Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 150

the sun is a tabloid and this chick's post is pretty shallow, cant take someone seriously if they accuse someone of being murders but also say they have no girlfriends in the same post .....(not judging the actual truth of what these guys are about... just saying I wouldn't post her post cause its laughable )

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immig...eld-deportation-shares-like-immigrant

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This actually gives quite some credence to the concentration camp claims - here we have an athlete (granted I didn't see pictures of him, but if he's a soccer player it's fair to assume he wasn't morbidly obese) who lost 26 lbs in 23 days of detention. That is an absurd amount of weight to lose in that short time.

On July 26 2019 08:04 Spitfiree wrote: the sun is a tabloid and this chick's post is pretty shallow, cant take someone seriously if they accuse someone of being murders but also say they have no girlfriends in the same post .....(not judging the actual truth of what these guys are about... just saying I wouldn't post her post cause its laughable )

I didn't even read that. I wasn't posting that, it automatically posts the upper comment whenever you link to a Twitter post that is part of a thread. Now that I've read it though, I mean, incel radicalization and violence is on the rise, isn't it? It's not exactly a shocking hypothesis to say that these guys probably don't have much female presence/nurturing in their lives. It's a pointless comment to be making though, just like her comment that implies that there is value in "more evidence" that these guys are violent right-wingers.

Btw, the fact that it is a tabloid doesn't prevent it from having a political orientation. These things are not mutually exclusive.

On July 26 2019 10:06 Liquid`Drone wrote: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immig...eld-deportation-shares-like-immigrant + Show Spoiler + Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport. Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food. He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty. He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor. Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said. “It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said. Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate. CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies. "Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation." For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures. Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians. “It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said. Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions. Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives. They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships. “We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said. But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses. Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate. But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said. Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call. “I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said. Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city. Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints. Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico. He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate. She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa. But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted. “Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said. Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him. CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia. Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home. “I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said. This actually gives quite some credence to the concentration camp claims - here we have an athlete (granted I didn't see pictures of him, but if he's a soccer player it's fair to assume he wasn't morbidly obese) who lost 26 lbs in 23 days of detention. That is an absurd amount of weight to lose in that short time.

There was more than enough evidence already.

yep but more in the form of opinions or observations held by people you might or might not trust. I figure a weight loss of 26 pounds in 3 weeks by a reasonably fit person is a more tangible way of showcasing how abject the conditions are.

I mean, it makes sense that a fit person would lose them that fast. He should've been pretty starved out though

"ICE deported a mentally disabled man who spoke no spanish to mexico despite him providing multiple documents proving he was born in US. After the U.S Embassy flew him back to America, ICE was waiting to arrest him at the airport and he spent 6 days in jail while they tried to deport him again."

"Lyttle, who was born in North Carolina and suffers from bipolar disorder and cognitive disabilities, was inexplicably referred to ICE in 2008 as an undocumented immigrant from Mexico even though he had never been to Mexico, shared no Mexican heritage, and spoke no Spanish."

"Lyttle was ordered to be removed from the country in December 2008, transported to the Mexican border, and forced to disembark there and travel through Mexico on foot, with only $3 in his pocket. He spent the next 125 days wandering through Mexico, Honduras, and Nicaragua, sleeping in streets and shelters and enduring abuse and imprisonment because he had no identity documents or proof of citizenship."

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speakeasy/u...s-his-case-against-federal-government

This is actually pre-Trump. ICE was horrific since conception.

"Top CBP Officer Testifies He’s Unsure if 3-Year-Old Is “a Criminal or a National Security Threat”

"Hastings could not explain in even the simplest terms how his officers had gone about removing children from their parents; he further admitted there was no “minimum time” for warning parents they were about to be separated from their children perhaps forever. The denouement came when Hastings confessed what the administration had long denied: that there was no intent ever to reunite the families when the policy was first implemented."


Nadler: After it was determined that the adult was being deported, was the child supposed to be returned to the parent before the deportation, or the parent is suddenly in some foreign country and the child is here?

Hastings: It’s probably a better question for HHS.

Nadler: Who did the deportation?

Hastings: We would do the deportation.

Nadler: You would do the deportation while the child was in a different city in the United States.

Hastings: We don’t do the reunifications is my point, sir.

Nadler: So you would do the deportation before the reunification without any knowledge of whether the parents are being reunified?

Hastings: Yes.

Nadler: So, in other words, you’re kidnapping the child.

