I am a Hypocrite

I actually quit porn (not wanking tho, I'm a wanker and always shall be :D)
Just don't feel like I need it

Also there's some bullshit in this for sure (The testosterone thing just sounds lol) but interesting podcast nonetheless - you objectify women less if you don't succumb to the porn/media culture.
http://www.menprovement.com/mpp023


basically its not just about women as boobies and vajayjay, but rather a person with boobies and vajayyaj :D

big fan of this podcast btw

and whats wrong with objectifying women?

I don't understand why does getting attracted to good looking women instantly means you objectify them.Physical attraction will always come first its how we are programmed ( well at least until they create the AI ). I doubt you go around telling women stuff like nice boobs & etc. This whole feminism bullshit is just getting too much publicity. Do you think women don't objectify men ? Do you think they think about your character as a first impression?

Textile production and labor abuse are a whole other topic. Overall we are all hypocrites for one thing or another. I just get pissed when it comes to "sexual objectification" since feminism tries to establish it to a much deeper level than it actually is. Fuck that

god damn it I swear that if the sort of political correctness that's haunting RiKD ever fully prevails, it will be a world sadder than every dystopia that has ever been imagined.
Let's try to kill/twist every natural urge we have in order to feel intellectually superior and moral, like small pebbles that have become round , white and identical by rubbing each other over and over through suffocating (social) pressure...

to some extent we are all hypocrits

You're doing what you can in the scope of your reality. To escape from it all you gotta become a monk or something. Live in society and simply being aware of it all can be looked at as minimizing enough. As long as you're not ignorant and understand where things come from and how the world operates, it's a huge in the right direction. No need to feel guilty.

objectification doesn't real, it's a feminist buzzword for sex-negativity

it started off like most things in feminism, as a rejection excuse for women so they can deflect sexual interest in themselves. similar to saying you have a boyfriend or AIDS. the problem is as a group feminists have repeated so much they think it's some kind of academic truth now, all it is is demonizing sexual or even nonsexual attraction

never let any man or woman whose parents spent $150k on their gender studies degree get away with thinking they're right about something like objectification, take 30 seconds to let them know they're full of shit. professional models are human beings and they have free agency and if they want to be in a shampoo ad or world record gangbang movie it's their own choice

the other part doesn't seem hypocritical, I'm sure there's problems with factory farming but I'm hardly going to stop eating meat

put it this way you're not going to stop global warming by riding a bike

although you're correct in general that doublethink, being hypocritical, contradicting yourself, compartmentalizing beliefs, is probably something to avoid, you have to be realistic and accept some things are beyond your control right?

--- Nuked ---

how is watching paid porn actors objectifying them.

they're accepting a contract that says people will view me doing sex in exchange for money.

i understand that a high % of porn actors probably have addiction or other emotional issues, but i'm not sure if that means the industry in itself is inherently wrong.

i really don't understand how a man can even entertain the idea that he's objectifying a woman when his mind goes caveman for a few seconds and he catches himself staring at some girls tits. it's clearly a biological thing and it will happen to any man with a reasonable sex drive.

obviously you shouldn't try to stare and most normal people who catch themselves doing it stop, but acting like it's a learned behavior is ridiculous.

On June 16 2015 15:13 dnagardi wrote: to some extent we are all hypocrits

+1

Also I'd like to add that male and females are designed by nature to behave/think a certain way.

All women want to be beautiful and have people lust after them, they just don't want the negative aspects that come with the territory.

Some women love doing porn, more like watching it, lots of women like sex and they think about guys the way we think about women.

currently in this stage of my life due to my surrounding circumstances (environment, health, work, life) my sex drive is at an all time low. its like not being able to see in color anymore but because you only see in black and white, you don't even know what you're really missing. you only have the memories of color. if that makes any sense at all. which it prob doesn't 

the world is one giant bottle of hypocrite. Be yourself they said, who cares what others think they said.
Well myself, i like ass and titties.

