UFC 172: Jones vs. Teixeira - Page 2

Also the odds on Fili v Holloway aren't out yet, but Fili should be a favorite - I've changed my mind and I love Holloway but if the line is close, I'm betting Fili. The UFC knows they are pitting two prospects against each other which they rarely do and I think their plan is to let Holloway go be a star in Bellator eventually because he's not championship material and they already know that. It's not that it's rigged or anything, but Joe Silva, Sean Shelby etc. know what they are doing and I think this Fili kid is realllllllllly good. Just re-watched his last fight that he took on 2 weeks notice and man he was impressive. Holloway is a really solid striker and is always exciting and good, but Fili will have the size, wrestling, grappling and power punching advantage (plus he may be just as good of a striker), which wins decisions much more than technical striking.

On April 21 2014 23:40 Stim_Abuser wrote: Did you see what Glover did to Rampage? Also Glover has one thing that no one Jones has faced yet, which is relentless pressure. Well I guess you could say Chael had that but is a one dimensional MW. Jones is obv a big favorite but I'm pretty interested in the match up. Glover is better than most people think he is. His wrestling, BJJ, and cardio are all really good on top of his good boxing.

He did nothing amazing, it was a fun fight because instead of playing it safe Texeira gave him a proper UFC goodbye by fighting with him in the pocket and still beat him, but it was an old and slow rampage and he still connected a lot of punches.

Texeira striking is good but it doesnt match well against Jones, you need somebody who can at will get in Jones range and Texeira has good head movement but is very stationary on his feet and this kind of fighters are the ones who are forced to either stay on the outside being brutalized by Jones or rush in and opening themselves for takedowns, I think this fight will be somewhat alike than the Rampage one but obviously Texeira doing better in general.

LOL that tripple jab straigh right combo, Ive always thought Werdum sucked but he has shown massive improvement in his striking, he used to be like Minotauro, shitty boxing with minimal tools and always tentative, tight and slow now he seems way more loose and confident he throws fluid combinations even with kicks. His head movement is improving a little but still needs more work and he is flat footed so he arm punches all the time, thats why he has no power but his style is kind of developing slowly into a heavy weight Nick Diaz

Cain just can not lose to Werdum.
As we already saw the only way to lose is to get caught in the first minutes of the fight by a serious striker.
But the fights in the LHW devision that are still to come are sick.I personally would like to see Jones - Gustaffson 2 and Glover-DC for the number one contender spot,but i guess the UFC does not want to lose any contenders so 3 big fights bring more money than 2 big fights.
And because DC can fight Jones somewhere like the beginning of 2015 i think they should match him with Phil Davis if he wins.
I think Texeira has his chances but i think the cardio will be the big factor(Glover is an old man) and Jon will win 3-2 or 4-1 rounds.
But this is the best division by far in the UFC and the fights can go crazy if Jon loses to someone.But i doubt it.

Hmm Cain can def. lose to Werdum, same way a Chael Sonnen lost his first fight to Anderson Silva or a Fedor lost to Werdum.
Is Cain a huge fav. ? Yes for sure but Werdum has very improved striking (I was amazed) and he is one of the very few that is dangerous when he is put on his back. Dos Santos, Lesnar and many other fighters Cain faced basically are no threat on their backs, Werdum actually doesn't mind being there.
Maybe Cain doesn't take him down too much and just outstrikes him, but to say Werdum has no chance is way over board imho.

Also Light Heavyweight is WEAK compared to other devisions, 155, 170 is far more competitive than light heavyweight and I agree that Glover Texeira is prob. not gonna win vs Jones (I hope he does, would be so much more fun for the devision). The real fight is and will be Jones vs Gustafson tho

155 and 170 are the divisions that will always be the most stacked because of the obvious reason that for every 200lb fighter there are 10 fighters that are around 160lb.
I am watching all the fights and i am definitely most excited for the LHW fights.
At 170 i want to see Nick Diaz-Woodley,Gunnar-Rory,Kim-Lombard.Also i like Johny and would like to see him fight anyone but Rory because it will be the most boring fight ever(and Rory will win which is even worse).
At 155 i want to see the man who wrestles bears vs the champ.Besides this not so interested.
Werdum will not be able to take the GNP that Cain will offer.His chin is not so good too.Can't really see a way to win other than some wild overhand right or a high kick in the firs minute of the fight.
As i have said before BJJ guys gets smashed by wrestlers 90% of the time.And something else one thing is to submit someone who is laying on top of you and completely different thing to submit someone while getting hit in the face-just not going to happen!And i think UFC has to do somthing for the Heavyweight division because it is getting boring.Recruit new guys at all cost because there are not so many good math ups at this time.

im amazed people think cornier has a gutshot vs jones. the guy's a midget vs jones and all his tools jones is way better. dc would wreck at middleweight but vs jones itll be a one sided match.

On April 23 2014 10:39 whamm! wrote: im amazed people think cornier has a gutshot vs jones. the guy's a midget vs jones and all his tools jones is way better. dc would wreck at middleweight but vs jones itll be a one sided match.

Don't agree at all - if DC can close the distance and make it a dirty boxing / wrestling sort of fight, he has the advantage. He's stronger and has better boxing and wrestling in the clinch. If Jones keeps the distance and takes it into deep waters that way, he has the advantage. It's a pretty classic case of whoever imposes their style wins.

