UFC FN 84: Silva vs. Bisping

Date: Saturday, February 27th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:45 LP.net / 9:45am PST / 12:45pm EST
Main Card (UFC Fight Pass): 22:00 LP.net / 1pm PST / 4pm EST
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Main Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Anderson Silva (33-6) vs. Michael Bisping (27-7) (Middleweight)
Gegard Mousasi (37-6-2) vs. Thales Leites (25-5) (Middleweight)
Tom Breese (9-0) vs. Keita Nakamura (31-6-2) (Welterweight)
Francisco Rivera (11-5) vs. Brad Pickett (24-11) (Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Mike Wilkinson (9-1) vs. Makwan Amirkhani (12-2) (Featherweight)
Davey Grant (9-2) vs. Marlon Vera (7-2-1) (Bantamweight)
Scott Askham (13-2) vs. Chris Dempsey (11-3) (Middleweight)
Arnold Allen (10-1) vs. Yaotzin Meza (21-10) (Featherweight)
Brad Scott (10-3) vs. Krzysztof Jotko (16-1) (Middleweight)
Norman Parke (21-4-1) vs. Rustam Khabilov (17-3) (Lightweight)
Daniel Omielanczuk (17-5-1) vs. Jarjis Danho (6-0) (Heavyweight)
Teemu Packalen (7-1) vs. Thibault Gouti (11-0) (Lightweight)
David Teymur (3-1) vs. Martin Svensson (14-5) (Lightweight)

Other

- Michael Bisping was originally expected to face Gegard Mousasi at this event in a non-headliner middleweight bout. However on December 24, Mousasi was replaced by former UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva in favor of a main event. Three days later, it was announced that Mousasi will face former title challenger Thales Leites.
- Jimi Manuwa was expected to face Nikita Krylov at this event. However on December 31, Manuwa pulled out of the bout due to an undisclosed injury and the fight was scrapped.
- Henry Briones was expected to face Brad Pickett at the event. However, Briones pulled out of the bout on January 22 and was replaced by Francisco Rivera.
- Lukasz Sajewski was expected to face Teemu Packalen at the event. However February 16, Sajewski pulled out due to an injury and was replaced by promotional newcomer Thibault Gouti.

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First impression of the match-ups:

• Bisping > Silva
• Mousasi > Leites
• Breese > Nakamura
• Pickett > Rivera
• Amirkhani > Wilkinson
• Grant > Vera
• Askham > Dempsey
• Allen > Meza
• Jotko > Scott
• Khabilov > Parke
• Omielanczuk > Danho
• Packalen vs. Gouti (dunno)
• Teymur vs. Svensson (dunno)

Bisping > Silva?

Im puzzled why you think so, to me it seems like an obvious hand picked cannon fodder for Silva, Bisping is a past prime slow leading striker that often overextends with jabs without much KO power...

His path to victory is to outstrike Silva with volume on the outside and well Nick Diaz is probably the best in MMA to do that and failed so how do you see him winning?

I think Silva wins but we can definitely criticize him. The biggest factors leading me to believe he's not a slam dunk are:

a) his aura of invincibility is gone
b) he got man handled twice by Weidman (no shame in that) quite convincingly, bones snapped
c) tested positive for elevated markers of testosterone
d) he has aged noticeably judging by the picture, he's 40 and not as active recently due to his injuries
c) he couldn't put diaz away in their 5 round fight (don't remember the details of this fight), diaz is good(boxing, BJJ, stamina) but far from a S-class fighter for obvious reasons (relatively weak, little movement, predictable punch heavy style, lack of effective kicks, relies on shit talking to tilt his opponent, etc)

Of course we can criticize Bisping too, as you did. He's past his prime like Silva and doesn't have the highest KO power, although half of his wins come from KO and Silva's chin is suspect.

Silva > Bisping simply because he is more skilled and superior in practically every category. Yet, Bisping has a puncher's chance of 10-20%? More, less? How does one quantify this?

Silva's chin is suspect

Suspect because of the two Weidman fights? Because before that it was considered ironclad... Idk, not shocking if Silva has completely fallen off given everything that has happened (age, traumatic losses, PED stuff, long lay off), but I'm not sure I'm ready to predict Bisping by KO

Think if he wins it's by decision.

Silva did look like shit vs Diaz but wasn't that fight partly horrible because they were both trying to counter strike ?

Just one bet for me on this card: Silva + Picket (+258).

Easy fight for Silva imo, he is better than Bisping by far and he is motivated, he even wants a title shot with a win.

Picket is a warrior, he looked very good against Almeida (who is a monster). He is definitely Ev+ at +175

Always going to think Anderson > Bisping until Anderson shows he has nothing left. Which could possibly be close to happening.

Bisping one hitter quitter'ing Anderson out of nowhere would be one of the most amazing MMA moments for me though. I'd willingly lose a ten unit bet to see that happen

I think Ricain is going a little far with Bisping > Silva, but i agree with him the odds are too Silva heavy

I think Bisping +260 is a good bet.

