PuertoRican United States. Nov 30 2014 03:09. Posts 13047
Date: Saturday, December 6th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)
- Gian Villante was expected to face Corey Anderson at the event. However, Villante pulled out of the fight citing an injury and was replaced by Jonathan Wilson. A few days later, it was announced that Wilson was forced out of the fight and undefeated newcomer Justin Jones would take his place.
- Touted newcomer, Holly Holm was expected to face Raquel Pennington at this event. However, Holm pulled out of the fight in mid-November, citing a neck injury. Holm was replaced by UFC newcomer Ashlee Evans-Smith.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 30 2014 03:20. Posts 13047
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First impression of the match-ups:
• Hendricks > Lawler
• Pettis > Melendez
• Schaub > Browne
• Duffee > Hamilton
• Ferguson > Trujillo
• Faber > Rivera
• Gordon > Samman
• Anderson vs. Jones (dunno)
• Pennington > Smith (Smith's claim to fame is her win over the transvestite MMA fighter named Fallon Fox. Smith has some high school and/or college wrestle skills, but she isn't elite by any means. Pennington isn't elite by any means, but she has the experience against tough fighters, experience in fighting on the 'big stage,' is the better striker, and has the better chin. Pennington at +160 is the right bet.
• Pettis > Hobar (Baby Pettis will be the smaller guy, but he always is the smaller guy. Hobar has terrible defense. The only thing you have to worry about is Hobar trying to wrestle-fuck Baby Pettis, but I'd hope he wouldn't fall for that shit.)
• White vs. Collard (dunno)
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soberstone United States. Nov 30 2014 14:41. Posts 2662
Hendricks > Lawler - Wouldn't bet on it
Pettis > Melendez - Wouldn't bet on it now but when Pettis was only like -160 I would have
Browne >>>> Schaub - Would love to hear Rican's reasoning, I think Schaub is going to sleep
Duffee > Hamilton - Would bet on Hamilton at current odds, Duffee's cardio and chin are not good and he's coming off a huge layoff
Fergusson >>>> Trujillo - Would bet on this one, Trujillo should have nothing for him and I see no path to victory
Faber > Rivera - Would never bet on this with the odds where they are
Gordon > Samman
Anderson > Jones via wrestle-fuck/grind
Smith > Pennington
Pettis > Hobar - Would love to parlay this with Fergusson
Collard > White - Collard is awesome
PuertoRican United States. Nov 30 2014 18:03. Posts 13047
On November 30 2014 13:41 soberstone wrote:
Browne >>>> Schaub - Would love to hear Rican's reasoning, I think Schaub is going to sleep
If both chins were equal, there wouldn't -- and shouldn't -- be any discussion on who would win, since Schaub is the better overall fighter. Since I don't think Schaub's chin will be an issue, I see +200 or better as a gift.
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soberstone United States. Nov 30 2014 19:32. Posts 2662
I think Browne is a better striker with much better movement and physical gifts. I see way no Schaub wins the fight whatsoever besides by KO, and the likelihood of that isn't all that high. I'm interested to see this fight now because I genuinely think you are way off on this one and usually when I feel that way I'm either really really right or really really wrong, rarely any middle ground. In other words, its rare that I've seen in these forums where I think a -300 guy is a good value and you think the other guy is great value - in MMA when people are big favs/dogs, it's rare there is value on either, and we're normally not that far apart, so I'm intrigued.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 30 2014 23:52. Posts 13047
On November 30 2014 18:32 soberstone wrote:
I think Browne is a better striker with much better movement and physical gifts. I see way no Schaub wins the fight whatsoever besides by KO, and the likelihood of that isn't all that high. I'm interested to see this fight now because I genuinely think you are way off on this one and usually when I feel that way I'm either really really right or really really wrong, rarely any middle ground. In other words, its rare that I've seen in these forums where I think a -300 guy is a good value and you think the other guy is great value - in MMA when people are big favs/dogs, it's rare there is value on either, and we're normally not that far apart, so I'm intrigued.
You are right, I have no clue what Puertorican is thinking, Shaub is 2-3 in his last 5 fights and those 2 wins were against Mitrione and Lavar Johnson ffs
Nice. Did you make a deposit or just bet on the freerolls?
I deposited $20 when I first started, but I just do the free rolls now. There's so many free rolls every week that it's not worth using your own money. Once I can luck out and get top 3 in a couple more events, I'll take a stab at the big-money events that cost $25+ to enter.
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iakim322 United States. Dec 01 2014 16:22. Posts 1335
I guess I'll be another of the few that likes Schaub at 3:1 too. Lots of Browne KO1 Schaub scenarios obviously but I don't actually think Browne's movement is good. And I think his fight IQ mostly sucks. And he reacted to his embarrassment vs Werdum by leaving Greg Jackson's gym for Ronda Rousey's coach while being bitter / making excuses about camp. And Ronda Rousey's coach is good for nothing but talking shit about how good he is with Ronda when really, he's just insanely lucky that his fighter is a super athlete compared to everyone of the same sex.
Also like Pettis even at -200. Think Melendez has an underrated fight IQ and is always so scrappy but the speed in kicks / talent gap just seems to be too much.
I like how you bash on coaches you've probably never met as if you've worked with them first hand for years :D
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 01 2014 18:56. Posts 13047
I love these videos~
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As for Travis Browne, it's true that he's at Edmond's gym for this fight and hasn't been at Jackson's MMA for awhile. One of Browne's training partners is Anthony Hamilton, while the other 3 or so guys are unknown people who aren't MMA fighters and are only proficient in one discipline (at least that's how it sounded when Browne described them).
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K40Cheddar United States. Dec 01 2014 19:38. Posts 2202
On November 30 2014 17:03 PuertoRican wrote:
If both chins were equal, there wouldn't -- and shouldn't -- be any discussion on who would win, since Schaub is the better overall fighter.
You on crack bro?