Too much propaganda nowadays. people telling you what to do.
Im a grown ass man. I don't do wrong. i like what i like and have no shame!

Feeling bad about "objectifying" women because biology has made men attracted to things like tits, ass, vagina, etc. etc. for obviuos reproduction purposes makes about as much sense as christians saying you're committing adultery for checking out some girls ass in yoga pants when you're not married to her.

The objectification argument is fucking stupid. Like saying how the women in porn are just objects to be fucked, and they have no real personality and it doesn't matter who they are is one sided bullshit feminist propoganda. Guess what? Are men in porn not objectified? All the guy is there for is his dick. Most of the time his full body isn't even in view, it's just his dick. He's only there to use his dick to fuck some girl. His personality and who he is doesn't matter at all. Same shit. Everyone's an object in some way, get over it.

On June 16 2015 22:56 mnj wrote: currently in this stage of my life due to my surrounding circumstances (environment, health, work, life) my sex drive is at an all time low. its like not being able to see in color anymore but because you only see in black and white, you don't even know what you're really missing. you only have the memories of color. if that makes any sense at all. which it prob doesn't

Having been through opiod addiction and the resulting plummet in sex drive this makes perfect sense

ugh

I think it's about seeing a woman not only as Boobies and vajayjay, but as a person with boobies and vajayjay no? Hard to see anyone being against men getting horny for women, their sexuality is just part of who they are

On June 17 2015 08:22 LemOn[5thF] wrote: I think it's about seeing a woman not only as Boobies and vajayjay, but as a person with boobies and vajayjay no? Hard to see anyone being against men getting horny for women, their sexuality is just part of who they are

you'd be surprised the kind of non sense feminists preach regularly

so getting a boner's wrong?
Okay why bother with these people
They will die out anyway in one generation
EDIT: Sperm banks dam maybe not :D

rikd is smart, unlike most other ppl in this thread. rikd u would make a great swede, get over here man

objectification is made up? porn isnt objectifying? next thing you'll tell me is that men get more salary because they are more capable than women

why don't you state clearly what your idea of objectification is and why it's a problem?

On June 17 2015 20:52 Santafairy wrote: why don't you state clearly what your idea of objectification is and why it's a problem?

Because it's easier to just put words in peoples mouths, and then pretend to be some morally superior person

typical PC swede, thats why sweden is dying

hey guys sweden just opened a rape facility for men

http://bignews2day.com/en/news/v-shve...pomoschi-dlja-iznasilovannyh-muzhchin

rofl

Wait...

So you guys are against a rehabilitation center for men that have experienced sexual abuse and violence?

Don't believe that sexual abuse and violence towards males exists?

or???

I think I am bringing up too many topics in this thread.

Oh well, fuck it.

-Objectification of women topic. Really complex. I have more to say. Have liked the discussion.

-Crimes in Indonesia. Nike, Apple, etc. Awesome topic (biased opinion). Hard to discuss both.

-New topic of PTSD rehabilitation. Male sexual abuse and violence. Awesome topic. Definitely resonates with me and have a lot to discuss. Especially if many out there think it is a joke? Thankfully I never experienced sexual abuse/violence as a child but I work with people who have and it is definitely a real thing. Kudos to Sweden for acknowledging it and attempting to treat it with care. From my experiences, it is mind boggling how much violence, sexual abuse and sexual violence stems from childhood stuff. Vicious vicious cycles. I am glad more info on that is coming to light.

On June 16 2015 19:51 nolan wrote: how is watching paid porn actors objectifying them. they're accepting a contract that says people will view me doing sex in exchange for money. i understand that a high % of porn actors probably have addiction or other emotional issues, but i'm not sure if that means the industry in itself is inherently wrong. i really don't understand how a man can even entertain the idea that he's objectifying a woman when his mind goes caveman for a few seconds and he catches himself staring at some girls tits. it's clearly a biological thing and it will happen to any man with a reasonable sex drive. obviously you shouldn't try to stare and most normal people who catch themselves doing it stop, but acting like it's a learned behavior is ridiculous.

