering on this very page you are seen celebrating a dude who was caught celebrating with neo-fascists and doing "white power" signs after killing two people and pleading not guilty to murder and weapons charges
And that is related to supporting dictators how? This isn't a comebakc this is the equivalent of a "no you" child's argument, pathetic.
This might be a shocker to you but a picture of you doing the "ok" hand sign does not mean you waive your right to defend yourself.
If there was an anti-mandate rally and 3 proud boys jumped a guy minding his business and this guy kills the proud boys in self defense you would't have the same opinion, because you are so deep in your bullshit dogma you can't see past your nose and it hasn't gotten any better over the years.
On November 23 2021 01:18 blackjacki2 wrote:
4 more raids on other stores all around the Bay just since I made that post. A pharmacy in Oakland, a lulu lemon and sunglass hut in San Jose and a Sam's Jewelers at a mall in Hayward.
Pretty interesting mix of left-wing policies and scale that cause this, corps don't care much about this kind of robberies its just a number, if its a local shop owners will defend their property way more fiercely.
It's sad to see the Bay Area collapse in this fashion, perhaps it will be a cautionary tale to other cities but I'm not that hopeful.
On November 22 2021 23:42 Loco wrote:
ironic considering on this very page you are seen celebrating a dude who was caught celebrating with neo-fascists and doing "white power" signs after killing two people and pleading not guilty to murder and weapons charges
And that is related to supporting dictators how? This isn't a comebakc this is the equivalent of a "no you" child's argument, pathetic.
This might be a shocker to you but a picture of you doing the "ok" hand sign does not mean you waive your right to defend yourself.
If there was an anti-mandate rally and 3 proud boys jumped a guy minding his business and this guy kills the proud boys in self defense you would't have the same opinion, because you are so deep in your bullshit dogma you can't see past your nose and it hasn't gotten any better over the years.
Wow you're slow. The quote you were replying to was my claim that you don't pay serious attention to fascists and their sympathizers (hiems in that case). You instead deflect and sometimes go as far as defending them and downplaying their affiliations. And now you are doing the same, proving my point.
You realize that there are people who elect fascists right lol? Imagine if everyone thought like you, that fascists and their sympathizers can do no serious societal wrong because "the real enemies are the leftists", what world would we be living in? You are actively working for a world in which neofascism can and will take root. Instead of defending the dictators you defend or wilfully ignore the people who would eventually elect them. And to this day you spread their propaganda like a fucking champ. That's a lot worse than anyone who's had a good word to say about Chavez 3 years ago?
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I would be delighted if we found a second part of that footage and those guys are all setting fire to the Louis Vutton items and it was in fact a symbolic robbery
I would be delighted if we found a second part of that footage and those guys are all setting fire to the Louis Vutton items and it was in fact a symbolic robbery
You are the gift that keeps on giving. The irony never stops.
Why is this a bad thing? When McDonalds realizes they can no longer hire workers at minimum wage they aren't just going to close down their restaurants. They are going to hire workers at a higher wage. Workers are realizing they have increased bargaining power and it's going to lead to increased wages for them. Not sure how that's a checkmate against capitalism.
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blackjacki2 United States. Nov 24 2021 00:00. Posts 2581
Wages jumped in the three months ending in September by the most on records dating back 20 years, a stark illustration of the growing ability of workers to demand higher pay from companies that are desperate to fill a near-record number of available jobs.
Pay increased 1.5% in the third quarter, the Labor Department said Friday. That’s up sharply from 0.9% in the previous quarter. The value of benefits rose 0.9% in the July-September quarter, more than double the preceding three months.
Workers have gained the upper hand in the job market for the first time in at least two decades, and they are commanding higher pay, more benefits, and other perks like flexible work hours. With more jobs available than there are unemployed people, government data shows, businesses have been forced to work harder to attract staff.
Funny how Loco of all people thinks that record increases in wages for workers is a doomsday scenario
First of all I don't think it's "doomsday for capitalism" but it has led to a lot of businesses closing and capitalists becoming enraged -- I was just pointing that out. It is not good news for the free market fundamentalists and those trying to squeeze out as much as possible out of their employees.
