UFC 172: Jones vs. Teixeira

Date: Saturday, April 26th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:30 LP.net / 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card Time (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (PPV)

Jon Jones (19-1) vs. Glover Teixeira (22-2) (Light Heavyweight Championship)
Phil Davis (12-1) vs. Anthony Johnson (16-4) (Light Heavyweight)
Luke Rockhold (11-2) vs. Tim Boetsch (17-6) (Middleweight)
Jim Miller (23-4) vs. Yancy Medeiros (9-1) (Lightweight)
Max Holloway (8-3) vs. Andre Fili (13-1) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Joseph Benavidez (19-4) vs. Tim Elliott (10-4-1) (Flyweight)
Takanori Gomi (34-9) vs. Isaac Vallie-Flagg (14-4-1) (Lightweight)
Jessamyn Duke (3-0) vs. Bethe Correia (7-0) (Women's Bantamweight)
Danny Castillo (16-6) vs. Charlie Brenneman (19-6) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Chris Beal (8-0) vs. Patrick Williams (7-3) (Bantamweight)

Other

- Danny Castillo was expected to face Isaac Vallie-Flagg at this event. However, Castillo was replaced by Takanori Gomi and will now fight Charlie Brenneman.
- Tarec Saffiedine was originally scheduled to face Jake Ellenberger in a welterweight bout, but withdrew due to a back injury. As a result, Ellenberger was removed from the card and will now face Robbie Lawler at UFC 173.
- Just one week before the event, Bobby Green suffered an injury and was forced out of the card. Yancy Medeiros, who was supposed to fight Joe Ellenberger, stepped in to face Green's original opponent Jim Miller. Ellenberger is now expected to face returning veteran Vagner Rocha on 1 week notice.
- Vagner Rocha got injured 3 days before the event. No replacement fighter was found, so Joe Ellenberger will not make his UFC debut on this card.

First thoughts:

• Jones > Teixeira
• Davis vs. Johnson (dunno yet)
• Rockhold > Boetsch
• Miller > Madeiros (Madeiros is scrappy, I could see it going the distance with Miller having to work)
• Holloway vs. Fili (dunno yet, leaning Holloway)
• Benavidez > Elliott
• Gomi > Flagg
• Duke > Correira
• Rocha vs. Ellenberger (dunno yet)
• Castillo > Brenneman
• Beal > Williams

Betting aside, if every fight were a pickem, I'd pick

Jones > Tex
Davis > Johnson
Rockhold > Boetsch
Miller > Madeiros
Fili > Holloway*
Benavidez > Elliot
Gomi > Flagg*
No clue on Duke v Correira
No clue on Rocha v Ellenberger
Castillo > Brenneman*
No clue on Beal v Williams

* I will very likely be betting Flagg if he is a big enough dog, I'm not very impressed with Gomi lately and the guy who beat Flagg's ass in his last fight - Elias Silverio - is a great prospect but very few people know who he is which should help make the odds even more juicy for Flagg. I'm thinking if Flagg is +300 or better I'll lay a bet on him
* I am def betting Castillo if the odds stay where they are, I think he should be a bigger favorite than -250
* In Fili v Holloway If either guy is +140 or better I'd bet them in this fight, it's almost a pickem in my head but Fili is more explosive

Oh yah and this isn't a very good card considering Jones, the P4P best fighter in the world, is headlining. Disappointing but I'll watch because I'm nerdy like that.

On April 20 2014 22:46 soberstone wrote: Oh yah and this isn't a very good card considering Jones, the P4P best fighter in the world, is headlining. Disappointing but I'll watch because I'm nerdy like that.

Yeah, they usually have Jones as the headliner and the rest of the card is weak, which is why the UFC had to cancel one of their PPV's a year ago or so, when Jones was injured or something.