GG
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soberstone United States. Dec 01 2014 22:05. Posts 2662
In the Hendricks v Lawler fight, I do think the one thing Robbie has going for him is that he's been super active and I could see him opening up early and taking a lead, which could change the dynamic of the fight. I do believe the injury did fuck with Johnny in the first fight though so I don't see Lawler winning if he gives up the first round or two like last time. Hendrick's chin and defense just too good at this point. Lawler will need to get it done early this time (not necessarily a KO) but definetely some good work to slow Johhny down. Wouldn't bet on this fight, I'm intrigued and think the odds are spot on. I bet on Lawler the first fight and almost came up big, the spread was too wide on that one - especially since Johnny's chin hadn't been tested the way it was in that fight at that point. Even though that fight was close, I thought Johnny's heart, fight-IQ (which was terrible early on in his career), and chin were all attributes that were only proven in that fight.
As far as the Browne v Big Brown, I don't care about the camp changes and all that, could work in either direction, not like Schaub trains at a 'Elite' camp either anyway. Browne's striking is a bit flashier, not that much better, but he has more power, a much better chin, and a much longer reach, which is what really matters here IMO. Cardio they are both strong in for HW's, and I don't see it going 3 anyway. In the clinch he's probably way stronger and will knee/elbow Schaub with impunity. I doubt Schaub gets him down more than once, maybe he expends an insane amount of energy on a TD early in which case he won't sub him anyway and than would probably slow down from there and get KO'd.
TBH it's not like I really like betting on this fight too much, would probably put it in a small parlay with Fergusson and the Pettis's or something if I was feeling frisky.
Like I said before, Duffee is so over-rated to this day it's crazy. Sure he might highlight Hamilton or just make him look terrible by KOing him with a power jab or something, but he could also run into something big and get hilariously KO'd, fairly unlikely but his chin is suspect, and if it goes past the first round, Hamilton will just need even decent cardio to win. I don't know if he has it because its 2014 HW in the UFC, so who really knows. Could get ugly and bad from there if he doesn't (Duffee's performance vs Russow was embarrassing)
Best bet on the card (which, full disclosure, I said the best bet on the last card was Rosholt who got KTFO) is Fergusson. He is going to pick Trujillo apart so bad on the feet and than probably take him down and sub him in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Fergusson is an awesome, well-rounded fighter with no obvious weaknesses besides not being the best wrestler, and Trujillo doesn't wrestle. He's a brawler who was getting out-brawled by an idiotic Jamie Varner who finally ran into what was coming to him. Fergusson can beat Trujillo in absolutely anyway he wants and just needs to not run into the perfect punch, which he won't because he's one of the best boxers, offensively and defensively, in the UFC.
Finally, just watch the Collard vs White fight because its the first fight of the night and is gonna be awesome, nontechnical violence.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 02 2014 22:10. Posts 13047
Nice Man. How do you find this freerolls? I tried and I cant find them without your links : S
Some of them I already know about, like MMA Oddsbreaker, Fury's Fight Picks, and the Morency & Black links. For the ones I don't know about, I get them from the Sherdog "MMA Betting Thread" that I visit every day.
Really solid card. Still wish cards like this would have a little more depth to them but those days seem to be gone. For modern UFC this is pretty sick.
ye it's a great card considering the amount of events they are making these days. most of the time i'm only interested in the main event or 2 fights max. I stopped being a fan of MMA though so I only look forward to watching fights that seem appealing to me.
I agree with you Raidern, most of the events sucks this days because of the expansion shit strategy, I hate that. I use to be a huge fan and I am still a fan but I am not as excited as before anymore.
Jeah I completely agree. Obviously UFC can only produce that many stars at a time and just standard hype videos aren't doing it anymore. Even the casual viewer doesn't buy some of that hype shit and UFC is not innovating enough new stuff plus it takes time for countries to adopt MMA mainstream. So there are not enough fighters out there, not enough infrastructure and lack of creativity how to make mma more appealing. I don't think UFC is to blame as they are doing a tremendous job expanding. I haven't watched a full card in a long time and I often skip through fights if they are K.Os or submissions. Not even touching no name decision fights and basically only watch the "known" or "up and coming" great fighters. The sport needs to grow in order to produce more talent/bigger shows/better rules/more ecosystem around it. I still prefer more ok fights compared to how it was in the "good old days". The only reason we see these old times as better in terms of show/card quality is because we were younger, it was newer and the cards were fewer. The skill lvl today is so much higher and mma is evolving. Give it time and I think we will see amazing fights in the future, hopefully not only by UFC as a carrier but by good competitors as well
In terms of predictions:
Johny Hendricks > Robbie Lawler -> I hope for Lawler, I like the kid. If Hendricks really injured himself in their last bout and still fought through it, getting a win in a brutal fight... Then I believe he will be more devastating in their rematch. I hope Lawler really climbed a few LvL in the meanwhile so this could be madness!
Anthony Pettis > Gilbert Melendez -> Melendez is tough but I am not betting against Pettis at 155, he is just so sick with his stand up / submission. Been a fan since WEC days.
Travis Browne > Brendan Schaub -> I think Schaub is too high on himself in podcasts and general. I think he is a great athlete but I have never seen how he could be a champion in the future/ Browne has all these gifts but his fight IQ varies between genius (elbows vs Barnett, foot to the chin of Overeem) and stupidity (brawling and taking too much punishment for no good reasons). Very interesting fight in terms of entertainment
Todd Duffee > Anthony Hamilton -> Simply betting on Duffee because he is gifted, he probably is rusty and he was really sick for some time, so I could be completely off
Tony Ferguson > Abel Trujillo -> Ferguson is a beast, he will find a way
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)
Urijah Faber > Francisco Rivera -> not gonna bet against Faber
Eddie Gordon > Josh Samman -> Samman was interesting on TUF, however his injuries and Eddie Gordon as an opponent... I am leaning towards Gordon
Corey Anderson = Justin Jones (3-0) -> interested but no info
Raquel Pennington = Ashlee Evans-Smith -> do not care for 99% of women fights
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)
Sergio Pettis > Matt Hobar -> only know Pettis, he is still early in his career but I think the last loss and his brother/Rufus will prepare him the right way
Alex White = Clay Collard -> no clue
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 03 2014 16:05. Posts 13047
... are you guys crazy? how can you talk badly about Brownes fighting IQ? he has always fought exactly the way he should, he knocked Reem out with planned front kicks and didnt deviate from the plan, he KOd Barnett with planned elbows to a guy who likes to bullrush takedowns and he brawled against Werdum and he probably thought that would be enough to take the win.