Is it sensible to use successful collectivist/socialist efforts as a success story for capitalism? How can you judge if capitalism is doing great or not if you collapse everything under "capitalism" anyway? Are unions capitalist because they function under capitalism?
I mean the whole point is that these wages have been stagnant for so long and suddenly certain ideas key to capitalism (like the meritocracy) are no longer accepted by the masses. When you look at just how much radicalization is taking place (like so many people questioning the idea that we should work for a wage at all), and crazy shit like those robberies taking place, it doesn't take a genius to realize that this isn't the golden age of capitalism.
Also, that quote is pretty much cherry-picking; look up how many job vacancies there are despite "workers having the upper hand". That article also states that higher pay can lead to inflation.
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You are the gift that keeps on giving. The irony never stops.
A reddit subscriber count is your "gotcha moment"?
As I said you associate SF with late stage capitalism despise the fact that it's the most left-leaning city in the US, and you probably think that inflation and the downfall the retarded trillion dollar bill will cause are also signs which again are the opposite, its just left-wing economic policies destroying economies for the 1000th time.
If you haven't noticed I don't feel confident in the dollar as world currency and the US as economical hub of the world, I am betting on the decentralization of the economy but sadly for your tankie ass, this future is also free, if hopefully the bankers, the lobbists and the nepotist oligarchs fall I will be cheering next to you, the difference is that on the next day I'll be financially free, and you could be too but you'd have to stop being a clown waiting for Lening to thaw.
Also on the "fantasy world" thing I'm not talking about your political ideas, I'm being very specific on how you literally fantasize about those looters burning the merchandize, this is not how a well adjusted person thinks like, these fantasies seem like a coping mechanism to deal with the uglyness of the human condition, this shit isn't healthy and perhaps its the source of your warped view of reality and hence your ill thought conclusions.
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blackjacki2 United States. Nov 24 2021 01:17. Posts 2581
On November 23 2021 23:42 Loco wrote:
First of all I don't think it's "doomsday for capitalism" but it has led to a lot of businesses closing and capitalists becoming enraged -- I was just pointing that out. It is not good news for the free market fundamentalists and those trying to squeeze out as much as possible out of their employees.
Is it sensible to use successful collectivist/socialist efforts as a success story for capitalism? How can you judge if capitalism is doing great or not if you collapse everything under "capitalism" anyway? Are unions capitalist because they function under capitalism?
I mean the whole point is that these wages have been stagnant for so long and suddenly certain ideas key to capitalism (like the meritocracy) are no longer accepted by the masses. When you look at just how much radicalization is taking place (like so many people questioning the idea that we should work for a wage at all), and crazy shit like those robberies taking place, it doesn't take a genius to realize that this isn't the golden age of capitalism.
Also, that quote is pretty much cherry-picking; look up how many job vacancies there are despite "workers having the upper hand".
Yes, collective bargaining/unions are a part of capitalism. The problem appears to be that we've had stagnant wages and squeezing workers for so long that you have come to conflate these things with capitalism itself. Increasing wages and bargaining power for workers are not signs of the end of capitalism. It's a long overdue market correction. I'm not "collapsing everything under capitalism." I'm just not only collapsing the stuff that is bad for workers under capitalism like you are. Maybe if you didn't have such a bastardized view of capitalism you'd be able to see that.
You are the gift that keeps on giving. The irony never stops.
A reddit subscriber count is your "gotcha moment"?
As I said you associate SF with late stage capitalism despise the fact that it's the most left-leaning city in the US, and you probably think that inflation and the downfall the retarded trillion dollar bill will cause are also signs which again are the opposite, its just left-wing economic policies destroying economies for the 1000th time.
If you haven't noticed I don't feel confident in the dollar as world currency and the US as economical hub of the world, I am betting on the decentralization of the economy but sadly for your tankie ass, this future is also free, if hopefully the bankers, the lobbists and the nepotist oligarchs fall I will be cheering next to you, the difference is that on the next day I'll be financially free, and you could be too but you'd have to stop being a clown waiting for Lening to thaw.