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all in on jones with this one

It's actually a good card in my eyes


• Jones > Teixeira
Teixeira didn't look good in his last fight and even if I would have seen Jones as a big fav.
I really hope Texeira has more to offer, if he wins that would be awesome for light heavyweight

• Davis vs. Johnson (dunno yet)
Davis and Johnson improved a shitload, Johnsons stand up is way way more dangerous than Davis.
I am hoping for an upset here and that Johnson wins by TKO or decision (but thats mainly because I like Johnsons fighting style).
If Davis wins its almost always by decision and maybe submission. Dunno what the lines are but Davis should be a decent fav.

• Rockhold > Boetsch
Not a Boetsch fan nor believer. I think Rockhold is a way better fighter and with the right game plan should be able to win this

• Miller > Madeiros
Miller usually finds a way to win

• Holloway > Fili
based on little information about Fili

• Benavidez > Elliott
Not gonna bet against Benavidez unless it is a Top3 opponent

• Gomi > Flagg, //• Duke > Correira//• Beal > Williams
No clue tbh, nor do I care

• Rocha < Ellenberger
Ellenberger, but not enough information

• Castillo > Brenneman
Brenneman is almost only wrestlefucking and Castillo has serious hands and an overall mature game. Not a Brenneman fan and wouldn't mind if he gets cut by the UFC

isnt there a proper promo w music

also after losing GSP and Silva I dont think the UFC can afford to lose Jones :D

On April 21 2014 05:39 FiSheYe wrote: • Rocha < Ellenberger Ellenberger should have this unless he has a bad game plan or goes all berserk the first round doesn't KO Rocha and then gasses and loses the 2nd and 3rd

It's Joe Ellenberger, not Jake Ellenberger. They're twins, but Joe fights at Lightweight. Joe doesn't have the same cardio issues as Jake.

Jones won't lose for a very long time... if ever...

On April 21 2014 11:30 JonnyCosMo wrote: Jones won't lose for a very long time... if ever...

Did you watch the match with Gustaffson ?

Hey PuertoRican, thx should have looked closer into it, thx for correcting me

On April 21 2014 11:30 JonnyCosMo wrote: Jones won't lose for a very long time... if ever...

I agree with you about for a long time, but much less so after the Gus fight. That was a war that could have gone either way. Even if you scored it for Jones (which I did the last time I watched it) - no1 could have been surprised if they gave it to Gus considering real robberies occur all the time. Nonetheless, I think that was the perfect fight to push Jones to a level that is practically untouchable because he actually figured out he's not perfect and maybe stopped buying his own hype. The real shame is that him vs Cormier is pretty much a super-fight in my eyes but it probably won't even be one of their biggest cards. Jones is a terrible draw for how good he is because his personality is just totally vanilla most of the time and he says dumb hypocritical shit. Even that doesn't explain why the P4P best fighter on the planet isn't a big draw though, it's really weird and really bad for the UFC.

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Countdown to UFC 172 videos: Jones/Teixeira, Davis/Johnson, Rockhold/Boetsch

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Miller - Was supposed to fight Bobby Green
Medeiros - Was supposed to fight Joe Ellenberger
Benavidez - returning from KO loss
Gomi - ring rust 419 days
Ellenberger - returning from red blood cell disease, ring rust 497 days
Rocha - Short notice in for Yancy Medeiros (less than 1 week)
Brenneman - returning from TKO loss
Beal - UFC debut
Williams - UFC debut

Jones is a bad match up for Texeira, he is kind of an improved and bigger rampage (maybe less explosive too), they arent very good at managing range, their striking excels in the pocket with head movement and tight technical punches and that kinf of striker will have a lot of trouble getting in range to punch Jones, they dont have a fast jab that reduces distance, they prefer hooks and Gustaffson showed that the leaping jab should be the bread and butter for anyone fighting Jones.

That is without taking into account takedowns, I think Gustaffsons TD defense kind of made us forget just how good Jones wrestling is, Texeira might not be able to stop it. That being said Texeira is big and has monkey arms theres always a good chance he can sneak a powerful hook, but every time Ive said that about other dangerous striker like Belfort Jones made them seem like they were drawing dead.

