mayweather pacquiao fight thread

anyone think pacquiao is underdog because the idea of team america??

all the americans just backing their own

No. Mayweather is the favorite because he is undefeated and is a better fighter than Pac.

I'm honestly surprised Mayweather is only a 2-1 favorite

^^Records are over-rated to a certain excent, we see that in UFC. Guys who come in 10-0 can lose their first 2 fights when entering the UFC, mayweather is obv good, but has been bumhunting for a long time - whereas pacqio has a worse record but has been fighting real competetion.

This is prob the equivalent of a 8bb/100 semi-HU bumhunter deciding to play a 3bb/100 reg who gives anyone action. This is why Sugar Ray is the GOAT, he was esencially the isildur1 of boxing

On April 21 2015 19:44 TalentedTom wrote: ^^Records are over-rated to a certain excent, we see that in UFC. Guys who come in 10-0 can lose their first 2 fights when entering the UFC, Mayweather is obv good, but has been bumhunting for a long time - whereas pacqio has a worse record but has been fighting real competetion. This is prob the equivalent of a 8bb/100 semi-HU bumhunter deciding to play a 3bb/100 reg who gives anyone action. This is why Sugar Ray is the GOAT, he was esencially the isildur1 of boxing

Give me a fucking break...

Even Pactards don't use that excuse anymore.

No technical analysis I can offer except that I feel like there is value on Mayweather. Guy hasn't come very close to losing, and he's fought similar competition to Pac right?

mayweather is undefeated, but he shouldnt be:


some random thoughts in list form:
-mayweather really struggled with maidana in the first fight. maidana is a mindless brawler. if pac comes forward and doesnt get deterred mid fight by floyd's defense, he can do well.
-pac was way ahead of JMM before the KO. sure it was a vicious one punch shot, but floyd cant do that to him. the bradley fight he lost was more lopsided than a bunch of floyd's wins
-kenny bayless is seemingly pro floyd. he has bailed him out in past fights. big concern

all that said, i think mayweather is the clear favorite. he shuts down offense so well with his shoulder rolls and rope fighting. not sure how big a favorite, but id bet manny at +225 and floyd at -160. in between id just be guessing. will be rooting for manny because i think floyd is just a fantastic boxer that takes advantage of the rules, while manny is a great fighter whose skills would translate well to MMA, muay thai, etc. and hes just way more likable and exciting

On April 21 2015 19:12 TimDawg wrote: I'm honestly surprised Mayweather is only a 2-1 favorite

The lines opened at 3.something - 1 for Mayweather it was just roughly 2weeks ago it went 2-1 because apparently a bunch of Vegas gamblers started putting huge money on pacquiao, they probably know something we don't.

Pacquiao does poorly against counter punchers, thats why he always had serious trouble with Marquez and Mayweather is even better so that is pretty much why mayweather is a favourite, it has nothing to do with retarded unbeaten records.


Just like Daut id like to see Pacquiao win, mainly because Mayweather needs a good asswhooping and because a rematch is way more likely with that result

Anyone who thinks Pacquiao won his 3rd fight vs JMM is a moron -_-;;

Getting KO'd in the 4th fight was just karma.

Mayweather should be a massive favorite.

I agree mayweather should be clear favorite here.

Rooting for pacman though obv. But i would not be surprised if he just got out boxed for 12 rounds.

On April 22 2015 00:35 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: I agree mayweather should be clear favorite here. Rooting for pacman though obv. But i would not be surprised if he just got out boxed for 12 rounds.

pretty simple:

mayweather will never lose and only took the fight because he knows he wont lose

if you bet on mayweather the only thing in the back of your mind making you nervous is how rigged boxing is

we all remember pac vs bradley

On April 21 2015 20:52 jvilla777 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 19:12 TimDawg wrote: I'm honestly surprised Mayweather is only a 2-1 favorite The lines opened at 3.something - 1 for Mayweather it was just roughly 2weeks ago it went 2-1 because apparently a bunch of Vegas gamblers started putting huge money on pacquiao, they probably know something we don't.

On April 22 2015 00:53 RaiNKhAN wrote: if you bet on mayweather the only thing in the back of your mind making you nervous is how rigged boxing is

this is why I will not be betting on the fight and will just root for Pac lol

I put 300 on Pacquiao.

RIP 300.

thread hass convinced to bet on pac

On April 22 2015 00:53 RaiNKhAN wrote: pretty simple: mayweather will never lose and only took the fight because he knows he wont lose if you bet on mayweather the only thing in the back of your mind making you nervous is how rigged boxing is we all remember pac vs bradley

there might be some big value on the riggedness and bet on the draw

I just recently started watching boxing and I'm excited for this fight. Wish I could learn some more about the sport to enjoy it more

I also never bet sports, can anyone help me out; how do these sportbooks set the odds for these events? Do they simply automate moving the line every time someone bets to guarantee themselves a profit from the rake? Or do they analyze the match and try to set the odds they believe are correct? Or some half & half system?

Also wanted to say that as a newb viewer you get the impression that mayweather is hugely favored. Every match I watch the commentators praise him to the skies, he never seems to get into trouble, he does have an unbeaten record (might be bumhunting in some form sure but it still seems very impressive). Pacquiao is strong, aggressive and gutsy but he's at least been shown to be human before. Anyway if this impression is wrong and newbs like me are moving the line, doesn't that make it very attractive to bet on Pac?

Pinnacle has a team of very sharp analysts and most other books copy their opening lines, afaik. sometimes books will take a position on one side or the other if they think the majority of money is coming in on the square side, depending on their liquidity and risk profile. but i think for an event like this with so much volume coming in from bettors they just try to lock in profit (unless they have insider knowledge of riggedness or something).

