Let's go to Europe!!!

But I only want to go Best Europe

I hate this topic so much.

If I google "Saad Alsaud" (guy in pic #2), all the results are from fairly right wing crazy sounding sources. Which doesn't mean it's automatically invalid since even if it was correct the politically correct other end of the spectrum probably wouldn't even want to talk about it.

Just feels completely impossible to inform myself on what's even happening, especially when I'm so far away from it all.

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On January 31 2016 10:58 TianYuan wrote: If I google "Saad Alsaud" (guy in pic #2), all the results are from fairly right wing crazy sounding sources.

that's strange, OP always seemed like a tolerant person
oh wait, I found my fav quote again

On March 13 2015 00:05 whamm! wrote: bisexual president is off putting. he should be shown slamming hot bitches left and right like a legit president - fuck this homoerotic PC bs being shoved in our faces each time they can "ruthless presidents can be gay" - NO they can't I am waiting for the next wave of PC characters to be shown on TV shows - Islamic president of the U.S. "because they're not all bad"

sorry to offend you with the title lebowski. i couldn't change it to europe is fucked thread
i wanted it to be funny and less edgy

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On January 31 2016 12:18 whamm! wrote: sorry to offend you with the title lebowski. i couldn't change it to europe is fucked thread i wanted it to be funny and less edgy

I read that in 2015 more than 2600 people died trying to reach Greece and Italy in fishing boats; getting to Europe the way refugees do is neither a field trip nor comedy material
But ok, let's not argue about what's more important to focus on, what do you propose Europe should be doing about the migrants and refugees and how realistic is your solution on a scale from 1-10?
I mean, what is the point of the thread if not for suggesting something?

On January 31 2016 12:42 VanDerMeyde wrote: News articles blocked in Sweden: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/29/daily-mail-articles-blocked-in-sweden-over-migrant-stabbing-court-case/http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/29/daily-mail-articles-blocked-in-sweden-over-migrant-stabbing-court-case/ My grandfathers fought the nazis, one of them sabotaged their trains from Narvik taking a great risk of beeing tortured / shot, luckily they never found out he did it (or suspected he did it). For me these men and men lying about their age to be considered children are fucking COWARDS. Leaving their children and women behind in Syria, what the fuck !! Go the fuck back and fight for your country scumbags !!! Like we did back in 1940s

Just feel so great about this source when they are quoting Friatider.....

On January 31 2016 12:46 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2016 12:18 whamm! wrote: sorry to offend you with the title lebowski. i couldn't change it to europe is fucked thread i wanted it to be funny and less edgy I read that in 2015 more than 2600 people died trying to reach Greece and Italy in fishing boats; getting to Europe the way refugees do is neither a field trip nor comedy material But ok, let's not argue about what's more important to focus on, what do you propose Europe should be doing about the migrants and refugees and how realistic is your solution on a scale from 1-10? I mean, what is the point of the thread if not for suggesting something?

You should obviously not ask an ignorant person as himself about something like this, his instant response is quite obvious - he ll just say ban them all, extradite anyone already in and shoot anyone trying to pass, which will never happen unless a new Hitler comes to power, which potentially could happen considering the amount of prejudiced sheep in Europe

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Don't worry euros, USA#1 is getting closer and closer to electing lord president Trump and when he's leader of the free world he'll ban Islam.

You can have open borders.
You can have government welfare.

You cannot have both.

i wish i could be a syrian refugee, imagine all them easy visas lol

On January 31 2016 16:26 thewh00sel wrote: You can have open borders. You can have government welfare. You cannot have both.

This

That will be true as long as the majority of people think its true. The world does not work in extremes

There are always liars and losers and criminals etc. among any group of people. There has been there in Europe before, and will be among the new immigrants and refugees. You accept refuges despite this because it is the right thing to do. If you do not understand this point and try to demonize a very large group by cherry picking evidence. You are an ignorant bigot and there is really no point in arguing with you.

I would say many of the people aren't refugees though and its impossible to tell who is and who isn't. European nations and the USA are at war with people in the countries these people are coming in from. Regardless of your stance on that you can't rationally accept people from those countries into your country while at war. Would it be rational for England to accept German military aged men en masse during WWII?

My hate for humanity has gone up a notch reading this thread.

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You need to Wake up and see Your country is going straight to hell

I'm only in Sweden once a year, so the only real difference I've noticed is how there's 109201930213x times as many beggars as before I left 5-6 years ago. Which is why, as I said, threads like this frustrate me so much because I have no personal experience with what's happening and all I can do to get an opinion is read these various super biased news outlets (biased in both directions)... :/

On February 01 2016 02:34 TianYuan wrote: Show nested quote + You need to Wake up and see Your country is going straight to hell I'm only in Sweden once a year, so the only real difference I've noticed is how there's 109201930213x times as many beggars as before I left 5-6 years ago. Which is why, as I said, threads like this frustrate me so much because I have no personal experience with what's happening and all I can do to get an opinion is read these various super biased news outlets (biased in both directions)... :/

Why not go straight to the source yourself? check the unemployment, murder, rape stats and their trends. Ask around friends and family and get facts about what they have seen of refugees. Or something?

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/in...l-fallacies/57-argument-to-moderation

I clicked on this thread expecting to see a LiquidPoker meet-up in Europe in 2016...

...I am disappointed.

On February 01 2016 05:34 Silver_nz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2016 02:34 TianYuan wrote:   You need to Wake up and see Your country is going straight to hell I'm only in Sweden once a year, so the only real difference I've noticed is how there's 109201930213x times as many beggars as before I left 5-6 years ago. Which is why, as I said, threads like this frustrate me so much because I have no personal experience with what's happening and all I can do to get an opinion is read these various super biased news outlets (biased in both directions)... :/ Why not go straight to the source yourself? check the unemployment, murder, rape stats and their trends. Ask around friends and family and get facts about what they have seen of refugees. Or something? http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/in...l-fallacies/57-argument-to-moderation

Uhm, I never made that argument, at all. That's extremely different from feeling like I can't trust any of the media sources on either side, doesn't mean I automatically think the truth is in the middle. This is not a case where one side is presenting clear facts and has no agenda.

99% of my friends are not in Sweden, or don't live in a major city if they are. As for my family, I think the only one who might be in a position to be affected by this is my brother, I guess I could ask him but it would still just be one person. Like let's say he's had 0 bad experiences, what does that really mean?

Checking stats is a valid method I guess, but I'm not a statistician, any inferences I make would be pretty shaky and frankly I feel too far removed from all this to put in the effort (which I feel a little guilty for saying since it's a serious situation clearly). I mean, when I was in Sweden last christmas, me and my brother were out shopping and I saw a newspaper headline with some name in it and asked him "Who's that guy?". My brother looked at me a bit incredulously before answering.

It was the prime minister

On February 01 2016 06:16 PuertoRican wrote: I clicked on this thread expecting to see a LiquidPoker meet-up in Europe in 2016... ...I am disappointed.

On February 01 2016 03:22 Mortensen8 wrote:

Gratz on posting a video from a WHITE NATIONALIST THINK TANK about the opinion of some retard musicion and 1 upping this thread.

Gratz on not watching the video and making association fallacy that guy says it's not about race I think he means an evolian spiritual race or something.
If it's racist to want to keep your culture the way it has naturally evolved then I am racist. I guess that makes native americans racist too. If Japan for example was being flooded by Americans with much higher birthrates then you would be crying about the evil americans. Of course the real racists are the ones who want to destroy other cultures and peoples I think this makes the left the real racists.
Uick your propaganda is losing its spell and people are slowly starting to see through the globalist bullshit. At this point they are just being cowards and will give away their daughters and country because they will do anything to not be called racist.
The only countries in Europe that do not face the future prospects of civil war and unrest are Eastern European countries. Why is it that they do not accept the propaganda? They have been through this before.

You linked a video from NPI, a WHITE NATIONALIST think tank bro, this shit straight KKK shit. Wtf is wrong with you and why would I listen to it...

The irony is that you are exactly what he talks about liberals will not discuss these things but will only attack others for not being as righteous as themselves all other ideas are evil.

Go watch some more reptilian videos with tutz

The good will always pay for the bad

I wonder if, when our species live to see the day where technology enables us to colonize other planets, we will be the same primitive savage( that is if our species actually survive up to that day ). Seems to be programmed in us.
Fighting the result of something rather than the cause of it is like trying wash yourself while somene s constantly peeing on top of your head

Also Mortensen there are 2 causes of liberals not willing to discuss something :
1. They are not liberals
2. The topic is completely retarded

Ah yes the complete transformation of western culture by cultural marxists a completely retarded topic.

Are all cultures equal?

The cultural marxists say that they are. That there is something special and valuable in every culture.

It is a very precious thing that we have the current level of peace, cooperation and progress. Humanity has never been more prosperous.

Underpinning all of this is the culture on which was built. Things like the rule of law, cooperation, freedom to question, literacy, family.