Did you see what Glover did to Rampage?

Also Glover has one thing that no one Jones has faced yet, which is relentless pressure. Well I guess you could say Chael had that but is a one dimensional MW.

Jones is obv a big favorite but I'm pretty interested in the match up. Glover is better than most people think he is. His wrestling, BJJ, and cardio are all really good on top of his good boxing.

On April 21 2014 23:40 Stim_Abuser wrote: Did you see what Glover did to Rampage? Also Glover has one thing that no one Jones has faced yet, which is relentless pressure. Well I guess you could say Chael had that but is a one dimensional MW. Jones is obv a big favorite but I'm pretty interested in the match up. Glover is better than most people think he is. His wrestling, BJJ, and cardio are all really good on top of his good boxing.

Just like the Gustafsson fight, I'm not sure how to bet this one. My only lean was o2.5 rounds, but that isn't available this time, only the o3.5 rounds. Jones doesn't hit super hard like other guys Tex has faced before, so the only thing I'm worried about is Jones landing a spinning elbow, which I think will land on Tex at some point since he doesn't move as fast as other guys at 205. Jones could get a take down, but I think Tex' BJJ and scrambling will be good enough to not get opened up by those vicious elbows that Jones can land via GnP.

I kinda agree with Baal, in that Tex does seem similar to Rampage. Anyway, I'm not going to even bother capping this fight or thinking about it at all until Saturday, as I have a busy school week. I'll probably just do what I did with the Werdum/Browne fight and lay $5 to $10 on Teixeira at +400 or better, and then live bet the fight from there (if it goes that long).

The fights I'm most interested in are Davis/Johnson, Holloyway/Fili, and Gomi/Flagg. The latter will be a slug fest for 3 rounds.

I am betting a parlay on Jones + Benavides and a bet on Anthony Johnson at +180. I may bet on Gomi and Max too, but dont know the odds yet.

Boetch is at +557, firstly I thought on betting on him but the more I think in thist fight the more I think I shouldnt bet on this one. Rockhold will beat Tim easily IMO, but the odds are really sad.

On April 22 2014 13:35 alejandicto wrote: I am betting a parlay on Jones + Benavides and a bet on Anthony Johnson at +180. I may bet on Gomi and Max too, but dont know the odds yet. Boetch is at +557, firstly I thought on betting on him but the more I think in thist fight the more I think I shouldnt bet on this one. Rockhold will beat Tim easily IMO, but the odds are really sad.

I told myself that I wouldn't touch Boetsch unless he was at least +900. There's no one area that he's better than Rockhold in. Boetsch shouldn't have taken this fight, it's so weird.

On April 22 2014 13:35 alejandicto wrote: I am betting a parlay on Jones + Benavides and a bet on Anthony Johnson at +180. I may bet on Gomi and Max too, but dont know the odds yet. Boetch is at +557, firstly I thought on betting on him but the more I think in thist fight the more I think I shouldnt bet on this one. Rockhold will beat Tim easily IMO, but the odds are really sad.

The more I think about it the more Jones is a complete lock. I love your parlay and would be doing a similar one if my betting site had parlays for mma which they don't which blows.

Also, please don't bet Boetsh, the juice is so heavy in those wide lines and he's just gonna lose. It's not like hes a good striker and can catch Rockhold, and there is ZERO chance of him closing the distance and out grappling him for 3 rounds. I think there is actually still value on Rockhold @ -800, I just wouldn't bet a fight like that because mentally I hate risking huge money to make money.

The only thing I'd do different is not bet Johnson because he's going to get grapple-fucked and lose, and I'd just make a separate parlay with Jones, Joe B, and Phil. If that get's you even money, which I think it will, that is a money parlay.