Anyway if this impression is wrong and newbs like me are moving the line, doesn't that make it very attractive to bet on Pac?

not sure i understand what you're saying here. the line has moved in Pacquiao's favor - if newbs are moving the line as you suggest, it would imply betting on Mayweather is correct.

i personally have no idea whether the line has moved from casual or sharp action. Pacquiao is clearly more likable in the public's eye, so to me it makes the most sense that square money is going on his side, and sharps are waiting to get the best price possible on Mayweather. that said, i'm not betting on the match because:

a) what Khan said, boxing is a bunch of rigged BS, and

b) i really want to see Pacquiao win, don't think i could feel "good" about it if i lost $500 on the match

wait what i mean is

1. to ppl like me who are interested but dont rly know anything, it looks like mayweather is heavily favored
2.The bookmakers now (if they want to guarantee profit no matter what happens?) offer worse odds on mayweather because many ppl are betting him. That way, when mayweather wins, they have to pay a lot of people but they owe them less money each so it balances out with the fewer people who bet on pac owe the sportsbook more money, netting them the rake in the end
3. The sharks now bet on pacquiao to take advantage of ppls bias in favor of mayweather?

I was wondering if that happens, or the same thing with simply betting for their countryman and moving the line that way (since I guess americans bet much more sports)

but yeah if they have a team of analysts then all of that is out the door of course. Man if they have a team of analysts that means you guys are basicly betting against those analysts with 10% rake or whatever on top? How can you win in the long run? And presumably when its rigged the analysts know that as well, that makes me very reluctant to start betting sports

Another question; I want to see pacquiao win as well, but if mayweather wins this and retires undefeated where does that rank him amongst all time greats?

Bet the bank on Mayweather - Bigger and better boxer.

But then again - boxing is rigged.

On April 22 2015 09:19 Jelle wrote: wait what i mean is 1. to ppl like me who are interested but dont rly know anything, it looks like mayweather is heavily favored 2.The bookmakers now (if they want to guarantee profit no matter what happens?) offer worse odds on mayweather because many ppl are betting him. That way, when mayweather wins, they have to pay a lot of people but they owe them less money each so it balances out with the fewer people who bet on pac owe the sportsbook more money, netting them the rake in the end 3. The sharks now bet on pacquiao to take advantage of ppls bias in favor of mayweather? I was wondering if that happens, or the same thing with simply betting for their countryman and moving the line that way (since I guess americans bet much more sports) but yeah if they have a team of analysts then all of that is out the door of course. Man if they have a team of analysts that means you guys are basicly betting against those analysts with 10% rake or whatever on top? How can you win in the long run? And presumably when its rigged the analysts know that as well, that makes me very reluctant to start betting sports

i think the bolded is a misunderstanding; the odds for betting on Mayweather have gotten better, not worse (at least according to this thread he went from a 3.something-1 favorite to a 2-1 favorite, i haven't personally been paying attention to the line). in my last post when i said the line has moved in Pacquiao's favor, i meant the odds are saying he has a stronger chance to win compared to the opening line, not that the payout from betting on him is better.

i think your rationale for betting on Pacquiao is wrong for the reasons stated (not saying betting on him is right or wrong, just that the reasons you gave don't lead to that conclusion). also Pacquiao is a national hero in the Philippines, and i don't think Americans have any special sentiment for Mayweather - i think the average American would prefer Pacquiao to win too, but that's just a guess and could be wrong. however, i don't think the fact that some betting sites have analysts takes the psychological aspect of the markets you're referring to out the door. they might have a model that they use (along with their own judgement) to decide the opening lines, but they will still move the lines based on what the market dictates.

to elaborate, one reason it's sometimes possible to be +EV betting against experts + paying vig is because you're not necessarily always betting on what they think the true line is. for ex. if they think a team should be favored by 5 points but the public will still side with the favorite at 8 points, they might set the line to Team X (-8).

i don't know if this is the best example to use since i'm guessing American college football isn't big in Europe, but the best example i can think of is the 2013 college football championship game of Notre Dame vs Alabama, i think Bama was like a -13 pt favorite or something. ND has a rich, storied tradition and an enormous following. there was a ton of nostalgia surrounding them and celebrating this as their return to greatness, but the reality was that Alabama was just out of their league. i think even a lot of people like me who only casually follow college football were able to make +EV bets on Alabama because the public was very predictable.

another reason in this case is that by all accounts, MMA/boxing are much more difficult to model than baseball, basketball, etc. you might be able to pick off a situational spot here or there, but it's really rare for anyone to have an edge betting on a major market like NFL/NBA/MLB sides while putting in consistent volume. there are however a reasonable amount of people who can beat MMA just by paying close attention to the fighters and having good knowledge of the sport.

this is a really good article on how lines are made, it's mostly for NBA and some of the principles probably can't be applied to boxing, but if you're interested in betting other sports or just curious it's worth a read: http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/04/10/f...ecord-straight-on-basketball-betting/

wow man that post helps me out a lot, good info over and above my question. Thank you so much!

Both will make so much money out of this fight I wouldn't be surprised to go either way cuz of no fucks given