It seems like humanity just keeps going from strength to strength, and no matter what things will continue to improve. But cultural progress does not always have to be forwards.





Are all cultures are equally good?

On January 31 2016 16:26 thewh00sel wrote: You can have open borders. You can have government welfare. You cannot have both.

Wel.........yeah.

This problem is getting worse because "liberals" simply refuse to acknowledge the problems and say regressive stuff to women like dont dress like X if you dont want to be raped... all this does is allow true racist and dangerous people raise to power.

How is the regressive left oblivious to his is beyond me...

wow! this getting out of control! I was talking to an austrian friend and he told me that the problem with refugees is getting worse everyday in Europe. Basically, unskilled guys receiving money from the government, they don't speak the language and are not giving anything to the economy.

Haven't been there myself just passing the info from a European point of view

i have some fb groups i sometimez browse. untill i fill up with so much hate due watching all these refugees assault people/ woman T_T .(irish patriots , stop islamization of the world , etc...)
Lefts are destroying europe >_<. after all the assaults in cologne(keulen).
Some 16 year old cute german girl wears a poster .
" Rather rapists then racists " .
Omg how dumb can u get .

In belgium refugees try to climb on boats( in brugge) and the police arrest these refugees. While local people offer them food and clothes ...
The mayor even requests to not do this , because they are illegal.

Interesting to see how sexualized the rhetoric from the right wing side is. It's such an abstract complex geopolitical issue, but at the end of the day it comes down to "they're raping our women!". It's hard to think logically when your id is getting finger blasted like that.

On January 31 2016 15:33 NMcNasty wrote: Don't worry euros, USA#1 is getting closer and closer to electing lord president Trump and when he's leader of the free world he'll ban Islam.

Humanity would benefit in the long run if he somehow magically did but it would be impossible to do in any humane reasonable manner. Need aliens to show up or something to really make them realize they are worship sand and myths

On February 01 2016 23:32 Silver_nz wrote: Are all cultures are equally good?

That second photo of Iran in 2000s is actually not true. That is not iran and women in Iran don't dress like this. Not even close.

This is how most Iranian girl's are dressing today:

Iranian women made a facebook group called: "My stealthy freedom". It is ment as a protest site against their government that forces them to wear the Hijab (Which is a lotter better than Niqab, but still).

Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics:

The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that.

They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies"

http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran

Iranian women can be so sexy

I'm just glad I live on the USA, where we don't have immigration problems.

Majority of reasoning behind anti immigration in Europe is the same which the US had when the slavery was removed and the rednecks went all :

On February 03 2016 09:47 Spitfiree wrote: Majority of reasoning behind anti immigration in Europe is the same which the US had when the slavery was removed and the rednecks went all :

you are a retard

Was half joke half truth. Don't know what I am. I do know that I'm not shallow minded enough to think that the islamisation of Europe will come to an end as things are developing now however. That train won't be stopped any time soon. You can either accept that and search of ways to integrate people so they don't turn into the thing you're afraid of or you can go all Donald Trump on them waste time and efforts.
Short term violence or actually degeneration of society as a whole is something the EU already fucked up on, good luck reversing it. Plus the way things are going with Schengen and EU both might fall apart, which would be really funny considering its the first global problem that they have to resolve ever since its establishment. Now I'm also guessing that you probably prefer the every nation for itself approach which would be quite dumb and resource wasteful as well.

Kind of funny how you probably always never look at short term results in poker, but probably never do when it comes to real life stuff that actually matter tons more.

Meanwhile I could say its much easier to be objective on the subject as my country is complete shit and even refugees avoid staying here so the consequences of the crisis are much lighter.

There are super easy solutions to this too:
1) Stop aiding Israel and their politics
2) Stop bombing the arabs
3) Stop trying to force cultural crisis's on nations which will obviously not happen
====>No more mentally and physically destroyed people that flee in fear and criminals using that to their advantage

However none of the 3 will happen, you ll continue to think the refugees and islam are the problem and probably end up being the same idiot that most rednecks used to be post abolitionism, since refugees will come, refugees will establish their culture here no matter what the " normal " moral lines are now and its a process that will not be reversed. It's not something to be emotional about, its simply rational consequences that would lead given the current politics and actions upon them. It's not even a concept thats hard to grasp. Being surprised, disgusted or whatever will not change a thing, only thing it shows is that you re a part of the herd.

Its quite retarded thinking in such short sighted terms and not taking global events into consideration.

Actually this pissed me off.
How fucking stupid are you people to understand that those people have no alternative. And the western world has two options:

A) improve these people's fucking lives
B ) bomb the shit out of them

Considering B) has been what they have been doing for the past 30 years it does not look like things will be resolved that way.

On February 01 2016 06:16 PuertoRican wrote: I clicked on this thread expecting to see a LiquidPoker meet-up in Europe in 2016... ...I am disappointed.

sigh...

me too

On February 03 2016 20:26 Spitfiree wrote: Actually this pissed me off. How fucking stupid are you people to understand that those people have no alternative. And the western world has two options: A) improve these people's fucking lives B ) bomb the shit out of them Considering B) has been what they have been doing for the past 30 years it does not look like things will be resolved that way.

Yeah but you also can't have open borders in a limitless manner and provide social support.
And I guess when the war is over it'll be tough to relocate them back? We're talking mass deportations here. There's no clear solution to this and I'd hate to be a politician responsible for making decisions

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On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran

The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.)
The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do.

On February 03 2016 23:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah but you also can't have open borders in a limitless manner and provide social support. And I guess when the war is over it'll be tough to relocate them back? We're talking mass deportations here. There's no clear solution to this and I'd hate to be a politician responsible for making decisions

Thats indeed correct, however you don't start to solve a problem from the top, but from its origin step by step. The situation is problematic cause of Schengen, closing borders would essentially destroy it never mind whats the reasoning behind, which could possibly restrict the EU as well and even dismantle it in the worst case scenario.
As bad as the situation is , its also the perfect opportunity for the EU to establish their ideology and show that their way is the right way.

Anyways we re just common viewers, we don't really matter, it just pisses me off that people get so easily brainwashed by the media and not doubting their beliefs and reasoning.

On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do.

They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law.

It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband.



#yesallmuslims
#praiseallah

Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo?
and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates
You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right?
don't you respect sharia law?
It's their culture.
are you a bigot or what?
open the borders!
It's 2016

On February 04 2016 14:15 Spitfiree wrote: stupid leftist bullshit

i m impressed how you keep blabbing about "ppl having no choice" while even frontex admits 60%+ are ecenomic migrants

On February 03 2016 21:48 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2016 06:16 PuertoRican wrote: I clicked on this thread expecting to see a LiquidPoker meet-up in Europe in 2016... ...I am disappointed. sigh... me too

can we still go?

On February 05 2016 03:47 Svenman87 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2016 21:48 TimDawg wrote:   On February 01 2016 06:16 PuertoRican wrote: I clicked on this thread expecting to see a LiquidPoker meet-up in Europe in 2016... ...I am disappointed. sigh... me too can we still go?

I'm in as long as all the swedes are there (Pinball & SakiSaki)

Justr saw a video of the current state of Damascus.. god damn... there isnt a single building left.. the entire city is rubble.

Its fucking insane what irrational ideologies can do... we are such a stupid species of ape

On February 05 2016 01:08 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2016 14:15 Spitfiree wrote: stupid leftist bullshit i m impressed how you keep blabbing about "ppl having no choice" while even frontex admits 60%+ are ecenomic migrants

I also love how you used the word " admits " rofl


A bit offtopic: Anyone travelled between EU countries via car these weeks? Did they open up a border control or is the transition still easy? A Road trip to Vienna sounds cool, but if we have to wait hours @ border control every time its just not worth it.

On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016

You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing.

But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me?

And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no.

The ideological subversion is complete. Stay cucked useful idiots.

On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no.

So you didnt argue against those numbers at all? because nearly half of Muslims support death for apostasy.

Why shoudl Muslims beliefs should be worring and not Christian ones? well because as stated on that inforgraphic then its pretty clear that their beliefs are more barbaric and backwards thus more worrying.

On February 06 2016 08:42 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote:   On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no. So you didnt argue against those numbers at all? because nearly half of Muslims support death for apostasy. Why shoudl Muslims beliefs should be worring and not Christian ones? well because as stated on that inforgraphic then its pretty clear that their beliefs are more barbaric and backwards thus more worrying.

Because those believes got a lot more to do with the culture than has to do with Islam. Same way that executing gays in Africa has alot more to do with their culture than Christianity.
It is also really easy to come up with polls and number that suit your rhetoric. For example, you walk to ANY city in US and ask question like "Are you Christian?" And follow up that with "Do you support gay marriage?" You will come up with a number of people "against" gay marriage which is much much higher than the reality. That is just how the polling works. It is really easy to manipulate it.
I have been to many Muslim countries in middle-east and southeast Asia. The things that people actually care the most about are shit like food, family, money and the weather. It is not at all ANY different from other religion or countries. But when you have high unemployment combined with bad economy and high wealth disparity you get a lot of crazy people doing a lot of crazy things. That is the root of evil. Not the god or religion they believe in.
That is why people like Sam Harris are disgusting human beings. They are absolutely no different than the crazis ISIS members. They just don't have the opportunity (or balls) to do crazy things because of the societal restraints in the places they live in.