Also the odds on Fili v Holloway aren't out yet, but Fili should be a favorite - I've changed my mind and I love Holloway but if the line is close, I'm betting Fili. The UFC knows they are pitting two prospects against each other which they rarely do and I think their plan is to let Holloway go be a star in Bellator eventually because he's not championship material and they already know that. It's not that it's rigged or anything, but Joe Silva, Sean Shelby etc. know what they are doing and I think this Fili kid is realllllllllly good. Just re-watched his last fight that he took on 2 weeks notice and man he was impressive. Holloway is a really solid striker and is always exciting and good, but Fili will have the size, wrestling, grappling and power punching advantage (plus he may be just as good of a striker), which wins decisions much more than technical striking.

On April 21 2014 23:40 Stim_Abuser wrote: Did you see what Glover did to Rampage? Also Glover has one thing that no one Jones has faced yet, which is relentless pressure. Well I guess you could say Chael had that but is a one dimensional MW. Jones is obv a big favorite but I'm pretty interested in the match up. Glover is better than most people think he is. His wrestling, BJJ, and cardio are all really good on top of his good boxing.

He did nothing amazing, it was a fun fight because instead of playing it safe Texeira gave him a proper UFC goodbye by fighting with him in the pocket and still beat him, but it was an old and slow rampage and he still connected a lot of punches.

Texeira striking is good but it doesnt match well against Jones, you need somebody who can at will get in Jones range and Texeira has good head movement but is very stationary on his feet and this kind of fighters are the ones who are forced to either stay on the outside being brutalized by Jones or rush in and opening themselves for takedowns, I think this fight will be somewhat alike than the Rampage one but obviously Texeira doing better in general.

LOL that tripple jab straigh right combo, Ive always thought Werdum sucked but he has shown massive improvement in his striking, he used to be like Minotauro, shitty boxing with minimal tools and always tentative, tight and slow now he seems way more loose and confident he throws fluid combinations even with kicks. His head movement is improving a little but still needs more work and he is flat footed so he arm punches all the time, thats why he has no power but his style is kind of developing slowly into a heavy weight Nick Diaz

Cain just can not lose to Werdum.
As we already saw the only way to lose is to get caught in the first minutes of the fight by a serious striker.
But the fights in the LHW devision that are still to come are sick.I personally would like to see Jones - Gustaffson 2 and Glover-DC for the number one contender spot,but i guess the UFC does not want to lose any contenders so 3 big fights bring more money than 2 big fights.
And because DC can fight Jones somewhere like the beginning of 2015 i think they should match him with Phil Davis if he wins.
I think Texeira has his chances but i think the cardio will be the big factor(Glover is an old man) and Jon will win 3-2 or 4-1 rounds.
But this is the best division by far in the UFC and the fights can go crazy if Jon loses to someone.But i doubt it.

Hmm Cain can def. lose to Werdum, same way a Chael Sonnen lost his first fight to Anderson Silva or a Fedor lost to Werdum.
Is Cain a huge fav. ? Yes for sure but Werdum has very improved striking (I was amazed) and he is one of the very few that is dangerous when he is put on his back. Dos Santos, Lesnar and many other fighters Cain faced basically are no threat on their backs, Werdum actually doesn't mind being there.
Maybe Cain doesn't take him down too much and just outstrikes him, but to say Werdum has no chance is way over board imho.

Also Light Heavyweight is WEAK compared to other devisions, 155, 170 is far more competitive than light heavyweight and I agree that Glover Texeira is prob. not gonna win vs Jones (I hope he does, would be so much more fun for the devision). The real fight is and will be Jones vs Gustafson tho