Chinese sweatshop workers accept contracts as well, does that justify exploiting them until they commit suicide? In fact i suppose there were many in ancient greece that said it was ok to go around sexually abusing young boys (catamites) if they agree to it for food and money. The arguments used by those people are very similar to the one you give.

The solution for the above problems is to remove conditions for which exploitation can occur. Pornography is objectification, it presents human beings as sex objects-that much is obvious. It's true for the movies, and media in general as well. Both men and women would have more of their humanity intact without it.

But yes there is nothing wrong with feeling physically attracted to women. There's a big difference between that and objectification.

^lol

Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money?

Speaking up about it equates to not having balls?

What the fuck?

Where am I?

Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography?

Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe.

I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.

Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives

just look at this beautiful object, does anyone else just want to MARRY it for an hour or more? oh my god I'm becoming lightheaded

I wish more men women were like this gorgeous and titillating brick, we need to lobby for more objectification of men and women

On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote: I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.

What if thinking about that just got you off more?

On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote: Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money? Speaking up about it equates to not having balls? What the fuck? Where am I? Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography? Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe. I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.

Listen to this - pornstar duke student with a feminist stance, who was e.g. on The View. This one's way more fun tho

On June 18 2015 11:52 RiKD wrote: Wait... So you guys are against a rehabilitation center for men that have experienced sexual abuse and violence? Don't believe that sexual abuse and violence towards males exists? or???

it is a good thing to have and of course sexual abuse towards males exists, it was just a funny comment to make given the context of the discussion.

to be honest i haven't thought much about the morality of porn or objectifying women in general, but sex is such a basic part of our nature i don't see why focusing on/promoting that aspect of a person would be a bad thing? the porn industry surely has issues creating an environment conducive to exploitation like stroggoz mentioned (differentiating exploitation from objectification here) but i don't think it's that obvious that getting rid of it wouldn't create more dilemmas than it would solve. like there's some chance the girl in the last porn you watched is a drug addict whose habit you're contributing to by 0.000001%, on the other hand you didn't stab your boss/girlfriend/whoever out of frustration. i think this is getting away from your OP about objectifying women but it's hard for me to see anything inherently wrong about that so i don't know how to respond.

I hear you brother.

Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.

On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote: I hear you brother. Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.

Yea because you know.. those men don't treat their cars like gods and take better care of them then they do of themselves. It's not men objectifying women lol, it's men humanizing (is that a word?) objects.

On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote: I hear you brother. Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.

Men do not name their tools, cars, or computers.

Even if they did, that would be anthropomorphizing the tools, not objectifying some imaginary woman

You can count on one hand the artifacts in English that sometimes people use female pronouns to refer to, like boats. And I'm sure women rich enough to have their own fucking boats would do that just as often. Please don't buy into "feminist linguistics" ("history" or "mankind" too sexist for you?) - take a 5 second look at any language that has grammatical gender. Seriously, try going dildo shopping. Do you think there aren't women naming their dildos? They even come (as it were) pre-named.

seriously exactly what were you thinking here? Calling a car beautiful is objectifying? Objectifying what, the living, breathing car?

On June 18 2015 22:58 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote: I hear you brother. Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men. Men do not name their tools, cars, or computers. Even if they did, that would be anthropomorphizing the tools, not objectifying some imaginary woman You can count on one hand the artifacts in English that sometimes people use female pronouns to refer to, like boats. And I'm sure women rich enough to have their own fucking boats would do that just as often. Please don't buy into "feminist linguistics" ("history" or "mankind" too sexist for you?) - take a 5 second look at any language that has grammatical gender. Seriously, try going dildo shopping. Do you think there aren't women naming their dildos? They even come (as it were) pre-named. seriously exactly what were you thinking here? Calling a car beautiful is objectifying? Objectifying what, the living, breathing car?

