Game of Thrones: Season 6 - Page 9

drooling buffoons? lol kind of a harsh way to describe the exec producers of the most watched show on HBO (and most pirated show worldwide). they're at the very top of their field. what have you accomplished lately?

Pretty sure there was somewhere mentioned in the books that Hodor went into the Winterfell crypt and came out a cripple, so yeah I doubt it goes the same way in the books.

Winds of winter will surely come out, as far as rumours go it should be published by the end of the year, or at least a date should be set. Considering series loose ends amount to probably 40% of all loose ends he has tons of work to do. I also doubt we have a conclusive ending as the whole concept of the series is that " the game of thrones " has always been and always will be, best case scenario they demolish the white walkers and reset the whole cycle.

On May 25 2016 14:25 Spitfiree wrote: Pretty sure there was somewhere mentioned in the books that Hodor went into the Winterfell crypt and came out a cripple, so yeah I doubt it goes the same way in the books.

Nah, not in the books. Prob a fan theory because Bran asked Hodor to take him to the crypts, but Hodor refused bc he was afraid, so Osha had to take him.

On May 25 2016 13:59 Jelle wrote: Jesus grrm is a boss his fringe side characters are better planned out and more interesting than competitors' story I don't care much for all the inception stuff but it resonates with me that hodor's entire life was as a thrall to brandon stark. The "good guys" are still a noble family and the noble families are built on the exploitation of others. The only thing hodor ever does in the entire story is take commands, work selflessly and hard and get mocked for his stupidity. He's basically the GOT equivalent of black slavery. "He's never gonna learn to use a sword because he's a stableboy" sums up his life the only thing more tragic than hodor's plot is that grrm couldn't reveal it himself and had to leave it to those drooling buffoons from the tv show btw how many of you still doubt that grrm has his shit together and will tie up all of the 10000000000000 loose ends into a worthy ending? this man is on another level if only he can avoid getting slain by philly cheese steaks b4 he gets there

Its interesting to note that the Starks ruled for thousands of years extracting tribute in the North but apparently serfs never questioned that relationship?, in reality it usually requires mass scale violence to maintain a master servant relationship like that in history, and this is almost always accompanied by a dehumanized view of peasants as inferior things.

I think the story is more that eddard is just a very unusual guy who feels that strongly about justice (and even then in his sense of justice it still involves decapitating a traumatised guy who deserts the wall because them's the rules). This is partially explained by eddard being a younger son; he was meant to follow his older brother brandon's lead

if you hear about the starks of history a lot of them were as vicious as you describe. I'm sure a lot of them do feel peasants are inferior things

On May 25 2016 14:16 Romm3l wrote: drooling buffoons? lol kind of a harsh way to describe the exec producers of the most watched show on HBO (and most pirated show worldwide). they're at the very top of their field. what have you accomplished lately?

u give the wrong person credit for that

here is a scene from season 6 episode 4 to highlight your "top of their field" guys' sick skills when they're on their own. I liked the tv show in season 1 but this tilts me to no end
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jelle why do you think that this scene sucks so much?
I think there are far worse scenes if you're to blame the producers for things that aren't in the books

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On May 26 2016 19:58 lebowski wrote: jelle why do you think that this scene sucks so much? I think there are far worse scenes if you're to blame the producers for things that aren't in the books

I don't nescessarily hate them for adapting the books, as long as they don't fuck it up horribly. For example I don't mind them changing arthur dayne's fighting style to 2-handed, that seems like a detail to me and it allowed them to do some more impressive action scene. (even in that scene though they weirdly change lines like "We weren't there" / "Woe to the usurper if we had been" to "We weren't there" / "Your friend the Usurper would lie beneath the ground if we had been". How the fuck do they convince themselves that their line is so much better that they have to change it? "Woe to the usurper if we had been" is too difficult to understand or what?)

