Strategy talk while at the tables? - Page 2

I used to talk a little strategy but then I realized the average live poker player is rock dumb and wouldn't understand most of the things I'm talking about anyway. Throwing around terms like balancing your range goes way over 95% of the players heads. I'd show up with a bluff in some spots occasionally and be considered stupid as fuck when the point of it is to balance and show up in the same spot with the nuts and dickslap someone in the face when they don't expect it. I also found that using terminology like 3bet/4bet/5bet, "range", "equity", "balance", etc... frequently makes you actually sound pretty annoying rather than constructive.

Nowdays, whenever someone says anything fucking retarded, I just flat out agree with them on almost everything. We become best friends, he buys me a drink, then I take a few hundred off him later. And the best part, he's not mad at all cause we are best buds! The only time I will maybe talk a little strategy is if I'm sitting next to someone on my direct left/right that I play with frequently and both of us have some mutual respect for one another. I don't think it's too negative to talk a little strategy with someone you perceive similar to your level as long as you aren't distracting the table and taking away from the game.

I would like to add that as a non-professional player there are times where I may play while not in my best condition and make lots of mistakes such as playing way too many hands or chasing when it's not worth it. Specifically, in times where I have been drinking a little too much, I might start playing a little gambletastic. While my personality in general is very not give a fuck about anything style, I have had instances where people have criticized my play and have called me offensive names to the point where it starts to get almost impossible for me to play. Some people can be so bad that I've had times where I sucked out with a 2 outer and the guy is looking to pick a fight with me outside. For me personally, I could give two shits about what those people think, but it would be very easy for a fish who is actually bad to make the same mistakes I am. If people berate a fish that doesn't have the personality/mental fortitude to deal with some of the criticism, that person is immediately gone. It's really bad for the game to be that negative to people in my opinion.

Lets examine a typical live player for minute guys.

Typical live player limps A6 and 67 off under the gun, open limps button with k5 off, raises 10 bb with aces, limps AK, cold calls 3 bets with low pps. And this is just preflop. Are you guys really threatened by these players so much that we must make every game we sit at a blood sport?

Of course its stupid to tell your opponents how you play but the skill gap is literally the equivalent of a kid out of middle school playing chess vs someone who does it for a living. Now if the guy just took his money every game eventually people dont want to play with you any more. But you teach them a little and they think they are hot shit now and you get more action.

When talking strategy you just regurgitate whatever has already been said on tv and never go into your own advanced game play of course. Then of course there is promoting the gamble. You basically bullshit about every hand you can and laugh about it. There are times fish do stupid shit and suck out. You dont berate the fish you high five him and laugh your ass off with the table. If he does something stupid and loses you say he runs bad.

I don't usually tap the glass but after reading this thread.. I can not be silent to the community that made my career. You guys are fucking fish

any time you're talking about strategy at a table you are promoting talking about strat and not about gambling. stuff like that generally makes the fish more self aware and more conscious that if he messes up he'll look stupid and try to look stupid less. giving fish unsolicited advice is the worst, and talking strat with regs with a fish in ear shot is almost as bad.

that said, if a fish asks you for advice on a hand and you want to have a good relationship with him i dont mind answering honestly. some fish have a lot of money to lose because they are smart and do well in other places so if you just keep saying ya man woulda done the exact same thing while you are sitting there playing 1 hand every 3 hours that's probably going to rub them the wrong way as well. if im answering any question though im answering it open endedly and by explaining it in terms of feel and avoiding words like range, odds, line, 3b etc. so if board is 7892T and a fish raises a bet on the river and then calls a 3b with a 6 and asks me if i would have called i'll say something like 'well after he raised you again on the river i think he's trying to say he has the jack. now its just up to you if you believe him'.

probably not something id do often at lower stakes due to larger fish pool and inability to parlay that good relationship into anything useful. also, good ways to just sidestep the issue are to be drinking heavily and get the fish to think you're the fish so hed never ask you anyways.

Lets just say before i was on the same boat as everyone, die hard conservative and not talk to anyone and just listen and watch everything i can at the table.

After about 5 years or so i became a little more comfortable at the table and can feel out where everyone is at a little more better. Now i can talk to people a little more about the game while playing and show my bluffs and still be confident about my game not to get exploited.

A real life example to paint a better picture of what kind of table talk i am talking about.

We have a pro vs a fish in the bb.
Board comes K 5 5 rainbow. BB donks a bet into like 5 people, pro smooths. Turn is 4 and pro has pocket 4s and rest is irrelevant but afterwards the bb goes why did you call with 4s? The guy pauses for a second and says with a straight face , 'honestly, i put you on a weak king and was planning on pushing you off of it later.' Sure, he could of responded with any other answer but the answer he responded with was savage and i want to be a savage.

Till this day that fish is still one of the biggest losers in the room that goes there everyday. The pro was so confident in his skills vs the fish that he straight up told him he was going to rob him later. Not to mention the rest of the table seeing what just happened helped his future action as well.

On September 19 2016 19:00 AndrewSong wrote: I don't usually tap the glass but after reading this thread.. I can not be silent to the community that made my career. You guys are fucking fish

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