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RiKD    United States. Jan 22 2019 18:38. Posts 8445

This video tells a better story besides Jim Hanson's take:



It tells a story of idiot high school kids. The one kid caught in the picture is definitely strange and probably a douchebag. The Florida State University "Seminole" "war chant" seemed to be in good spirits by a bunch of clueless kids. The Florida State University "Seminoles" "war chant" was adapted by a bunch of Florida State University students in the fraternity section of the stadium in a NCAA College Football Game in 1984. Here is a link to an image of the "war chant" and explanation chosen by Florida State University marketers. I attended The Ohio State University. Of the popular frats the members were 100% rich, white males. They were also 100% douchebags. The history of the U.S.A. is rich, white douchebags passing down wealth, power, privelege, "knowledge," to future rich, white douchebags.

 Last edit: 22/01/2019 18:42

Loco   Canada. Jan 22 2019 19:03. Posts 20963

An article by a Catholic, wish-to-be-priest fundamentalist that has something interesting to contribute would be fine (as unlikely as it is), as long as the topic isn't opened up with this before more legitimate sources are posted and discussed. If we don't agree on some basic facts, I don't have any reason to invest my time and go down the rabbit hole and hunt for specific information that validates what you are saying, and so I haven't read the article.

Yes, I had lost track of what the overarching argument is supposed to be, sorry. I've re-read your posts now and I realize I hadn't fully read one of them before I replied as I was distracted at home. So you're defending the premise that racism against white people is common and fashionable, is that correct? Also you claim that less white men have power in many institutions, and this is troublesome? What are some examples of this radicalism you mention? The only thing that comes to my mind with relation to this is Jordan Peterson's "evidence" of cultural Marxism in universities, of which, as you know, I am not convinced whatsoever. And how is this news of kids disrespecting Native Americans evidence of prejudice against white men? Posting a bunch of upset liberals doesn't really explain to me what this has to do with hating white people as a whole, it seems to have to do with being upset at the ignorance/arrogance of a small group of white people.

I posted the mediafactbiascheck link to highlight that anything that you may bring up and that is also being brought up by Breitbart has to be looked at very suspiciously. You haven't shown what makes the website embarrassing, please clarify. So far I haven't seen anything from your posts that suggests that you are not interpreting this event exactly like they (F&F and Breitbart) are. Did I miss something? The only thing that you and I agree on as far as I can tell is that these kids shouldn't be threatened and their future shouldn't be affected by this (and I bet it won't be). It's certainly not their fault that they've been indoctrinated to be so ignorant and violence isn't going to remedy that.


  what have I conflated, you want me to say liberals are unhinged instead?



If you're quoting liberals instead of leftists, yes. Sometimes you quote liberals and claim they are radical just because they are emotional. Liberals are moderates. Radical leftists are people like Chomsky and Zizek, not the "blue checkmarks" on Twitter. It's also important because Political Correctness is a big deal to those of you on the right and it's one of the main drivers behind the culture war now and is mistakenly attributed to the "far left" when people like Zizek and Chomsky who are best known by the right clearly oppose it (though on different grounds). It is a position that is definitely more liberal than radical.

Replace racial freedom with economic freedom, and this is how leftists feel towards liberals.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 22/01/2019 21:22

Loco   Canada. Jan 22 2019 19:27. Posts 20963

Edit: Account with the videos was suspended, I will try to find another source. One video was a kid yelling "its not rape if she enjoys it" and the other was a kid telling a black guy that he has a black guy in his home.




The Native American protester/veteran claims that he also heard them chant "Build the wall". They are apparently denying it, but after seeing these videos, who are you most likely to believe? These are a bunch of fundamentalist kids who are protesting the right of women to have abortions, and who wear Trump paraphernalia... the guy who has been caught lying or making misleading claims 7500+ times.

Here's a random article from the first site I found and which has a very high factual report rating.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/20/686988...king-native-american-man-draws-outcry

According to this, the context is that "there was a small group of Black Hebrew Israelites in the area, exchanging escalating racial taunts with the students, and that he walked in-between the two groups because he feared for the safety of the Black Hebrew Israelites." They "closed in on him" and mocked him.




Also, this video has been getting attention. The girl doesn't seem to have provoked them, but she could have. Either way, since she's walking away, there is no reason for Good Christian Boys to keep yelling shit at her. Now, I wonder if I applied the logic Baal applied to the Gillette commercial, and I posted 5 other examples of this, where only white men are harassing women, would I qualify as racist?