On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no.

It's facts and statistics that lead to truth cap, not emotion.
There is only one truth, and when Sam Harris speaks it in a clear and logical way, backed up with facts and evidence, you call him a bigot?

I know your thought process in poker isn't based on emotion.
So why do you tolerate it in political discourse?

Pretending that the bill of rights and the rules of law won't be influenced by a huge voting block is naive.
The laws will be re-interpreted by mayors, judges, and members of parliament that aren't from Canada's culture and you'll be called a racists bigot hillbilly for speaking up for how the law used to be.

It's true, different areas of the world have different takes on the same religion. This is their culture.

Is that the kind of barbaric, backwards, objectively inferior culture that you want to come into modern western countries?
do you know the numbers on just how many people there are in Africa and the middle east?
do you know the birthrates of Canadians (ones who will uphold Canadian culture/constitution/laws) vs the birthrates of immigrants (who will push their own culture/constitution/laws)?

Imagine if just 2% of Africa moved to Canada --&gt; that's 22,000,000 people.
Is Canada really going to be the same after that? It's over half of Canada's population, and the Africans will have 7 children per woman.

use the facts.
do the calculations.
see how many generations it is going to take until the utopian Canadian culture is destroyed.

On February 06 2016 21:03 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2016 08:42 Baalim wrote:   On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote:   On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no. So you didnt argue against those numbers at all? because nearly half of Muslims support death for apostasy. Why shoudl Muslims beliefs should be worring and not Christian ones? well because as stated on that inforgraphic then its pretty clear that their beliefs are more barbaric and backwards thus more worrying. Because those believes got a lot more to do with the culture than has to do with Islam. Same way that executing gays in Africa has alot more to do with their culture than Christianity. It is also really easy to come up with polls and number that suit your rhetoric. For example, you walk to ANY city in US and ask question like "Are you Christian?" And follow up that with "Do you support gay marriage?" You will come up with a number of people "against" gay marriage which is much much higher than the reality. That is just how the polling works. It is really easy to manipulate it. I have been to many Muslim countries in middle-east and southeast Asia. The things that people actually care the most about are shit like food, family, money and the weather. It is not at all ANY different from other religion or countries. But when you have high unemployment combined with bad economy and high wealth disparity you get a lot of crazy people doing a lot of crazy things. That is the root of evil. Not the god or religion they believe in. That is why people like Sam Harris are disgusting human beings. They are absolutely no different than the crazis ISIS members. They just don't have the opportunity (or balls) to do crazy things because of the societal restraints in the places they live in.

I agree that culture strongly influence these kind of things, but religion do too, Christian scripture is barbaric but people culturally moved away from it, something Islam hasnt been able to do, but both religions are vicious and calling Islam harmless would be calling Christianity harmless in the dark ages, it simply is not true.

Also how is this polling manipulated? Do you have other source that contradicts this or know why this is wrong? otherwise you are just saying "stats are not to be trusted" which is stupid.


Also comparing Sam Harris with ISIS is idiotic, for one Harris isnt a mass murderer, this absurd hyperbole only weakens your arguments.

We need some Polish defense. People forget that had this not happened, EU would not have existed anyway.

the people who have been flooding Europe. as you may have kept up with the news, 60%+ of them are economic migrants. 30%+ of them are not from Syria. those are also possibly conservative figures - not in the sense of being white supremacist or whatever other names you can come up with, but in the sense of being a lower bound based on what would be a safe figure to give. characterizing them, as a group, as "refugees," has been a lie from the very beginning.

what is going on is poor people with shitty lives are looking for a better life. however, they aren't the poorest people, they aren't the people who are suffering, who are in dire need of help. they're people who have enough money to pay to be smuggled through multiple countries until they finally end up in a country with no standards, like Germany. and then they're set. they get there, don't work, get housing, subsidized shit (of course if Germany adopts them, the German budget gets to take care of them). and what's the endgame? the progressives didn't think that through. how do you keep track of these people? how long will they stay? when will you send them away? when Syria is fixed? is there any plan to fix Syria? so these people are staying indefinitely? how is that not what's going on?

hundreds of thousands of the people taken in by Germany fall off the radar, by the way

BEING POOR AND HAVING A SHITTY LIFE IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING A REFUGEE.

There have been, and hopefully in the future still will be, real reasons, and traditions in international law, for granting asylum to people. Based on the region we're talking about, these include things like 1) political persecution (including journalists) 2) religious persecution (for example, atheist) 3) sexual persecution (gays, forced marriage) 4) your house was blown up and the breadwinners are dead. what these examples have in common is there's an extenuating circumstance where you fear for your safety or life.

Just being from a country that's affected by war also isn't enough. For example, in recent history Russia annexed Crimea, but there weren't a million Ukrainian refugees from Kiev flooding into Germany. Why, do you ask...? Because the war wasn't in Kiev. Because we (The World) can't just transplant an entire country into others every time something bad happens.. We should all have sympathy for suffering.

The criteria isn't "poor and brown skinned," for reasons I never thought I'd have to explicitly tell to an adult. Most of the world is poor. That's a serious problem, and it will always be a worthy cause. What we can't do as a society is to use every bad thing that happens as an excuse to open the multicultural floodgates.

"But economic migrants just want a better life" - There is nothing special about that. Let a million economic migrants into the EU. There are still hundreds of millions of people in Asia and Africa that are dirt poor. Women in Bengal sell themselves for a dollar. But it's all okay because you let some moron who paid to cram themselves into a rubber boat and float across the Mediterranean, you let that person have permanent residence in Europe. You feel better. That's all that matters. You did your good deed for the day. Never mind that the money wasted on halal meals for all the single men (this isn't just a meme, ask Cologne) in one of the richest places on Earth would go so much further to help people if it were spent on actual humanitarian causes around the world.



What part of Syria is this helpless refugee from? I guess it doesn't matter, as long as we all feel we're doing the right thing.

I'm poorer than New Yorkers, can I move to NYC as an economic migrant? Get subsidized shit and not work?

In the specific case of Syria/Iraq civil wars, there are about 4 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and others. Those people are ALIVE. They have escaped the war. Their life isn't Park Avenue, but they're not helpless desperate and fleeing. Most of those people were displaced in like 2014 when the Syrian civil war initially carved up the region again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIL_te...e:Territorial_control_of_the_ISIS.svg

This is a map of ISIS territory. What's going on is there are about 6 actors where there are "supposed" (according to WW1 map drawing) to be 3 states. Normally, it'd be Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. Right now, there's Syrian territory, ISIS territory, rebel territory, Iraq, Turkey, and proto-Kurdistan. These are some of the things that need to happen for it to not be fucked up, accompanied by the reason each thing isn't going to happen:
1) ISIS needs to be destroyed and the region occupied - Military intervention is politically unpopular and nobody wants to sell it before an election cycle in the US, Iran or Russian intervention would be an incident
2) Kurds need a sovereign country - Turkey will never give up territory for that.
3) Syria internally needs a diplomatic solution - International community is in the way, same thing they do with Israel/Palestine

In the meantime, turn people away, send people back, deport Merkel and EU bureaucrats, unbelievable incompetence. Countries need a special doctor, like in Star Trek, who can declare leaders unfit. Merkel may well have dementia, and that's not a joke.

On February 02 2016 15:37 Rinny wrote: Interesting to see how sexualized the rhetoric from the right wing side is. It's such an abstract complex geopolitical issue, but at the end of the day it comes down to "they're raping our women!". It's hard to think logically when your id is getting finger blasted like that.

It's not sexualized rhetoric. It's factual, it's the truth that gets exposed if you stop the media and police from covering shit up. "They" also rape girls and boys. You say "our women" pejoratively, as though only the right wing has an interest in the welfare of their friends, mother, sisters, wife, girlfriends. This is not the right wing's fault. This wasn't a class of people that was perfectly well-behaved until a "right-winger" said something mean and forced them to lose control. they commit other crimes as well, you can look at what happens as they settle like in Sweden, it's mugging, assault. rape is considered the 2nd worst crime in our (our) society. at least, it has been until very recently. the sexualization you're talking about is coming from sex offenders, not from the right wing. now suddenly the problem is poverty and it's not migrants' fault that they rape and people have this moronic combination belief that 1) migrants on the whole are just as civil as the people where they end up (bad apples everywhere) 2) since they're migrants we shouldn't hold them to unrealistic expectations like not to rape little boys at the swimming pool.

It's not rhetoric... Rhetoric is over a year of "muh campus rape epidemic" nonsense and then calling people racist after they show there's a class of people that statistically dominates the perpetration of rape in Scandinavian countries.