155 and 170 are the divisions that will always be the most stacked because of the obvious reason that for every 200lb fighter there are 10 fighters that are around 160lb.
I am watching all the fights and i am definitely most excited for the LHW fights.
At 170 i want to see Nick Diaz-Woodley,Gunnar-Rory,Kim-Lombard.Also i like Johny and would like to see him fight anyone but Rory because it will be the most boring fight ever(and Rory will win which is even worse).
At 155 i want to see the man who wrestles bears vs the champ.Besides this not so interested.
Werdum will not be able to take the GNP that Cain will offer.His chin is not so good too.Can't really see a way to win other than some wild overhand right or a high kick in the firs minute of the fight.
As i have said before BJJ guys gets smashed by wrestlers 90% of the time.And something else one thing is to submit someone who is laying on top of you and completely different thing to submit someone while getting hit in the face-just not going to happen!And i think UFC has to do somthing for the Heavyweight division because it is getting boring.Recruit new guys at all cost because there are not so many good math ups at this time.

im amazed people think cornier has a gutshot vs jones. the guy's a midget vs jones and all his tools jones is way better. dc would wreck at middleweight but vs jones itll be a one sided match.

On April 23 2014 10:39 whamm! wrote: im amazed people think cornier has a gutshot vs jones. the guy's a midget vs jones and all his tools jones is way better. dc would wreck at middleweight but vs jones itll be a one sided match.

Don't agree at all - if DC can close the distance and make it a dirty boxing / wrestling sort of fight, he has the advantage. He's stronger and has better boxing and wrestling in the clinch. If Jones keeps the distance and takes it into deep waters that way, he has the advantage. It's a pretty classic case of whoever imposes their style wins.

On April 23 2014 04:59 FiSheYe wrote: Hmm Cain can def. lose to Werdum, same way a Chael Sonnen lost his first fight to Anderson Silva or a Fedor lost to Werdum. Is Cain a huge fav. ? Yes for sure but Werdum has very improved striking (I was amazed) and he is one of the very few that is dangerous when he is put on his back. Dos Santos, Lesnar and many other fighters Cain faced basically are no threat on their backs, Werdum actually doesn't mind being there. Maybe Cain doesn't take him down too much and just outstrikes him, but to say Werdum has no chance is way over board imho. Also Light Heavyweight is WEAK compared to other devisions, 155, 170 is far more competitive than light heavyweight and I agree that Glover Texeira is prob. not gonna win vs Jones (I hope he does, would be so much more fun for the devision). The real fight is and will be Jones vs Gustafson tho

Also Werdum should have a solid chin advantage in this fight. Cain's chin is pretty good but it's not Travis Browne/Nelson good. And Werdum is GREAT at avoiding damage on the feet and especially on the ground. I remember reading an interview with some guys who train with Werdum who say it's almost impossible to GnP him because he constantly controls you and shifts your weight around etc.

Cain's a big favorite but I'm very excited for the fight which I'm surprised at. I figured Cain would have nothing but squash matches from this point forward and HW would suck.

cain vs werdum will likely be one of those one sided yet somewhat competitive 50-45 fights. cain wont blow him out or finish super often but wins every round by a sizable enough edge to make it not close. i think werdum keeps it interesting often but wins almost never

Hmm once again I disagree gryzzlybear!
Werdum fought 24 fights and lost 6, 1 KO (which was against Junior Dos Santos who was considered a huge underdog back then).
That loss was 6 years ago and Werdum has shown no signs of a weak chin, if anything he seems to move more fluent with better combinations and he took some heavy/good blows against Browne. Cain is a monster but your arguments are not based on facts.

Totally agree with Stim_Abuser and unfortunately with Daut, too.
I think Cain will win almost always by winning points in the stand up, then taking Werdum down and avoiding a submission while damaging him.
The longer the fight goes on the weaker Werdums strike will get and in case he fights like vs Overeem he might gas in the 3rd round++ and then Cain might just kill him. I think to a certain degree Overeem had the right game plan and Cain will likely use it as his blueprint. Get Werdum down, kick his legs, try to get an angle.. let him stand up. Do it a few times and he will get slower, the part that I am excited about is, how good could Werdums standup be compared to Cains. I mean Cain is so overwhelming because he tires ppl down and doesn't slow down himself. Most of that edge comes from taking ppl down then GnP and by the time they get up, the gas tank is emptier and their strikes are less harmful. If Werdum can avoid the damage and get a dangerous guard on Cain, maybe he is not able to inflict enough damage and in will be more competitive than we think.
The major problem is that Werdum cannot take him down like a Lesnar, if Werdum would have better wrestling and could take Cain down, I would be so much more excited. Imagine a Werdum with the take down ability of a Cain, Lesnar, etc. that would be so scary to have a world class BJJ player mounting you at will.