for me that dany "lol i burn u" scene just felt completely wrong/unbelievable and like a pointless rehash of daenerys' previous story. Also the dialogue where she makes a bold claim and everyone laughs at her was like standard anime fare. I can never quite put my finger exactly one why, but I just feel my immersion is broken and become very aware that I'm watching a fabricated story. When I like a scene I'm not thinking about producers or cameras. Luckily for me, this time a youtube user did a very good job pointing out a bunch of reasons why it blows

not going to link to his channel because its ultra spoiler heavy but his points
-> They need to escape but daenerys has "a better plan"
-> Why doesn't any khal just snap her neck? shes slow as fuck
-> Why is Dany so confident? Her plan is to knock over a brazier. Lol. She makes a huge point out of insulting them to the max before killing them for badassery points as if her plan could never fail in a million years
-> How does she know the brazier is not bolted to the floor?
-> How does she know that these fearless warriors will panic, allowing her to slowly knock over the other braziers?
-> How does a brazier contain enough oil for it to spread like wildfire upstairs? All of a sudden danaerys is a pyromancer?
-> Why don't they just escape through one of the shoddy wooden windows?
-> How does Dany even know that she is invulnerable to fire? She survived khal drogo's pyre but there was a maegi and dragons there... she has no doubt whatsoever?
-> Why is Dany's hair held up perfectly after she emerges from the fire? Because she has an unburnable hairband
-> How does she know that to a man all of the 50,000 dothraki warriors will suddenly worship her like a goddess? Any one of them could walk over and stab her
-> Jorah's and Daario's role is to lock the door. lol
-> How is it reasonable to let that dothraki girl go and trust her when you're about to burn the leaders of her culture alive?


but yes I agree with you that sadly there are many even worse scenes especially in season 5 (i think season 6 is better than 5 at least) I just wanted to give an example.

Something like the hairband may seem like nitpicking but this is basically their job. The brilliant story is already there, they need to convey it on screen as well as possible. Instead they fabricate needless stuff and make massive blunders

Those seem like fair criticisms to make. That's why I thought the scene was bad as well. The show, book dany also suffers from white savior complex. White noble woman freeing the slaves lol. There are rare people like that from history but they've never received any institutional support from their own class.

On May 27 2016 00:26 Jelle wrote: Show nested quote + On May 26 2016 19:58 lebowski wrote: jelle why do you think that this scene sucks so much? I think there are far worse scenes if you're to blame the producers for things that aren't in the books I don't nescessarily hate them for adapting the books, as long as they don't fuck it up horribly. For example I don't mind them changing arthur dayne's fighting style to 2-handed, that seems like a detail to me and it allowed them to do some more impressive action scene. (even in that scene though they weirdly change lines like "We weren't there" / "Woe to the usurper if we had been" to "We weren't there" / "Your friend the Usurper would lie beneath the ground if we had been". How the fuck do they convince themselves that their line is so much better that they have to change it? "Woe to the usurper if we had been" is too difficult to understand or what?) for me that dany "lol i burn u" scene just felt completely wrong/unbelievable and like a pointless rehash of daenerys' previous story. Also the dialogue where she makes a bold claim and everyone laughs at her was like standard anime fare. I can never quite put my finger exactly one why, but I just feel my immersion is broken and become very aware that I'm watching a fabricated story. When I like a scene I'm not thinking about producers or cameras. Luckily for me, this time a youtube user did a very good job pointing out a bunch of reasons why it blows not going to link to his channel because its ultra spoiler heavy but his points -> They need to escape but daenerys has "a better plan" -> Why doesn't any khal just snap her neck? shes slow as fuck -> Why is Dany so confident? Her plan is to knock over a brazier. Lol. She makes a huge point out of insulting them to the max before killing them for badassery points as if her plan could never fail in a million years -> How does she know the brazier is not bolted to the floor? -> How does she know that these fearless warriors will panic, allowing her to slowly knock over the other braziers? -> How does a brazier contain enough oil for it to spread like wildfire upstairs? All of a sudden danaerys is a pyromancer? -> Why don't they just escape through one of the shoddy wooden windows? -> How does Dany even know that she is invulnerable to fire? She survived khal drogo's pyre but there was a maegi and dragons there... she has no doubt whatsoever? -> Why is Dany's hair held up perfectly after she emerges from the fire? Because she has an unburnable hairband -> How does she know that to a man all of the 50,000 dothraki warriors will suddenly worship her like a goddess? Any one of them could walk over and stab her -> Jorah's and Daario's role is to lock the door. lol -> How is it reasonable to let that dothraki girl go and trust her when you're about to burn the leaders of her culture alive? but yes I agree with you that sadly there are many even worse scenes especially in season 5 (i think season 6 is better than 5 at least) I just wanted to give an example. Something like the hairband may seem like nitpicking but this is basically their job. The brilliant story is already there, they need to convey it on screen as well as possible. Instead they fabricate needless stuff and make massive blunders

