I love how you go with the border argument still. The denial is real. Love how you think that the native population wants to be the one doing the cheap labor instead of the migrants. Love how you just throw out complete bullshit speculation about the Central Bank failing as if they are some kind of facts. Chances of EU's central bank collapsing are the same as the Federal Reserve failing, everybody thinks its eventually bound to happen, never actually will.
Meanwhile UK's law on requirements for a new possible referendum is gathering 100k + people. Already 420k have signed and the parliament might call a new referendum. That would be perfect considering the #brexit party got exposed with its lies right after the vote.
And that is exactly how a visceral argument looks like, use all the stupid buzzwords, socialist, dictatorship, welfare state and not list a single positive thing for remaining in the EU.
It surprises me how people cannot see their own bias no matter how blatant it is.
On June 24 2016 15:49 soberstone wrote:
As if free trade can't be accomplished between sovereign nations and borders are a bad thing. So absurd.
It can and it did in Europe before the EU, however the EU has to show the rest of europe what happens when you leave, so they are going to make an example out of Britain.
We dont like taking orders from brussel dictators thank you.
"Make an example", first we will have Nexit and Frexit mate. Eventually there will be only Angela Merkel left. Germany will not be able to ruin Europa a third time at this moment
dont like taking orders from Brussel dictators, first of all you dont know what is a dictator, second that is not an argument, the main arguments for leaving or staying in the EU should be economical, all these sovereignty, nationalism and immigration arguments are traps for easily manipulated fools.
And maybe they leave in the future, maybe they wont, but for the time being the EU will absolutely trash Britain in an attempt to stop anyone else from leaving.
Its funny when people argue from emotion, we wont take orders from nobody! dictators marxists bla bla bla, think in terms of pros and cons, on how the economy and society will be affected by either choice, be rational and pragmatical for a change.
Yes very funny indeed. EU should be working for the working class, not the big companies and top 1%. In countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Ukraine etc its STILL normal sallary f 500 euro per month... Good changes would mean doing something about that. Not let the same criminal mafia companies that pays 500e/month enter Norway and pay their drivers 1e/10kilometer for driving 50 ton trucks here and as a direct result ruin all the norwegian companies that threat their drivers just fine and went by the Law. Not just for truckers, but for so many industries... Well i guess not politicians. The day latvians show up and want to do the same job as the politcians for 1/3 or 1/4 of the sallary THEN i think politicians even here would react. Yes, the brussel dictators (we never voted for them!) keep passing ton of bills to make it too complicated for everyone and especially small businesses starting up to realistically have any real success. And if any Norwegian politician want to make some good change, they have to hire laywers and take forever because that means looking through 1000's of EU Directives first to see if that change is even possible. Good changes for the criminals, the rich and the already big companies.
No thnx, EU countries been trading for 1000's of years and will still keep trading after EU falls.
The day your company got fucked like how mine got fucked maybe you could comprehend that something working for U.S doesnt mean it should be implemented in Europe. (I think EU is far worse thou. And I dont get why you think the U.S system would be so great)
Only if there was some kind of institution protecting the developed countries from such price dumping in the EU hmmm hmm hmmm
Only if there were requirements to get benefits even if you are EU migrant in every country
Only if all data showed that the same countries actually need that same labor
Only if you werent tunnel visioned.
Scotland will most likely go to a referendum for independence again, as the one from two years ago failed only because they wanted to stay in the EU. Now nothing is keeping them in the UK especially considering they voted for BRemain. So bye bye UK
If you voted out because of "unelected politicians" then well done because we're about to get an unelected prime minister.
If you voted out because of immigration then well done, because you just lost the right of free movement too. Just wait 'til you have to get a visa to go to Glasgow or Belfast.
If you voted out because people were "stealing your jobs" then well done, because you're about to see Germany and France "steal" Nissan and a bunch of other companies who only manufacture here as a gateway to the eu market.
If you voted out because you think we'll get a great trade deal with the EEA "like Norway did", think again. Take a look around your Sainsbury's Local and try and find any fruit and veg that's grown in the UK. We need them more than they need us, and like the EEA, we'll have to accept EU policies like free movement as part of a trade deal anyway - except now we won't be able to have any say in them.