On April 22 2015 11:50 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 09:19 Jelle wrote: wait what i mean is 1. to ppl like me who are interested but dont rly know anything, it looks like mayweather is heavily favored 2.The bookmakers now (if they want to guarantee profit no matter what happens?) offer worse odds on mayweather because many ppl are betting him. That way, when mayweather wins, they have to pay a lot of people but they owe them less money each so it balances out with the fewer people who bet on pac owe the sportsbook more money, netting them the rake in the end 3. The sharks now bet on pacquiao to take advantage of ppls bias in favor of mayweather? I was wondering if that happens, or the same thing with simply betting for their countryman and moving the line that way (since I guess americans bet much more sports) but yeah if they have a team of analysts then all of that is out the door of course. Man if they have a team of analysts that means you guys are basicly betting against those analysts with 10% rake or whatever on top? How can you win in the long run? And presumably when its rigged the analysts know that as well, that makes me very reluctant to start betting sports i think the bolded is a misunderstanding; the odds for betting on Mayweather have gotten better, not worse (at least according to this thread he went from a 3.something-1 favorite to a 2-1 favorite, i haven't personally been paying attention to the line). in my last post when i said the line has moved in Pacquiao's favor, i meant the odds are saying he has a stronger chance to win compared to the opening line, not that the payout from betting on him is better. i think your rationale for betting on Pacquiao is wrong for the reasons stated (not saying betting on him is right or wrong, just that the reasons you gave don't lead to that conclusion). also Pacquiao is a national hero in the Philippines, and i don't think Americans have any special sentiment for Mayweather - i think the average American would prefer Pacquiao to win too, but that's just a guess and could be wrong. however, i don't think the fact that some betting sites have analysts takes the psychological aspect of the markets you're referring to out the door. they might have a model that they use (along with their own judgement) to decide the opening lines, but they will still move the lines based on what the market dictates. to elaborate, one reason it's sometimes possible to be +EV betting against experts + paying vig is because you're not necessarily always betting on what they think the true line is. for ex. if they think a team should be favored by 5 points but the public will still side with the favorite at 8 points, they might set the line to Team X (-8). i don't know if this is the best example to use since i'm guessing American college football isn't big in Europe, but the best example i can think of is the 2013 college football championship game of Notre Dame vs Alabama, i think Bama was like a -13 pt favorite or something. ND has a rich, storied tradition and an enormous following. there was a ton of nostalgia surrounding them and celebrating this as their return to greatness, but the reality was that Alabama was just out of their league. i think even a lot of people like me who only casually follow college football were able to make +EV bets on Alabama because the public was very predictable. another reason in this case is that by all accounts, MMA/boxing are much more difficult to model than baseball, basketball, etc. you might be able to pick off a situational spot here or there, but it's really rare for anyone to have an edge betting on a major market like NFL/NBA/MLB sides while putting in consistent volume. there are however a reasonable amount of people who can beat MMA just by paying close attention to the fighters and having good knowledge of the sport. this is a really good article on how lines are made, it's mostly for NBA and some of the principles probably can't be applied to boxing, but if you're interested in betting other sports or just curious it's worth a read: http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/04/10/f...ecord-straight-on-basketball-betting/

this is a common misconception. vegas sets the line the way they think it should be set, not based on public opinion.

basically if vegas sets a line at -8 that should be at -5 because of public perception, sharps will come and hammer them for way more than the public will. the general public bets $10-$100 at a time. there are people out there coordinating operations that are betting millions. they have a lot of incentive to have accurate lines.

im not sure if sharp action or the general public moved the line. this fight is so big it could be like the super bowl where the general public can move a line quite a bit just through the sheer number of people betting. but often when a line moves this much its due to sharp money

On April 22 2015 14:48 Spitfiree wrote: Both will make so much money out of this fight I wouldn't be surprised to go either way cuz of no fucks given

You are so narrow-minded it is disgusting. They have enough money to live like you dream to for the rest of their lives. Their fighting record and a defining match in their careers means more than money. Its not like they are struggling living on the dole. Sit down little man.

Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world - Arthur Schopenhauer

Hopefully the fight lives up to the hype!!

Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao contract still not signed

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/...er-manny-pacquiao-contract-not-signed

Despite Floyd being notorious for huge sports bets, a giant entourage and lots of expensive cars (he has 4 bugattis), Manny is rumored to be broke/possibly in debt/owing back taxes/etc. Apparently he just cant say no to anyone in the Philippines, handing out money to the church, charities, etc.

http://www.punditarena.com/boxing/rbarrett/manny-pacquiao-flat-broke-heres/
http://www.ibtimes.com/manny-pacquiao...yan-aid-may-owe-50-million-back-taxes

pretty sad, especially considering all he would have to do is put away a small percentage from one of his fights to set his family up for life. but old habits die hard.

On April 22 2015 15:58 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 11:50 bigredhoss wrote:   On April 22 2015 09:19 Jelle wrote: wait what i mean is 1. to ppl like me who are interested but dont rly know anything, it looks like mayweather is heavily favored 2.The bookmakers now (if they want to guarantee profit no matter what happens?) offer worse odds on mayweather because many ppl are betting him. That way, when mayweather wins, they have to pay a lot of people but they owe them less money each so it balances out with the fewer people who bet on pac owe the sportsbook more money, netting them the rake in the end 3. The sharks now bet on pacquiao to take advantage of ppls bias in favor of mayweather? I was wondering if that happens, or the same thing with simply betting for their countryman and moving the line that way (since I guess americans bet much more sports) but yeah if they have a team of analysts then all of that is out the door of course. Man if they have a team of analysts that means you guys are basicly betting against those analysts with 10% rake or whatever on top? How can you win in the long run? And presumably when its rigged the analysts know that as well, that makes me very reluctant to start betting sports i think the bolded is a misunderstanding; the odds for betting on Mayweather have gotten better, not worse (at least according to this thread he went from a 3.something-1 favorite to a 2-1 favorite, i haven't personally been paying attention to the line). in my last post when i said the line has moved in Pacquiao's favor, i meant the odds are saying he has a stronger chance to win compared to the opening line, not that the payout from betting on him is better. i think your rationale for betting on Pacquiao is wrong for the reasons stated (not saying betting on him is right or wrong, just that the reasons you gave don't lead to that conclusion). also Pacquiao is a national hero in the Philippines, and i don't think Americans have any special sentiment for Mayweather - i think the average American would prefer Pacquiao to win too, but that's just a guess and could be wrong. however, i don't think the fact that some betting sites have analysts takes the psychological aspect of the markets you're referring to out the door. they might have a model that they use (along with their own judgement) to decide the opening lines, but they will still move the lines based on what the market dictates. to elaborate, one reason it's sometimes possible to be +EV betting against experts + paying vig is because you're not necessarily always betting on what they think the true line is. for ex. if they think a team should be favored by 5 points but the public will still side with the favorite at 8 points, they might set the line to Team X (-8). i don't know if this is the best example to use since i'm guessing American college football isn't big in Europe, but the best example i can think of is the 2013 college football championship game of Notre Dame vs Alabama, i think Bama was like a -13 pt favorite or something. ND has a rich, storied tradition and an enormous following. there was a ton of nostalgia surrounding them and celebrating this as their return to greatness, but the reality was that Alabama was just out of their league. i think even a lot of people like me who only casually follow college football were able to make +EV bets on Alabama because the public was very predictable. another reason in this case is that by all accounts, MMA/boxing are much more difficult to model than baseball, basketball, etc. you might be able to pick off a situational spot here or there, but it's really rare for anyone to have an edge betting on a major market like NFL/NBA/MLB sides while putting in consistent volume. there are however a reasonable amount of people who can beat MMA just by paying close attention to the fighters and having good knowledge of the sport. this is a really good article on how lines are made, it's mostly for NBA and some of the principles probably can't be applied to boxing, but if you're interested in betting other sports or just curious it's worth a read: http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/04/10/f...ecord-straight-on-basketball-betting/ this is a common misconception. vegas sets the line the way they think it should be set, not based on public opinion. basically if vegas sets a line at -8 that should be at -5 because of public perception, sharps will come and hammer them for way more than the public will. the general public bets $10-$100 at a time. there are people out there coordinating operations that are betting millions. they have a lot of incentive to have accurate lines. im not sure if sharp action or the general public moved the line. this fight is so big it could be like the super bowl where the general public can move a line quite a bit just through the sheer number of people betting. but often when a line moves this much its due to sharp money