it's not easy to objectively debate the subtle nuance of what is and isn't considered believable in a story with dragons, zombies, necromancers and people who come back to life thanks to magic. rather than look at what does and doesn't please diehard book fanboys i prefer to judge the producers' success by their impact on hbo's revenues and time warner's share price performance. they are doing their job outstandingly well on these metrics and giving the great unwashed masses who love broad entertainment what they want. how is it not obvious that when a show portrays a scene with a powerful woman who refuses to be subjugated by patriarchy and instead coldly murders the men who were just talking about taking turns raping her - that is exactly the kind of thing audiences will lap up in droves?

i just don't understand what goes through the minds of people who feel entitled to watch a show that exactly meets their requirements for what should be considered good, and become angered enough to hurl abuse at producers if this requirement is not met.

hey hey
im a diehard book fanboy and i disagree with 80% of what he said :D
if you think too hard about any tv production there will be tons of holes

they're doing a great job this season after a somewhat dumb last season

also we can only compare books to show when it comes down to the storyline, thats as far as it can go, books will always win considering they give a much wider perspective and allow ur fantasy to work, you just cant do that in a tv show

On May 27 2016 09:31 Romm3l wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2016 00:26 Jelle wrote:   On May 26 2016 19:58 lebowski wrote: jelle why do you think that this scene sucks so much? I think there are far worse scenes if you're to blame the producers for things that aren't in the books I don't nescessarily hate them for adapting the books, as long as they don't fuck it up horribly. For example I don't mind them changing arthur dayne's fighting style to 2-handed, that seems like a detail to me and it allowed them to do some more impressive action scene. (even in that scene though they weirdly change lines like "We weren't there" / "Woe to the usurper if we had been" to "We weren't there" / "Your friend the Usurper would lie beneath the ground if we had been". How the fuck do they convince themselves that their line is so much better that they have to change it? "Woe to the usurper if we had been" is too difficult to understand or what?) for me that dany "lol i burn u" scene just felt completely wrong/unbelievable and like a pointless rehash of daenerys' previous story. Also the dialogue where she makes a bold claim and everyone laughs at her was like standard anime fare. I can never quite put my finger exactly one why, but I just feel my immersion is broken and become very aware that I'm watching a fabricated story. When I like a scene I'm not thinking about producers or cameras. Luckily for me, this time a youtube user did a very good job pointing out a bunch of reasons why it blows not going to link to his channel because its ultra spoiler heavy but his points -> They need to escape but daenerys has "a better plan" -> Why doesn't any khal just snap her neck? shes slow as fuck -> Why is Dany so confident? Her plan is to knock over a brazier. Lol. She makes a huge point out of insulting them to the max before killing them for badassery points as if her plan could never fail in a million years -> How does she know the brazier is not bolted to the floor? -> How does she know that these fearless warriors will panic, allowing her to slowly knock over the other braziers? -> How does a brazier contain enough oil for it to spread like wildfire upstairs? All of a sudden danaerys is a pyromancer? -> Why don't they just escape through one of the shoddy wooden windows? -> How does Dany even know that she is invulnerable to fire? She survived khal drogo's pyre but there was a maegi and dragons there... she has no doubt whatsoever? -> Why is Dany's hair held up perfectly after she emerges from the fire? Because she has an unburnable hairband -> How does she know that to a man all of the 50,000 dothraki warriors will suddenly worship her like a goddess? Any one of them could walk over and stab her -> Jorah's and Daario's role is to lock the door. lol -> How is it reasonable to let that dothraki girl go and trust her when you're about to burn the leaders of her culture alive? but yes I agree with you that sadly there are many even worse scenes especially in season 5 (i think season 6 is better than 5 at least) I just wanted to give an example. Something like the hairband may seem like nitpicking but this is basically their job. The brilliant story is already there, they need to convey it on screen as well as possible. Instead they fabricate needless stuff and make massive blunders it's not easy to objectively debate the subtle nuance of what is and isn't considered believable in a story with dragons, zombies, necromancers and people who come back to life thanks to magic. rather than look at what does and doesn't please diehard book fanboys i prefer to judge the producers' success by their impact on hbo's revenues and time warner's share price performance. they are doing their job outstandingly well on these metrics and giving the great unwashed masses who love broad entertainment what they want. how is it not obvious that when a show portrays a scene with a powerful woman who refuses to be subjugated by patriarchy and instead coldly murders the men who were just talking about taking turns raping her - that is exactly the kind of thing audiences will lap up in droves? i just don't understand what goes through the minds of people who feel entitled to watch a show that exactly meets their requirements for what should be considered good, and become angered enough to hurl abuse at producers if this requirement is not met.