Perfect opponent for Anderson to shine. If he is not completely shot, he shoud smoke Bisping easy.

So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now.

I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard.

Diaz did not fight like that in their fight tho, he was trying to counter strike much more than he was advancing... Which is why it was such a complete shit show with of them refusing to lead.

On February 25 2016 14:35 goose58 wrote: I think Silva wins but we can definitely criticize him. The biggest factors leading me to believe he's not a slam dunk are: a) his aura of invincibility is gone b) he got man handled twice by Weidman (no shame in that) quite convincingly, bones snapped c) tested positive for elevated markers of testosterone d) he has aged noticeably judging by the picture, he's 40 and not as active recently due to his injuries c) he couldn't put diaz away in their 5 round fight (don't remember the details of this fight), diaz is good(boxing, BJJ, stamina) but far from a S-class fighter for obvious reasons (relatively weak, little movement, predictable punch heavy style, lack of effective kicks, relies on shit talking to tilt his opponent, etc) Of course we can criticize Bisping too, as you did. He's past his prime like Silva and doesn't have the highest KO power, although half of his wins come from KO and Silva's chin is suspect. Silva > Bisping simply because he is more skilled and superior in practically every category. Yet, Bisping has a puncher's chance of 10-20%? More, less? How does one quantify this?

Obviously this isnt prime Silva, not even close, Bisping would probably be at least an 8 to 1 dog vs prime Silva

a) that is mumbo jumbo to hype up fights, "auras" dont win fights this isnt Diablo
b) He suffered an injury on the first fight and he arguably returned too early for the 2nd one
c) yeah, maybe he was juicing to recover faster, maybe not? anyway his physique is evident that if he juiced he wasnt a hardcore one.
d) yeah he is old, but so is Bisping
e) Silva didnt put Diaz away becaue Diaz wasnt leading, and Silva was very tentative and emotional, also Diaz is a better boxer than Bisping

On February 26 2016 01:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now. I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard.

Yes Diaz was a good matchup too and Silva won (in a mediocre fashion) but Diaz is better at Boxing than Bisping and had way more outs than Bisping...

How do you see Bisping winning this fight?

On February 26 2016 01:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now. I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard.

Nick Diaz is an awkward opponent for any stand up fighter. He has a lot better boxing than Bisping - good on the lead and the counter, good sense of range and very underrated striking defence. On top of that he has insane chin and in that fight I don't agree that Silva looked that bad. He exploited Diaz biggest weakness - his plodding footwork and took home a convincing unanimous dec. We have seen Silva before looking worse against Maia, Leites or Cote for example.

Anderson might be old but Bisping is not very young either - 37. He does not have the best chin . Had a hard fight with Leites recently and almost got finished by CB Dolloway before that. He has tendency to run after his opponents with punches and does not offer a lot of threat on the counter.

I mean the whole assumption that he has a chance is related to Anderson being completely shot fighter, who has been juicing his whole career and now after a year of the juice he has fallen of a cliff and will look absolutely terrible. I don't think so.

Going all in on Bisping, Silva did not look like the GOAT vs Diaz and also now without any steroids, I have a feeling he will get mauled.

Also pretty much this is Bisping's last shot to really get in the mix and apparently he has not lost a fight in England.

Michael Bisping (185) vs. Anderson Silva (186)
Thales Leites (186) vs. Gegard Mousasi (185)
Tom Breese (171) vs. Keita Nakamura (170)
Brad Pickett (136) vs. Francisco Rivera (136)
Makwan Amirkhani (145) vs. Mike Wilkinson (145)
Davey Grant (136) vs. Marlon Vera (135)
Scott Askham (185) vs. Chris Dempsey (185)
Arnold Allen (145) vs. Yaotzin Meza (144)
Krzysztof Jotko (184) vs. Brad Scott (186)
Rustam Khabilov (155) vs. Norman Parke (155)
Jarjis Danho (261) vs. Daniel Omielanczuk (254)
Thibault Gouti (155) vs. Teemu Packalen (156)
Martin Svensson (154) vs. David Teymur (155)

Bisping looked as good as he ever has at the weigh in. Tho it's not like he ever really looks terrible

I favor all of the betting favorites except Francisco Rivera. I think Pickett is a better fighter than he is, didn't understand the line or the movement initially. I also think there is (or was) value on Wilkinson - IMO Amirkani is a pure hype train until I see him actually be good for more than 2 minutes and display decent hands.

I went big on Silva before but the dad-bod stuff that I saw today and him wearing a shirt to weigh-in was a bit disconcerting. I'm seeing that the odds are way better now, so bad on me. I guess IF Silva's cardio, reflexes are much worse and Bisping puts on a flawless performance where he mixes everything up perfectly, he has a chance to win 3 rounds. That seems like a long-shot.