Good points, but there is a lot to do with possession and a lot of cultural traditions that compare chattel with women that have a direct influence in our language.

only ppl bitching about objectifying are ugly ones

On June 19 2015 05:51 Tensai176 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2015 22:58 Santafairy wrote:   On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote: I hear you brother. Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men. Men do not name their tools, cars, or computers. Even if they did, that would be anthropomorphizing the tools, not objectifying some imaginary woman You can count on one hand the artifacts in English that sometimes people use female pronouns to refer to, like boats. And I'm sure women rich enough to have their own fucking boats would do that just as often. Please don't buy into "feminist linguistics" ("history" or "mankind" too sexist for you?) - take a 5 second look at any language that has grammatical gender. Seriously, try going dildo shopping. Do you think there aren't women naming their dildos? They even come (as it were) pre-named. seriously exactly what were you thinking here? Calling a car beautiful is objectifying? Objectifying what, the living, breathing car? Good points, but there is a lot to do with possession and a lot of cultural traditions that compare chattel with women that have a direct influence in our language.

name two

I think it's positive that we acknowledge that violence is bad for everyone and we should try to break the vicious circle. What's really bad in my opinion is that we hear mostly tragic and shocking news of people being abused or killed that we become to accept violence as part of our society way more than we should. People aren't inherently evil but too many times I argued with someone else who thinks the opposite.

On June 18 2015 21:52 Tensai176 wrote: I hear you brother. Edit: Think about the objects men name for their car/computer/tool, etc. You'll hear, oh she's a beaut, she never let me down, etc. You don't see this literal objectification with women towards men.

lol come off it.

so are all romance languages and many germanic languages misogynists and objectifiers now because they arbitrarily assigned the female gender to half of the words?

We all do it man.

On June 18 2015 15:51 Santafairy wrote: Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives

+1 but I'll try to respond to rikd a bit..

On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote: Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money? Speaking up about it equates to not having balls? What the fuck? Where am I? Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography? Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe. I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet.

They're not being coerced or trapped. Millions of people face the same situations and choose different paths. Pornstars choose to exploit their own sexuality for profit, it's that simple. No old dark man is out there choosing for them. There's a narrative for each pornstar's decision to start doing porn. Sometimes they may feel degraded but at the end of the day it's just a performance and doesn't actually degrade them in any way. That's a really tough reality pornstars HAVE to be ok with. Even the most hardcore porn isn't degrading although if those acts were carried out without a contract, prior consent and knowledge of the acts then perhaps you might be able to judge the situation dynamically and say it probably feels degrading. The reality is that in every porn shoot the performers know exactly what kind of shoot they're doing, what sexual acts they'll perform and express what they don't want to happen prior. In more hardcore bondage or gangbang scenes women are often interviewed and asked if they're ok with certain things first (on camera) and they do say no to things they aren't ok with. However, they're obviously ok with some acts otherwise they wouldn't be in a bondage shoot. But, it's hard to shoot bondage without degrading someone, right? lol. If you define degrading as causing loss of self-respect then there's an impenetrable barrier the pornstar (them-self) always has especially given their contract, pre-approved acts and partners etc. If you decide to take a definition of degrade and twist it to be an objective truth whereby the mere reputation of being a pornstar is enough to say they're degraded then you're flat out wrong. It's an internal, psychological process. Is it hard psychologically? Definitely can be. There's a sort of invisible barrier there I'd call professionalism that people aren't able to see. What actually goes on inside a pornstar's head? It's a mixed bag and they're people too.. maybe we should start treating them with the respect they deserve and ask them without our own agendas?