We can especulate if it was only Jacksons coaching behind it or not, but we have no way to know it.
If anything Browne has showed intelligent fighting and not atheltic or technical hability for fucks sake -___-
Disagree. In the past Browne has shown mostly aggressiveness and talent (James McSweeney, Stefan Strufe). Then he had bad fights like vs Cheick Kongo, Antonio Silva (injured). And moments of brilliance like the elbows vs Gonzaga and Barnett. Keep in mind that he was losing vs Overeem up until the KO. If you consider how gifted Browne is, how well he moves/his ability to include techniques like front kicks and elbows and so forth... I mean he has all the tools, long reach of 80, 6'7, athletics.. Then you look how often he gets in troublesome brawls and his last fight against Werdum. His foot work was kind of shitty and he gassed plus he didn't utilize his reach. What I am saying is in terms of talent Browne is right up there, in terms of how he makes use of it, he is not in the same league as some of the other fighters. I still see him as a decent favorite over Schaub, to be champion material he would need to improve many areas and become more solid in his approach.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 04 2014 12:43. Posts 13047
JonnyCosMo United States. Dec 05 2014 05:03. Posts 7292
I think it's crazy to think Pettis is a bigger favorite over Melendez than Hendricks over Lawler. Also epic lol at heavyweight lines being near the +300 range.
Lawler segments are so ridiculously bad. Flat tyre, buying "fashionable clothes" ... those pants are just too long. Awful. Meanwhile Hendricks is playing golf, buying guns and talking about hunting.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 05 2014 11:11. Posts 7499
All their parts are pretty terrible. Only good part was seeing Pettis spar a lil and shadow box.
@Johnny, Pettis might be the best striker in the UFC. I can't even remember him ever being hit cleanly. His defense is incredible, his kicks are devastating. I think he lights Gil up on the feet. And I don't think Gil has the wrestling to hold him down enough to win 3 rounds. I think Pettis was great Value and -200-220ish. Probably even at -240.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
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JonnyCosMo United States. Dec 05 2014 14:51. Posts 7292
Way over-hyped and retardedly bad takedown defense. The problem is Pettis will rarely win a decision caz he goes to his back way too much, and Melendez is very tough.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Dec 05 2014 15:01. Posts 7292
Hendricks should be like -350 at least.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 05 2014 15:44. Posts 13047
Gilbert Melendez: "I feel like I really represent the normal man. The hard working, blue collar, normal man. I'm not no flashy dude wearing gold chains, and trying to run off the cage; I'm hard work. Now its become a career, now this is what puts food on my table. Now, there's the added pressure of having to deliver for a family. It's not about me anymore, it's about fighting for my daughter, my wife, and my dad. It's a little more added pressure, but that's what fuels my fire nowadays."
Really? The comment about the gold chain is laughable. As for being a hard worker, is that an excuse for him saying his skills are limited? Because Pettis is just as hard working as Melendez, if not more hard working. Melendez didn't have to face the adversity that Pettis did when it comes to injuries and surgeries, and they're both gym rats. + Show Spoiler +
On December 05 2014 14:01 JonnyCosMo wrote:
Hendricks should be like -350 at least.
I think the first fight is confusing people. Hendricks DOMINATED lawler up until lawler managed to land one lucky hard punch, and even tho he landed that lucky punch he still managed to lose the fight. Keeping in mind Hendricks was injured which prevented him from using his godlike wrestling, i think Hendricks is a big favorite.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 05 2014 18:45. Posts 13047
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soberstone United States. Dec 05 2014 18:48. Posts 2662
On December 05 2014 14:01 JonnyCosMo wrote:
Hendricks should be like -350 at least.
I think the first fight is confusing people. Hendricks DOMINATED lawler up until lawler managed to land one lucky hard punch, and even tho he landed that lucky punch he still managed to lose the fight. Keeping in mind Hendricks was injured which prevented him from using his godlike wrestling, i think Hendricks is a big favorite.
You may be right about the role of the injury but there was no lucky punch, that's ridiculous... Lawler is a top-notch striker and will land similarly hard shots of Hendricks is forced to stand in the pocket trade again... and his wrestling is not God-like, it's top-notch but if he wrestled more, his cardio might have been more of a question mark too, as wrestling uses much more energy than trading in the pocket, especially since Robbie didn't go to the body at all and has under-rated TDD these days.
Not saying Hendricks shouldn't be the favorite, especially in light of the injury, but you are just wrong about any 'lucky-punch' sentiments.
The luck was as follows, Hendricks was lucky Lawler decided to start slow, and Lawler was lucky Hendricks tore his bicep.
That's how I see it.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 05 2014 19:17. Posts 7499
@RiseAboveHate83 johnny Hendricks looks 2 seconds away from death right now with his weight cut
It's kinda silly since Hendricks has a bunch of fat he could cut and it wouldn't even be that bad.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 05 2014 19:42. Posts 13047
On December 05 2014 18:17 Stim_Abuser wrote:
@RiseAboveHate83 johnny Hendricks looks 2 seconds away from death right now with his weight cut
It's kinda silly since Hendricks has a bunch of fat he could cut and it wouldn't even be that bad.
I assume that person saw Hendricks backstage at some point?
Anyway, Hendricks looked fine on the scale, very energetic like the last two fights. His cheeks were a little sucked in, but he didn't look bad at all.
As for Lawler, he looked the best he's ever looked.
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soberstone United States. Dec 05 2014 20:43. Posts 2662
On December 05 2014 18:17 Stim_Abuser wrote:
@RiseAboveHate83 johnny Hendricks looks 2 seconds away from death right now with his weight cut
It's kinda silly since Hendricks has a bunch of fat he could cut and it wouldn't even be that bad.
I assume that person saw Hendricks backstage at some point?
Anyway, Hendricks looked fine on the scale, very energetic like the last two fights. His cheeks were a little sucked in, but he didn't look bad at all.
As for Lawler, he looked the best he's ever looked.