i know they're not setting lines based on public opinion for a random regular-season game, but i've always been under the impression that events like the Super Bowl or major title fights were exceptions to this because they take in such a huge amount of public action. if that's wrong though i apologize.

anyway, the point i was trying to make is that situational handicapping and interpreting line movement can be a way to make +ev sports bets without actually building a model or being a top 0.5% expert on a sport (not saying it's easy or that it's always clear what line movements mean).

On April 22 2015 23:35 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 15:58 Daut wrote:   On April 22 2015 11:50 bigredhoss wrote:   On April 22 2015 09:19 Jelle wrote: wait what i mean is 1. to ppl like me who are interested but dont rly know anything, it looks like mayweather is heavily favored 2.The bookmakers now (if they want to guarantee profit no matter what happens?) offer worse odds on mayweather because many ppl are betting him. That way, when mayweather wins, they have to pay a lot of people but they owe them less money each so it balances out with the fewer people who bet on pac owe the sportsbook more money, netting them the rake in the end 3. The sharks now bet on pacquiao to take advantage of ppls bias in favor of mayweather? I was wondering if that happens, or the same thing with simply betting for their countryman and moving the line that way (since I guess americans bet much more sports) but yeah if they have a team of analysts then all of that is out the door of course. Man if they have a team of analysts that means you guys are basicly betting against those analysts with 10% rake or whatever on top? How can you win in the long run? And presumably when its rigged the analysts know that as well, that makes me very reluctant to start betting sports i think the bolded is a misunderstanding; the odds for betting on Mayweather have gotten better, not worse (at least according to this thread he went from a 3.something-1 favorite to a 2-1 favorite, i haven't personally been paying attention to the line). in my last post when i said the line has moved in Pacquiao's favor, i meant the odds are saying he has a stronger chance to win compared to the opening line, not that the payout from betting on him is better. i think your rationale for betting on Pacquiao is wrong for the reasons stated (not saying betting on him is right or wrong, just that the reasons you gave don't lead to that conclusion). also Pacquiao is a national hero in the Philippines, and i don't think Americans have any special sentiment for Mayweather - i think the average American would prefer Pacquiao to win too, but that's just a guess and could be wrong. however, i don't think the fact that some betting sites have analysts takes the psychological aspect of the markets you're referring to out the door. they might have a model that they use (along with their own judgement) to decide the opening lines, but they will still move the lines based on what the market dictates. to elaborate, one reason it's sometimes possible to be +EV betting against experts + paying vig is because you're not necessarily always betting on what they think the true line is. for ex. if they think a team should be favored by 5 points but the public will still side with the favorite at 8 points, they might set the line to Team X (-8). i don't know if this is the best example to use since i'm guessing American college football isn't big in Europe, but the best example i can think of is the 2013 college football championship game of Notre Dame vs Alabama, i think Bama was like a -13 pt favorite or something. ND has a rich, storied tradition and an enormous following. there was a ton of nostalgia surrounding them and celebrating this as their return to greatness, but the reality was that Alabama was just out of their league. i think even a lot of people like me who only casually follow college football were able to make +EV bets on Alabama because the public was very predictable. another reason in this case is that by all accounts, MMA/boxing are much more difficult to model than baseball, basketball, etc. you might be able to pick off a situational spot here or there, but it's really rare for anyone to have an edge betting on a major market like NFL/NBA/MLB sides while putting in consistent volume. there are however a reasonable amount of people who can beat MMA just by paying close attention to the fighters and having good knowledge of the sport. this is a really good article on how lines are made, it's mostly for NBA and some of the principles probably can't be applied to boxing, but if you're interested in betting other sports or just curious it's worth a read: http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/04/10/f...ecord-straight-on-basketball-betting/ this is a common misconception. vegas sets the line the way they think it should be set, not based on public opinion. basically if vegas sets a line at -8 that should be at -5 because of public perception, sharps will come and hammer them for way more than the public will. the general public bets $10-$100 at a time. there are people out there coordinating operations that are betting millions. they have a lot of incentive to have accurate lines. im not sure if sharp action or the general public moved the line. this fight is so big it could be like the super bowl where the general public can move a line quite a bit just through the sheer number of people betting. but often when a line moves this much its due to sharp money i know they're not setting lines based on public opinion for a random regular-season game, but i've always been under the impression that events like the Super Bowl or major title fights were exceptions to this because they take in such a huge amount of public action. if that's wrong though i apologize. anyway, the point i was trying to make is that situational handicapping and interpreting line movement can be a way to make +ev sports bets without actually building a model or being a top 0.5% expert on a sport (not saying it's easy or that it's always clear what line movements mean).