On June 18 2015 20:00 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote: Everyone is cool with lost 18-19 yr old women getting lured and coerced and trapped into doing escalatingly degrading pornography for money? Speaking up about it equates to not having balls? What the fuck? Where am I? Hmmm, perhaps people are feeling attacked for watching pornography? Bitch, don't kill my vibe. Bitch, don't kill my vibe. I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet. + Show Spoiler + Listen to this - pornstar duke student with a feminist stance, who was e.g. on The View. This one's way more fun tho

Really interesting, thanks. Holy crap Howard Stern asked some really blunt questions, haha. RiKD watch this and ask yourself if she's being exploited for going after what she wants (a college education) and facing the economic reality headon while outspokenly admitting that she loves her life, despite the negative public stigma.

In part, the new feminism can be seen as mission creep: an old movement looking for a new role now that its original aims have largely been achieved. This would explain why it is so obsessed with culture, with how people think and speak and with what words they use or images they view. Having achieved equality in the legal and work spheres, some feminists are now moving into the realms of culture and even thought, where their politics, or any politics for that matter, has no place. The end result is often intolerance, a demand not only that society remove all the barriers to women’s engagement in public life — which is a good demand — but also that people and art and culture think about and depict women in a particular, ‘correct’ way, which is an illiberal demand.

I like this article a lot, the author is quite clever too: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/...inst-enlightenment/17057#.VX5L_lVViko

I thought of a poem about my trip to LA Fitness today:

Bad bitches everywhere
The place was packed with pretty pussy

How bout this?:

"Hey girlll... I like dat ass and dat outfit and would like to get to know you a bit better... (I would like to get to know dat ass outside of dat outfit reverse cowgirl whooo! Ohhh, my bad, I meant) let's get to that (new hipster) spot (all the 20 somethings are into) next Wednesday and break some bread and have some conversations."

I think I re-found one of those short term cures for depression though:

1/2 bar chocolate
2 strong coffees
2 monsters
l-tyrosine
vit d
fish oil

gym when all the bad bitches on instagram straight flexin

Oh shit though, it only works until it doesn't. Fuck I'll be at 2 bars chocolate, 4 strong coffees, 2 monsters, 2 l-tyrosines by next week? Shiiieeettt...

Oh well...

Bad bitches are human beings too! With hearts, and brains, and souls, and spirit! Breakthrough! Swish!

iop!

Nathan Fake too.

Radiohead TKOL RMX 1234567

The Sky Was Pink
You Are Here
Glaive

I might get back to being more serious on some of the more serious business or maybe I won't

Peace, Love, Tolerance LP

Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives

True. At this point in time I do not think I am really making contentions on anything. Just trying to engage, discuss, possibly learn something.

I don't know.

It goes to a general question/comment that from my experiences most 18 yr olds are pretty easy prey for predatory adults. That goes for military recruitment, that goes for porn, that goes for anything really.

They're not being coerced or trapped. Millions of people face the same situations and choose different paths. Pornstars choose to exploit their own sexuality for profit, it's that simple. No old dark man is out there choosing for them. There's a narrative for each pornstar's decision to start doing porn. Sometimes they may feel degraded but at the end of the day it's just a performance and doesn't actually degrade them in any way. That's a really tough reality pornstars HAVE to be ok with. Even the most hardcore porn isn't degrading although if those acts were carried out without a contract, prior consent and knowledge of the acts then perhaps you might be able to judge the situation dynamically and say it probably feels degrading. The reality is that in every porn shoot the performers know exactly what kind of shoot they're doing, what sexual acts they'll perform and express what they don't want to happen prior. In more hardcore bondage or gangbang scenes women are often interviewed and asked if they're ok with certain things first (on camera) and they do say no to things they aren't ok with. However, they're obviously ok with some acts otherwise they wouldn't be in a bondage shoot. But, it's hard to shoot bondage without degrading someone, right? lol. If you define degrading as causing loss of self-respect then there's an impenetrable barrier the pornstar (them-self) always has especially given their contract, pre-approved acts and partners etc. If you decide to take a definition of degrade and twist it to be an objective truth whereby the mere reputation of being a pornstar is enough to say they're degraded then you're flat out wrong. It's an internal, psychological process. Is it hard psychologically? Definitely can be. There's a sort of invisible barrier there I'd call professionalism that people aren't able to see. What actually goes on inside a pornstar's head? It's a mixed bag and they're people too.. maybe we should start treating them with the respect they deserve and ask them without our own agendas?