Completely disagree. Re-watch it if you care to, he was shaking uncontrollably, looked like death. First thing that popped into my head. Not saying it will affect fight or anything but man, that guy will not make 170 for too many more fights unless he changes it up in between.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 05 2014 22:03. Posts 13047
On December 05 2014 18:17 Stim_Abuser wrote:
@RiseAboveHate83 johnny Hendricks looks 2 seconds away from death right now with his weight cut
It's kinda silly since Hendricks has a bunch of fat he could cut and it wouldn't even be that bad.
I assume that person saw Hendricks backstage at some point?
Anyway, Hendricks looked fine on the scale, very energetic like the last two fights. His cheeks were a little sucked in, but he didn't look bad at all.
As for Lawler, he looked the best he's ever looked.
Completely disagree. Re-watch it if you care to, he was shaking uncontrollably, looked like death. First thing that popped into my head. Not saying it will affect fight or anything but man, that guy will not make 170 for too many more fights unless he changes it up in between.
I just watched it again, and he didn't look like death, imo. He was a little shaky, but he was also a little shaky in his last weigh-in against Lawler, which was when there was a scale error and he had to lose another .5 pounds or something. He didn't get owned by the weight cut on fight night.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 05 2014 23:18. Posts 13047
lol Floofy... lucky punch ? Lawler is the best and most accurate countersstriker in the welter division for fucks sake.
And no Hendrix wasnt dominating, Lawler was slipping all his punches and landing hard ones in return until Hendrix leg kicks took out his movement, if there is a hole in Lawlers game is that he doesnt check leg kicks
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soberstone United States. Dec 06 2014 00:29. Posts 2662
Meh, agree to disagree, doubt it will noticeably effect the fight anyway, I mean we already knew the cut was one of the variables going against Johnny.
The Browne v Schaub stare-down got intense quickly, that was sort of unexpected.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 06 2014 00:34. Posts 13047
Baby Pettis is sick good, but inexperienced. Very surprised he didn't finish in first 2 rounds. He s champ material though
And lol at 29-28, 90 secs on top doing nothing apparently is better than multiple combos that hurt ? He was even doing more damage while @ bottom on the ground
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 06 2014 19:59. Posts 13047
Sergio Pettis showed several holes in his game. He better work hard on fixing them before his next fight, because he's not even ready for a top 10 opponent yet. The fear of being taken down made him throw a lot less.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 06 2014 20:17. Posts 13047
Sick win by Pennington! dat lesbian strength!
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Yeah baby, Ferguson with the win~~~ Brains and skills over brawn!
soberstone United States. Dec 06 2014 23:10. Posts 2662
pwnt.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 06 2014 23:16. Posts 13047
Edmond Tarverdyan is to Travis Browne, just like Steven Seagal is to Anderson Silva.
Expect everyone in the UFC to start throwing uppercuts now... Oh wait!
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flounder44 United States. Dec 06 2014 23:30. Posts 916
lag....
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wongfeihung United States. Dec 06 2014 23:34. Posts 48
Wooooooooo!
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 06 2014 23:35. Posts 13047
Pettis made it look easy once he found his range. Nice first round by Melendez.
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NMcNasty United States. Dec 06 2014 23:39. Posts 2039
Really wanted to see 5 rounds
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soberstone United States. Dec 06 2014 23:43. Posts 2662
NT by Gil, class act, Khabib is the only LW with a chance at this point.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 06 2014 23:54. Posts 13047
Going all 5 rounds (repeat of the first fight) with Johny Hendricks winning a decision, would be ideal for my two Kountermove teams left; one needs Hendricks to win, the other needs Lawler. I'd make more money if Hendricks won ITD instead of Lawler ITD.
lawler's movement disappeared. he seems tired from round 1
maybe he knows his cardio is not too good thats why he went crazy attack mode in the first round
milkman United States. Dec 07 2014 00:10. Posts 5719
i think lawler might have hurt his right hand
Its hard to make a easy buck legally, its impossible to make a easy buck morally.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 00:11. Posts 13047
Round 1: Lawler (Close though, cuz Hendricks did a lot during the last minute of the round and ended the round with a take down and on top. I don't count the clinch against the cage for Hendricks since Lawler was landing all those knees.)
Round 2: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Striking and wrestling was on-point.)
PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 00:16. Posts 13047
Round 1: Lawler (Close though, cuz Hendricks did a lot during the last minute of the round and ended the round with a take down and on top. I don't count the clinch against the cage for Hendricks since Lawler was landing all those knees.)
Round 2: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Striking and wrestling was on-point.)
Round 3: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Lawler looked like a shell of himself in this round.)
i agree that he mightve broke his hand. hes almost not throwing punches
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 00:23. Posts 13047
Round 1: Lawler (Close though, cuz Hendricks did a lot during the last minute of the round and ended the round with a take down and on top. I don't count the clinch against the cage for Hendricks since Lawler was landing all those knees.)
Round 2: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Striking and wrestling was on-point.)
Round 3: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Lawler looked like a shell of himself in this round.)
Round 4: I missed the last 1.5 minutes of the round, but I gave most of the round to Hendricks.
On December 06 2014 23:20 Floofy wrote:
Is it me or hendricks has much much better cardio?
Hendricks tore his bicep in the 1st round of their first fight, and he kept going for take downs, thus spending a lot of energy for nothing. Lawler gassed in the 5th round of the 1st fight, not terribly, but enough to lose the round via easy take down.
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milkman United States. Dec 07 2014 00:26. Posts 5719
well thats the worst lawler ive ever seen... i want my bet back..
i wonder whats wrong with him
Its hard to make a easy buck legally, its impossible to make a easy buck morally.
I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 00:30. Posts 13047
Round 1: Lawler (Close though, cuz Hendricks did a lot during the last minute of the round and ended the round with a take down and on top. I don't count the clinch against the cage for Hendricks since Lawler was landing all those knees.)
Round 2: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Striking and wrestling was on-point.)
Round 3: Hendricks (Dominant round by Hendricks. Lawler looked like a shell of himself in this round.)
Round 4: I missed the last 1.5 minutes of the round, but I gave most of the round to Hendricks.
