I have already shown that he's not credible in my first post on him. His web presence is a joke. He's selling crap and only being interviewed by other crap-sellers and quacks. His credentials have nothing to do with nutrition. He's not even a full professor to boot and you think he's the authority of all authorities.
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On October 05 2017 23:04 Loco wrote:
I have already shown that he's not credible in my first post on him. His web presence is a joke. He's selling crap and only being interviewed by other crap-sellers and quacks. His credentials have nothing to do with nutrition. He's not even a full professor to boot and you think he's the authority of all authorities.
Your personal opinion about someone's website doesnt mean shit to me LOL
"Dom D'Agostino, Ph.D., is an assistant professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida Morsani College of Medicine, and a senior research scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC). He was also recently a crew member of the NASA NEEMO 22 project."
Its very easy, watch the pod cast and point out where he is wrong, why he is wrong and references to back up your points. (and not just list random books when you do that, but on point references)
On October 05 2017 23:04 Loco wrote:
I have already shown that he's not credible in my first post on him. His web presence is a joke. He's selling crap and only being interviewed by other crap-sellers and quacks. His credentials have nothing to do with nutrition. He's not even a full professor to boot and you think he's the authority of all authorities.
Your personal opinion about someone doesnt mean shit to me LOL
"Dom D'Agostino, Ph.D., is an assistant professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida Morsani College of Medicine, and a senior research scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC). He was also recently a crew member of the NASA NEEMO 22 project."
= Credible.
What do you have to show for ?
Ok, take my hand. Don't let go now. Since you can't figure this out on your own, we'll go there together.
Over 75 top nutrition scientists and medical experts gathered in Boston in October 2015 at the Finding Common Ground Conference (link is external), convened by the non-profit Oldways (link is external) to try to agree on principles for a healthy diet (primarily aimed at a U.S. audience).
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As stated by Dr. Willett: "the foods that define a healthy diet include abundant fruits, vegetables, nuts, whole grains, legumes and minimal amounts of refined starch, sugar and red meat, especially keeping processed red meat intake low."
Who is the Dr. Willett fellow? How can he be so ignorant of the benefits of keto? Surely his credentials pale in comparison to our buddies Schmidt and D'Agostino. Let's see:
Schmidt: Scientologist and chiropractor.
Dom D'Agostino: an assistant professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida Morsani College of Medicine, and a senior research scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC). He was also recently a crew member of the NASA NEEMO 22 project.
Willet:
Walter C. Willett, M.D., Dr. P.H., is Professor of Epidemiology and Nutrition at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Willett studied food science at Michigan State University, and graduated from the University of Michigan Medical School before obtaining a Masters and Doctorate in Public Health from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Dr. Willett has focused much of his work over the last 40 years on the development and evaluation of methods, using both questionnaire and biochemical approaches, to study the effects of diet on the occurrence of major diseases. He has applied these methods starting in 1980 in the Nurses’ Health Studies I and II and the Health Professionals Follow-up Study. Together, these cohorts that include nearly 300,000 men and women with repeated dietary assessments, are providing the most detailed information on the long-term health consequences of food choices.
Dr. Willett has published over 1,700 original research papers and reviews, primarily on lifestyle risk factors for heart disease, cancer, and other conditions and has written the textbook, Nutritional Epidemiology, published by Oxford University Press, now in its third edition. He also has written four books for the general public. Dr. Willett is the most cited nutritionist internationally. He is a member of the National Academy of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences and the recipient of many national and international awards for his research.