On February 02 2016 06:32 skytrain wrote: wow! this getting out of control! I was talking to an austrian friend and he told me that the problem with refugees is getting worse everyday in Europe. Basically, unskilled guys receiving money from the government, they don't speak the language and are not giving anything to the economy.

indeed. european bureaucrats have not even attempted to handle this intelligently. where is the army? all these countries with mandatory military/civil service, where was the mobilization of those people? people whose actual job it is to maintain discipline in groups, handle national problems, all that manpower squandered. instead relying on tweenage volunteers and shit. where are the mandatory government work programs for the welfare vacationers? FDR made the CCC but these European social democracies can't put their new arrivals to work? building fences if nothing else? why open a border to accept anyone who enters and have nothing planned after that?

on the other hand it's good they're not building themselves migrant towns to settle down in (more ghettos for later would equally be a mistake). all this shows is Germany/Sweden/Europe are not equipped to import a country's worth of people from a completely different culture, religion, and language.

What does anyone here think is smart about adding millions of vagrants to a continent?

On January 31 2016 23:26 capaneo wrote: There are always liars and losers and criminals etc. among any group of people. There has been there in Europe before, and will be among the new immigrants and refugees.

People being criminals is a huge factor in whether you should give them residence in your country. Is there no amount of crime that would make you reconsider whether a country should bring in a whole class of people that it otherwise has no reason to bring in? Is there no line? No cap? Just let everyone in. How bad does mass migration have to be for both parties involved before you would consider it a bad thing?
1) separate economic migrant from their life, family, social circle
2) no work for them
3) they lower your country's per capita GDP
4) spend tons of taxpayer money subsidizing their life
5) they contribute by committing crime and not assimilating

Who is this arrangement good for? What is anyone getting out of it?

On January 31 2016 23:26 capaneo wrote: You accept refuges despite this because it is the right thing to do.

the situation, the world, are not that simple, which many people would realize if they took a second and stopped trying to show everyone else what good people they think they are, and think

You can't just call a group of people "refugees" and have that justify importing millions of them. That's brazen manipulation. Refugee means something quite specific.

I'm actually coming to realize this is part of the progressive thought control strategy: They can't engage with specifics because th. In fact, they never engaged with specifics; for if they had, we wouldn't have gotten as far as this mess. Anyone with access to honest information, real facts, should have easily been able to predict mass migration like this being a disaster. It starts and ends with "right thing to do" - thinking over. Why is it the right thing to do to accept "refugees" again?

And are you prepared to tell those people in small villages who experience a population explosion (zing) when they get dumped with a bunch of migrants they didn't ask for, are you prepared to tell them to just suck it up and do the "right thing," when it's not your neighborhood where the government has chosen to house everyone?

On January 31 2016 23:26 capaneo wrote: If you do not understand this point and try to demonize a very large group by cherry picking evidence. You are an ignorant bigot and there is really no point in arguing with you.

When all else fails, call people who disagree a bigot. Merkel has said we're supposed to just accept that migrants are more criminal. Is she a bigot, too? Of course, this is coming from someone who called Sam Harris a bigot. lmao.

On February 02 2016 03:37 Baalim wrote: This problem is getting worse because "liberals" simply refuse to acknowledge the problems and say regressive stuff to women like dont dress like X if you dont want to be raped... all this does is allow true racist and dangerous people raise to power. How is the regressive left oblivious to his is beyond me...

indeed, Baal is partly right this time at least. the fact that the "left" (including arms of government, media, even the police) have refused to seriously address these issues over a huge period of time, basically ignoring them and letting them fester, is why people are saying fuck it. they are sick of being lied to and given things they didn't ask for.

however, the suggestion that people who want to simply stop immigration, turn away immigrants, send back migrants, and so forth (I assume this is what's being referenced), are true racist and dangerous people is garbage. there is nothing danger

On February 03 2016 20:26 Spitfiree wrote: Actually this pissed me off. How fucking stupid are you people to understand that those people have no alternative.

they have no alternative but to rape?

On February 03 2016 20:26 Spitfiree wrote: And the western world has two options: A) improve these people's fucking lives B ) bomb the shit out of them Considering B) has been what they have been doing for the past 30 years it does not look like things will be resolved that way.

first of all, this is a false dichotomy. and the reason you created a false dichotomy is because you clumped an entire region under one term "these people"

yes, we need to bomb and otherwise kill jihadi gangsters, and that will help improve the lives of ordinary people. this is also why militaries exist.

furthermore "these people" have been bombing themselves since the bomb was invented. and they will still be bombing themselves 30 years from now no matter what anybody does. specific things we do, including the military, can make specific things better or worse but there isn't a switch you can flip from <IMPERIALIST DOG> to <PEACE CORPS> and make everything okay in the world

On February 04 2016 14:15 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2016 23:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah but you also can't have open borders in a limitless manner and provide social support. And I guess when the war is over it'll be tough to relocate them back? We're talking mass deportations here. There's no clear solution to this and I'd hate to be a politician responsible for making decisions Thats indeed correct, however you don't start to solve a problem from the top, but from its origin step by step. The situation is problematic cause of Schengen, closing borders would essentially destroy it never mind whats the reasoning behind, which could possibly restrict the EU as well and even dismantle it in the worst case scenario. As bad as the situation is , its also the perfect opportunity for the EU to establish their ideology and show that their way is the right way. Anyways we re just common viewers, we don't really matter, it just pisses me off that people get so easily brainwashed by the media and not doubting their beliefs and reasoning.

how is it not a complete abuse of Schengen for people to unilaterally sponsor mass migration? closing borders would be great because you could 1) send people back and 2) show people there are political consequences for mass migration

If you don't even bother to talk about a problem, if you can't take a dispassionate look at it and try your best to understand it, you will never have anything close to a solution or course of action that helps it. This is the whole point of the free exchange of ideas. It's free, everyone's free, but you have to actually put ideas out there for it to work. You have to actually fucking think things through instead of just calling people bigots.

Now, most people in history have been incapable of understanding basically anything that goes on, but that was okay in the past because everything was slow and nobody cared about you. It's a much worse problem today though because of how fast anything can happen, how fast our technology works. That's the value of the status quo. It's something that you should not change without diligent consideration. When you act on random whims, you have a disturbing, no, actually a quite predictable, chance of fucking everything up.

the political shit storm is made in such a way where the " victims " here are the ones that are guilty of actions that led to those consequences
in no means did I say its an easy problem to solve, just because I sum it up in a few sentences doesnt mean there are tons of stuff to do beforehand to have any meaningful progress

controlling borders would be meaningful, fully closing them would be retarded
the question arises- where do you control the borders though, since Bulgaria and Greece don't have anywhere near the resources needed to secure the region, and just having border control everywhere seems quite irrational

Look at my stupid leftist bullshit now, dogmeat
Civillians waving a white flag getting massacred by turkish army
This is what everyday life for those people is, they live under constant fear in monstrous environment.
Now imagine this happening in the whole region for the past decades.
Before you go with the " lul russian propaganda " bullshit argument which is probably your initial reaction know this -> any meaningful report I've read shows that Turkey,USA and NATO overall are bombing civillians and Assad's army, while Russia s actually the one bombing ISIS. Also an airport worker here reported, and by reported I mean well researched written article with photos,dates and everything, that UAE is buying a plane full of weapons from us each ?month? ( could be more often ). Except the whole scheme is made in such a way where our government has no control, the weapons are manufactured by an american jurisdical person so no country can take the blame, I know from first hand source that the main production happening here are missiles. Guess who's bitch UAE is. Now I'm not saying Russia does what it does out of the goodness of their hearts, but they seem adequate, and they are currently the ones taking least civil lives. While NATO is pushing hundreds of people towards ISIS recruits each day. A bunch of crimes in the civilized cant compare to that. Obviously thats no justification of such behaviour, but its an explanation and it shows the source of it and it shows how to respond to the source of it and revoke its consequences

Scratch everything above even, lets ignore Europe's refugees and arab terror for a second. We have Turkey dropping Russian plane, we have russian and turkish direct propaganda provoking hate towards one another in their societies, we have EU on the verge of collapse, we have NK showing they have long distance missiles that actually work provoking tension in the only region thats geopolitically contested and not under full control of the USA. On top of that USA has the real threat of voting a republican president, which considering their campaigns ( both Trump and Cruz ) will be the worst thing that could happen in the civilized world.They both said they will basically bomb Iran if they are elected in office, now if Afghanistan and Iraq were easy military targets, Iran is a completely different story and its actually a force to reckon with and could lead to a global political and military crisis. If there were provocations about new cold war in early 2015, then thats a fact right now.

Those are Kurdish civilians, did you know that? Regimes in Turkey and Iraq have been persecuting Kurds for decades. It's awful, isn't it. But what was your actual point of posting that? Surely you had a point connected to it, and weren't just making an emotional appeal from an anecdote?