On April 23 2014 04:59 FiSheYe wrote: Hmm Cain can def. lose to Werdum, same way a Chael Sonnen lost his first fight to Anderson Silva or a Fedor lost to Werdum. Is Cain a huge fav. ? Yes for sure but Werdum has very improved striking (I was amazed) and he is one of the very few that is dangerous when he is put on his back. Dos Santos, Lesnar and many other fighters Cain faced basically are no threat on their backs, Werdum actually doesn't mind being there. Maybe Cain doesn't take him down too much and just outstrikes him, but to say Werdum has no chance is way over board imho. Also Light Heavyweight is WEAK compared to other devisions, 155, 170 is far more competitive than light heavyweight and I agree that Glover Texeira is prob. not gonna win vs Jones (I hope he does, would be so much more fun for the devision). The real fight is and will be Jones vs Gustafson tho

Also Werdum should have a solid chin advantage in this fight. Cain's chin is pretty good but it's not Travis Browne/Nelson good. And Werdum is GREAT at avoiding damage on the feet and especially on the ground. I remember reading an interview with some guys who train with Werdum who say it's almost impossible to GnP him because he constantly controls you and shifts your weight around etc.

Cain's a big favorite but I'm very excited for the fight which I'm surprised at. I figured Cain would have nothing but squash matches from this point forward and HW would suck.

cain vs werdum will likely be one of those one sided yet somewhat competitive 50-45 fights. cain wont blow him out or finish super often but wins every round by a sizable enough edge to make it not close. i think werdum keeps it interesting often but wins almost never

Hmm once again I disagree gryzzlybear!
Werdum fought 24 fights and lost 6, 1 KO (which was against Junior Dos Santos who was considered a huge underdog back then).
That loss was 6 years ago and Werdum has shown no signs of a weak chin, if anything he seems to move more fluent with better combinations and he took some heavy/good blows against Browne. Cain is a monster but your arguments are not based on facts.

Totally agree with Stim_Abuser and unfortunately with Daut, too.
I think Cain will win almost always by winning points in the stand up, then taking Werdum down and avoiding a submission while damaging him.
The longer the fight goes on the weaker Werdums strike will get and in case he fights like vs Overeem he might gas in the 3rd round++ and then Cain might just kill him. I think to a certain degree Overeem had the right game plan and Cain will likely use it as his blueprint. Get Werdum down, kick his legs, try to get an angle.. let him stand up. Do it a few times and he will get slower, the part that I am excited about is, how good could Werdums standup be compared to Cains. I mean Cain is so overwhelming because he tires ppl down and doesn't slow down himself. Most of that edge comes from taking ppl down then GnP and by the time they get up, the gas tank is emptier and their strikes are less harmful. If Werdum can avoid the damage and get a dangerous guard on Cain, maybe he is not able to inflict enough damage and in will be more competitive than we think.
The major problem is that Werdum cannot take him down like a Lesnar, if Werdum would have better wrestling and could take Cain down, I would be so much more excited. Imagine a Werdum with the take down ability of a Cain, Lesnar, etc. that would be so scary to have a world class BJJ player mounting you at will.

Now that I think about it, how scary is Weidman in a few years? I mean he has Top3 Wrestling in all of MMA, super good BJJ and natural while improving striking that knocked out Anderson (0 Kos before), Munoz (1 KO before), Uriah Hall (0 KO before)... Plus he has this aura, I dunno why but before the Anderson Silva fight I said he will win against him and maybe even by knock out. Something is different about him and unless he gets tired of competing or some injury I could see him becoming P4P No.1 some day. The sky is the limit for this dude and he is only 29. When I watched him vs Silva it felt like perfection, he is on a Level like Jones is in his fights up to the one against Gustafson, I just really appreciate to see this level of skill.
Maybe Jones vs Weidman is the real superfight of the future

Weidmans scary right now.

I got him #3 p4p behind Jones and Aldo.

The thing that's special about him is just the talent. What he was able to accomplish in BJJ after like 9 months of training was absolutely incredible. And how good he's become at striking already is absolutely incredible.

Only question is his gas tank. If he can keep up a good pace for 5 rounds then he's gonna be ridiculous.

Fun fact. Weidman called Dana and offered to step in against Jon Jones at UFC 151. This was after the Munoz fight and he was most likely next in line to get a title shot which is what ended up happening. So I think the superfight vs Jones is more likely than most of these other superfights.

All in on benavidez, Davis and jones on a multi without watching the weigh in

i personally think barao is #1 p4p. as in if somehow everyone was the same size, hes the guy i bet on at even money. the dude is more dangerous and well rounded than everyone else.

but really the top 7 p4p are so insanely good and close (cain, jones, weidman, aldo, mendes, barao, mighty mouse) its really hard to rank them. chad mendes most underrated guy in the sport. hes basically a 145 pound weidman yet gets forgotten because of his 1 loss which is one of the most amazing KOs ive ever seen.

Weidman is really good but I can't see him even beating jones. Imo jones is better than weidman at almost everything.

On April 23 2014 17:31 jvilla777 wrote: Weidman is really good but I can't see him even beating jones. Imo jones is better than weidman at almost everything.

this is basically the equivalent of saying "aldo is really good, but i cant see him beating GSP"

jones has 30 pounds on weidman. a VERY large LHW vs a pretty average sized MW. the size difference is incredible.

Tru, if they were to make a super fight between weidman n jones tho it would be at a catch weight no? Or one has to give up some edge just to make the fight happen?