On June 09 2018 13:49 Loco wrote:
And let's remember that individual expectations are very much shaped by your family and society as a whole. It's also a bit misleading if you don't account for age in the graph. White men are not the predominant victims at all age ranges.
Anyway, this is also in part explained by the concept of toxic masculinity that Baal discredits reflexively. Feminists have been arguing since the very beginning that toxic masculinity negatively affects male mental health (which of course is a predominant attitude/behavioral pattern in white men due to privilege):
"Men who adhere to traditionally masculine cultural norms, such as risk-taking, violence, dominance, primacy of work, disdain for homosexuality, need for emotional control, desire to win, and pursuit of social status, tend to be more likely to experience psychological problems such as depression, stress, body image problems, substance abuse, and poor social functioning. The effect tends to be stronger in men who also emphasize "toxic" masculine norms, such as self-reliance, seeking power over women, and sexual promiscuity or "playboy" behavior."
That seems to correlate well with the fact that it's older men (75+) that are more represented and they are much more likely to emphasize the more "toxic" norms. Men are also more likely to succeed in their suicide attempt, probably in large part because surviving an attempted suicide is the ultimate unmanly thing. It sure doesn't paint a global picture about mental health. For instance, suicide attempts are between two and four times more frequent among females.
So, my expectations from my family and society (and myself) were stupid high and I exhibited all of the behaviors except primacy or work (no children duh), disdain for homosexuality and seeking power over women (which is debatable) and I experienced all of the psychological problems listed to extremes.
I never attempted suicide but the closest I ever got I had a santoku knife into my gut. I yelled as I was going to do it (not planned) and had the thought "not now. Not yet." I heated up the the knife and branded myself which I carry the scar to this day. That wasn't enough pain so I took a lighter and just burnt the back of my hand to see what would happen. Manly men in the steel mill asked what it was from and I said I got up to some BDSM stuff with a freaky red head. I always thought hari kari was the manliest way to go but the shame was not too great on that day. It even became a thing. Is the shame too great? Santoku knife is in the drawer.
i am freaking pumped after watching that video (as in i let out an involuntary whoop).
the meme that launches a revolution.
what a time to be alive. i remember when i was a kid i thought all of history already happened. i remember in 5th grade learning about MLK and thinking "wth? how did it even take this long? what was the opposing argument?"
here we are now, crescendoing to peak social and political unrest. it's gonna be/get nuts out there.
On June 09 2018 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
actually yeah. Happiness is not a description of how objectively good your situation is, but more about how good it is compared to your expectations. White people are much more likely to have lived privileged lives and are used to being judged as individuals rather than as a group, so when they fail (which might well have systemic explanations behind it), they see it as a reflection of their own individual failure rather than as society having fucked up. Black people (correctly) see their failures as a reflection of never having had a real chance, white people to a much larger grow up with a 'the world is your oyster' mentality. Then suddenly being 50 years old and losing your job and feeling unable to make ends meet and provide for your family ends up being a much harder hit than if your life was always like that.
So this really is white male privilege in action, just the other side of the coin.
I mean this is a huge simplification obviously. I'm sure a significant part of the uptick is explained by the opioid crisis. But I 100% see this as an extension of 'the happiness equation' - happiness = reality minus expectation, which also means that expectation > reality = depression.
dude you are making ridiculous assumptions and jumping to huge conclusions, hapiness formula? come on and dont get me started on the argument that white people are judged individually hence they bear all the weight of their failure, suicidal people tend to deflect responsibility, ithats a phenomenom mostly seen in middle aged japense men.
Anyway, this is also in part explained by the concept of toxic masculinity that Baal discredits reflexively. Feminists have been arguing since the very beginning that toxic masculinity negatively affects male mental health (which of course is a predominant attitude/behavioral pattern in white men due to privilege):
"Men who adhere to traditionally masculine cultural norms, such as risk-taking, violence, dominance, primacy of work, disdain for homosexuality, need for emotional control, desire to win, and pursuit of social status, tend to be more likely to experience psychological problems such as depression, stress, body image problems, substance abuse, and poor social functioning. The effect tends to be stronger in men who also emphasize "toxic" masculine norms, such as self-reliance, seeking power over women, and sexual promiscuity or "playboy" behavior."
That seems to correlate well with the fact that it's older men (75+) that are more represented and they are much more likely to emphasize the more "toxic" norms. Men are also more likely to succeed in their suicide attempt, probably in large part because surviving an attempted suicide is the ultimate unmanly thing. It sure doesn't paint a global picture about mental health. For instance, suicide attempts are between two and four times more frequent among females.
of course i reject it, not because masculinity doesnt have negative traits, it obviously does, but how its developed by feminists is absolutely stupid.
Also men aren't most succesful at killing themselves because failing is unmanly wtf, are you so detached from your own masculinity that you lost any notion of it? we succeed because our nature is more violent so we choose more reliable methods of suicide like blowing your brains out with a gun instead of tender sleeping pills
On June 09 2018 14:09 Loco wrote:
In other "truth news," US Army vet Michael Prysner goes over the "facts" John Oliver presents in his recent video on Venezuela and those that he (maybe deliberately) ignored. Prysner spent a month in Venezuela during the height of the protest movement in 2017, covering the riots and economic crisis. It's worth hearing his perspective.