Now that I think about it, how scary is Weidman in a few years? I mean he has Top3 Wrestling in all of MMA, super good BJJ and natural while improving striking that knocked out Anderson (0 Kos before), Munoz (1 KO before), Uriah Hall (0 KO before)... Plus he has this aura, I dunno why but before the Anderson Silva fight I said he will win against him and maybe even by knock out. Something is different about him and unless he gets tired of competing or some injury I could see him becoming P4P No.1 some day. The sky is the limit for this dude and he is only 29. When I watched him vs Silva it felt like perfection, he is on a Level like Jones is in his fights up to the one against Gustafson, I just really appreciate to see this level of skill.
Maybe Jones vs Weidman is the real superfight of the future

Weidmans scary right now.

I got him #3 p4p behind Jones and Aldo.

The thing that's special about him is just the talent. What he was able to accomplish in BJJ after like 9 months of training was absolutely incredible. And how good he's become at striking already is absolutely incredible.

Only question is his gas tank. If he can keep up a good pace for 5 rounds then he's gonna be ridiculous.

Fun fact. Weidman called Dana and offered to step in against Jon Jones at UFC 151. This was after the Munoz fight and he was most likely next in line to get a title shot which is what ended up happening. So I think the superfight vs Jones is more likely than most of these other superfights.

All in on benavidez, Davis and jones on a multi without watching the weigh in

i personally think barao is #1 p4p. as in if somehow everyone was the same size, hes the guy i bet on at even money. the dude is more dangerous and well rounded than everyone else.

but really the top 7 p4p are so insanely good and close (cain, jones, weidman, aldo, mendes, barao, mighty mouse) its really hard to rank them. chad mendes most underrated guy in the sport. hes basically a 145 pound weidman yet gets forgotten because of his 1 loss which is one of the most amazing KOs ive ever seen.

Weidman is really good but I can't see him even beating jones. Imo jones is better than weidman at almost everything.

On April 23 2014 17:31 jvilla777 wrote: Weidman is really good but I can't see him even beating jones. Imo jones is better than weidman at almost everything.

this is basically the equivalent of saying "aldo is really good, but i cant see him beating GSP"

jones has 30 pounds on weidman. a VERY large LHW vs a pretty average sized MW. the size difference is incredible.

Tru, if they were to make a super fight between weidman n jones tho it would be at a catch weight no? Or one has to give up some edge just to make the fight happen?

im not sure jones can lose much more weight than 205. i feel like it would really be stretching it for him to make even 200.

these fights really arent worth talking about though. the only superfight worth mentioning at this point is barao vs mighty mouse and thats cause both have basically cleared their divisions. jones still has to fight glover, DC, gus, maybe even phil davis or machida again. weidman has machida, vitor, jacare, possibly kennedy or a guy like rashad at some point. so many challenges for both guys that this fight would be 2 years away at best.

Jack Slack article that makes me feel signifincantly less optimistic about Glovers chances

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-glover-teixeira-in-one-punch

Super Fights that I'd like to see:

Mighty Mouse vs. Renan Barao (5'3 with 66 inch reach vs. 5'6 with 70 inch reach)
Renan Barao vs. Jose Aldo (5'6 with 70 inch reach vs. 5'7 with 70 inch reach)
Anthony Pettis vs. Jose Aldo (5'10 with 73 inch reach vs. 5'7 with 70 inch reach)
Chris Weidman vs. Jon Jones (6'2 with 78 inch reach vs. 6'4 with 84.5 inch reach)
GSP vs. E.T.