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 22/01/2019 21:24

RiKD    United States. Jan 22 2019 21:08. Posts 8445

boys will be boys lol .........................................................


RiKD    United States. Jan 22 2019 21:14. Posts 8445

I've never seen sexual harassment like I did in Argentina. I have heard Italy and France are even worse.


VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jan 22 2019 22:03. Posts 5108

lol what is that old man doing running after kids with his drum

Pedo ?

:DLast edit: 22/01/2019 22:06

Loco   Canada. Jan 22 2019 23:33. Posts 20963


  On January 22 2019 21:03 VanDerMeyde wrote:
lol what is that old man doing running after kids with his drum

Pedo ?






Shouldn't you have said that he is a retarded pedo? I mean, why else would he be banging on drums, he has to be retarded too, am I right?

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 23/01/2019 02:06

Baalim   Mexico. Jan 23 2019 00:25. Posts 34246


  On January 22 2019 15:26 Loco wrote:

doesn't equal racism in any commonly or academically understood definition of the word.



Playing dictionary again, what a surprise.



The SJW definiton of "prejudice + power" then a black man saying "Kill all white people" is not racist, but it takes some profoudn intellectual dishonesty to change the meaning of words to this vile extent I didn't think you would go this low tbh.





  It's funny because if I had asked you "Do you think a leading brand will release a vile, racist commercial in the near future?" one month ago, I'm sure you would have said "that would make no sense".



You would be sure and you would be wrong, I would have told you that In the west an ad being racist agains white people would be viable for some brands like Dove or other products who have gone to body-positive movements.


  But then again, maybe you are among those who think the white man is the most oppressed minority now and there is a lot of good money to be made going after him based on nothing but prejudice.



No I'm not, many statistics support that brown and black people fair worse in things like sentence lenghts and others, however I do believe that public racism against whites specifically is its only form socially acceptable by many people.


  That would be even more disconnected from reality as your previous conservative talking point that the Nazis were actually socialists.



I read your arguments against then I gave mine supporting them with the fascist economy article and you didn't reply yet you continue not only to believe this, but that anybody who disagrees is disconnected from reality.


  And if that wasn't enough, you now think I am being repeatedly dishonest. There is literally nothing I can do to make a conversation productive once my motives are already decided by the other person.



I've specified to what arguments and why I'm calling you intellectually dishonest, It's not just some generic ad-hominem that you can't defend.




 

Every single time that gender differences, feminism, and toxic masculinity were brought up, including now? I don't understand. Because you didn't write the word 'masculinity' suddenly this commercial has absolutely nothing to do with your views on masculinity and the way you feel that it is under attack?



I've said we are biologically different, I've never defended any role as virtuous or not, I've pointed out just differences.

Also that reminds me that you believe that interest differences between the genders are social constructs, but when I presented you with irrefutable evidence that the higher the gender equality the more traditional gender roles in career people took you just said, well i dont know and carried on believing the same thing, that is just another proof of your intellectual dishonesty and why you are a ideologue that ironically acuses me of being one

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 23 2019 00:54. Posts 34246


  On January 22 2019 18:27 Loco wrote:

According to this, the context is that "there was a small group of Black Hebrew Israelites in the area, exchanging escalating racial taunts with the students, and that he walked in-between the two groups because he feared for the safety of the Black Hebrew Israelites." They "closed in on him" and mocked him.



Black hebrew Israelites, the anti-semite group who considers jews impostors and that think whites are literal devils that deserve death or enslavement?

So a group of black hewbrew israelites are chanting saying racist things, literally yelling "we will destroy america" so he feared for these full grown men and decided to want IN the kid's group and bang a drum 1 inch from their faces to defuse the situation riiiiiiight.


(you can clearly see how the man walks to them, he isn't surrounded or harassed)


It's a bizarro world when people defend Black Hebrew Israelites from racism LOL, they are fucking maniacs who openly advocate for the genocide of jews and whites


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blackjacki2   United States. Jan 23 2019 02:10. Posts 2581

Native American dude was trying to martyr himself by triggering the white douchebags into doing something foolish so he could expose their true character.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/v...ovington-students-just-153137522.html

Seems like it's everyone else that got triggered


Baalim   Mexico. Jan 23 2019 03:23. Posts 34246

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 23 2019 03:25. Posts 34246



Turns out the guy is a liar and he isn't a vietnam vet and only served for 4 years lol.

In before "I dont owe you my time to discuss things" haha

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jan 23 2019 15:49. Posts 5108

I just asked a simple question !!!!!