Selected Awards and Honors
1970, Summa Cum Laude, University of Michigan Medical School
1994, Distinguished Alumnus Award, Michigan State University
1994, American Cancer Society Cancer Prevention Award
1996, Distinguished Achievement Award, American Society for Preventive Oncology
1996, John Snow Award, APHA
1998, National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine
2000, AACR-ACS Award for Research Excellence in Cancer Epidemiology and Prevention
2001, The Charles S. Mott Prize. General Motors Cancer Research Foundation
2003, Linus Pauling Institute Prize for Health Research
2003, Linus Pauling Functional Medicine Award
2003, Association of American Medical Colleges 2003 David E. Rogers Award
2003, Komen Foundation’s Brinker Award for Scientific Distinction
2004, Honda Prize for Echo-Technology
2005, Bristol Myers Squibb/Mead Johnson Award for Distinguished Achievement in Nutrition Research
2005, Medal of Honor, American Cancer Society
2006, Harvard School of Public Health Alumni Award of Merit
2006, Ancel Keys Lecturer, American Heart Association
2007, University of Michigan Alumni Achievement Award
2008, Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
2011, Fellow, The American Society for Nutrition
2012, International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) Medal of Honour
2012, Seelig Magnesium Award 2012
2014, Bloomberg Manulife Prize for the Promotion of Active Health, McGill University
Education
M.D., 1970, University of Michigan Medical School
M.P.H. 1973, Harvard School of Public Health
Dr.P.H., 1980, Harvard School of Public Health, Epidemiology
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"As stated by Dr. Willett: "the foods that define a healthy diet include abundant fruits, vegetables, nuts, whole grains, legumes and minimal amounts of refined starch, sugar and red meat, especially keeping processed red meat intake low."
This is not necessarily wrong. If most people made this transition (from eating ton of refined sugars, white bread, white pasta, white rice, junk food) we would see a lot of healthy benefits for the public.
I just took it some steps further. What I did would be too extreme to recommend to the general public because most people would not be willing to do it. If I did not have a bet to win I would not go 12 days fasting, but do intermediant fasting like 16-20 hour fasts between meals (the health benefit is well documented, there are just some doubts how willingly people are to do so)
Where does it say Dr.Willet is against fasting f.example ?
"The public is confused about nutrition. Who is most to blame?
I think there's lots of blame to go around in this situation. First of all, the academic community has told people that they should do one thing -- say, avoid eggs, or eat lots of margarine -- when the evidence was really very minimal, in fact almost nonexistent in some situations. But yet it was presented as though this was the absolute truth. Then when science does move forward, gets some concrete evidence, sometimes it doesn't confirm what people are told, and there's obviously going to be some confusion generating out of that. Some of that's inevitable as part of the scientific process."
On October 05 2017 23:12 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Its very easy, watch the pod cast and point out where he is wrong, why he is wrong and references to back up your points. (and not just list random books when you do that, but on point references)
Ray Cronise advocates a whole foods, plant-based diet. He's also into fasting (hey, you have common grounds!). He's also worked with NASA (that credential seems to be worth a lot to you). He thinks keto diets are terrible. Can you prove him wrong?????????
It's really easy. Just listen to the podcast, point out where he is wrong, why is he wrong, with references to back up your points.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On October 05 2017 23:12 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Its very easy, watch the pod cast and point out where he is wrong, why he is wrong and references to back up your points. (and not just list random books when you do that, but on point references)
Ray Cronise advocates a whole foods, plant-based diet. He's also into fasting (hey, you have common grounds!). He's also worked with NASA (that credential seems to be worth a lot to you). He thinks keto diets are terrible. Can you prove him wrong?????????
It's really easy. Just listen to the podcast, point out where he is wrong, why is he wrong, with references to back up your points.
Your analogy would be good if I acctually had attacked Ray Cronise somewhere...
I cant remember doing that.
If people want to be Vegan its totally fine with me. And I can understand why too ! Vegetables tastes fucking good after a 12 days fast...
On October 05 2017 23:24 VanDerMeyde wrote:
"As stated by Dr. Willett: "the foods that define a healthy diet include abundant fruits, vegetables, nuts, whole grains, legumes and minimal amounts of refined starch, sugar and red meat, especially keeping processed red meat intake low."
This is not necessarily wrong. If most people made this transition (from eating ton of refined sugars, white bread, white pasta, white rice, junk food) we would see a lot of healthy benefits for the public.
I just took it some steps further. What I did would be too extreme to recommend to the general public because most people would not be willing to do it. If I did not have a bet to win I would not go 12 days fasting, but do intermediant fasting like 16-20 hour fasts between meals (the health benefit is well documented, there are just some doubts how willingly people are to do so)
Where does it say Dr.Willet is against fasting f.example ?
"The public is confused about nutrition. Who is most to blame?
I think there's lots of blame to go around in this situation. First of all, the academic community has told people that they should do one thing -- say, avoid eggs, or eat lots of margarine -- when the evidence was really very minimal, in fact almost nonexistent in some situations. But yet it was presented as though this was the absolute truth. Then when science does move forward, gets some concrete evidence, sometimes it doesn't confirm what people are told, and there's obviously going to be some confusion generating out of that. Some of that's inevitable as part of the scientific process."