Re-watching and remembering Silva vs Diaz, Silva was super weird that fight week and looked tentative as shit during the fight and was still able to outclass Diaz (who is better then Bisping offensively, WW or not). He also ate some clean shots just fine and Diaz displayed a hell of a chin (a chin I don't think Bisping has). This time around, he seems at ease and is even talking about fighting for the belt again.

But more than anything, stylistically, Bisping would have to put himself in such danger to score against Silva enough to win, I just don't see it. But the fight does have a weird feeling to it, but he also barely beat CB Dolloway not that long ago. Cmon.

Pre-fight bets:

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Silva ML
Mousasi ML
Picket ML

it came to me in a dream

I have similar bets to sober.
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Gl all

I'll be watching the first half of this card on my phone while laying in bed.

I've never heard of these two Swedes. Hopefully they bring it.

Boom!

Teymur's timing and technique are top-notch. Beautiful KO.

2 nice finishes in the first 2 fights.

The quicker the better.

ROFl. That Askhem KO on Dempsey was filthy.

After 4 boring fights in a row, Scott Askham comes and saves the day.

Too many damn decisions on this card...

Go Pickett !

Amirkhani fight was boring? I missed the entire undercard. Only bet on undercard was Amirkhani...placed a little while ago. Got Pickett and a small, for the f of it bet on Bisping left.

If anyone enjoys boxing at all, Quigg vs Frampton...also over in England...should be a good one.

Pickett vs. Rivera had the potential of being a much better fight.

Oh well.

1/3 I decided to parlay my dreams this time

1-Punch!!!

...with the hometown split-decision win.

It was a good fight, because they had to slowly rob Rivera out of it, due to the skill diffrence.

Stream fucked up. gg.

Nakamura is apparently on top of Breese and Breese looks bad (Round 1).

Nobody really knows who won round 1, since Breese isn't doing much.

Nakamura ended Round 2 on top of Breese. (mobile app is working)

Fight Pass is working 100% now.


Breese vs. Nakamura went to a boring decision. Barely any punches were thrown.

Pickett decision was pretty funny. Not that it wasn't a close fight or anything but I thought Rivera pretty clearly won 1,2

Gegard looks really sharp

He always does, hes like one of the best fighters.

On February 27 2016 22:27 Minsk wrote: He always does, hes like one of the best fighters.

Except when he's hesitant and doesn't throw much. And also when he ducks into a spinning kick. Oh, and when he's facing a strong wrestler.

Uhh...yeah. But he's not always this focused

Thales' relative lack of varied striking attacks I'm sure helps a little

how was there a judge that scored it 29-28

He always doesnt throw much because he has strategy, because he doesnt need it to to win. Guy has an incredible resume and always looks sharp, being caught and KOed one time in a career fighting against the best for this long is a ridiculous critique. I don't see what he could have done against Jacare either, just a bad matchup. Overall he always looks great, adapts correctly, and almost never makes mistakes.

On February 27 2016 22:36 Bullshit wrote: how was there a judge that scored it 29-28

Probably some newb judge who thought Mousasi was in danger when Leites held his arm in place with his leg so Mousasi wouldn't punch him in the face again.

Silva's forehead looks less pressurized.

Hope he still wins anyway.

Come on Silva please dont lose

Round 1: Bisping (Bisping isn't falling for Anderson's feints and flinches and pressure against the cage. Without Bisping making a mistake, Anderson has nothing. Also, did Anderson get rocked with a big punch at the end of the round? His knees wobbled.)

Round 2: Bisping (I had Bisping slightly winning prior to the knockdown and GnP. Clear round for Bisping.)

And now please cruise to a dec victory, thanks

Fuck Silva WTF!!

Bisping up 2-0 I think and is fighting with mostly a good level head. And I get that cardio is his edge. But he's expended a lot of energy in these first two rounds.

Anderson seems like he got a lot of his confidence back but it's just so far a bunch of flash because he's a hair slower and that hair counts for a lot in his flashy shit

WOW

LOL

That was some shit.

Silva is a stupid motherfucker he is going to lose a decision. That shit is not working

Stupid clown you have to finish Bisping to win! I hope he gets knocked out I dont care about my money :@

Round 1: Bisping (Bisping isn't falling for Anderson's feints and flinches and pressure against the cage. Without Bisping making a mistake, Anderson has nothing. Also, did Anderson get rocked with a big punch at the end of the round? His knees wobbled.)

Round 2: Bisping (I had Bisping slightly winning prior to the knockdown and GnP. Clear round for Bisping.)

Round 3: Anderson (Bisping lost the round himself, Anderson just capitalized on Bisping's mouthpiece thing.)

Round 4: Bisping (Clear round for Bisping. Anderson stayed against the cage for most of the round and let Bisping accumulate a lot of small punches.)

Bisping 3-2 and I am happy for Bisping, Silva is feinting like he is winning, what an idiot.