:D 

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jan 23 2019 15:50. Posts 5108

No need to post Freddy Deeb gifs

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Loco   Canada. Jan 23 2019 16:38. Posts 20963


  On January 23 2019 01:10 blackjacki2 wrote:
Native American dude was trying to martyr himself by triggering the white douchebags into doing something foolish so he could expose their true character.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/v...ovington-students-just-153137522.html

Seems like it's everyone else that got triggered



What the hell are you talking about? Are you psychic? How do you come to guess that his motivation was to "trigger" people? There's nothing remotely indicative of that. There were religious bigots on both sides and tensions were escalating, he says he got in the middle to diffuse it, and there is no good reason to doubt that he is saying the truth. The true character of the religious bigots on both sides is on clear display in the full video, he didn't need to expose shit.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 23/01/2019 16:38

Loco   Canada. Jan 23 2019 16:53. Posts 20963


  On January 23 2019 02:25 Baalim wrote:


Turns out the guy is a liar and he isn't a vietnam vet and only served for 4 years lol.




This is a misquote. Try to be more careful where you source things?


  A careful reading of Mr. Phillips‘ own descriptions does not make clear if he ever set foot in Vietnam. Instead, he has used much more careful language claiming he is a “Vietnam times veteran,” an ambiguous phrasing that led many media accounts to conclude he was a combat veteran.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lips-vietnam-veteran-status-question/


  In before "I dont owe you my time to discuss things" haha



Now you are being wilfully stupid. Did you ask me to respond to your concerns about a specific issue here? No. Did you do it previously when I responded with that? Yes.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 23/01/2019 16:54

Loco   Canada. Jan 23 2019 17:08. Posts 20963


  On January 22 2019 23:54 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



Black hebrew Israelites, the anti-semite group who considers jews impostors and that think whites are literal devils that deserve death or enslavement?

So a group of black hewbrew israelites are chanting saying racist things, literally yelling "we will destroy america" so he feared for these full grown men and decided to want IN the kid's group and bang a drum 1 inch from their faces to defuse the situation riiiiiiight.
(you can clearly see how the man walks to them, he isn't surrounded or harassed)


It's a bizarro world when people defend Black Hebrew Israelites from racism LOL, they are fucking maniacs who openly advocate for the genocide of jews and whites





Why are you bolding this text as if it was particularly important? It seems a lot more important to pay attention to numbers than isolate one single criteria: the physical strength of an adult versus that of a teenager. How many teenagers does it take to overpower the average adult? It's pretty clear that that ratio is exceeded here quite significantly, and it's logical to think they could mess up the Israelites if they wanted to. Do you agree or disagree?



You've only shown that he walked towards them. No one was debating that point. What came next is what your 6 seconds video doesn't show. I have the full video. You can clearly see that after he walked in he is quickly being surrounded around 1h13m.

Please try to stick to facts rather than conjecture.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 23/01/2019 17:10

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Jan 23 2019 18:21. Posts 3093

I don't understand why this incident is getting coverage tbh. Or, I do, in a depressing way, but I don't understand why you guys are spending time on it.

at first it was a bunch of teenagers acting like jerks
then it was a bunch of liberals getting way, way too outraged on twitter (even compared to what the first footage was showing)
neither example showed anything really meaningful. There's nothing weird or surprising about a bunch of teenage boys being semi-jerks (full context provided they're still kinda jerks, much less than initially, but I'd be fairly disappointed in my own son if I saw him act like this, even knowing the full context) and ridiculing a person who confronts them, and there's nothing weird or surprising about there being lots of people on twitter who are dumb asshats - this is intrinsic to the medium (giving a platform to shout whatever short message you want to shout to any person who wants to shout it obviously leads to a bunch of stupid yelling), and has nothing to do with political leaning.

Using this as an example of racism against whites? Seriously? There's an element of 'anti-privileged-kid' to the kneejerk reaction, there's no meaningful 'anti-white' message being communicated.
I mean it seems like people like baal are seriously arguing that racism against whites is worse than racism against black people or muslims nowadays.. And I just don't know what to say to that. It's so far off.

(Yes, obviously if a black person says 'all white people should die' that is a racist statement. Equally obviously, it's worse if a person maintaining that opinion is in a position of power than if he or she is not. )

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Loco   Canada. Jan 23 2019 18:32. Posts 20963


  On January 22 2019 23:25 Baalim wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 22 2019 15:26 Loco wrote:

[quote]

Playing dictionary again, what a surprise.



The SJW definiton of "prejudice + power" then a black man saying "Kill all white people" is not racist, but it takes some profoudn intellectual dishonesty to change the meaning of words to this vile extent I didn't think you would go this low tbh.