You can also link the video of Kerry admitting some money released to Iran will go to funding terrorists (Just like money we send to the Saudi peninsula has been doing also for decades). I won't even mention the hypocrisy of how Obama doesn't believe US citizens should have guns, but supports policies that dump AK47s in the Middle East.

A bunch of crimes in the civilized cant compare to that.

Is this the point you're trying to make: Since the West makes mistakes x,y,z, then we are also obligated to make the mistake of allowing mass migration? And that we shouldn't worry about the murder and rape and everything else that happens as a result, because it's all fair in the end?

The Kurdish are heroes

Santa if you had read one more sentence you wouldn't look like a total dumbass

On February 01 2016 23:32 Silver_nz wrote: Are all cultures equal? The cultural marxists say that they are. That there is something special and valuable in every culture (what tho? this intangible thing has what quantifiable value?) It is a very precious thing that we have the current level of peace, cooperation and progress. Humanity has never been more prosperous. Underpinning all of this is the culture on which was built. Things like the rule of law, cooperation, freedom to question, literacy, family. (most of these things actually supersede local culture. Like wtf does the general word "cooperation" have to do with culture? ) It seems like humanity just keeps going from strength to strength, and no matter what things will continue to improve. But cultural progress does not always have to be forwards. (human progress does not equal cultural progress they are quite different) Are all cultures are equally good?

No all cultures are not equal. Of course they are not. How could they be. There is nothing intrinsically valuable about cultural identity; If anything it is divisive and hurts humanity as a whole. Furthermore some cultures have clearly outcompeted others throughout history and continue to do so meaning they cannot be equal.

On February 03 2016 09:47 Spitfiree wrote: Majority of reasoning behind anti immigration in Europe is the same which the US had when the slavery was removed and the rednecks went all :

LOL NO.

spitfire u middle eastern bro? u islam? or just a SJW

On February 03 2016 16:25 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2016 09:47 Spitfiree wrote: Majority of reasoning behind anti immigration in Europe is the same which the US had when the slavery was removed and the rednecks went all : you are a retard

yes, from his poker views to this

I forget spitfire is some ignorant jealous dolt from some backwater shithole

On February 05 2016 08:55 Baalim wrote: Justr saw a video of the current state of Damascus.. god damn... there isnt a single building left.. the entire city is rubble. Its fucking insane what irrational ideologies can do... we are such a stupid species of ape

yup

its mostly religion tho... and mostly the Islamic religion these days...

At least the Christians took it a little behind the scenes in their plays for world power

On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no are you retarded? This sentence completely contradicts everything you just wrote.

Jews in Canada don't try to make pork illegal because they are reasonable. They themselves just choose not to eat pork. They do not attempt to ban pork and keep other from enjoying it. They do not attempt to enforce their world views on others as the Muslims would via Sharia law Etc.

try again though bud

On February 08 2016 09:23 Spitfiree wrote: Santa if you had read one more sentence you wouldn't look like a total dumbass

Thanks for the response. I'm not womanish enough to care about how I look, so that's no problem. I read this:

Obviously thats no justification of such behaviour, but its an explanation and it shows the source of it and it shows how to respond to the source of it and revoke its consequences

and had no idea what the fuck you were talking about. Nice clarification, though.

On February 07 2016 21:53 Spitfiree wrote: Scratch everything above even, lets ignore Europe's refugees and arab terror for a second. We have Turkey dropping Russian plane, we have russian and turkish direct propaganda provoking hate towards one another in their societies, we have EU on the verge of collapse, we have NK showing they have long distance missiles that actually work provoking tension in the only region thats geopolitically contested and not under full control of the USA. On top of that USA has the real threat of voting a republican president, which considering their campaigns ( both Trump and Cruz ) will be the worst thing that could happen in the civilized world.They both said they will basically bomb Iran if they are elected in office, now if Afghanistan and Iraq were easy military targets, Iran is a completely different story and its actually a force to reckon with and could lead to a global political and military crisis. If there were provocations about new cold war in early 2015, then thats a fact right now.

I see you added a bunch of shit to distract from the topic at hand. You want to point out the threat of EU collapse; well, mass migration is a directly linked factor, why would you want to ignore that for a second? Haven't we ignored it long enough? Okay, Russia violates Turkish airspace and loses a plane. DPRK has ballistic missile technology. We've known that for a while.

We didn't just "bomb" "Iraq" and "Afghanistan," we occupied the countries after ousting regimes because they were ruled by scum/in civil war. When people talk about bombing Iran, they mean exactly that, surgically destroying sites related to building nuclear weapons in the case of Iranian non-conformance to nonproliferation because that's a violation of international law as well as being bad for all our futures.

What's your point? The world is full of problems. Let that not distract from the fact that the solution to one of the problems is exceedingly simple: reverse the flow of subsidized vagrants pouring into Europe.