YESSSS BISPING! :D

bisping needs to retire, hes too tough for his own good

I ll laugh my ass off if Silva loses to a decision now
and not cause it ll be wrong, but cause he didnt finish it

Round 1: Bisping (Bisping isn't falling for Anderson's feints and flinches and pressure against the cage. Without Bisping making a mistake, Anderson has nothing. Also, did Anderson get rocked with a big punch at the end of the round? His knees wobbled.)

Round 2: Bisping (I had Bisping slightly winning prior to the knockdown and GnP. Clear round for Bisping.)

Round 3: Anderson (Bisping lost the round himself, Anderson just capitalized on Bisping's mouthpiece thing.)

Round 4: Bisping (Clear round for Bisping. Anderson stayed against the cage for most of the round and let Bisping accumulate a lot of small punches.)

Round 5: Anderson (Close round, but I give it to Anderson.)


Bisping 3-2, imo.

He just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

I mean cmon hasnt Silva made enough money to retire.
Its obvious he s not trying, what is this shit

Hell yeah.

Fuck Anderson.

On February 26 2016 08:00 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2016 01:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now. I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard. Yes Diaz was a good matchup too and Silva won (in a mediocre fashion) but Diaz is better at Boxing than Bisping and had way more outs than Bisping... How do you see Bisping winning this fight?

Like that

On February 27 2016 23:30 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2016 08:00 Baalim wrote:   On February 26 2016 01:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now. I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard. Yes Diaz was a good matchup too and Silva won (in a mediocre fashion) but Diaz is better at Boxing than Bisping and had way more outs than Bisping... How do you see Bisping winning this fight? Like that

Just tuned mid 4th round and he was mauling Bisping and on the 5th absolutely destroyed him too... what the fuck happened on the first 3?

lol how could Bisping win that

Justed tuned mid 4th round and he was mauling Bisping and on the 5th absolutely destroyed him too... what the fuck happened on the first 3?

He was clowning like and idiot and didnt work out.

I thought Anderson won rounds 3-5 pretty clearly.

Oh well, gg, Bisping put it all together and Silva tarnished his legacy further.

Crazy fight.

he honestly thought he won the fight lol
what a clown, ed soares didnt translate it well, he said something like "you win in a way and they steal the victory from you"
"its like brazil, corruption everywhere"

LOOOOOOOOL what a fucking clown

On February 26 2016 18:54 jvilla777 wrote: Going all in on Bisping, Silva did not look like the GOAT vs Diaz and also now without any steroids, I have a feeling he will get mauled. Also pretty much this is Bisping's last shot to really get in the mix and apparently he has not lost a fight in England.

I expected this but silva didn't necessarily get mauled because of that knee in the 3rd but I thought 1,2,4 were bisping's rounds.

Lol anderson, he's done. Im surrounded by brs who said he let bisping win lmao i have no patience for that

On February 27 2016 23:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2016 23:30 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On February 26 2016 08:00 Baalim wrote:   On February 26 2016 01:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now. I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard. Yes Diaz was a good matchup too and Silva won (in a mediocre fashion) but Diaz is better at Boxing than Bisping and had way more outs than Bisping... How do you see Bisping winning this fight? Like that Justed tuned mid 4th round and he was mauling Bisping and on the 5th absolutely destroyed him too... what the fuck happened on the first 3?

Bisping rocked Silva and in both of the first 2 rounds and won them covincingly. Silva flying knee'd Bisping literally at the end of the 3rd round and thought he won the fight. Consequently, there was a buncha confusion in the ring about the fight continuing (corners not getting let into the cage on time, bunch of officials walking around the cage trying to bring order). Bisping kept tagging Silva in the 4th, but got hit in the face by a front kick which wobbled him and backed him up to the cage; Silva controlled for the last minute of the 4th. In the 5th round, Silva was more aggressive and going toe-to-toe with Bisping and won round 5.

Silva just played too much and should have fought more seriously.

I thought the decision was pretty accurate. Bisping 124 silva 35
In the 4th round silva did nothing but stay with his back against the fence and hit bisping with a couple accurate shots in the last 30s.

It was all a bizarre blur but to me:

Round 3 was the one where Bisping got KO'd.

Round 4 was the one where Bisping got front-kick wobbled and almost finished.

Round 5 was obvious.

In all of them Bisping had Silva against the cage and couldn't actually land anything of significance while Silva put his hands down and waved his hands all over the place like a jackass.

Oh, and round 1 could have gone either way, nothing of significance happened at all. Bisping didn't win it convincingly.

Not much happened in round 1. Silva clearly took the most part of round 4 off but I thought he did enough damage toward the end to take it. Great fight though, definitely an Anderson Silva fight even though he lost and he certainly won the fight as a whole. I don't see this being bad for his legacy.

Analyzing this fight by rounds scoring is ridiculous. lol.