Pretty sure you are 100 percent correct here.

And furthermore, ofcourse the line is based on public perception, or else they would never move it. Sure, they set it at about what they think is correct which the law of big numbers says the collective public conscious won't be too far off from the truth anyway, but if Vegas was so confident in their lines, than they would never move and they would just take the variance with the knowledge that in the long run, they'd make way more money. The line you see after a day or so is completely reflective of the GP's opinion. Thinking otherwise is ridiculous.

Edit: What I would be interested to know is what percent of the overall money on superfights or superbowls, etc, is sharp money vs casuals. If anyone knows the answer to that I'd love to know.

Double Edit: I wonder if eventually betting sites will be able to develop sort of insane algorithm where over time they figure out who the Sharps are and than weigh their bets heavier in their line adjustments. Would that even be legal? I don't really see why not.

Yea sure that would be legal afaik

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/4/26/...ained-how-boxings-mega-fight-was-made

As an MMA fan this was really enlightening for me.

On April 22 2015 17:23 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 14:48 Spitfiree wrote: Both will make so much money out of this fight I wouldn't be surprised to go either way cuz of no fucks given You are so narrow-minded it is disgusting. They have enough money to live like you dream to for the rest of their lives. Their fighting record and a defining match in their careers means more than money. Its not like they are struggling living on the dole. Sit down little man. Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world - Arthur Schopenhauer Hopefully the fight lives up to the hype!!

Its funny that you are quoting such a great philosopher to defend such a petty cause. The irony in your post is quite deep, sadly you ll probably need years to realize it

is anyone betting anything big on this fight? i am skeptical on betting at all, but I don't know how I cannot.

On April 28 2015 23:58 casinocasino wrote: is anyone betting anything big on this fight? i am skeptical on betting at all, but I don't know how I cannot.

Everyone and their momma is betting o11.5 rounds, or Fight Goes the Distance. I won't be betting this fight, just cuz the Over is so high, and I don't feel safe betting any line. However, if I were to bet it, I'd focus on the Majority Decision, Split Decision, and Draw props.

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On April 28 2015 23:58 casinocasino wrote: is anyone betting anything big on this fight? i am skeptical on betting at all, but I don't know how I cannot.

Yes. big on mayweather

Probably put half the bankroll on mayweather as I have in the past

looking to bet up to 10k on mayweather at -185 or better (18.5k to win 10k). PM me if you want to pacquiao

baller alert

On April 29 2015 09:43 n0rthf4ce wrote: looking to bet up to 10k on mayweather at -185 or better (18.5k to win 10k). PM me if you want to pacquiao

peachy tilt incoming

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im also betting on Mayweather the rest of my recreational sportsbetting Bankroll which sadly is like $200 lol downswongs...

still baller status in Mexico

War Pac. He will win by KO. Sadly I have no more Pstars nor Paypal so I can't accommodate bets here on LP

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/killing-a-king-mayweather-versus-pacquiao

Good read.

im serious! +185 is the best odds u can get. pm me, $100 min bet

On May 01 2015 07:39 n0rthf4ce wrote: im serious! +185 is the best odds u can get. pm me, $100 min bet

You can Pacquiao +190 on 5dimes.

That being said, I don't think anyone on LP will take your bet. You'll find a lot of people who are on the Pacquiao bandwagon, but you'll have a hard time finding people who will actually bet money on Pacquiao to beat Mayweather.

After Mayweather wins, the Pactards will be waiting to say* how Mayweather ran from Pacquiao, he's scared to stand toe-to-toe, Pacquiao now knows how to handle this type of defensive style and would win in a rematch, Mayweather waited till Pacquiao got older (even though Mayweather is 2 years older), etc.

The article from Jack Slack futher reinforces my opinion.

Bet BIG on Mayweather.

I bet $376 at -188 on Mayweather. While I do suspect it is a good bet I don't know too much about boxing. I'm mainly ensuring that I will be happy no matter what the outcome is.

I bet the over. I'm not 100 percent sure who's gonna win (I do heavily favor Mayweather but I'm not good enough at boxing to actually feel good about it) but I'm pretty much positive there will not be a KO, and I wanted to place a big bet given how big a night it is.

Anyway, as I see it, if there is a surprise KO, atleast it'll be insane.

Not saying there won't be a knockdown or two, but both guys are insanely durable.

Mayweather wins by decision is at 2.0ML. Does Mayweather ever win any other way?

On May 01 2015 18:34 Minsk wrote: Mayweather wins by decision is at 2.0ML. Does Mayweather ever win any other way?

When opponents aren't defending themselves at all times

See the Ortiz fight.... short of that, no

FLoyd looking to cry during walk in lol
Pac looks beast mode after weigh in
People are going to be shocked

Haha man, they are playing arm-chair psychology so much on the weigh-in staredown. Love Teddy Atlas doe.

Some random guy on Sherdog mentioned that Mayweather sounded different last night on SportsCenter, and during his post weigh-in interview. Different, as in he might have a cold. Dunno though.

On May 01 2015 22:57 PuertoRican wrote: Some random guy on Sherdog mentioned that Mayweather sounded different last night on SportsCenter, and during his post weigh-in interview. Different, as in he might have a cold. Dunno though.

sounds legit

On May 01 2015 23:53 northsails wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2015 22:57 PuertoRican wrote: Some random guy on Sherdog mentioned that Mayweather sounded different last night on SportsCenter, and during his post weigh-in interview. Different, as in he might have a cold. Dunno though. sounds legit

I don't watch SportsCenter, but Mayweather's voice did sound different today. However, I just mark it up as sounding different due to cutting weight, which is common in MMA.

I won't have any bets on the fight, so I'm not following any of the news/media/forum posts leading up to the fight, aside from the weigh-in. The media are the one's going back and forth on stuff, the fighters are acting normal.

he sounded scared that's what. didn't you see the walk in? he almost looked scared as shit, didn't even hear Pac say thank you to his face lol
Anyway, just wait for the fight and watch how Pac destroys this guy. 1 more day

link to stream plz ?