On February 07 2016 09:22 Santafairy wrote: the people who have been flooding Europe. as you may have kept up with the news, 60%+ of them are economic migrants. 30%+ of them are not from Syria. those are also possibly conservative figures - not in the sense of being white supremacist or whatever other names you can come up with, but in the sense of being a lower bound based on what would be a safe figure to give. characterizing them, as a group, as "refugees," has been a lie from the very beginning. what is going on is poor people with shitty lives are looking for a better life. however, they aren't the poorest people, they aren't the people who are suffering, who are in dire need of help. they're people who have enough money to pay to be smuggled through multiple countries until they finally end up in a country with no standards, like Germany. and then they're set. they get there, don't work, get housing, subsidized shit (of course if Germany adopts them, the German budget gets to take care of them). and what's the endgame? the progressives didn't think that through. how do you keep track of these people? how long will they stay? when will you send them away? when Syria is fixed? is there any plan to fix Syria? so these people are staying indefinitely? how is that not what's going on? hundreds of thousands of the people taken in by Germany fall off the radar, by the way BEING POOR AND HAVING A SHITTY LIFE IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING A REFUGEE. There have been, and hopefully in the future still will be, real reasons, and traditions in international law, for granting asylum to people. Based on the region we're talking about, these include things like 1) political persecution (including journalists) 2) religious persecution (for example, atheist) 3) sexual persecution (gays, forced marriage) 4) your house was blown up and the breadwinners are dead. what these examples have in common is there's an extenuating circumstance where you fear for your safety or life. Just being from a country that's affected by war also isn't enough. For example, in recent history Russia annexed Crimea, but there weren't a million Ukrainian refugees from Kiev flooding into Germany. Why, do you ask...? Because the war wasn't in Kiev. Because we (The World) can't just transplant an entire country into others every time something bad happens.. We should all have sympathy for suffering. The criteria isn't "poor and brown skinned," for reasons I never thought I'd have to explicitly tell to an adult. Most of the world is poor. That's a serious problem, and it will always be a worthy cause. What we can't do as a society is to use every bad thing that happens as an excuse to open the multicultural floodgates. "But economic migrants just want a better life" - There is nothing special about that. Let a million economic migrants into the EU. There are still hundreds of millions of people in Asia and Africa that are dirt poor. Women in Bengal sell themselves for a dollar. But it's all okay because you let some moron who paid to cram themselves into a rubber boat and float across the Mediterranean, you let that person have permanent residence in Europe. You feel better. That's all that matters. You did your good deed for the day. Never mind that the money wasted on halal meals for all the single men (this isn't just a meme, ask Cologne) in one of the richest places on Earth would go so much further to help people if it were spent on actual humanitarian causes around the world. What part of Syria is this helpless refugee from? I guess it doesn't matter, as long as we all feel we're doing the right thing. I'm poorer than New Yorkers, can I move to NYC as an economic migrant? Get subsidized shit and not work? In the specific case of Syria/Iraq civil wars, there are about 4 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and others. Those people are ALIVE. They have escaped the war. Their life isn't Park Avenue, but they're not helpless desperate and fleeing. Most of those people were displaced in like 2014 when the Syrian civil war initially carved up the region again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIL_te...e:Territorial_control_of_the_ISIS.svg This is a map of ISIS territory. What's going on is there are about 6 actors where there are "supposed" (according to WW1 map drawing) to be 3 states. Normally, it'd be Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. Right now, there's Syrian territory, ISIS territory, rebel territory, Iraq, Turkey, and proto-Kurdistan. These are some of the things that need to happen for it to not be fucked up, accompanied by the reason each thing isn't going to happen: 1) ISIS needs to be destroyed and the region occupied - Military intervention is politically unpopular and nobody wants to sell it before an election cycle in the US, Iran or Russian intervention would be an incident 2) Kurds need a sovereign country - Turkey will never give up territory for that. 3) Syria internally needs a diplomatic solution - International community is in the way, same thing they do with Israel/Palestine In the meantime, turn people away, send people back, deport Merkel and EU bureaucrats, unbelievable incompetence. Countries need a special doctor, like in Star Trek, who can declare leaders unfit. Merkel may well have dementia, and that's not a joke. Show nested quote + On February 02 2016 15:37 Rinny wrote: Interesting to see how sexualized the rhetoric from the right wing side is. It's such an abstract complex geopolitical issue, but at the end of the day it comes down to "they're raping our women!". It's hard to think logically when your id is getting finger blasted like that. It's not sexualized rhetoric. It's factual, it's the truth that gets exposed if you stop the media and police from covering shit up. "They" also rape girls and boys. You say "our women" pejoratively, as though only the right wing has an interest in the welfare of their friends, mother, sisters, wife, girlfriends. This is not the right wing's fault. This wasn't a class of people that was perfectly well-behaved until a "right-winger" said something mean and forced them to lose control. they commit other crimes as well, you can look at what happens as they settle like in Sweden, it's mugging, assault. rape is considered the 2nd worst crime in our (our) society. at least, it has been until very recently. the sexualization you're talking about is coming from sex offenders, not from the right wing. now suddenly the problem is poverty and it's not migrants' fault that they rape and people have this moronic combination belief that 1) migrants on the whole are just as civil as the people where they end up (bad apples everywhere) 2) since they're migrants we shouldn't hold them to unrealistic expectations like not to rape little boys at the swimming pool. It's not rhetoric... Rhetoric is over a year of "muh campus rape epidemic" nonsense and then calling people racist after they show there's a class of people that statistically dominates the perpetration of rape in Scandinavian countries.   On February 02 2016 06:32 skytrain wrote: wow! this getting out of control! I was talking to an austrian friend and he told me that the problem with refugees is getting worse everyday in Europe. Basically, unskilled guys receiving money from the government, they don't speak the language and are not giving anything to the economy. indeed. european bureaucrats have not even attempted to handle this intelligently. where is the army? all these countries with mandatory military/civil service, where was the mobilization of those people? people whose actual job it is to maintain discipline in groups, handle national problems, all that manpower squandered. instead relying on tweenage volunteers and shit. where are the mandatory government work programs for the welfare vacationers? FDR made the CCC but these European social democracies can't put their new arrivals to work? building fences if nothing else? why open a border to accept anyone who enters and have nothing planned after that? on the other hand it's good they're not building themselves migrant towns to settle down in (more ghettos for later would equally be a mistake). all this shows is Germany/Sweden/Europe are not equipped to import a country's worth of people from a completely different culture, religion, and language. What does anyone here think is smart about adding millions of vagrants to a continent?   On January 31 2016 23:26 capaneo wrote: There are always liars and losers and criminals etc. among any group of people. There has been there in Europe before, and will be among the new immigrants and refugees. People being criminals is a huge factor in whether you should give them residence in your country. Is there no amount of crime that would make you reconsider whether a country should bring in a whole class of people that it otherwise has no reason to bring in? Is there no line? No cap? Just let everyone in. How bad does mass migration have to be for both parties involved before you would consider it a bad thing? 1) separate economic migrant from their life, family, social circle 2) no work for them 3) they lower your country's per capita GDP 4) spend tons of taxpayer money subsidizing their life 5) they contribute by committing crime and not assimilating Who is this arrangement good for? What is anyone getting out of it?   On January 31 2016 23:26 capaneo wrote: You accept refuges despite this because it is the right thing to do. the situation, the world, are not that simple, which many people would realize if they took a second and stopped trying to show everyone else what good people they think they are, and think You can't just call a group of people "refugees" and have that justify importing millions of them. That's brazen manipulation. Refugee means something quite specific. I'm actually coming to realize this is part of the progressive thought control strategy: They can't engage with specifics because th. In fact, they never engaged with specifics; for if they had, we wouldn't have gotten as far as this mess. Anyone with access to honest information, real facts, should have easily been able to predict mass migration like this being a disaster. It starts and ends with "right thing to do" - thinking over. Why is it the right thing to do to accept "refugees" again? And are you prepared to tell those people in small villages who experience a population explosion (zing) when they get dumped with a bunch of migrants they didn't ask for, are you prepared to tell them to just suck it up and do the "right thing," when it's not your neighborhood where the government has chosen to house everyone?   On January 31 2016 23:26 capaneo wrote: If you do not understand this point and try to demonize a very large group by cherry picking evidence. You are an ignorant bigot and there is really no point in arguing with you. When all else fails, call people who disagree a bigot. Merkel has said we're supposed to just accept that migrants are more criminal. Is she a bigot, too? Of course, this is coming from someone who called Sam Harris a bigot. lmao.   On February 02 2016 03:37 Baalim wrote: This problem is getting worse because "liberals" simply refuse to acknowledge the problems and say regressive stuff to women like dont dress like X if you dont want to be raped... all this does is allow true racist and dangerous people raise to power. How is the regressive left oblivious to his is beyond me... indeed, Baal is partly right this time at least. the fact that the "left" (including arms of government, media, even the police) have refused to seriously address these issues over a huge period of time, basically ignoring them and letting them fester, is why people are saying fuck it. they are sick of being lied to and given things they didn't ask for. however, the suggestion that people who want to simply stop immigration, turn away immigrants, send back migrants, and so forth (I assume this is what's being referenced), are true racist and dangerous people is garbage. there is nothing danger   On February 03 2016 20:26 Spitfiree wrote: Actually this pissed me off. How fucking stupid are you people to understand that those people have no alternative. they have no alternative but to rape?   On February 03 2016 20:26 Spitfiree wrote: And the western world has two options: A) improve these people's fucking lives B ) bomb the shit out of them Considering B) has been what they have been doing for the past 30 years it does not look like things will be resolved that way. first of all, this is a false dichotomy. and the reason you created a false dichotomy is because you clumped an entire region under one term "these people" yes, we need to bomb and otherwise kill jihadi gangsters, and that will help improve the lives of ordinary people. this is also why militaries exist. furthermore "these people" have been bombing themselves since the bomb was invented. and they will still be bombing themselves 30 years from now no matter what anybody does. specific things we do, including the military, can make specific things better or worse but there isn't a switch you can flip from <IMPERIALIST DOG> to <PEACE CORPS> and make everything okay in the world   On February 04 2016 14:15 Spitfiree wrote:   On February 03 2016 23:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah but you also can't have open borders in a limitless manner and provide social support. And I guess when the war is over it'll be tough to relocate them back? We're talking mass deportations here. There's no clear solution to this and I'd hate to be a politician responsible for making decisions Thats indeed correct, however you don't start to solve a problem from the top, but from its origin step by step. The situation is problematic cause of Schengen, closing borders would essentially destroy it never mind whats the reasoning behind, which could possibly restrict the EU as well and even dismantle it in the worst case scenario. As bad as the situation is , its also the perfect opportunity for the EU to establish their ideology and show that their way is the right way. Anyways we re just common viewers, we don't really matter, it just pisses me off that people get so easily brainwashed by the media and not doubting their beliefs and reasoning. how is it not a complete abuse of Schengen for people to unilaterally sponsor mass migration? closing borders would be great because you could 1) send people back and 2) show people there are political consequences for mass migration If you don't even bother to talk about a problem, if you can't take a dispassionate look at it and try your best to understand it, you will never have anything close to a solution or course of action that helps it. This is the whole point of the free exchange of ideas. It's free, everyone's free, but you have to actually put ideas out there for it to work. You have to actually fucking think things through instead of just calling people bigots. Now, most people in history have been incapable of understanding basically anything that goes on, but that was okay in the past because everything was slow and nobody cared about you. It's a much worse problem today though because of how fast anything can happen, how fast our technology works. That's the value of the status quo. It's something that you should not change without diligent consideration. When you act on random whims, you have a disturbing, no, actually a quite predictable, chance of fucking everything up.

Love the black guy on the left rocking the shit eating grin like he won the lottery (he did)

I'll just stick to MMA threads, this forum has become a congregation of reverse dunning kruger bias ( maybe not so much if you actually get it, I'm sure santa and trax won't )

On February 08 2016 20:36 Spitfiree wrote: I'll just stick to MMA threads, this forum has become a congregation of reverse dunning kruger bias ( maybe not so much if you actually get it, I'm sure santa and trax won't )

you are way too smart and educated, dont waste your time with us peasants

you speak of a specific form of cognitive bias relating to skillsets (and perceptions thereof) which has nothing to do with the essentially philosophical discourse in this thread in an attempt to place your intellect above that of others.

An example of the Dunning-Kruger effect would be you, Spitfire, thinking you would be a rich HS player if only you had the means to play on Bovada.

I don't pretend to be an expert on any of this. I make borderline bigoted controversial statements because I find it amusing to troll people like you. Should be fairly obvious. It is quite clear that there is a problem in the world involving Islamic peoples and their interactions with the rest of the world. I don't pretend to have all of the answers but I at least recognize some of the key issues and seek a non defeatists solution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/wor...afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

“But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

On February 08 2016 20:36 Spitfiree wrote: I'll just stick to MMA threads, this forum has become a congregation of reverse dunning kruger bias ( maybe not so much if you actually get it, I'm sure santa and trax won't )

I understand, you can't carry on a discussion, so you needed an elevated way to call people stupid as an out, but saying "Dunning-Kruger" wasn't enough, you wanted something more pretentious, so you added "reverse," hoping nobody would realize that makes no sense, is that about right?