Yeah. It is tricky. How does one define degrading? I don't know at this moment.

Yeah, it would be interesting to make a documentary on what actually goes on inside a pornstar's head. Interesting but not likely. My agenda is peace, love, tolerance, truth, kindness. That is always my desired intentions and most times will be my honest intentions as long as I am spiritually and emotionally fit.

Really interesting, thanks. Holy crap Howard Stern asked some really blunt questions, haha. RiKD watch this and ask yourself if she's being exploited for going after what she wants (a college education) and facing the economic reality headon while outspokenly admitting that she loves her life, despite the negative public stigma.

Yeah, definitely interesting. Have to give credit to Howard for being such an awesome interviewer.

I do not think that Belle Knox in particular is being super exploited. She seems really sharp for her age. She did mention for people out there to be really careful when looking to get in the industry and that on multiple occasions people have attempted to manipulate her into doing scenes she did not want to do.

Does anyone think a strong minded, independent, sharp Duke student going for a civil rights law occupation is an average representation of 18 yr olds going into porn?

On June 18 2015 19:58 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2015 15:29 RiKD wrote: I know it fucks up my high to think about that amateur getting pounded and jizzed on not as a pornstar fantasy but as a real human being in real life who many times ran away from home upon finding the first appealing craiglist ad and is now trapped with having to agree to do more every video just to make ends meet. What if thinking about that just got you off more?

Good question. I don't know.

Honestly, as long as people don't act out on fucked up thoughts they are probably ok?

If they become bothersome enough and/or unmanageable it is time to seek outside help?

On June 26 2015 04:27 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives True. At this point in time I do not think I am really making contentions on anything. Just trying to engage, discuss, possibly learn something. I don't know. It goes to a general question/comment that from my experiences most 18 yr olds are pretty easy prey for predatory adults. That goes for military recruitment, that goes for porn, that goes for anything really.

18 year olds are adults

On June 26 2015 04:27 RiKD wrote: I do not think that Belle Knox in particular is being super exploited. She seems really sharp for her age. She did mention for people out there to be really careful when looking to get in the industry and that on multiple occasions people have attempted to manipulate her into doing scenes she did not want to do. Does anyone think a strong minded, independent, sharp Duke student going for a civil rights law occupation is an average representation of 18 yr olds going into porn?

She's being exploited to the extent that she's openly comfortable and happy with exploiting her own sexually. If you can call that exploiting, ok, but it's not degrading as she's totally okay with it. Imo she came across as more of a strong voice for women in the industry, as she said sex workers are coming up to her and thanking her or w/e. Sure, there are women that do 1 scene and end up regretting it or that find out they hate it and that's unfortunate.

On June 26 2015 05:32 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2015 04:27 RiKD wrote:   Please tell me more about how adult men and women can't make decisions about their own bodies and lives True. At this point in time I do not think I am really making contentions on anything. Just trying to engage, discuss, possibly learn something. I don't know. It goes to a general question/comment that from my experiences most 18 yr olds are pretty easy prey for predatory adults. That goes for military recruitment, that goes for porn, that goes for anything really. 18 year olds are adults

Legally, yeah. He does have a point there though as a lot of 18 year olds, despite being legal, aren't ready to make this kind of decision imo but it just depends as a lot totally are. All the more reason to create and maintain strong bonds with your children so they can come to you for help and advice on even the most difficult subjects and in times of need.

I mean what's the point of having an age of majority if you reject that adults can make their own decisions

haha