Johny Hendricks is in that weird spot where he's undersized for Welterweight, and way too short for any weight class above Welterweight. He relies on pure skill and power at Welterweight. Can't really match him up with anyone for a super fight cuz he's way too heavy to meet Pettis at any weight, and way too short and not good enough to go up to 185 to beat Weidman.

MM was scheduled to face Barao for Barao's debut.

Should be noted Barao did not look good in his debut against Cole Esconvedo and the first two rounds were really close.

I think if that same Barao had shown up against MM he would of lost for sure.

Obviously he's a huge favorite now but it'd be a great fight.


Also another good reason why Barao vs MM is most likely to happen is because neither commands PPV buys, so the UFC doesn't really lose much if either of them lose. Unlike other possible superfights.

I would love to see Pettis vs Aldo

Been a fan of Pettis since he was on True Life years ago and Aldo is just really sick

On April 23 2014 18:56 TimDawg wrote: I would love to see Pettis vs Aldo

+1
super fights will probably stay one of those things that isn't that hard to organize, all the fans would love to see, but it would only stay a myth... there's also the problem with the person that ends up having 2 belts after such fight, defending titles in 2 divisions is practically impossible

"Vagner Rocha suffers last-minute training injury, UFC 172 bout with Joe Ellenberger scrapped from card."

10 fights on this card, and this is a PPV card! zZzZzZz

pettis vs aldo is probably the most competitive super fight. less hurdles than most others, but not as easy to make as MM vs barao which could basically be done immediately. aldo really needs to rematch mendes before moving up and pettis needs to face melendez. both are very tough fights and either guy could lose, whereas MM and barao just arent losing to anyone in their divisions.

Jon Jones-Cain Velasquez is the superfight i want to see!!
Aldo-Nurmagomedov i want to see because i want to see Aldo smashed
And i love MM but he is really too small for Barao.Do any of you guys know what is going on with Cruz?Because Cruz-Barao would be sick.
I am big Weidman fan and if he beats Machida i can not see how someone can stop him.But Machida is the worst match up for him everrr!
Also want to see JDS-Minakov(Bellator champ).The best HW outside the UFC.For me definitely top 3 in all of MMA.

I want to see Jones vs Velasquez too, only because I want to see Jon Jones being brutalized

So far, I have Teixeira KO/TKO +1000 & Benavidez KO/TKO +300. I don't see Tex submitting Jones nor winning by decision. Tim Elliott is tough, but I think there's a decent shot that Benavidez can get the finish, possibly with a combo of strikes to the head and body.

Jon Jones (205) vs. Glover Teixeira (205)
Phil Davis (205.5) vs. Anthony Johnson (205)
Tim Boetsch (185.5) vs. Luke Rockhold (185.5)
Yancy Medeiros (155.5) vs. Jim Miller (155)
Andre Fili (145) vs. Max Holloway (145)
Joseph Benavidez (125.5) vs. Timothy Elliott (125.5)
Takanori Gomi (155.5) vs. Isaac Vallie-Flagg (155.5)
Bethe Correia (135) vs. Jessamyn Duke (135.5)
Charlie Brenneman (155.5) vs. Danny Castillo (156)

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just watched the wladimir boxing fight. what an incredible mismatch.

On April 26 2014 16:36 Daut wrote: just watched the wladimir boxing fight. what an incredible mismatch.

The commentators said Leapai is a former truck driver, and hit the jackpot when he knocked out a #1 contender to get this fight. Losing to a Klitschko is a life changing experience to anyones bank account.

Starts in 12 minutes. Not sure if I'll be able to find a stream for the 1 fight on Fight Pass, but I'll keep looking.

Fight Pass: http://www.vipboxus.co/boxing/224217/...-pass-prelims-live-stream-online.html

whoops

BOOM! Beal delivers the goods in a REAL WAY!!!

well dat was pruddy cooo

On April 26 2014 18:57 milkman wrote: well dat was pruddy cooo

What you got for tonight?