Did I say 'dictionary definition'? No. You've conveniently changed the subject here, I said the commercial wasn't racist, and now you use that position to portray me as having defended the racism of black extremists involved in a separate situation. And that is another opportunity to say that I am dishonest (making my point that no conversation can be had with you anymore).





  You would be sure and you would be wrong, I would have told you that In the west an ad being racist agains white people would be viable for some brands like Dove or other products who have gone to body-positive movements.



Ok, I was wrong and I stand corrected.



  I read your arguments against then I gave mine supporting them with the fascist economy article and you didn't reply yet you continue not only to believe this, but that anybody who disagrees is disconnected from reality.



You read my arguments but did not address them, nor did you address the video with 300k views that I linked that addressed this and debunks the claims that you ended up making and which I did not respond to. You want a response? There is no nice way to say this: you are pushing far-right propaganda. The fact that you think you can use the New Economic Policy of Lenin to reveal the "incontrovertible fact" that the Nazis were socialists, all the while ignoring that Stalin got rid of this very policy, should say a lot about the way you think superficially about this. So is Stalin not a socialist then? There isn't one 'socialism', it can refer to vastly different regimes and policies, but when we understand that this is the case and we don't define it it is because we are using the most commonly understood definition of it: public ownership of the means of production. Such a state of affairs didn't exist under Hitler's Germany and he also happened to conveniently kill everyone on the left of him, gee, I wonder why. No chance they co-opted the word and a few socialist ideas to garner more support for their party. There is a scholarly consensus from historians on this, but there will always be those who will keep believing what they want to believe in because this is a post-truth era after all.



  I've specified to what arguments and why I'm calling you intellectually dishonest, It's not just some generic ad-hominem that you can't defend.



I don't care for your justifications? I didn't ask you why you did it. I simply stated the obvious: once you have decided that the person you are discussing things with is repeatedly dishonest, there is no where to go and no reason to ask them to respond to anything. Maybe you are right and you are a lot more self-aware than I am and I am a truly dishonest person. That doesn't change anything about the conclusion that debating any issue is now guaranteed to be one hundred percent pointless.




  I've said we are biologically different, I've never defended any role as virtuous or not, I've pointed out just differences.



No one thinks men and women aren't biologically different. You've pointed out what gender roles you think stem from biological differences, which means you're no longer in the realm of pure biology, because gender roles aren't about pure biology. Hence why we debated for hours about this.


  Also that reminds me that you believe that interest differences between the genders are social constructs, but when I presented you with irrefutable evidence that the higher the gender equality the more traditional gender roles in career people took you just said, well i dont know and carried on believing the same thing, that is just another proof of your intellectual dishonesty and why you are a ideologue that ironically acuses me of being one



"I declare myself the winner of this debate!" spoken like a 13 year old child. My memory tells me otherwise: I showed that you never posted "irrefutable evidence" that these results stemmed from biology and nothing else, and you even conceded to my point. I quote you: "If I said science has "proved this" I mispoke, what I mean is logic and evidence strongly points towards that". Now you say you did indeed post "Irrefutable evidence" .... which is basically the same thing as "science proved this". I maintain that there is no such consensus, in fact the position you laid out is quite controversial still in the social sciences that looks at this. That you think that the climate change consensus is less robust than this and we can just "trade studies that counter each other" on the topic of climate change says a lot about just how far deep into ideology you are and how little of a science education you have gotten. That's it for me.

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blackjacki2   United States. Jan 23 2019 18:59. Posts 2581


  On January 23 2019 15:38 Loco wrote:
Show nested quote +



What the hell are you talking about? Are you psychic? How do you come to guess that his motivation was to "trigger" people? There's nothing remotely indicative of that. There were religious bigots on both sides and tensions were escalating, he says he got in the middle to diffuse it, and there is no good reason to doubt that he is saying the truth. The true character of the religious bigots on both sides is on clear display in the full video, he didn't need to expose shit.


It makes no sense to think a group of kids are hate-filled, racist, religious bigots, and to simultaneously think that a minority marching up to them and beating a drum is a good way to diffuse tension. You can clearly see from the video that you posted that when he walked up to them the kids are kneeling, talking with themselves, and paying no attention to the other group. Then when he walks up to them they get hyped up and start yelling. So if his intention was to deescalate things it clearly had the opposite outcome.


  The true character of the religious bigots on both sides is on clear display in the full video, he didn't need to expose shit.



Would anyone be talking about this nonsense if he didn't do what he did?


 
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