If you voted out because of vague scaremongering headlines like "Migrant Crisis" then please, feel free to remind me when it was that Syria joined the EU.
If you voted out because Farage promised £350m for the NHS, then I'm sure you'll be happy to watch him on This Morning revealing that that was a lie.
If you voted out and you're heading into retirement, then great job! Because now the working people of this nation will break their backs to afford your pension without the influx of young, economically active and skilled EU migrants.
If you voted out because you think we'll be better off, the £ has just fallen by 8% against the dollar.
And if you voted out because you love this country, prepare to see it crumble, with threats of a unified Ireland and an independent Scotland just hours after the result was confirmed.
Well done, Britain.
In b4 "Recession is necessary for Britain to purge itself for a better future"
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
i dunno how it works in europe but in brazil if someone asks for asylum and they leave brazil after the application, they insta lose it.
-edit this is a response to a couple posts in the 2nd page btw, seems out of context now
here one side of the propaganda wars, to give you an idea how wonderful it is for Brits to stay
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qwerty67890 New Zealand. Jun 26 2016 03:24. Posts 14026
f you voted out because of "unelected politicians" then well done because we're about to get an unelected prime minister.
People don't elect a prime minister in England.
From parliament uk website.
"Can I vote for a new Prime Minister?
No. You can only vote to elect your local MP in a general election. Even if you live in the constituency represented by the current Prime Minister or the leader of another political party, you are still only voting on whether he or she will be your local MP in the next Parliament."
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JohnnyBologna United States. Jun 26 2016 06:56. Posts 1401
im guessing most the people that voted out are unhappy or tired of their miserable lives and wanted change. either that or they were tired of the EUs crap. kinda like how trump is with america lol. the irony of this world
It's just hilarious people who aren't even from the U.K. are the ones mostly angry and are demanding another crack at second leave or remain vote.
All over the web, mainstream media is pointing out how wrong they are and telling the world most of the voters "regret" their decision. If that isn't an indication of what the regressive left is I don't know what is. It's almost unreal how much control the left has and has simply reduced the discussion between racism(again) vs tolerance, since that hasn't worked they now focus on economics and how the world will end because of it.
If supposing another referendum happens and they indeed reverse the outcome (mostly again by a slim margin) what do you think WILL surely happen with the UK? Now you have half the population pissed off and feeling blatantly cheated and strongarmed by the EU to eat shit, that's exactly why they voted out in the first place.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 26 2016 08:22. Posts 5297
Books written by economist yanis varoufakis have interesting insight into how the eu got into this mess. I have no opinion on brexit, hard to find a rational argument on the topic
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
On June 26 2016 05:56 JohnnyBologna wrote:
im guessing most the people that voted out are unhappy or tired of their miserable lives and wanted change. either that or they were tired of the EUs crap. kinda like how trump is with america lol. the irony of this world
Yeah I think people trend to project their life projections and simply vote for something drastically new, the sentiment is usually exploited by demagoges from the far extremes of the political espectrum, the crazy left in latin america with people like Chavez, and in the 1st world they are spiraling to a cycle of far right with Trump and in a future Europe
On June 26 2016 07:22 Stroggoz wrote:
Books written by economist yanis varoufakis have interesting insight into how the eu got into this mess. I have no opinion on brexit, hard to find a rational argument on the topic
Didn't Varoufakis and Tsipras get elected only to disappoint ? People of Greece voted basically for not getting a worse economy than they had (which in itself was ridiculous to begin with).
On June 26 2016 05:56 JohnnyBologna wrote:
im guessing most the people that voted out are unhappy or tired of their miserable lives and wanted change. either that or they were tired of the EUs crap. kinda like how trump is with america lol. the irony of this world
Yeah I think people trend to project their life projections and simply vote for something drastically new, the sentiment is usually exploited by demagoges from the far extremes of the political espectrum, the crazy left in latin america with people like Chavez, and in the 1st world they are spiraling to a cycle of far right with Trump and in a future Europe
And why do you think people suddenly started to vote for Trump, SD, Marine Le Pen etc etc all over the western world ?