On May 02 2015 02:41 FullBRing wrote: link to stream plz ?

You're 25 hours early. The main event won't start until 9pm PST/11:59 EST tomorrow night.

dhahhah cheers

Anyone wanna take my bet on Pokerstars?

my $10 on Pacquiao vs your $23 Mayweather, straight win.

We can escrow the cash to Daut or maybe drone or someone legit from LP?

Where can we stream it from?

offer is off, i got down enough

i dont follow boxing but how come these 2, almost 40 years old guys are the best? i mean isnt there a younger guy who is stronger and faster?

On May 02 2015 15:40 dnagardi wrote: i dont follow boxing but how come these 2, almost 40 years old guys are the best? i mean isnt there a younger guy who is stronger and faster?

it's really about the weight classes. i think GGG is a better overall fighter than both, but he weighs 160 and will never fight floyd or manny. Or I should say, they would never fight him. Same with Kovalev, but he weighs 175.

basically, both manny and floyd have moved up 20-30 pounds from where they started, have beaten everyone important at their weight class (147 pounds), are the same size, have been in the top 3 of p4p rankings for 6+ years, and have not deteriorated much yet. at their weights they are still by far the best fighters. for instance, floyd has beaten the #1 ranked 154 pound fighter (canelo alvarez) and the top 140 pound guys have no chance vs either of them.

Late money coming on Manny. I can find Mayweather at -165 now in my bookie.

Floyd fought Alvarez recently 2013 who is 24 now.

GGG is 100% the truth. But seeing as how even top 168 and 175'ers are tippy toeing around risking a fight with GGG, there's about as much chance that Mayweather would fight him at the end of his career as there would be of a Filipino rooting for the black guy tonight. Don't blame him for that one though at all obviously. Do blame him for dodging the fuck out of Margarito during his prime, Kosta Tsuzyu (who Floyd avoided like the plague while moving through 135-140), and Sergio Martinez before Sergio's knees became like crushed toothpicks.

To date, Floyd's signature victory is still 2007's SPLIT decision over a way past prime Oscar De La Hoya. Prime ODLH was 1998-2002. But Floyd is 'the best ever.' Most absurd shit. Definitely all time great status...actually singularly the best combination of matchmaker + marketer in the history of the fight game.

Mayweather has really underrated toughness beyond that flashy movement. Some fighters just don't know how to properly react when they get hurt for the first couple times in their careers. The couple times Floyd has been stunned, he reacted right away instinctively to either close the punching distance and hold a sec or swayed to the side. He also shook off the effects pretty quickly. Another misnomer is that Floyd 'runs' around the ring all the time. Especially as his legs got older, he actually operates within a small space in the ring. He's just ridiculously good at standing there and making you miss right in front of you. Shane Mosley was the one who hurt Floyd the worst with a single shot. People forget that not only did Floyd recover, for most of the rest of the fight, Floyd wasn't running...he was walking Shane down making him miss because Shane by that point was a very low volume puncher loading up on power punches that were missing.

Point is that I think people are really undervalueing the possibility of Manny winning by decision (+400) just by outworking Mayweather in and out and especially by taking the first 3 or 4 rounds that Floyd tends to give away. The notion that 'Manny has to KO him or Floyd will win a decision easy' is really shortsighted. I don't think Manny can KO Floyd. Too tough to hit often, actual physical toughness when you do hit him, and he's so ridiculously risk adverse so there's so few opportunities. Sure will hope for it though.

On May 02 2015 20:17 iakim322 wrote: GGG is 100% the truth. But seeing as how even top 168 and 175'ers are tippy toeing around risking a fight with GGG, there's about as much chance that Mayweather would fight him at the end of his career as there would be of a Filipino rooting for the black guy tonight. Don't blame him for that one though at all obviously. Do blame him for dodging the fuck out of Margarito during his prime, Kosta Tsuzyu (who Floyd avoided like the plague while moving through 135-140), and Sergio Martinez before Sergio's knees became like crushed toothpicks. To date, Floyd's signature victory is still 2007's SPLIT decision over a way past prime Oscar De La Hoya. Prime ODLH was 1998-2002. But Floyd is 'the best ever.' Most absurd shit. Definitely all time great status...actually singularly the best combination of matchmaker + marketer in the history of the fight game. Mayweather has really underrated toughness beyond that flashy movement. Some fighters just don't know how to properly react when they get hurt for the first couple times in their careers. The couple times Floyd has been stunned, he reacted right away instinctively to either close the punching distance and hold a sec or swayed to the side. He also shook off the effects pretty quickly. Another misnomer is that Floyd 'runs' around the ring all the time. Especially as his legs got older, he actually operates within a small space in the ring. He's just ridiculously good at standing there and making you miss right in front of you. Shane Mosley was the one who hurt Floyd the worst with a single shot. People forget that not only did Floyd recover, for most of the rest of the fight, Floyd wasn't running...he was walking Shane down making him miss because Shane by that point was a very low volume puncher loading up on power punches that were missing. Point is that I think people are really undervalueing the possibility of Manny winning by decision (+400) just by outworking Mayweather in and out and especially by taking the first 3 or 4 rounds that Floyd tends to give away. The notion that 'Manny has to KO him or Floyd will win a decision easy' is really shortsighted. I don't think Manny can KO Floyd. Too tough to hit often, actual physical toughness when you do hit him, and he's so ridiculously risk adverse so there's so few opportunities. Sure will hope for it though.

Poor GGG can't even get Cotto to fight him. He has been relegated to crushing cans and gatekeepers forever. Despite the wary comments he made regarding a fight between them, I do think Froch will ultimately step up and fight him. Besides CF though, I don't see a top 3 154/160/168 fighting GGG willingly.

GGG vs Andre Ward. Thats the fight I want to see.
Ward will smash him though.

edit: Also GGG will murder Cotto. This is not a close fight.