Round 5: Lawler (Hendricks kept stalling against the cage with no damage. The striking during the first half of the round was even, while Lawler dominated the striking during the last two minutes of the round.)
milkman United States. Dec 07 2014 00:32. Posts 5719
wow... terrible judging.. im glad i won some money but i dont see how he could have possibly won.. maybe i dont understand the scoring system.... looks like hendricks got robbed for the belt twice now LOL
Its hard to make a easy buck legally, its impossible to make a easy buck morally.
Do nothing for 3,5 rounds... win 49-46... must be nice
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soberstone United States. Dec 07 2014 00:33. Posts 2662
I love Robbie lawler, he did more damage in that fight. But I have to say, I don't see how can you possibly give him 2-4. I just don't. That's the crowd influencing the judging.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 00:33. Posts 13047
I guess the judges disliked Hendricks delaying as much as the fans, won my bet but Lawler should have lost
I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly
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soberstone United States. Dec 07 2014 00:35. Posts 2662
If you had that fight for Lawler you don't know what you are watching. Round 4 included. That's horseshit. And I was rooting for Lawler and had no skin in the game. But that's just sad judging.
What a load of shit. Hendricks has so much heart and i'll always be rooting for him. Who the fuck are these judges and what the fuck are they doing? Was always going to be a controversial decision but yeah 49-46 ... Also Browne looked awesome earlier, made the other guy look like a scrub.
I will have to watch round 2 again, because from my memory this was clearly won hard by hendricks. I understand round 1 and 4 could go to lawler thought.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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soberstone United States. Dec 07 2014 00:42. Posts 2662
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 00:43. Posts 13047
On December 06 2014 23:39 NMcNasty wrote:
I heard 49-46 and started walking to the bathroom, then had to spin around.
Only real clear rounds were 3 for Hendrix and 5 for Lawler though so I'm not ridiculously* surprised.
Round 2 was the clearest round for Hendricks. That was when Lawler fell asleep and did nothing at all. Round 3 was clear for Hendricks, but he was less active.
I vote Floofy for judge. Really. Makes more sense than 9828934234-21
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soberstone United States. Dec 07 2014 00:58. Posts 2662
On December 06 2014 23:37 whamm! wrote:
ive seen worse robberies in the UFC and lawler got robbed in their first fight too. i dont like hendricks as champ - but he's a great guy at top 5
Yah you clearly don't know what a robbery looks like. Not a whole lot of people had Lawler in their first fight, and if you did, power to you, but it certainly wasn't a robbery.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 01:01. Posts 13047
Lawler's win paid out 88 points on Kountermove, while Hendricks' loss paid out 90.5 points. I think there's an error in the points payout, since Lawler landed more overall strikes and won the fight. The winner is always supposed to get more points in that situation.
Anyway, they already paid out the winners on Kountermove, so I don't think anything will come of it.
On December 06 2014 23:39 NMcNasty wrote:
I heard 49-46 and started walking to the bathroom, then had to spin around.
Only real clear rounds were 3 for Hendrix and 5 for Lawler though so I'm not ridiculously* surprised.
Round 2 was the clearest round for Hendricks. That was when Lawler fell asleep and did nothing at all. Round 3 was clear for Hendricks, but he was less active.
I might be getting 2 and 3 mixed up. There was one round Hendrix was landing multiple combinations that I thought he clearly won, but the rest his advantage just seemed control based which usually I find judges give too much weight to, but maybe they swung too far in the opposite direction this time.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 01:32. Posts 13047
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The great thing about Robbie Lawler winning the title is that Rory MacDonald doesn't have to face an elite wrestler now. And yes, Rory does get the next title shot, as he's the #1 contender and the event was already set in stone after Rory won his last fight. It will take place in Canada.
Lawler did fight terribly most of the fight. 1st and end of the 5th round and the rest was like he disappeared. But he was the only one trying to finish, all those cage stalls hurt hendricks and he did admit to coasting for the win. People didn't boo this fight because of Lawler that's for sure, and the last fight they had most people had it for Lawler.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 04:20. Posts 13047
"Don't be scary."
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JonnyCosMo United States. Dec 07 2014 06:08. Posts 7292
On December 05 2014 04:03 JonnyCosMo wrote:
I think it's crazy to think Pettis is a bigger favorite over Melendez than Hendricks over Lawler. Also epic lol at heavyweight lines being near the +300 range.
He's not considered interim champ. Either way I don't see how he won that fight. I should watch round one again I didn't even have him winning that. However he is awesome so it's whatever. I think that is largely how people feel about this.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 07 2014 11:59. Posts 7499
I don't like Hendricks one bit, but I do kinda feel bad for him. This is two title fights he's been jobbed in by the judges.
You'd think after the GSP fight he'd learn to not take the 5th round off though.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 07 2014 12:25. Posts 7499
Wonder if Pettis will be able to not get smothered by Khabib. 3 finishes in a row against guys that are nearly impossible to finish. What a killer. His stand up is a league above everyone elses in MMA. He hits people so hard that by the time they get to the ground black belts are grappling like blue belts.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
Pettis is unbelievable. Before the fight i thought there was probably value in melenedez, but the entire time I watched I had this feeling that there was no way he wouldnt catch gilbert with something at some point. He's a great fighter moving backwards, but maybe the best of all time moving forwards. The windows of opportunity he takes advantage of are so small. It's like he combines the best aspects of Anderson, Aldo and Jones: anderson's reflexes, aldo's takedown defense and quick finishing ability and jones creativity and problem solving ability. yet somehow he is still beatable: wouldnt be at all surprised to see khabib blanket him. The vulnerability combined with the incredible finishes makes his popularity ceiling closer to anderson silva level than jones/aldo who basically seem unbeatable.
every time he fights i ask myself 2 questions: will he lose this one or will he do something incredible? very different than other fighters and makes me want to watch his fights more than anyone.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 15:49. Posts 13047
This was posted on the UFC's Instagram page as "caption this."
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soberstone United States. Dec 07 2014 15:58. Posts 2662
On December 07 2014 02:52 whamm! wrote:
Lawler did fight terribly most of the fight. 1st and end of the 5th round and the rest was like he disappeared. But he was the only one trying to finish, all those cage stalls hurt hendricks and he did admit to coasting for the win. People didn't boo this fight because of Lawler that's for sure, and the last fight they had most people had it for Lawler.