On February 03 2016 09:47 Spitfiree wrote: Majority of reasoning behind anti immigration in Europe is the same which the US had when the slavery was removed and the rednecks went all :

This was a gem all around:
-Thinking there were "rednecks" in the 1860s
-Thinking slave owners believed their jobs as slave owners would be stolen by former slaves after slavery was to be abolished
-Not realizing blacks in the South for the most part stayed where they were, only as paid laborers rather than slaves
-Thinking there's jobs magically available for the mass welfare migrants in Europe

On February 07 2016 21:53 Spitfiree wrote: On top of that USA has the real threat of voting a republican president, which considering their campaigns ( both Trump and Cruz ) will be the worst thing that could happen in the civilized world.They both said they will basically bomb Iran if they are elected in office, now if Afghanistan and Iraq were easy military targets, Iran is a completely different story and its actually a force to reckon with and could lead to a global political and military crisis. If there were provocations about new cold war in early 2015, then thats a fact right now.

I'm not sure this will be the case. Would probably depend on how well Russian assistance in Syria plays out for Assad, which as it's going now looks like it might have him back in full control eventually.

Anyways, regardless of what those 2 guys say while trying to get elected, they're not going to prod Iran at all. It's pretty clear the U.S. is alright with Iran's position in the ME cause it provides a counter balance to all the hostile nations around them.

It's possible US foreign policy is just this dumb, but when they effectively banned Sunni's from the Iraqi army I think they were aware this would improve Iran's regional power a bit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...-German-student-asked-enjoyed-it.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/6562...let-50million-African-workers-into-EU

On February 10 2016 02:14 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2016 21:53 Spitfiree wrote: On top of that USA has the real threat of voting a republican president, which considering their campaigns ( both Trump and Cruz ) will be the worst thing that could happen in the civilized world.They both said they will basically bomb Iran if they are elected in office, now if Afghanistan and Iraq were easy military targets, Iran is a completely different story and its actually a force to reckon with and could lead to a global political and military crisis. If there were provocations about new cold war in early 2015, then thats a fact right now. I'm not sure this will be the case. Would probably depend on how well Russian assistance in Syria plays out for Assad, which as it's going now looks like it might have him back in full control eventually. Anyways, regardless of what those 2 guys say while trying to get elected, they're not going to prod Iran at all. It's pretty clear the U.S. is alright with Iran's position in the ME cause it provides a counter balance to all the hostile nations around them. It's possible US foreign policy is just this dumb, but when they effectively banned Sunni's from the Iraqi army I think they were aware this would improve Iran's regional power a bit.

Ive never seen a politician more hostile towards Iran than Hillary Clinton, even when she was an irrelevant Senator she kept going on and on about them, obviously Im not stupid enough to think a politician like that would ever speak publicly of a true belief so she probably just trying to rile people up to gather support.

https://www.rt.com/news/332203-germany-refugee-billboards-merkel/

https://www.rt.com/news/332179-erdogan-refugees-syria-eu/

"They were from all over, not just Syria and Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran, Eritrea, Morocco, Sudan..." - Susan Sarandon

there are pretty much no refugees from current wave staying permanently in czech rep, thou there was an attempt to officially relocate 4 families from libanon and syria. 2 of them left to germany during the 1st night and one is threatening to move back to libanon b/c they find their accommodation unsuitable.

"these ppl have no choice"" srsl fck you spitfire, i cant even grasp on your retardation and disconnection from the real world

https://archive.is/GdQnm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

quoting some heated rural town hall assembly meeting as something of substance is fucking retarded Santa


same goes for OP's images, which are all from some Swedish local junk newspapers trying make the $$$ by using sensationalism; which works in real world and obviously works here too

what world do you live in uick? apart from the real world and LP.

On February 08 2016 19:55 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote:   On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no are you retarded? This sentence completely contradicts everything you just wrote. Jews in Canada don't try to make pork illegal because they are reasonable. They themselves just choose not to eat pork. They do not attempt to ban pork and keep other from enjoying it. They do not attempt to enforce their world views on others as the Muslims would via Sharia law Etc. try again though bud

You are clearly a bigot. What makes you think Muslims in Canada trying to impose Sharia law? Because a few of them said so? Some Jews want to ban pork, some Muslims want to impose their sharia law, and some Christians want to impose their crazy laws. There is absolutely no difference. Crazy Christians are same as crazy jews and same as crazy Muslims. There is absolutely no difference.

On February 13 2016 04:30 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2016 19:55 traxamillion wrote:   On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote:   On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no are you retarded? This sentence completely contradicts everything you just wrote. Jews in Canada don't try to make pork illegal because they are reasonable. They themselves just choose not to eat pork. They do not attempt to ban pork and keep other from enjoying it. They do not attempt to enforce their world views on others as the Muslims would via Sharia law Etc. try again though bud You are clearly a bigot. What makes you think Muslims in Canada trying to impose Sharia law? Because a few of them said so? Some Jews want to ban pork, some Muslims want to impose their sharia law, and some Christians want to impose their crazy laws. There is absolutely no difference. Crazy Christians are same as crazy jews and same as crazy Muslims. There is absolutely no difference.

Except that the statistics posted above prove that a very high % of muslims hold crazy beliefs unlike Jews or Christians, which is much much lower.

Vice did an undercover report on the whole sinking boats thing, the smugglers actually give a knife to the boat "captain" and he deliberately sinks the rubber boat with it when a turkish patrol boat is visible. It's a loophole they use in UN international law of the sea that patrol boats MUST take them into their country. all this talk of a trechearous sea voyage seems bullshit as well, as the need for a legit captain to navigate the rubber boats seems unecessary and almost all make it safely except for the ones who puncture their boats and some cannot swim or are not able to be picked up by turkish patrols. I'm not saying not to take in any refugees at all, but maybe initially just women and children who are the most vulnerable ones but it seems that is not what is really happening.

Stop the presses, migrants using "unlawful" tactics to migrate.
no shit Sherlock.

You can't refuse refugees, no matter what, every human being , by Geneva convention has right to seek asylum, right to go to court and to try to prove they need it. That's the real world you dumb fucks, you can't pick and choose.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...efugee-doctors-health-scotland-asylum

Balance out the shit news that gets posted in here

On February 13 2016 11:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2016 04:30 capaneo wrote:   On February 08 2016 19:55 traxamillion wrote:   On February 06 2016 03:27 capaneo wrote:   On February 04 2016 23:14 Silver_nz wrote:   On February 04 2016 08:47 capaneo wrote:   On February 02 2016 20:23 Silver_nz wrote: Iran has gotten better under the new president, still, for the women in the pics: The morality police will stop them in the street and cart them away in black vans to be lectured and shamed until they cry if they wear their hijab like that. They must submit to the theocracy which knows what is best for them - "unwrapped candy bars attract masses of flies" http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/iran The photos I posted of the Iranian girls, those girls actually are wearing hijab. It is the Iranian version of Islam and hijab. That is how majority of women and specially younger women (before you say anything you should know that 65% of Iran population are under the age of 35 and over 25% of entire country are between ages of 25 and 30 so when I say young people, that actually means the majority of people.) The cops in Iran would not stop those girls that I posted the photos are. It is pretty much normal to dress like that in Iran and most women and girls do. They aren't wearing their Hijab properly. they are half unwrapped candybars flouting the law. It's for their own benefit that they be disciplined. Islamic culture teaches us that ALL women must dress modestly and obey their father or husband. #yesallmuslims #praiseallah Don't you want to import refugees until half of Canada is Muslim Capaneo? and of course that bigger Muslim demographic will start electing their Muslim delegates You won't mind if they institute similar policies in Canada right? don't you respect sharia law? It's their culture. are you a bigot or what? open the borders! It's 2016 You sound as ignorant and stupid as Sam Harris and his bigoted views. Some versions of Islam are a lot stricter than others and are full of idiots and desperate people (mostly because of poor economic in respected countries). Those people are wearing hijab in the Iranian version of Islam and that is how majority of Iranian women look like on the streets. There are extreme cases of Muslims in Iran, United States, Canada and Saudi Arabia. There are crazy christians in Africa who are murdering gay people too. What does that tell you about Christians in France? Nothing. But this conversation should have nothing to do with Islam. I don't give a shit what imaginary god the refugees believe in. I don't give a shit if half (or all) of Canada are Muslims, Jews or MonsterSpagetti followers. There is the bill of rights and the rules of law that we have to protect everything else is their own business. Do I have to be worried that all Christian Canadians are going to get together and try to ban gay marriage, working Sundays etc? Do I have to worry about the Jews in Canada trying to make pork illegal? So why the Muslims should be any different and worry me? And no I don't have to respect other countries laws, or culture. In some southern states people marry their cousin. Do I have to respect that? Fuck no are you retarded? This sentence completely contradicts everything you just wrote. Jews in Canada don't try to make pork illegal because they are reasonable. They themselves just choose not to eat pork. They do not attempt to ban pork and keep other from enjoying it. They do not attempt to enforce their world views on others as the Muslims would via Sharia law Etc. try again though bud You are clearly a bigot. What makes you think Muslims in Canada trying to impose Sharia law? Because a few of them said so? Some Jews want to ban pork, some Muslims want to impose their sharia law, and some Christians want to impose their crazy laws. There is absolutely no difference. Crazy Christians are same as crazy jews and same as crazy Muslims. There is absolutely no difference. Except that the statistics posted above prove that a very high % of muslims hold crazy beliefs unlike Jews or Christians, which is much much lower.