5dimes:

Pacquiao wins by 12 round decision +472
Mayweather wins by 12 round decision +100

Cotto will never fight GGG. I don't blame him for that (it would be murder and it's not like Cotto hasn't fought challenges before) except for the fact that he cherry picked a middleweight title off a basically disabled champion in Martinez and is now holding it hostage while not even pretending to make an effort to defend at the title weight which is preventing GGG from getting more linear recognition which he clearly deserves.

I like Carl Froch a lot. Simple glance at his resume shows you that he's probably faced the most consistent murderer's row of fighters/punchers for an active fighter out there. But his chin finally began showing some signs of give. His next fight is pretty much his retirement fight. Doesn't seem like fighting a monster puncher on top of real skills who the public doesn't even fully recognize yet is the fight to go for that criteria of a last fight. Would be badass if he did though.

Ward doesn't exist. Someone who willingly reneges on his promotional deal and sits out year after year...talking shit to others while being inactive because of your own dumbass self cannot be taken seriously until he's actually back in the ring. FYI, he tried strong arming HBO into paying him showcase HBO fight money for a 'softie' on his comeback fight because he's worried about rust...even while in the next sentence talking shit about how much leverage he has as opposed to others like GGG. HBO finally had enough of that shit and now Andre Ward is fighting a nobody named Paul Smith??? on BET channel for his comeback fight

On May 02 2015 21:25 northsails wrote: GGG vs Andre Ward. Thats the fight I want to see. Ward will smash him though. edit: Also GGG will murder Cotto. This is not a close fight.

i agree with both of those predictions. cotto has nothing for GGG, and ward is just unreal. will be interesting to see how he is next month after 18 months off (even if it is vs a can). but even though i favor ward, i think GGG would fight him in a heartbeat while ward would almost certainly duck the fight. like iamkim said, hes a ghost

damn bet 80eu at -188 5 hrs ago and its -215 now

i gave in and put a small bet in on Pac by decision for fun

On May 02 2015 20:17 iakim322 wrote: GGG is 100% the truth. But seeing as how even top 168 and 175'ers are tippy toeing around risking a fight with GGG, there's about as much chance that Mayweather would fight him at the end of his career as there would be of a Filipino rooting for the black guy tonight. Don't blame him for that one though at all obviously. Do blame him for dodging the fuck out of Margarito during his prime, Kosta Tsuzyu (who Floyd avoided like the plague while moving through 135-140), and Sergio Martinez before Sergio's knees became like crushed toothpicks. To date, Floyd's signature victory is still 2007's SPLIT decision over a way past prime Oscar De La Hoya. Prime ODLH was 1998-2002. But Floyd is 'the best ever.' Most absurd shit. Definitely all time great status...actually singularly the best combination of matchmaker + marketer in the history of the fight game. Mayweather has really underrated toughness beyond that flashy movement. Some fighters just don't know how to properly react when they get hurt for the first couple times in their careers. The couple times Floyd has been stunned, he reacted right away instinctively to either close the punching distance and hold a sec or swayed to the side. He also shook off the effects pretty quickly. Another misnomer is that Floyd 'runs' around the ring all the time. Especially as his legs got older, he actually operates within a small space in the ring. He's just ridiculously good at standing there and making you miss right in front of you. Shane Mosley was the one who hurt Floyd the worst with a single shot. People forget that not only did Floyd recover, for most of the rest of the fight, Floyd wasn't running...he was walking Shane down making him miss because Shane by that point was a very low volume puncher loading up on power punches that were missing. Point is that I think people are really undervalueing the possibility of Manny winning by decision (+400) just by outworking Mayweather in and out and especially by taking the first 3 or 4 rounds that Floyd tends to give away. The notion that 'Manny has to KO him or Floyd will win a decision easy' is really shortsighted. I don't think Manny can KO Floyd. Too tough to hit often, actual physical toughness when you do hit him, and he's so ridiculously risk adverse so there's so few opportunities. Sure will hope for it though.

This is spot on to me which is why I bet the over and not Floyd by decision. The only thing that makes me think Floyd will win is their career arch - bearing in mind that Pacquio most certainly was roiding for certain points of his career, while I believe Floyd has for sure always been clean - as well as the fact that Floyd has the fight IQ advantage. Not because he is a historically better fighter or any of that mainstream non-sense.

Stylistically I don't know who the clash of styles (offensive dynamo vs pure counter fighter) or south-paw vs ortho dynamic will favor, and that makes it closer to a pickem in the sense that the 'worse fighter' could still win due to a favorable matchup.

I think the best bet is the over, and feel great about it. If anyone get's the KO, it will probably be Floyd on an over-aggressive Manny who finds himself out of position, but I think the odds are low as it would have to be the perfect punch - Floyd is not a power puncher.

On May 02 2015 23:25 PuertoRican wrote:

Not a Pac-fan or anything, but Marquez was juiced to the gills in this fight. As a fellow avid MMA fan and better, I'm sure you can appreciate the importance of that.

Juiced or not, that was just a perfect shot catching Manny coming in. Pacman himself has stated that he was going for the finish at that moment as he had Marquez hurt. He become reckless and overaggresive and Marquez caught him with the perfect shot. This is one of the best KO's in history as far as I am concerned.

Here is video of Marquez giving his breakdown of the fight and he actually praises Manny's chin and says it is better than Mayweather's:

On May 02 2015 23:28 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2015 23:25 PuertoRican wrote: Not a Pac-fan or anything, but Marquez was juiced to the gills in this fight. As a fellow avid MMA fan and better, I'm sure you can appreciate the importance of that.

Yeah, Marquez was on dat shit for that fight. However, he did land clean on Pacquiao as he was rushing in AND his feet were way off balance as you can see. It was literally the worst position Pacquiao could be in, and he ate every bit of that punch.

Also, I only posted it cuz I like seeing KO`s.