I totally agree.... What was ur point here ?
How the fuck did you "take it a step further"?!? wat? Let's be logical: taking it a step further is eating mostly foods that are listed as healthiest & to be eaten in abundance. How the fuck do you "totally agree"? These foods are high in carbohydrates. You advocate low carb. Do I need to start drawing pictures for you to get it or what? Look at what you've had for breakfast again. Was that abundant in fruits, vegetables, nuts, whole grains, legumes? Did you also avoid red meat, especially processed red meats, as he recommends? No, you ate the worst possible type: bacon. And you came here preaching about how good it is for your weight loss. ????
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All I said is, I dont think his advice is bad for the general public at all. I totally get it.
The average guy eats white bread, pasta, rice, ton of sugar, junkfood etc. So the logical thing for someone working in the government is to try to lean the public into the direction of "whole grain, fruits instead of sugars, healthy fats etc" like mediterranaen diet. Acctually your expert reminds me a lot of someone we have in Norway, his name is "Fedon Lindberg". He was also attacked for telling people to eat less potaoes here in the beginning of 2000's.
While this diet may have more carbs that the diet I am eating right now, it would be less than the 400 gram carbs / day that is average now.
"So when people were told to switch from butter to margarine?
Unfortunately, as a physician back in the 1980s, I was telling people that they should replace butter with margarine because it was cholesterol free, and professional organizations like the American Heart Association were telling us as physicians that we should be promoting this. In reality, there was never any evidence that these margarines, that were high in trans fat, were any better than butter, and as it turned out, they were actually far worse than butter."
Your expert really should educate some low-fat "experts" in Norway that advocates margarin over butter I like Walter C. Willett a lot, I dont think his advice is bad - its a step in the right direction and probably the right step to take, he is humble and fair enough to admit previous mistakes he made in his career. I think a lot of people has a lot to learn from him. Included you, Loco !
I never said that my fasting strategy with 12 days fast etc should be advocated for EVERYONE. But there is strong evidence that shows fasting is terapautic for poor health. The problem is not many are willing to do it and a lot of people freak out just by hearing the word "fast"...
I think you were assuming that because you attack everyone you personally disagree with that I would attack other people with diet choices / advices that differs from mine.
Oh, please just stop already. You posted a video of a keto "expert" promoting keto, you promoted him as one of the best experts on diet and health, I challenged you on it with Dr. Willett, and now you're pretending like you were just arguing about your "fasting strategy" this whole time. I also debunked your idea that your keto diet is taking Willett's advice to the "next level" and you've had nothing to say about it except change the subject to trans fats vs saturated fat debate which has nothing to do with the conversation. This isn't going anywhere. Enjoy your diet and please stop PMing me, I'm not reading any of it. Nothing personal, but you have a lot to learn before you can have a productive discussion on nutrition.
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On October 06 2017 00:01 Loco wrote:
Oh, please just stop already. You posted a video of a keto "expert" promoting keto, you promoted him as one of the best experts on diet and health, I challenged you on it with Dr. Willet, and now you're pretending like you were just arguing about your "fasting strategy" this whole time. I also debunked your idea that your keto diet is taking Willett's advice to the "next level" and you've had nothing to say on it except change the subject to trans fats vs saturated fat debate which has nothing to do with the conversation.
I really dont see why I have to disagree with Dr.Willet's advice for the majority of people Loco.
I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that when the goverment gives advice for the public there are other factors involved than the factors involved when I make a diet FOR ME.
You see ghosts
This whole thing was about you attacking the people I choose to follow for my personal health and my personal goal to win a bet... I cant remember ever saying that the factors involved in winning such a bet should be the same factors for creating advice or a diet for the general public. Maybe you can show me where I did that ?