No... First fight on mmadecisions (I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff):
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BleacherReport.com 48-47 Hendricks
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Chris Nelson
Sherdog.com 48-47 Hendricks
TJ DeSantis
Sherdog.com 48-47 Hendricks
Jordan Breen
Sherdog.com 48-47 Hendricks
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BloodyElbow.com 48-47 Hendricks
SevereMMA.com 48-47 Hendricks
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com 48-47 Hendricks
Jason Floyd
TheMMAReport.com 48-47 Hendricks
John Pollock
Fight Network 48-47 Hendricks
MMABrasil.com.br 48-47 Hendricks
Chase Raymond
BJPenn.com 47-48 Lawler
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 07 2014 17:51. Posts 13047
Jason David Frank, aka the green Power Ranger, aka the white Power Ranger. He's 1-0 in professional MMA, and 3-0 in amateur MMA. He's a 7th degree black belt in Karate, and a purple belt in BJJ.
soberstone United States. Dec 07 2014 18:41. Posts 2662
On December 07 2014 16:51 PuertoRican wrote:
Jason David Frank, aka the green Power Ranger, aka the white Power Ranger. He's 1-0 in professional MMA, and 3-0 in amateur MMA. He's a 7th degree black belt in Karate, and a purple belt in BJJ.
On December 07 2014 11:55 Daut wrote:
Pettis is unbelievable. Before the fight i thought there was probably value in melenedez, but the entire time I watched I had this feeling that there was no way he wouldnt catch gilbert with something at some point. He's a great fighter moving backwards, but maybe the best of all time moving forwards. The windows of opportunity he takes advantage of are so small. It's like he combines the best aspects of Anderson, Aldo and Jones: anderson's reflexes, aldo's takedown defense and quick finishing ability and jones creativity and problem solving ability. yet somehow he is still beatable: wouldnt be at all surprised to see khabib blanket him. The vulnerability combined with the incredible finishes makes his popularity ceiling closer to anderson silva level than jones/aldo who basically seem unbeatable.
every time he fights i ask myself 2 questions: will he lose this one or will he do something incredible? very different than other fighters and makes me want to watch his fights more than anyone.
On December 07 2014 11:55 Daut wrote:
Pettis is unbelievable. Before the fight i thought there was probably value in melenedez, but the entire time I watched I had this feeling that there was no way he wouldnt catch gilbert with something at some point. He's a great fighter moving backwards, but maybe the best of all time moving forwards. The windows of opportunity he takes advantage of are so small. It's like he combines the best aspects of Anderson, Aldo and Jones: anderson's reflexes, aldo's takedown defense and quick finishing ability and jones creativity and problem solving ability. yet somehow he is still beatable: wouldnt be at all surprised to see khabib blanket him. The vulnerability combined with the incredible finishes makes his popularity ceiling closer to anderson silva level than jones/aldo who basically seem unbeatable.
every time he fights i ask myself 2 questions: will he lose this one or will he do something incredible? very different than other fighters and makes me want to watch his fights more than anyone.
You may as well have been writing about Fedor.
ha, you couldnt be more right. didnt realize it while typing it, but everything i said about pettis is true about fedor. what a hero
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Minsk United States. Dec 08 2014 00:00. Posts 1558
It's true about Pettis. I thought he was a flash in the pan, but hes a monster.
Pettis has the most dangerous feet I've ever seen in a combat sport.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 08 2014 00:49. Posts 7499
We really need to see Pettis vs Aldo. Would be one of my most anticipated fights of all time. Two of the best strikers and overall fighters in the sport.
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LOL combat sports and its rigged judges... I wonder how much money that Judge pocketed with this robbery.
Lawler fought like crap I mean... even Rogan was especulating an injury, he did nothing for 4 rounds and only active in half 1st and last rounds what in the fuck, luckily this time he punished the body hard but he still got his legs destroyed by leg kicks... he didnt check a single fucking leg kick.
If this version of Lawlers fights with McDonald he is going to lose, Rory isnt stupid enough to try to jab him again and will probably try to exploit his very clear weak defense against leg kicks
Lawler is so awesome going forward and even good in countering but man he has a low fight IQ some of the time. early 1st and late 5th round he looked like a monster. SUPER intense even after the bell and you could feel his anger/energy in the air. He was simply overpowering Hendricks in these bursts of power. Then in between he basically was going into zombie mode. Defending vs attacks, half assed attacks himself, always scared of the takedowns. If Robbie would just get out of range when he is passive and get in range when hyper aggressive, he would be so much better overall. If he is in range and not attacking himself, he basically just takes punishment and waits for more
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soberstone United States. Dec 08 2014 12:07. Posts 2662
On December 07 2014 23:49 Stim_Abuser wrote:
We really need to see Pettis vs Aldo. Would be one of my most anticipated fights of all time. Two of the best strikers and overall fighters in the sport.
Pettis would absolutely starch Aldo, would love to see it though. Aldo needs to fight McGregor, meanwhile Pettis v Khabib, and if both win, you make the fight.
I know as hardcores we want to see it now, but McGregor would make Aldo a much bigger star and Pettis becomes a bigger star everytime he fights, he just needs to stay healthy. Unfortunately, the Khabib fight is the one fight I could I actually see him losing, but hopefully he'd land something huge because Khabib - as much as I love him - is a nightmare champion for the UFC.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 08 2014 14:02. Posts 7499
On December 08 2014 09:33 FiSheYe wrote:
Lawler is so awesome going forward and even good in countering but man he has a low fight IQ some of the time. early 1st and late 5th round he looked like a monster. SUPER intense even after the bell and you could feel his anger/energy in the air. He was simply overpowering Hendricks in these bursts of power. Then in between he basically was going into zombie mode. Defending vs attacks, half assed attacks himself, always scared of the takedowns. If Robbie would just get out of range when he is passive and get in range when hyper aggressive, he would be so much better overall. If he is in range and not attacking himself, he basically just takes punishment and waits for more
Yea Lawler seems to just randomly coast and look like he's not trying to do anything. He did it a lot in strikeforce, and seemed to do it in the first two rounds of the first Hendricks fight. Both him and Hendricks have poor fight IQ. Hendricks was doing great on the feet, and for some reason decided to start stalling with takedowns. Also he threw 1 single ground strike the entire fight. Also when Hendricks lost the GSP fight he said he took the 5th round off because he thought he was ahead. Said he'd never do that again. What'd he do in this fight? Took the 5th round off because he thought he was ahead lol.