Good fucking god... you are now a Venezuela's regime supporter, absolutely brilliant, you went full retard, congratulations.
The country is in shambles, everybody who can flees the country to Colombia or any other latinamerican country. people are starving by the millions, they drop dead in hospitals, child mortality didn't go down lol, hospitals are forbidden to release any information unless the state approves it.
The only reason why unemployment went down initially is because Chavez increased the government payroll tenfold when elected naturally the economy collapsed and they have a 13,000% inflation.
I had family living in Venezuela, Mexico is filled with Venezuelan migrants, and obviously nobody ever migrates to Venezuela.
You don't have the slightest idea what the fuck you are talking about, how about you buy a plane ticket and visit these socialist paradises, go to La Habana and walks the non-tourist streets, go see your precious socialism in the face instead of posting thes revolting apologetic videos about mass murdering dictators.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 14 2018 13:28. Posts 2226
failing is unmanly? is loco arguing men are biologically more successful than women
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 15 2018 21:13. Posts 5296
John Oliver is part of the commissar class. i don't watch his stuff but the propaganda model by chomsky and herman predicts complete conformity and obedience from him to the interests and views of state and private power in the US. It would be extremely surprising if he wasn't a complete propagandist on the topic of Venezuela, given Venezuelan governments disobedience towards the interests of capitalist investors.
There is a new book coming out on media coverage of Venezuela, based on the authors phd. Should be interesting for those that are interested in the facts:
Our borders with them here in Brazil are filled everyday with Venezuelan refugees, which has created a refugee crisis. They come here with NOTHING and desperate to find work/food/supplies. Lucky for them Brazil has a total open doors policy, so we do the best to take care of them.
No one's defending the current authoritarian regime... there have been real regressions since Maduro took power. But just because you are critical of mainstream US propaganda does not mean that you are necessarily "taking the other side". I posted the video because there's enough in there to show that he's not a trustworthy news source, not because I think Venezuela is doing great.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
The thing is the narrative of the video supports the Venezuelian regime. I haven't missed a single episode of John Oliver's show and will continue to do so and am fully aware of his propaganda. Obviously, some of it slips through due to him either falsely presenting facts or bending them but I doubt anyone in their right mind thinks he is this cool guy serving the interests of the public.... He's just funny and HBO go a long distance to fuck with someone every single time so it's worth watching (e.g. constantly having commercials running @ FOX to fuck with Trump )
On June 16 2018 13:44 Loco wrote:
No one's defending the current authoritarian regime... there have been real regressions since Maduro took power. But just because you are critical of mainstream US propaganda does not mean that you are necessarily "taking the other side". I posted the video because there's enough in there to show that he's not a trustworthy news source, not because I think Venezuela is doing great.
lol you think Maduro is the problem and Chavez was good? Venezuela is a shithole and its not american propaganda, in fact Chavez is the boggeyman for leftists in latinamerica, all leftist politiciasn have to disavow Chavez while campaigning otherwise is an automatic loss, thats how terrified are of Venezuela's neighbors.
You are so deep into your idiotic ideology that you reached the point of supporting murdering dicatators that starve their people, are you going to post videos about how Stalin was good and had millions of supporters too?, you have descended so low that you are now at the leftist equivalency of holocaust deniers, congratulations my friend.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Jun 19 2018 23:59. Posts 3093
On June 09 2018 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
actually yeah. Happiness is not a description of how objectively good your situation is, but more about how good it is compared to your expectations. White people are much more likely to have lived privileged lives and are used to being judged as individuals rather than as a group, so when they fail (which might well have systemic explanations behind it), they see it as a reflection of their own individual failure rather than as society having fucked up. Black people (correctly) see their failures as a reflection of never having had a real chance, white people to a much larger grow up with a 'the world is your oyster' mentality. Then suddenly being 50 years old and losing your job and feeling unable to make ends meet and provide for your family ends up being a much harder hit than if your life was always like that.
So this really is white male privilege in action, just the other side of the coin.
I mean this is a huge simplification obviously. I'm sure a significant part of the uptick is explained by the opioid crisis. But I 100% see this as an extension of 'the happiness equation' - happiness = reality minus expectation, which also means that expectation > reality = depression.
dude you are making ridiculous assumptions and jumping to huge conclusions, hapiness formula? come on and dont get me started on the argument that white people are judged individually hence they bear all the weight of their failure, suicidal people tend to deflect responsibility, ithats a phenomenom mostly seen in middle aged japense men.
what's your explanation for white males in the US being more suicidal than black males in the US? That their situation is 'objectively worse'?
what's your explanation for white males in the US being more suicidal than black males in the US? That their situation is 'objectively worse'?
Of course not, their situation is objectively better in most regards.
However there aren't clear corelations in world suicide rates by country, just watch that list you posted and there is no clear pattern.
It appears to me that war sequels seem to have a correlation (PTSD) also in the list it appears to be a correlation between moderate poverty and low suicide, its almost as if the situation is dismal you kill yourself, but if you are ok but need to grind it every day, that keeps the mind busy and dreamy, but when you have all your necessities met, then the mind is free to wander and existencial dread sets in.
it appears to be a problem with a lot of variables and certainly "capitalism" isn't the answer.
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