Again, you're confused. His advice applies to you. He advocates that people (you're a person, aren't you?) eat more healthy plant foods (carbohydrate-rich foods). You've went the other way and adopted a diet that's extremely restricted in carbohydrates. So it's impossible for you to eat an abundance of these foods. Ergo, you're not following his advice. It doesn't matter if you're not eating the refined carbs. You're not following his advice, and that advice that applies to you. You've shown zero evidence as to why his advice doesn't apply to you.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On October 06 2017 00:01 Loco wrote:
Oh, please just stop already. You posted a video of a keto "expert" promoting keto, you promoted him as one of the best experts on diet and health, I challenged you on it with Dr. Willet, and now you're pretending like you were just arguing about your "fasting strategy" this whole time. I also debunked your idea that your keto diet is taking Willett's advice to the "next level" and you've had nothing to say on it except change the subject to trans fats vs saturated fat debate which has nothing to do with the conversation.
This whole thing was about you attacking the people I choose to follow for my personal health and my personal goal to win a bet... I cant remember ever saying that the factors involved in winning such a bet should be the same factors for creating advice or a diet for the general public. Maybe you can show me where I did that ?
Now you're just being disingenuous. You didn't have to explicitly say those things. It was enough that you came here and pushed a keto diet agenda. You've even PM'd me saying that "it's not healthy to be a [glucose] burner". You wouldn't have said that if this was just about a bet. You had clearly swallowed the keto hook, line and sinker, and now this is your attempt at back-peddling.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
"eat more healthy plant foods (carbohydrate-rich foods)"
Thats incorrect. Check out carb/100 in Cucumber, salads, paprica, tomatoes, onion, olives etc ec. Not that high !
Anyway, where is his complete plan and where does it say it applies for EVERYONE ?
I already explained why his advice for people that eat a lot of white bread, pasta, rice sugar and junk food is great. But it doesnt apply to me or my bet obviously...
On October 06 2017 00:01 Loco wrote:
Oh, please just stop already. You posted a video of a keto "expert" promoting keto, you promoted him as one of the best experts on diet and health, I challenged you on it with Dr. Willet, and now you're pretending like you were just arguing about your "fasting strategy" this whole time. I also debunked your idea that your keto diet is taking Willett's advice to the "next level" and you've had nothing to say on it except change the subject to trans fats vs saturated fat debate which has nothing to do with the conversation.
This whole thing was about you attacking the people I choose to follow for my personal health and my personal goal to win a bet... I cant remember ever saying that the factors involved in winning such a bet should be the same factors for creating advice or a diet for the general public. Maybe you can show me where I did that ?
Now you're just being disingenuine. You didn't have to explicitly say those things. It was enough that you came here and pushed a keto diet agenda. You've even PM'd me saying that "it's not healthy to be a [glucose] burner". You wouldn't have said that if this was just about a bet. You had clearly swallowed the keto hook, line and sinker, and now this is your attempt at back-peddling.
Not at all. Its healthy to mix i up. The human body can adapt very easily from burning fat to burning sugar to burning fat again... For our ancestors it was decided by season... During long winters, maybe days without any food we had to be able to adapt to beeing a "fat burner mode" / Ketosis mode... or we would not survive to this day. Why is it balanced to be a sugar burner your entire life ? Can you show me studies that proves it ?
On October 06 2017 00:10 Loco wrote:
He advocates that people (you're a person, aren't you?) eat more healthy plant foods (carbohydrate-rich foods). You've shown zero evidence as to why his advice doesn't apply to you.
Following this retoric, anyone that is not exercising 30 minutes per day has an agenda towards the goverment... And has to show why they know better. I know top athletes that doesnt follow Dr. Willets advice eighter. For example famous Petter Northug here eats ton of sugars, tons of refined carbohydrates.. These atheletes should prove why they know better ? or why the people they choose to follow know better ? Obviously his advice doesnt apply for EVERYONE. But I still think his advice are good FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC... You see the difference ?
I think you are really confused about how life works. I think you have a lot more to learn from Dr.Willet than I have.
Go to the video I posted at ~22:15. Listen carefully until ~25:30. Pay very good attention. Replay it 3 or 4 times if needed. You might hate my guts, but listen to it anyway. It might end up saving your life.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I get a lot of fiber from vegetables, so the point is ? And I agree completly everything I heard so far about what they said about fasting... (not gonna watch entire clip thou)
(Thanks for caring so much about me getting all the nurition I need, its really touching..)
I like Walter C. Willett a lot, I dont think his advice is bad - its a step in the right direction and probably the right step to take, he is humble and fair enough to admit previous mistakes he made in his career. I think a lot of people has a lot to learn from him. Included you, Loco !