Also Hendricks ballooning up between fight camps. Dude was apparently 215 pounds when he started this camp lmao. That's bigger than Chris Weidman. There were lots of rumors that he looked like death cutting weight. And it's not even because he's huge, he just gets fat. Dude needs to get his diet under control.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Dec 08 2014 16:35. Posts 7292
Really wanna see Aldo vs Pettis now imo
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JonnyCosMo United States. Dec 08 2014 16:36. Posts 7292
Khabib will prolly beat Pettis, UFC should know this and avoid that match-up at all costs. Khabib is like GSP 2.0
Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 23m 23 minutes ago
Schaub won’t admit to himself that he could never beat Travis Browne on any night, ever. “If I get a second round, it’s on”. GTFO.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 21m 21 minutes ago
Not a fan of Rogan, but he is dishing real shit on Schaub right now. “You looked stiff, you didn’t look like an elite fighter”.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 20m 20 minutes ago
“I worry about your commitment to fighting and where you stand. You have one foot out the door. A very dangerous space to be” Ha! Damn.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 17m 17 minutes ago
“You are a smart dude. You know about concussions you have had. The reality is, I don’t see you beating elite guys. You have no fluidity”
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 17m 17 minutes ago
“There is shit other people can do that you can’t do” Schaub just sits there dumb-founded, says to Rogan: “Not sure I agree”. Ha! Funny shit
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 13m 13 minutes ago
Schaub tells Rogan he can wrestle Cain, “you would be surprised” Rogan: “I think you would be surprised. Cain would fuck you up” Hahahaha!
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 14m 14 minutes ago
Schaub says “I beat Crop-Cop”. Rogan dismisses it. “Are you comfortable getting knocked out 3-4 times in the next few years” Good shit!
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 13m 13 minutes ago
Rogan: “This is just reality. I know this is hard to hear”. Schaub looks near tears. Musters up “You are my boy Joe, but I don’t agree”.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 11m 11 minutes ago
Rogan to Schaub: “You telegraph too much. It is real obvious what you are going to do. You are predictable. Arlovski was a terrible fight”.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 12m 12 minutes ago
You can tell Schaub was not expecting this. Near tears, and trying to figure out what to say to Rogan.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 10m 10 minutes ago
“When I look at the performances, you are not an elite fighter. I know what I am seeing. You are not recognizing.” Schaub listening quietly.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 9m 9 minutes ago
“You are not fighting at that level. You are going to get fucking hit man. I worry. You leave more openings, you have vulnerabilities.”
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 9m 9 minutes ago
Schaub is either going to instantly retire after this interview, or never speak to Joe Rogan again. Rogan spitting mad truth at him.
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 5m 5 minutes ago
“15 minutes with an elite fighter. You can’t do that. Your brain doesn’t get better from punches. Werdum, Cain is another level than you.”
Fight_Ghost @Fight_Ghost · 21s 22 seconds ago
Schaub silent for almost 5 minutes. Just listening. Finally speaking a bit now about GSP and concussions. Schaub seems a broken man.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 08 2014 19:58. Posts 13047
I'll try and listen to the podcast on Thursday or so, don't have time atm.
Anyway, Schaub did look stiff against Browne. He has more tools than Browne, but if he isn't going to use them correctly, then he won't ever beat a fighter like Browne. I also agree that Schaub does have one foot out the door, as he seems comfortable being in the MMA scene instead of eventually fighting for a title. That being said, Browne didn't look any different or amazing against Schaub, so I will continue to doubt his skills.
On December 08 2014 15:36 JonnyCosMo wrote:
Khabib will prolly beat Pettis, UFC should know this and avoid that match-up at all costs. Khabib is like GSP 2.0
Problem is Pettis is too unorthodox, he ll crush you standing, he ll crush you on the ground on his back. Only a guy that can outstrike him can beat him and that wouldn't be too easy either. His last 2 fights were vs very decent wrestlers and he submitted them... You give him an opening for 1sec and he ll take it and finish the match. Melendez could've probably won if he just kept the fight on feet and pushed him as well as he did. Pettis showed his main weakness, he s kind of bad vs mega offensive fighter, I'd say someone like McGregor will crush him for example
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 08 2014 21:01. Posts 13047
On December 08 2014 15:36 JonnyCosMo wrote:
Khabib will prolly beat Pettis, UFC should know this and avoid that match-up at all costs. Khabib is like GSP 2.0
Problem is Pettis is too unorthodox, he ll crush you standing, he ll crush you on the ground on his back. Only a guy that can outstrike him can beat him and that wouldn't be too easy either. His last 2 fights were vs very decent wrestlers and he submitted them... You give him an opening for 1sec and he ll take it and finish the match.
Melendez could've probably won if he just kept the fight on feet and pushed him as well as he did.
Pettis showed his main weakness, he s kind of bad vs mega offensive fighter, I'd say someone like McGregor will crush him for example.
Melendez did keep it on the feet for the most part, but Pettis hit him with a quick punch that hurt him, which made Melendez shoot for a take down and then we saw Pettis jump for a guillotine. That being said, thinking Melendez could've won if he kept it on the feet seems less likely, especially since Pettis jumps on an opponent whenever he senses weakness.
Conor McGregor is known as a top notch counter striker; he capitalizes on his opponents mistakes. For example, he TKO`ed Marcus Brimage via counter punching when he saw Brimage throwing the same punches over and over, which were mostly power punches. He did something similar against Diego Brandao, except Brandao didn't have much energy left after his big flurry in the first round and was a sitting duck after he gave everything he had. The fight versus Dustin Poirier ended fast with a shot that grazed the back of Poirier's head iirc, which stunned him and lead to GnP. His fight versus Holloway was competitive, but McGregor tore his ACL during that fight, so we didn't see him fight as good as usual and had to resort to getting a take down to secure the decision victory. Conor has never fought a fighter remotely close to Pettis's level.