No, those stats are bullshit like I said. Here is another poll that is complete bullshit about Christians in US. Like I said before in polling the way the questions are asked matters alot.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/2...n-christianity-national-religion.html

On February 13 2016 17:04 uiCk wrote: You can't refuse refugees, no matter what, every human being , by Geneva convention has right to seek asylum, right to go to court and to try to prove they need it. That's the real world you dumb fucks, you can't pick and choose.

most of the refugees are not from Syria.

I Guess these laws will be changed this year if so many keep comming.

On February 14 2016 03:18 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2016 17:04 uiCk wrote: You can't refuse refugees, no matter what, every human being , by Geneva convention has right to seek asylum, right to go to court and to try to prove they need it. That's the real world you dumb fucks, you can't pick and choose. most of the refugees are not from Syria. I Guess these laws will be changed this year if so many keep comming.

who cares where they from, people are free to try and migrate where ever they want/can go to, wtf is so hard to understand; there are international rules for asylum seekers; if you want to do something about it, build walls, militarize your broders, or STFU and let the people in charge deal with this, don't need no sub iq retartds spewing their dumbass opinions about how they feel about situations that have no real effect on.


and fucking Whammm stfu with brainwash cult molyneux garbage, read some real pieces from real experts on the issues at hand then some retartd who has minimal understanding of psychology that he uses to manipulate and brainwash naive retards like you whammm

On February 14 2016 17:12 uiCk wrote: [QUOTE]On February 14 2016 03:18 VanDerMeyde wrote: [QUOTE]On February 13 2016 17:04 uiCk wrote: don't need no sub iq retartds

Not sure if serious

If this was a purely immigration problem I'd understand your staunch support for just taking them in and dismissing everything that's being reported out there, I really would. Here's something recent that involves Canada, since your PM shares your views on the matter right? At least you guys live in a sparsely populated rich country

On February 13 2016 17:04 uiCk wrote: You can't refuse refugees, no matter what, every human being , by Geneva convention has right to seek asylum, right to go to court and to try to prove they need it. That's the real world you dumb fucks, you can't pick and choose.

You sound like Colonel Hogan with this fucking drivel. "Something I don't like... hmm... IT'S AGAINST THE GENEVA CONVENTION!"

On February 13 2016 17:13 uiCk wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...efugee-doctors-health-scotland-asylum Balance out the shit news that gets posted in here

30 doctors, that's great, that's a fair compensation for the Doctors Without Borders people we send over there. Although I have a question, shouldn't those doctors be helping Germany straining to fix the teeth and diseases of those 1.1 million people it just imported? UK has the same problem with people leeching benefits. It's all okay though. Instead of actually building a society and sending more Scots to medical school, we imported 30 foreign doctors.

The influx of refugees and asylum-seekers, many with valuable and highly specialised skills, provides a golden opportunity for Scotland to grow its working population and thus strengthen our economy.

What a puff piece.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...xual-emergency-hadn-t-sex-months.html

On February 13 2016 18:11 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2016 11:34 Baalim wrote: Except that the statistics posted above prove that a very high % of muslims hold crazy beliefs unlike Jews or Christians, which is much much lower. No, those stats are bullshit like I said. Here is another poll that is complete bullshit about Christians in US. Like I said before in polling the way the questions are asked matters alot. http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/2...n-christianity-national-religion.html

The stats are not bullshit. If I ask someone "Do you agree with the stoning of adulterers?" and they say yes, you can hardly barge in and tell me that was unfair, it was a trick question.

I don't know why you're linking to a poll about Republicans, is this another sad attempt to show the west is equally bad as Islam? Because 57% of US Republicans surveyed said they would support establishing Christianity as the national religion? Just the same red herring.

On February 12 2016 23:17 uiCk wrote: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism quoting some heated rural town hall assembly meeting as something of substance is fucking retarded Santa same goes for OP's images, which are all from some Swedish local junk newspapers trying make the $$$ by using sensationalism; which works in real world and obviously works here too

Are you not objecting to the content of the article? The mayor of Cologne says not to "provoke" rapefugees. The mayor of bumfuckville says the same thing, regarding children. Find that kind of government response interesting at all? The fact that a mayor wants to call the police at a meeting, the fact that the police meet people protesting the Cologne attacks, but when it comes to actual violence these people are committing, the police M.O. is to ignore it, do nothing, and cover it up?

We keep getting examples of these small towns and villages in multiple countries objecting to getting a bunch of unemployed vagrants getting dumped on them, rightfully saying they never wanted or asked for it. Just because you personally don't mind Canada turning military bases into refugee ghettos and withdrawing from armed conflict doesn't mean the rest of society wants a bunch of welfare neighbors.

In response, the mayor said: “Well, it’s technically not necessary for the girls to walk there. There are alternative routes for going to school. This is just the way it is. Do you think [sexual harassment] doesn’t exist among Germans?”

How can anyone believe this shit?
-Kids walk to school every day for years
-Less than a hundred migrants introduced, already problems
-Mayor, you supposedly represent the citizens who built this country, what can you do to help fix this problem?
-KIDS CAN WALK SOMEWHERE ELSE THIS IS JUST THE WAY IT IS NOW GERMANS ARE EQUALLY BAD

No thinking person can believe the last part. I'm sorry, but it requires a suspension of reality. We keep getting fed two wholly contradictory stories of propaganda in the hope that they'll stick:
1) That these people, who can afford to smuggle themselves across countries, who are so picky as to throw out food, many of whom are single males, who fail to integrate and hundreds of thousands of whom are lost and not tracked, who come from places that aren't warzones, are, as a group for the most part, in desperate need of humanitarian help (from 20 countries over for some reason).

2) That these people, who come from poor shitholes and suck up welfare, are, as a group for the most part, equally as skilled laborers and are as civilized as the native population of Germany, one of the richest and most peaceful places on the planet. (In which case the obvious question would be: why did Germany wait until there was a civil war in Syria to import millions of these great catches? Since so many of them aren't Syrians, why did the brilliant and competent German government decide to wait until they had an excuse, the strife in Syria, before extending a welcome to these people? The answer is that it's actually bullshit.)

It comes as a new report estimates migrants will cost Germany $76.72 billion (€50 billion) by the end of next year. The Cologne Institute for Economic Research found shelter, welfare and integration policies will cost $34.26 billion (€22 billion) this year, and a further $42.99 billion (€27.6 billion) next year. Germany took in more than 1.1 million migrants last year.

$34.26 billion for 1.1 million migrants is $31,145 per person.

Turkey is already hosting 2.5 million refugees from Syria's civil war and hundreds of thousands from Iraq and is increasingly bitter it has been left to shoulder the burden. Erdogan said Turkey had already spent some $9 billion on hosting refugees and lashed out at the UN for pressing it to let in tens of thousands of Syrians fleeing fighting in Aleppo massed on its border.

$9 billion for 2.5 million migrants is $3,600 per person.
It costs nearly 10 times as much money to board the ingrates in Germany than to leave them inside the Middle East, in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and so forth, where they share a common culture, religion, and language, and where they could eventually go back and rebuild their lives when the situation in Syria is resolved, or if they're not from Syria, they can fuck off because being poor doesn't make you a refugee. Germany is nothing more than a subsidized vacation for these people. There's no work for them there. Only welfare. It's not an investment either when they end up going back after realizing they're homesick vagrants. $31,145 per person per year? Are you joking? For what education, training, to make these people actually assimilate and contribute to society, what's that money being spent on that's an investment in Germany's future? Wait, I thought these people were skilled already, doesn't that mean we don't have to educate them? When do they start splitting atoms? Actually, I'd rather them NOT try and do that. If there aren't jobs, why isn't the government making work programs and conscripting these people like FDR did? Could it be because the government is an incompetent, agenda-driven pile of shit?

Let them stay where they came from, send them back, we can pay for their humanitarian needs much more easily if they're in a place where the cost of living ISN'T ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD, we can't import one entire Slovenia worth of a completely different class of people to Europe this way and expect it to all work out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/art...gees-destroying-country.html#comments