On February 27 2016 23:55 Minsk wrote: Analyzing this fight by rounds scoring is ridiculous. lol.

How else does one analyze the score?

Only played DraftKings for this event.

It's been a few months since my last decent cash. Too bad Tom Breese laid an egg.

Great fight but really annoyed by the outcome.

Anderson lost the fight by standing on the fence for the majority of round 4. Still I give the round to him as he absolutely mauled Bisping at the end of the round.

Obv his reactions and chin are not the same, but he was still able to create some magic in the octagon, the flying knee when he KO'd Bisping and the upkick in the 5th round were amazing.

Fuck this happened this morning? Oops

On February 27 2016 23:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2016 23:30 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On February 26 2016 08:00 Baalim wrote:   On February 26 2016 01:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So was Nick Diaz. plodding striker who comes forward and likes to block with his chin and has zero wrestling. And Silva managed to look less than impressive. Since then he's been busted for roids so its some what reasonable to assume he will be fighting without them as the risk of another dirty test is gigantic. Not to mention he's had another year+ off and he's almost 41 now. I also think it's pretty likely he was on steroids for his entire career. Wouldn't be surprised if the Silva that shows up is a bum version of the previous silva. Even then he should still be the favorite to beat bisping with just his technique and timing. Dunno by how much though. Predicting people coming back from a lot of shit is really hard. Yes Diaz was a good matchup too and Silva won (in a mediocre fashion) but Diaz is better at Boxing than Bisping and had way more outs than Bisping... How do you see Bisping winning this fight? Like that Justed tuned mid 4th round and he was mauling Bisping and on the 5th absolutely destroyed him too... what the fuck happened on the first 3?

Basically he was clowning a lot, and couldn't hit Bisping with any counters. He got rocked a couple times too. Honestly the only reason the fight was even close was because Michael got distracted by his mouth piece on the floor and was pointing to herb dean to pick it up, and Silva nailed him with a flying knee. Bisping had dominated the 14:30 seconds of the fight up until then.

just watched the fight and that flying knee really messed up Bisping. I think Silva thought they would hand over the fight to him since he was getting more and more confident, im mixed about his clowning because it does work for him most times and throws off opponents (but not top 3 guys). I don't think he'll survive rockhold or a weidman rematch though but it's great to see him get his flow again. stricter testing really made a lot of fighters bodies look softer.

That front kick in round 4 was a really good shot and in retrospect, with Bisping being pretty badly hurt by that flying knee at the end of round 3...really surprised Bisping wasn't hurt even more than he was by that front kick. But good thing Silva is Silva and didn't press it and just did his usual standing around clowning stuff. Not sure what people are talking about the 'mauling' of Bisping in round 4. Anderson literally did nothing in round 4 besides that one really good shot which is ridiculous considering Bisping came out of his stool at the start of rd. 4 looking pretty wobbly. Thought it was a pretty clear 1,2,4 for Bisping

Really dislike when a fighter presses action when the other fighter is clearly hurt by an illegal blow (Travis Browne v Mitrione) or just completely distracted by some other factor even though in this case, it was a pretty minor one of a mouthpiece being needed to be put back in. But I couldn't believe Bisping, with all his fighting experience, kept making the mistake of not protecting yourself at all times. I wonder what the general reaction would've been if Bisping was so hurt by that kinda bs flying knee...that he came out for the 4th round and just got KO'd right away from the first shot...having still felt the knee. Would people be celebrating a flashy KO for Silva or crying foul or somewhere in the middle? Because yeah...really...even though Bisping hadn't really done real damage...he really had won like 13 of the first 14 minutes of that fight until that.

fucking round by round scoring... it works in 12 rounds fights like boxing, not in 3-5 round fights at all.


typical Silva... ffs... he is potentially the best fighter ever but also the worst mind ever, like a Urajah Hall

On February 28 2016 02:18 Baalim wrote: fucking round by round scoring... it works in 12 rounds fights like boxing, not in 3-5 round fights at all. typical Silva... ffs... he is potentially the best fighter ever but also the worst mind ever, like a Urajah Hall

You realize Bisping dominated like 90% of that fight right? And if not for Bisping getting distracted by the mouth piece Silva probably gets completely shut out. He had nothing for Bisping until that knee, and then he was fighting a guy who just got knocked out. And still managed to lose the 4th round.

On February 28 2016 03:45 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2016 02:18 Baalim wrote: fucking round by round scoring... it works in 12 rounds fights like boxing, not in 3-5 round fights at all. typical Silva... ffs... he is potentially the best fighter ever but also the worst mind ever, like a Urajah Hall You realize Bisping dominated like 90% of that fight right? And if not for Bisping getting distracted by the mouth piece Silva probably gets completely shut out. He had nothing for Bisping until that knee, and then he was fighting a guy who just got knocked out. And still managed to lose the 4th round.