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Scalpers are supposedly losing a lot of money on the tickets they're trying to sell: http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather...et-brokers-losing-their-shirts--90514

anyone got a good stream?

the plebe need a link !

my country is one of the few streaming live on tv for free, for a change lol

The main event will probably start in 30 minutes, aka 4:30 LP.net.

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Ariel Helwani ?@arielhelwani 10m10 minutes ago
Lampley just confirmed they are stalling due to the logjam of PPV orders.

Stalling? Lol

close to an hour stalemate lol

p sure they invested $$$ into ppl to ddos every single pirated site thats streaming this. every1 reporting issues about getting no good links. a site i use that i pay for got ddos'ed LOL. hasnt happened in 3 + yrs

On May 03 2015 03:50 RaiNKhAN wrote: p sure they invested $$$ into ppl to ddos every single pirated site thats streaming this. every1 reporting issues about getting no good links. a site i use that i pay for got ddos'ed LOL. hasnt happened in 3 + yrs

Several people who purchased the PPV are having lagging issues. My BFF just posted about lag on his PPV stream that he paid for (Bay Area resident).

worst link ever but still works http://cc2tv-castle.blogspot.co.nz/2015/04/server-2-liga.html#www.rojadirecta.me

know nothing bout boxing.

clinch looks pretty cheap. also, how come mayweather's allowed to sucker punch pac while clinching and pac doesnt retaliate.

Round 1: Mayweather
Round 2: Mayweather
Round 3: Mayweather
Round 4: Pacquiao
Round 5: Big lag spike, dunno who won. Nobody did anything during the last 30 seconds.

Manny hurt him bad in the 3rd. Mayweather back in control now.

nvm

OMG LINK DIED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://janlul.com/stream1.html

On May 03 2015 04:27 rogier wrote: http://janlul.com/stream1.html

green star

^^^^ rogier for commander in chief of netherlands

Paqio won every round so far (IMO)
Most boring fight I've ever seen

rly, mayweather seem to have much of this in control but maybe that's the nature of the fight when he's a defensive fighter with longer reach.

On May 03 2015 04:39 TalentedTom wrote: Paqio won every round so far (IMO) Most boring fight I've ever seen

Pac won 4 rounds at the most

On May 03 2015 04:39 TalentedTom wrote: Paqio won every round so far (IMO) Most boring fight I've ever seen

last live betting line i saw was -2014 mayweather

That was domination.

My streams were too laggy to watch anything after round 4 and give an honest assessment of the fight.

Too bad there's no live punch-stat in boxing like there is with the UFC.

pacman sucks

hit the showers ahahahahah

Is the fight worth watching? Missed it, fuck. Because of a stupid concert!!'

On May 03 2015 04:54 Raidern wrote: Is the fight worth watching? Missed it, fuck. Because of a stupid concert!!'

more value in watching spurs-clippers

Rofl was trying to dump my bovada roll on mayweather before the fight but waited too long and it was too lagged out...

Missed freest money

On May 03 2015 04:55 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2015 04:54 Raidern wrote: Is the fight worth watching? Missed it, fuck. Because of a stupid concert!!' more value in watching spurs-clippers

yea game was nuts omg

peachy happy ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CEDce4EW8AA9BX6.mp4

Crazy how Mayweather landed more punches than Pacquiao by almost 2-1.

Mayweather's movement and defense is too good like many thought.

GG PacMan.

So fight went pretty much exactly how everyone expected it would have since the idea was first introduced...

almost bet 1000 on mayweather decision but don't feel like entering CC in my phone crew reporting in

the old pacman woulda prob won this fight IMO. floyd is very wise about what fights to take and when to take them. yeah the fight is like 5 years too late, but floyd got fukkin paid lol

Pac claiming injury: "Pacquiao fought with injured shoulder, NAC denied pre-fight treatment in locker room."

I'll post the post-fight press conference when it's available.

Edit: The chairman of the NSAC said they were not aware of Pacquiao's injury prior to the fight.

Team Pacquiao trying to give excuses cuz he can't take the loss like a man.

On May 03 2015 05:31 RaiNKhAN wrote: the old pacman woulda prob won this fight IMO. floyd is very wise about what fights to take and when to take them. yeah the fight is like 5 years too late, but floyd got fukkin paid lol

5 years ago they would have splitted 50 mln - 25mln a piece. Now Mayweather is banking 180mln - He is laughing all the way to the bank. Both fighters are deteriorated alot. 5 years ago It would have been insane fight but Floyd would have been the favourite again.

From what I have read about the fight I probably won't even bother watching it. RIP boxing

Janay Rice @JanayRice · 8h 8 hours ago
My husband hits harder than mayweather #BoxingIsDead #MacPac #MayPac

amazing lol

holy fuck haha

I had both fighters at 0 power punches thrown, I'd like to see footage of 1 power punch thrown this fight

bamboozzlllelledd mayweather is god, 9 figures one night, . . lol 100 million dollar check..gg america, no sweat, no blood, boxings dead, we are all dumb

Am i the only who watched this and got bored after 3 rounds wishing there was ufc this weekend?

Truth is boxing pretty much sucks except maybe some heavyweights like Tyson back in the day. MMA is far more entertaining. This mayweather fight was all dumb hype and didn't amount to shit.

On May 03 2015 16:32 Floofy wrote: Am i the only who watched this and got bored after 3 rounds wishing there was ufc this weekend?

I'm sure 90% of people felt like this
Would have to be intoxicated to not find this "historic event" boring

boxing<mma<worldstar

On May 03 2015 15:35 TalentedTom wrote: I had both fighters at 0 power punches thrown, I'd like to see footage of 1 power punch thrown this fight

many threw many wide hooks with 100% strenght but they missed every time

Yup neither hit a wide hook, they hit plenty of powerful jabs though

Comcast is charging $99.99 through Wednesday for the REPLAY on demand. WTF. How is that not just scamming old people and others who aren't completely cognitively aware of what they are clicking? I can't imagine a single person on the planet in their right mind would pay for that. Just insane. Fuck Comcast.