Also on the "fantasy world" thing I'm not talking about your political ideas, I'm being very specific on how you literally fantasize about those looters burning the merchandize, this is not how a well adjusted person thinks like, these fantasies seem like a coping mechanism to deal with the uglyness of the human condition, this shit isn't healthy and perhaps its the source of your warped view of reality and hence your ill thought conclusions.
It's not about the subscriber count you retard -- do you see the curve? Do you know what "context" means? Do you know what a "historical moment" is? The one we live in doesn't say anything about "capitalism being fine" -- that's delusional. When the masses literally embrace an anarchist movement it should at least make you question your presuppositions a tiny little bit.
Also that last bit is hypocritical shit -- you are just as much if not more outspoken about fashion and waste than me. If it doesn't make you smile to think about symbolically disrespecting thousand dollar purses and burning this shit then it's just because you're afraid it might look like you're losing some argument and you are petty like that. And I'm not fantasizing about any of this shit, it just makes me laugh to instigate your propertarian piousness. You can't unironically treat private property and rich people apparel as sacred and speak of me being unwilling to accept "the uglyness of the human condition". The ugly truth is that property is not sacred and destruction and fights over private property will occur regardless of whether your bank account is high in bitcoins or US dollars when some people's bank accounts have nothing in them.
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On November 24 2021 00:25 Loco wrote:
It's not about the subscriber count you retard -- do you see the curve? Do you know what "context" means? Do you know what a "historical moment" is? The one we live in doesn't say anything about "capitalism being fine" -- that's delusional. When the masses literally embrace an anarchist movement it should at least make you question your presuppositions a tiny little bit.
Also that last bit is hypocritical shit -- you are just as much if not more outspoken about fashion and waste than me. If it doesn't make you smile to think about symbolically disrespecting thousand dollar purses and burning this shit then it's just because you're afraid it might look like you're losing some argument and you are petty like that. And I'm not fantasizing about any of this shit, it just makes me laugh to instigate your propertarian piousness. You can't unironically treat private property and rich people apparel as sacred and speak of me being unwilling to accept "the uglyness of the human condition". The ugly truth is that property is not sacred and destruction and fights over private property will occur regardless of whether your bank account is high in bitcoins or US dollars when some people's bank accounts have nothing in them.
So according to you which qualifies as a "movement":
[ ]Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency, Web3, the decentralization of currency, finance, government currently valued at over 2 trillion dollars.
[x] A sub-reddit about people not wanting to work to earn a living with 1.2M subscribers, which makes it about the 500th biggest sub-reddit.
I'm not a closet authoritarian like you, I don't like fashion and superfluous luxury but I don't want to burn luxury shops down, I'd like it if people on their own free will stopped buying these things, and more importantly I don't create ridiculous scenarios in my mind to cope with this reality.
I don't know if I'd call rights "sacred", i'll leave that to you since you love playing semantics, but yeah if it isn't obvious enough I believe in the right to own property and to defend it with force if neccesary against people who think they can just take it because they don't want to work.
Loco I gotta say its great to have you back, such a cornucopia of inane takes, a private window into the clown world, bravo!.
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blackjacki2 United States. Nov 24 2021 09:18. Posts 2581
On November 23 2021 23:42 Loco wrote:
Also, that quote is pretty much cherry-picking; look up how many job vacancies there are despite "workers having the upper hand".
I'm cherry picking? Job vacancies is a snapshot number and doesn't tell you anything. Are job vacancies going up or down? What were job vacancies last month compared to this month? Maybe you should look at net jobs added instead or change in unemployment %. Funny to be accused of cherry picking by someone that brought an obscure subreddit's subscriber count to the table as their evidence LOL
That article also states that higher pay can lead to inflation.
Higher pay can lead to inflation? That's literally a right-wing talking point. "We can't raise the minimum wage because then a Big Mac will cost $20." Did you rip that from Tucker Carlson? Did you go so far left that you circled around and ended up on the right?
Capitalism is pretty much dying unless the wage-to-purchasing power gap starts declining and employers take responsibility for the mental health of their workers as it's a group thing, what happens right now are they place all the weight on the individual.