I just watched the fight twice and no Bisping didnt dominated 90% of the time what are you talking about? the only time he looked remotely threatening was at the end of the 2nd round that was less than 1 minute when he stunned silva, besides that he landed some weak punches and leg kickls here and there and the only reason he was connecting was because Silva for no fucking reason keep walking back to the cage staying there eating weak punches and losing rounds.

If this is the face of somebody who dominates 90% of a fight, we have very different definitions of domination




BTW Im not saying Silva won he lost 1-2 and arguably 4th

The scoring system is ridiculous for MMA, the fights are too shorts to be judged by rounds and the scoring should be heavily based in damage, that way we get rid of lay & pray, of pushing people against the cage etc

So are we doing 209 judging with visible damage?

Threatening doesn't matter. He completely controlled the first two rounds while Silva did nothing, controlled the 3rd round until the last 10 seconds, controlled all of the 4th round besides the front kick, then lost the 5th.

Bisping dominated most of the fight because Silva did absolutely nothing for the first 4 rounds besides the flying knee and front kick. He mostly sat against the fence and ate punches.

On February 28 2016 04:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So are we doing 209 judging with visible damage? Threatening doesn't matter. He completely controlled the first two rounds while Silva did nothing, controlled the 3rd round until the last 10 seconds, controlled all of the 4th round besides the front kick, then lost the 5th. Bisping dominated most of the fight because Silva did absolutely nothing for the first 4 rounds besides the flying knee and front kick. He mostly sat against the fence and ate punches.

I didnt think any of em were significant. The most dmg bisping did imho is the eye poke. Silva just lost balance in some of the knockdowns and most of bispings strikes were parried.

You guys are ridiculous if you think Silva " deserved " to win that fight lol.

I gave Bisping rounds 1/2/4. All the rounds seemed pretty clear to me.

Bisping kept moving, striking, and did a great job at not letting Anderson get comfortable and dictate the pace of the fight. A big issue Anderson has was that Bisping was never baited into anything he was doing up against the cage.

If Bisping never got hit with that knee, he would've won a more dominant decision.

On February 28 2016 04:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: So are we doing 209 judging with visible damage? Threatening doesn't matter. He completely controlled the first two rounds while Silva did nothing, controlled the 3rd round until the last 10 seconds, controlled all of the 4th round besides the front kick, then lost the 5th. Bisping dominated most of the fight because Silva did absolutely nothing for the first 4 rounds besides the flying knee and front kick. He mostly sat against the fence and ate punches.

Not only visible damage, it would require many factors, but I think the boxing scoring simply doesnt work for MMA.

I think you are simply misusing the term dominate, Bisping didnt do shit, the only time he connected clean was when he stunned Silva, besides that he only grazed and partially landed when throwing hundreds of punches against a moron who insisted on putting his back against the cage all the fight unlike Silva, that every time that landed was a clean hard shot that smashed Bispings face.

But again Im not arguing that Silva won or deserved to win at all... if anything Silva deserves to be slapped by every attendee that paid money to watch him waste all his skill in the most pathetic way possible once again.

Exactly how I had it.

Hilarious interview.

I thought bisping was winning well up to the flying knee cheap shot... Legal but 99% of the times people stop there

Anderson was frustrating to watch it seems like he should crush bisping but refused to engage a lot was a weird fight by him

I a little confused i bet "bisping on points" thinking that means by decision. Now it says the bet lost because the actual outcome was "Bisping in round 5" who messed up here me or them?

I thought maybe Silva was pacing himself, like maybe he doesn't have the cardio to go for 5 rounds anymore... but he seemed quite fresh, just... refusing to actually engage when he had Bisping hurt.

Happy for Bisping tbh.

Mousasi vs Leites went about exactly how I expected Mousasi vs a non-elite of the elite MW to go... not sure why he wasn't a bigger favorite.

On February 28 2016 09:33 ERASA wrote: I a little confused i bet "bisping on points" thinking that means by decision. Now it says the bet lost because the actual outcome was "Bisping in round 5" who messed up here me or them?

Wtf that sounds like it has to be a mistake on their part?

LOL! They are saying that they are right by giving me a link to the ufc page which says there was 0:01 left in round 5...
http://uk.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-london-2016

Just watched the main fight now and I think Anderson's biggest leak is that he simply doesn't throw enough strikes and he has too much fear of getting hit. Also, he is kind of a joker which is fun and might confuse his opponent sometimes; but why flail your arms around in weird fashion instead of simply throwing a punch? Waste of energy imo. Also, eating shots to make a point, wtf? Standing tall against the cage doing practically nothing but freaking Bisping out lmao. Silva definitely has fun in there though..

I do think Silva did more damage overall, but Bisping took that cheap shot and recovered in strong fashion, constantly bringing the fight. Silva crumpled early twice iirc, then later on Bisping crumpled twice much harder. Volume of strikes matters much in scoring MMA. I think it was a good fight.