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soberstone United States. Dec 08 2014 22:09. Posts 2662
On December 08 2014 15:36 JonnyCosMo wrote:
Khabib will prolly beat Pettis, UFC should know this and avoid that match-up at all costs. Khabib is like GSP 2.0
Problem is Pettis is too unorthodox, he ll crush you standing, he ll crush you on the ground on his back. Only a guy that can outstrike him can beat him and that wouldn't be too easy either. His last 2 fights were vs very decent wrestlers and he submitted them... You give him an opening for 1sec and he ll take it and finish the match. Melendez could've probably won if he just kept the fight on feet and pushed him as well as he did. Pettis showed his main weakness, he s kind of bad vs mega offensive fighter, I'd say someone like McGregor will crush him for example
To keep the pace up that was giving Melendez success in the 1st round without getting caught by a beautiful counter is improbable for any fighter except MAYBE Khabib, which is why most people who know a thing or two are only really giving him a chance. To say that McGregor would crush him is a hilarious statement. I'd love to see the fight, don't get me wrong, and I don't think the McGregor hype is gonna be easily de-railed (I'm aboard the train) - but to say a pure striker like McGregor would crush the best striker in all of MMA is just a downright stretch, if not blasphemous statement. If you think he's gonna land cartwheel kicks or get Pettis to stand inside of kicking distance and just pure box with him, you're simply wrong. Pettis is MUCH more technically sound, kicks much harder, has proven cardio, and almost any other measurable I would give him the major edge in besides maybe punching power which is very lower on the list of important things in a fight like that.
All that said, I think the dream scenario for the UFC is for McGregor to meet the highest expectations and make a super-fight with Pettis. If McGregor beats Aldo he will already be a mega star, and with a couple more wins Pettis would as well, and don't get me wrong, I know this is all a lot of ifs, but if promoted correctly and all of the previous things were to happen, that's a fight that could break a million buys easy after all the hype and trash talk that would inevitably occur.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 09 2014 02:26. Posts 13047
On December 08 2014 18:13 Daut wrote:
schaub is on rogan's podcast today and getting reamed.
Can't wait to see this on video. The audio sounds harsh, but it was something Schaub needed to hear.
Looks like someone uploaded the video already. The usual guy didn't upload it yet.
painful to watch and listen to for sure. but god damnit Schaub really needs to ditch his shitty camp and stop hanging with callen talking about cocks and male asses all the time
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 09 2014 14:35. Posts 7499
I'm fine with Joe being honest with Schaub, but he did it with poor tact as he usually does. Was overly aggressive. Not to mention doing it on a live podcast was incredibly inappropriate.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 09 2014 14:49. Posts 13047
Here's the official video from the UFC on FOX YouTube page.
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After watching the entire 2-hour show, I'm okay with Rogan saying what he said, and how he said it. Schaub asked Rogan for critique, and the video is from Fighter and the Kid, which is Schaub and Callen's show, not Rogan's podcast.
What Rogan said was kind of too one sided imho. As a former fighter and commentator he must know what kind of truth a fighter can handle and cannot handle. I think Schaub can take it to heart but if Rogan would have voiced it differently it would have been more effective. Nonetheless if you look at what he said it was just plain and brutally honest. I believe I can spot a great poker player or starcraft gamer when I watch them play. Like up and coming talents, their thought patterns, how well they adopt etc.
Like I remember back in the day I played Gamei vs IloveOOv when he was playing Zerg and was completely unknown. But right then and there I know the kid was special. I have that stuff very rarely ever, its an instinct. With Pettis I had that in WEC, with Weidman I had that first time I saw him. With Jones I had that the first fight I saw him fight. With Cain I had it when I saw him fight Cheick Kongo.
With Schaub I never had that and will never have it. The reason is he is a Jack of all trades but a master of none.
Good stand up, but not elite. Decent wrestling but maybe middle of the field. Good submissions but that seems the least important in heavyweights and defending is easier than submission. Schaub has a lot of tools and he is athletic for the devision. However he is not the most athletic, nor is he the hardest working. He is surrounded by good friends and yes-men and he seems not to have the same chip on his shoulder he maybe once had. Being financially stable and doing business on the side can be deadly to a fighters career sometimes.
Schaub seems to freeze up in fights, not enough fluidity and not much improvement. He has hit his prime and is on an escalator downwards it seems, maybe Rogan wakes him up and he wants to proof that he is a top tier heavyweight. I mean he came from TUF and is now a known fighter that makes good money. Probs to him, for me he was never top5 material and probably never will be. Saw him fight Gonzaga yesterday and his physic looked better than today. He was quicker and moved better, didn't hesitate as much and was not loading up as much.
Some people improve drastically (Pettis, Weidman, Jones, etc.) and some people are great fighters but not world class and they are not going anywhere. Like a Big Country Nelson, Mark Hunt,Bisping or even young fighters like a Schaub. They all improved parts of their game but they just didn't have the overall commitment, talent and fight IQ to get there and the world elite fighters just have a much higher ceiling and improve at a more drastic rate.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 10 2014 23:49. Posts 13047
On December 09 2014 13:49 PuertoRican wrote:
Here's the official video from the UFC on FOX YouTube page.
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After watching the entire 2-hour show, I'm okay with Rogan saying what he said, and how he said it. Schaub asked Rogan for critique, and the video is from Fighter and the Kid, which is Schaub and Callen's show, not Rogan's podcast.
This is a separate video on the subject. It's basically Callen and Schaub responding to Joe Rogan's criticism.
Actually kind of sick that with Brendan's income streams and recent defeat, he does not consider that he could make more money with less drama retiring. I mean brain injuries will become more frequent when he gets slower over the years and if he drops to 205 it might be worse due to the weight cut. I can completely understand why friends are telling him to stop, there is not much to be gained but a lot to be lost. On the other hand he is just a true fighter that wants to compete and that is more important than health or money. Unfortunately Brendan will never be king unless something super drastically changes and he would miraculously change all his flaws. Hope he doesn't stick around for too long
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