The very reasons people embraced capitalism are no longer true. Hopefully there won't be a 'dark period' like reinstating some idiotic ideology before we move onto the next thing, but historically there usually is
Always been funny to me with the minimum wage argument when the minimum wage in Denmark is 18$/hr and a Big Mac costs less than in the US while actually having MEAT in the burgers, since the EU has very strict food policies and you can't market dogshit food here. Not that the big mac index is an objective metric to look at, but still... The majority of supporters from both parties in the US are pro-minimum wage increase and pro-tax increase, yet the media reports the exact opposite
Until there are dumbasses like Peterson and Harari that explain how the Paretto principle applies to human social distribution and that 'hurr durr you earn the same but you can now buy a pocket computer!" and think it's normal I have little hope of any improvement tho
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Nov 24 2021 11:36. Posts 5297
On November 24 2021 08:40 Spitfiree wrote:
The very reasons people embraced capitalism are no longer true. Hopefully, there won't be a 'dark period' like reinstating some idiotic ideology before we move onto the next thing, but historically there usually is
Can you tell me which people embraced capitalism, apart from a tiny group of rich people? Indoctrinated people perhaps. But the historical record over the last 400 years is pretty clear. Ever since those peasants got driven off the land of those aristocrats and forced to become wage slaves, it's been non-stop violence (not to say it wasn't violent beforehand); coupled with the development of a propaganda system which is now being eclipsed by a mass surveillance system. What I see from the historical record is that capitalism is constantly being resisted, and people are very often willing to risk their lives to be free of it.
As for the dark period, there's no way a collapse of capitalism would be good. As I've told people, my ideals would be to push it in the direction of replacing it with a democratic system. But a collapse would devastate the rest of the world. It appears to be going in a similar direction to what Russia experienced in the 1990's when the USSR collapsed, but at a much slower pace.
I've often encountered leftists who say a collapse would be great because we can start a new, or build a new world out of it, but looking back; Kropotkin made the same kinds of arguments about WW1. He was marginally correct because it did actually drive millions of people towards radical leftism in the 1920's, but tens of millions died. It would be worse this time around, given what is at stake.
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blackjacki2 United States. Nov 24 2021 12:15. Posts 2581
The very reasons people embraced capitalism are no longer true. Hopefully, there won't be a 'dark period' like reinstating some idiotic ideology before we move onto the next thing, but historically there usually is
. What I see from the historical record is that capitalism is constantly being resisted, and people are very often willing to risk their lives to be free of it.
Yep. As a native of South Florida I can't tell you how many times I lay awake at night dreaming of pitching a raft and crossing shark infested waters to Cuba in order to escape this nightmare.
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hiems United States. Nov 24 2021 15:59. Posts 2979
The very reasons people embraced capitalism are no longer true. Hopefully, there won't be a 'dark period' like reinstating some idiotic ideology before we move onto the next thing, but historically there usually is
Can you tell me which people embraced capitalism, apart from a tiny group of rich people? Indoctrinated people perhaps. But the historical record over the last 400 years is pretty clear. Ever since those peasants got driven off the land of those aristocrats and forced to become wage slaves, it's been non-stop violence (not to say it wasn't violent beforehand); coupled with the development of a propaganda system which is now being eclipsed by a mass surveillance system. What I see from the historical record is that capitalism is constantly being resisted, and people are very often willing to risk their lives to be free of it.
As for the dark period, there's no way a collapse of capitalism would be good. As I've told people, my ideals would be to push it in the direction of replacing it with a democratic system. But a collapse would devastate the rest of the world. It appears to be going in a similar direction to what Russia experienced in the 1990's when the USSR collapsed, but at a much slower pace.
I've often encountered leftists who say a collapse would be great because we can start a new, or build a new world out of it, but looking back; Kropotkin made the same kinds of arguments about WW1. He was marginally correct because it did actually drive millions of people towards radical leftism in the 1920's, but tens of millions died. It would be worse this time around, given what is at stake.
lol tell me a single system in history that has never been resisted. amazing logic...
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