On February 28 2016 10:18 ERASA wrote: LOL! They are saying that they are right by giving me a link to the ufc page which says there was 0:01 left in round 5... http://uk.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-london-2016

Obviously they are angleshooting you. It says decision on that page. Take your business elsewhere imo

Edit: I just googled this and think this might be it, point handicap lines:

if you are betting on a favorite, e.g., che mills -3.5, your bet will win if he either (a) wins ITD or (b) if he wins a decision by at least 4 more rounds than his opponent when you combine all the judges scorecards. 30-27 on all 3 scorecards would be a winner since he won by 9 total rounds. 30-27, 29-28, 29-28 would also be a winner. but 29-28 x 3 would be a loser since he only won by 3 total rounds. if you are betting on the underdog, e.g., matt riddle +3.5, your bet will win if he either (a) wins ITD, (b) wins a decision, or (c) if he loses a decision by less than 4 total rounds. if he loses 29-28 on all 3 scorecards, the bet is a winner.

I wrote them exactly that it says decision and you have the judes scores on there, no response yet

LOL at Bisping dominating 90 percent of the fight.

I agree though that Anderson deserved to lose the fight, by his retarded actions in the 4th round.
First 2 rounds were Bisping rounds. First one was close, but the 2nd one was a big one as he almost finished Silva. He was able to apply good pressure on Anderson and not giving him a lot of opportunities to counter. Anderson loss of speed in his reactions was evident, imo, as there were many shots that he was throwing and missing just by small margin and when he got frustrated in the end of the 2nd and started exchanging He got clocked hard.

3rd round Bisping was KO'd. I don't care if this was a cheap shot /it was not/, it is Bisping job to protect himself at all times. He did not and got KO'd. His eyes rolled and he went limp on the ground. Herb Dean really is an overrated ref. He completely lost control of that situation.

4th round was bizzare. The only logical explanation to me is that Silva had some massive adrenaline dump after thinking he had won the fight. I see no other reason to act like Muhammad Ali for the whole round and staying on the fence. Bisping was out on his feet and every time Silva moved forward he was tuning him up.

In the 5th again he could of pressed for the finish, but after beating the crap out of him he backed out and started dancing around. I think his corner has lead him to believe that he was winning on points.

It was a great fight and Bisping showed a lot of heart. Anderson is still game for some fun fights.

Just for the record, they changed the result and i got my money.

Main event delivered. Silva was very fun to watch. I feel like he didn't go for the KO cause he thought he was winning and played it smart. Very flamboyant style of Silva is fun to watch. Flying knee was legal imo.

The flying knee was legal, bisping got knocked down but not out, and the round ended

I don't think Silva won the fight, I don't think he wanted to win the fight. I dont think he gives a fuck anymore, he just shows up because they pay him.

Judging that fight on scorecards is like judging a circus on scorecards, you can do it, it wil be funny.

He could have easily knocked him out both 4th and 5th round, he just didnt want to.
He looks down on having to fight in a cage, but looks up to himself as an entertainer.

On February 28 2016 04:37 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2016 03:45 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On February 28 2016 02:18 Baalim wrote: fucking round by round scoring... it works in 12 rounds fights like boxing, not in 3-5 round fights at all. typical Silva... ffs... he is potentially the best fighter ever but also the worst mind ever, like a Urajah Hall You realize Bisping dominated like 90% of that fight right? And if not for Bisping getting distracted by the mouth piece Silva probably gets completely shut out. He had nothing for Bisping until that knee, and then he was fighting a guy who just got knocked out. And still managed to lose the 4th round. I just watched the fight twice and no Bisping didnt dominated 90% of the time what are you talking about? the only time he looked remotely threatening was at the end of the 2nd round that was less than 1 minute when he stunned silva, besides that he landed some weak punches and leg kickls here and there and the only reason he was connecting was because Silva for no fucking reason keep walking back to the cage staying there eating weak punches and losing rounds. If this is the face of somebody who dominates 90% of a fight, we have very different definitions of domination BTW Im not saying Silva won he lost 1-2 and arguably 4th

holy shit. ok, i wanna watch it now.

Silva doesnt clown around to entertain, he tries to get in their minds but it doesnt work at this level when people are aware that what he wants you is to go aggro at him.

He has always done it but at a lesser degree, he has always been a counter puncher, but he knew how to pull la punch, now he just sticks his jaw in the air hoping they clumsily swing wide at him and when they dont he doesnt know what to do, back in the day if his opponents didnt open up and went into cocoon mode he mauled them like he did with John Fitch, on this fight Bisping was in cocoon mode a couple of times and Silva looked like was going to pounce but he didnt.

I honestly dont know whats going on with him, its some kind of fear that has always been with him and sometimes beats him, he doesnt need any more training, he needs a psychologist.

i just watched this fight for the first time on replay

I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged?

The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly?

just watched it. silva won.