To be completely fair, I think a lot of those bullet points could be easily addressed. The other young Khaleesi she befriended before bumping into Jorah and Dario had access to that building and could have done a lot of the prep work to make sure that place would light up instantly. Seems simple enough imo.

As for other subtle/major changes, GRRM writes books, DD direct TV. Some things work better in books, while some things work better on TV. I have no experience in either, so I can't justify any of the changes except the obvious ones where Asha's name was changed to Yara, or the general fact that they excluded so many characters in the show. The line change at tower of joy seems inconsequential, and there was a good argument from a medieval combat expert that dayne using 2 swords wasn't entirely an action choice, but given its 2v7 it's a reasonable style to adopt.

On May 27 2016 02:50 Stroggoz wrote: White noble woman freeing the slaves lol. There are rare people like that from history but they've never received any institutional support from their own class.

Could fire harm those rare people though ?

the scene is a bit cheese mainly because it all simply goes stupidly perfect but you can somewhat justify it, for example the Dothraki had already kneeled before her when she survived a fire, they are credulous and superstitious people who follow

the double wielding was just fucking stupid come on...

On May 27 2016 09:31 Romm3l wrote: it's not easy to objectively debate the subtle nuance of what is and isn't considered believable in a story with dragons, zombies, necromancers and people who come back to life thanks to magic. rather than look at what does and doesn't please diehard book fanboys i prefer to judge the producers' success by their impact on hbo's revenues and time warner's share price performance. they are doing their job outstandingly well on these metrics and giving the great unwashed masses who love broad entertainment what they want. how is it not obvious that when a show portrays a scene with a powerful woman who refuses to be subjugated by patriarchy and instead coldly murders the men who were just talking about taking turns raping her - that is exactly the kind of thing audiences will lap up in droves?

Imagine that instead of making the GOT tv show, they'd made a movie about danaerys, cutting everything else from the story. No eddard, no lannisters etc. The story is about Danaerys' and her brother and ends when her brother and drogo are dead and all the dothraki worship her and she becomes a perfect queen and they all live happily ever after.

The movie brings in good revenue (but less than the GOT show now). I shit on the movie in a liquidpoker post. You disagree and argue that since it made money we have to assume that the creators did an outstanding job? OK

Also in your opinion I am not allowed to call the unburnable hairband a mistake because it's a fantasy story and we have to respect the possibility that there really are unburnable hairbands....?


I guess we just see things differently

fairly educational imo

their scene would have been improved so much if they just had that guy on set

the plopping the sword in the ground thing is a nice example; for me it didn't ruin anything consciously because I'm too ignorant to feel like something is wrong there, but if you get all of those little details right I think the end result will be infinitely better. The weird thing is that it doesn't seem so daunting to accomplish that. They have so much money and there are guys like this out there...

On May 28 2016 01:30 Baalim wrote: the scene is a bit cheese mainly because it all simply goes stupidly perfect but you can somewhat justify it, for example the Dothraki had already kneeled before her when she survived a fire, they are credulous and superstitious people who follow the double wielding was just fucking stupid come on...

If u watch the double weilding as lightsabers it makes more sense

On May 28 2016 02:18 Bigbobm wrote: fairly educational imo

Interesting vid. From my personal exp fencing its quite suprising he didnt criticise the footwork, which is extremely important to be good at swordfighting. The no armor on wrists and arms is huge, since that is the closest target it is where you try to get the vast majority of your hits.

He didnt comment on 4v1 weather thats realistic. Theres a vid on youtube of 3 masters fencers beating 50 average, trained ones.

The worst fight is the sand snakes one because of choreography, simply because bronn turn their back on someone during the fight at close range with a dagger for no good reason!!!!! That would be instant death. Fav fight is ser vardis vs bronn. Seemed very realistic to me. Also i wouldnt hate the show if they made the fight scenes 3 seconds long as it sometimes is in real life.