Hastings: We’re not kidnapping the child. We follow the guidelines that are out.

Nadler: Deporting a parent without their child is literal kidnapping.

"This is the exact opposite of what the administration had previously said. “[Zero tolerance] did have the impact of … 2,000-plus families being separated during that prosecution [period],” McAleenan told NBC’s Lester Holt in April. “They were always intended to be reunited.”


Looks exactly how you'd expect.

send them all back.

On July 26 2019 10:06 Liquid`Drone wrote: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immig...eld-deportation-shares-like-immigrant + Show Spoiler + Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born U.S. citizen, spent 23 days in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in conditions that made him so desperate he almost opted to self-deport. Galicia says he lost 26 pounds during that time in a South Texas immigrant detention center because officers didn’t provide him with enough food. He said he wasn’t allowed to shower and his skin was dry and dirty. He and 60 other men were crammed into an overcrowded holding area where they slept on the floor and were given only aluminum-foil blankets, he said. Some men had to sleep on the restroom area floor. Ticks bit some of the men and some were very sick, Galicia said. But many were afraid to ask to go to the doctor because CBP officers told them their stay would start over if they did, he said. “It was inhumane how they treated us. It got to the point where I was ready to sign a deportation paper just to not be suffering there anymore. I just needed to get out of there,” he said. Galicia spoke to The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, one day after he was released by federal officials who had earlier refused to acknowledge his citizenship when presented with his birth certificate. CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials did not respond to Galicia's claims of poor conditions at the CBP holding facility. But the agencies issued a joint statement Wednesday evening addressing their decision to detain him. The explanation came two days after The News first broke the story of his detention and made repeated requests for comment to both agencies. "Generally, situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify," the statement read. "While we continue to research the facts of the situation, this individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation." For most of the time Galicia was held by federal authorities, he said he lived under conditions that many asylum-seeking immigrants have reportedly faced over the past year, leading to much public outcry from politicians and public figures. Galicia said he met people from all over: Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Colombians. “It’s one thing to see these conditions on TV and in the news. It’s another to go through them,” he said. Galicia was released Tuesday afternoon from the ICE detention center in Pearsall where he’d been since Saturday. His release came less than 24 hours after The News first reported on his detention. Before Saturday, he’d been held for about three weeks at a CBP facility in Falfurrias, where he reported the squalid conditions. Galicia’s ordeal began on June 27 when he and his younger brother Marlon Galicia and three friends set out for Ranger College in North Texas from Edinburg where the Galicia family lives. They were heading to a soccer scouting event where the brothers, who both play defense for the Johnny Economedes High School soccer team, were hoping to land scholarships. “We’re supposed to graduate from high school next year, and we wanted to do something to secure our education,” Francisco Galicia said. But the boys had to pass through a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 50 miles north of Edinburg. It was there that CBP agents asked the group to pull over and asked the passengers their statuses. Marlon Galicia and another passenger lacked legal status. Francisco Galicia told Border Patrol agents that he was a citizen and presented them with a Texas ID, Social Security card and a wallet-sized birth certificate. But agents doubted the validity of his documents right away, Galicia said. Agents then took the brothers and another passenger into custody. They held them at the checkpoint for a day and then moved them to a CBP holding facility, where Francisco hoped he would be allowed a phone call. “I told them we had rights and asked to make a phone call. But they told us, ‘You don’t have rights to anything’,” Francisco Galicia said. Two days after they were taken into custody, Marlon, who was born in Mexico, decided to voluntarily deport so that he could tell their mother, Sanjuana Galicia, about Francisco’s situation. He is now in Reynosa, a dangerous border city. Claudia Galan, Galicia’s attorney, told The News that CBPs decision to hold Galicia despite his citizenship was likely tied to the issuance of a visitor’s visa that agents found in their records after they scanned his fingerprints. Galicia’s mother obtained the visa for him when he was a minor and claimed he was born in Mexico. He didn’t have a U.S. passport because when he was born in Dallas, Sanjuana used a fake name on his birth certificate. She feared the only way she’d be able to legally travel across the border with her U.S. citizen son was with the visa. But Galicia says CBP agents doubted the validity of his documents even before he was fingerprinted. “Powerless. That’s how I felt. How with all this proof that I was giving them could they hold me?” he said. Galicia says the documents he presented at the CBP checkpoint have not been returned to him. CBP has not confirmed whether the old visa was why they detained Galicia. Sanjuana Galicia said she was just glad to have her son home. “I’m just so thankful to God and to everyone who spoke up about my son’s situation. I’m glad to have him back home, but I need my other son back,” she said. This actually gives quite some credence to the concentration camp claims - here we have an athlete (granted I didn't see pictures of him, but if he's a soccer player it's fair to assume he wasn't morbidly obese) who lost 26 lbs in 23 days of detention. That is an absurd amount of weight to lose in that short time.