On March 02 2016 11:38 TimDawg wrote: i just watched this fight for the first time on replay I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged? The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly?

I just rewatched Round 4.

Round 4 was clearly Bisping's. Anderson barely threw anything, and he gave up octagon control for 4+ minutes of the round by staying pressed up against the cage and letting Bisping dictate the round. Anderson tried to steal Round 4 at the last 37 seconds, but he only landed 3 strikes.

Here's the striking stats round-by-round: http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-london-2016
Pay attention to the significant strikes, not total strikes attempted.

Most people who think Anderson won tend to give him Round 1 of thst fight. From what I've seen, the consensus is that Anderson took his foot off the gas in Round 4 when he had Bisping hurt moments b4 with the knee. This is seen by Anderson standing against the cage during the majority of Round 4 like I previously mentioned.

On March 02 2016 11:38 TimDawg wrote: i just watched this fight for the first time on replay I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged? The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly?

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/29/...t-stop-the-fight-after-anderson-silva

"That’s the way the mechanic works, is that you replace the mouthpiece during a lull in the action," Dean said during an appearance on Monday’s edition The MMA Hour. "And [Bisping] signaled once, and Anderson was actually in the process of attacking him. For a lot of reasons that are pretty evident you can’t stop to replace the mouthpiece during a heated exchange, and that qualified as a heated exchange.

"If we were doing that, we’d have guys getting their bell rung, spitting out the mouthpiece to get a little extra time or sometimes you’re feeling a little tired, just spit your mouthpiece out. So obviously we can’t do that in the middle of an exchange."


I think Herb Dean handled it the only way you could. In that he didn't call time to put in the mouthpiece for Bisping because there were moving parts in the action at the time. And then mostly calmly telling people that the fight is still on when Anderson did his dumb premature celebration. Have to watch it again sometime but in the moment, really felt like Anderson didn't really move in fast towards Bisping until he saw that Bisping was clearly distracted with the mouthpiece/ref. And that's absolutely his right...but grey area douchebaggery in my opinion. Made extra stupid by the fact that that was by far the most aggro Anderson (possibly the only time he really was) got in the entire fight. Oh and how to handle a lost mouthpiece if you're the one who lost it? Definitely don't do what Bisping did. If you really want your mouthpiece back asap, should at least try to run to the side and get the ref's attention so that there's not much action from your opponent. Or clinch...hug...whatever you have to do. Not stand in front of your opponent and repeatedly gesture to the ref while being stationary

On March 02 2016 15:54 iakim322 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2016 11:38 TimDawg wrote: i just watched this fight for the first time on replay I had Bisping clearly winning rounds 1 & 2 but thought Anderson also clearly won round 3, 4 and 5. Am I missing something on the way these fights are judged? The mouthpiece situation in round 3 was really weird. How is a fighter and judge suppose to handle that situation properly? http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/29/...t-stop-the-fight-after-anderson-silva "That’s the way the mechanic works, is that you replace the mouthpiece during a lull in the action," Dean said during an appearance on Monday’s edition The MMA Hour. "And [Bisping] signaled once, and Anderson was actually in the process of attacking him. For a lot of reasons that are pretty evident you can’t stop to replace the mouthpiece during a heated exchange, and that qualified as a heated exchange. "If we were doing that, we’d have guys getting their bell rung, spitting out the mouthpiece to get a little extra time or sometimes you’re feeling a little tired, just spit your mouthpiece out. So obviously we can’t do that in the middle of an exchange." I think Herb Dean handled it the only way you could. In that he didn't call time to put in the mouthpiece for Bisping because there were moving parts in the action at the time. And then mostly calmly telling people that the fight is still on when Anderson did his dumb premature celebration. Have to watch it again sometime but in the moment, really felt like Anderson didn't really move in fast towards Bisping until he saw that Bisping was clearly distracted with the mouthpiece/ref. And that's absolutely his right...but grey area douchebaggery in my opinion. Made extra stupid by the fact that that was by far the most aggro Anderson (possibly the only time he really was) got in the entire fight. Oh and how to handle a lost mouthpiece if you're the one who lost it? Definitely don't do what Bisping did. If you really want your mouthpiece back asap, should at least try to run to the side and get the ref's attention so that there's not much action from your opponent. Or clinch...hug...whatever you have to do. Not stand in front of your opponent and repeatedly gesture to the ref while being stationary

ok, thanks for that response

I really didn't even know what the standard procedure was. Seems like a tough thing to do in the ref's spot. I agree with what you said. If those are the rules Herb did nothing wrong. Bisping has to just assume he's still at risk of a big shot if he lets his guard down

It has to be that way, historically there has been people trying to cheat by spitting their mouthpiece very often in boxing

Silva gets in this weird headspace like with what he did to Maia, the only difference is Maia can't box for shit and Silva is not the champ and the guy who beat him twice just got smashed recently. That only works when he is the champ and he seems to be an oversight on his part.