common sense abounds. but yeah -seems like anyone even tangential to this area of study believes concentration camps to be an apropos term.

brian hastings poker pro turned border patrol

public libraries and school textbooks are corporate welfare to prop up the publishing industry

In less than 24 hours, there has been two mass shootings in El Paso and in Dayton. Dozens of people have been killed. Was this thread bumped for this? Nope, the Tweets of Ian Miles are more important than that. Interestingly, this is a guy who constantly posts about how Antifa are violent terrorists but who doesn't talk about these shootings except to deny the spaces in which those people are radicalized. The spaces which he happens to have been a part of for a long time and now profits from. He worked for Tucker Carlson's 'Daily Caller' and now Human Events. What is Human Events? They're a far-right website who have published a list of "Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries". What's on that list? Dewey, Keynes, Marx, Engels, Nietzsche... and honorable mentions for Darwin's "The Origin of Species" (evolution is bad, m'kay) and "Silent Spring" (they are obviously climate change deniers; science is bad m'kay?).

A bit more about Miles. Who is Ian Miles?

Ian Miles Cheong is a famous Gamergater known for his Reddit scandal in 2012 as well as uncovered IRC logs in which he claimed "Hitler is my fucking idol".

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"Ian is best described as a fusion of Milo and Paul Watson — an ugly, middle-aged, foppish loser, failing upward through a combination of ignorant fans who don’t understand what a talentless hack their icon is and a lucky streak that has kept them loyal purely for angering the right people. And, equally, he is also a self-contradicting moron, desperate to be liked, who has never read a book in his life and doesn’t plan to, spouting completely wrong facts and shrugging off when actual historians, scientists, or just fact-checkers bring reality to him.

He’s a worthless dullard who manipulated systems to give himself a platform, and with no skill or wit to buoy himself or wholesale steal, he now floats aimlessly, peddling his articles on far right corners of the net, doing the only thing talentless hacks like him can do — drift further to the right as they are forced to write articles that convince old people the world outside is scary.
The only thing that separates him from every other neocon hack cashing a check is an impossibly large prebuilt audience of young gamers, ironic Nazis, and /pol/ sociopaths. Because he’s never had an original idea in his life, he’s adopted every one of their mannerisms and injokes such as the years-old shot at transgender people, “I identify as an attack helicopter!” Please, sir, can I borrow a cup of wit?

He doesn’t quite fit in to the nihilistic channers. He’s always fast to accept any form of praise and affection, smashing that like button when a pretty girl Nazi like Laura Southern tells him how right he is, and he’s incredibly touchy on being mocked or called out. This is not to laugh at Ian being ugly — the genetic lottery is cruel and brutal — but to point out that, despite his newfound popularity as a shit-flinger, he has no ability to laugh at himself or roll with a joke. Instead of firing back, you’re a neckbeard male feminist, loser. Pause for laughs.

And yet, despite the blatant touchy behavior, the factual wrongness, the defense of fascism, and openly contradicting himself weekly…his fans remain. Ironic Nazis, shitposters, gamergaters, neocons, Islamophobes, and 34 year old ignorant children, worried about the fat feminists who want to take their games away." https://medium.com/@theMirai/a-thousa...n-faces-ian-miles-cheong-b32d8c356114

those democratic socialists look a bit silly and self-righteous. A bit like the self-proletarizing academics from radical leftist communities in norway that were all socialist/communist and varying degrees of revolutionary, most of whom largely backed away from their youthful ideals as they learned more about the groups they had been idealizing.

But they also strike me as fundamentally constructive. These are not the corrupting forces of american society lol, at worst, they're 'lame'. And the aforementioned radical norwegian leftists, for what talk of violent revolution they engaged in, they never did anything destructive. Meanwhile the trolly right wing sites of the internet are engaging in gamification of serial killing.

"sorry, the corporate overlords won't let me use the word 'terrorist' on air unless it targets people on the left who have never killed anyone."

"I can't say it"

what does "only in the panhandle" mean?