Here's my bets pre-live betting:

TEIXEIRA WINS BY KO,TKO, OR DQ +1000 $10
ANTHONY JOHNSON +216 $10
MAX HOLLOWAY +115 $10
BENAVIDEZ WINS BY KO,TKO, OR DQ +300 $10
JESSAMYN DUKE +100 $15
CHARLIE BRENNEMAN +220 $5
CHRIS BEAL -130 $10
CHRIS BEAL -115 $10


Parlay $20: JIM MILLER -160, TAKANORI GOMI -155

I have a Miller/Fili/Benevidez/Jones Parlay

whoops #2

lololololol theres a sniper in the building

Castillo KO`ed Charlie into doing the stanky leg.

On April 26 2014 19:18 Daut wrote: lololololol theres a sniper in the building

rofl

only bets I have tonight are some favorites:

Straight Wager 04/25/14 17:42 ET
bet 100.00 to win 22.22 Result: Pending
UFC 172 - Flyweight Matchup
Joseph Benavidez
Tim Elliot 04/26/14(21:30 ET)
Joseph Benavidez -450

2) BET ID=439503683
Straight Wager 04/25/14 17:41 ET
bet 100.00 to win 41.67 Result: Pending
UFC 172 - Lightweight Matchup
Phil Davis
Anthony Johnson 04/26/14(23:15 ET)
Phil Davis -240

3) BET ID=439503619
Straight Wager 04/25/14 17:40 ET
bet 300.00 to win 63.16 Result: Pending
UFC 172 - Light Heavyweight Matchup
Jon Jones
Glover Teixeira 04/26/14(23:55 ET)
Jon Jones -475

Was expecting a lot more out of Duke after a long layoff so she can improve her skill set...

I'll never bet her again.

On April 26 2014 19:52 PuertoRican wrote: Was expecting a lot more out of Duke after a long layoff so she can improve her skill set... I'll never bet her again.

Rogan was harping on it but he was right. Why no leg kicks? That chick she was fighting was a tough gal though, wasn't a horrible fight. Duke is way more talented but that game plan was plain awful, she seemed to be a way more dynamic grappler too.

$250 free roll for the MAIN CARD only: http://www.kountermove.com/draft/2563...eixeira-premier-fights-T-free/220593/

that is what you call a slobberknocker.

hope gomi doesnt get robbed

On April 26 2014 20:25 Stim_Abuser wrote: that is what you call a slobberknocker.

For real... I'm always amazed at how much damage both of these guys take in every one of their fights...

On April 26 2014 20:26 drone666 wrote: hope gomi doesnt get robbed

Yeah, I was sweating that one. Asian fights get screwed a lot in the UFC. I had live-bet Gomi at -150, -125, and -160.

awesome, had ville flag +3.5, fight goes distance, fight start round 3, over 2.5 and live bet Gomi after round 2
all cashes, sweet

LOL LEG TAPPED?

Holy shit.... thank God, in retrospect I wouldn't take that bet, Elliot looked AWESOME! That Joe B guillotine is just inescapable though. I need a GIF of Elliot getting choked, amazing.

lol jesus

Sick submission by Benavidez. Some other people were on his submission line, but I wasn't aware how good his subs are. He said he hurt his knee during the fight, so hopefully it's nothing serious.

lol, that was hilarious, dude looks like a fish out of water

Added this, I'm feeling Fili

Parlay (2 Teams) 04/26/14 21:58 ET
bet 120.00 to win 100.00 Result: Pending

UFC 172 - Middleweight Matchup
Luke Rockhold
Tim Boetsch 04/26/14(22:55 ET)
Luke Rockhold -1000
UFC 172 - Featherweight Matchup
Andre Fili
Max Holloway 04/26/14(22:10 ET)
Andre Fili -150

Main card: http://www.vipboxus.co/boxing/223458/...s-vs-teixeira-live-stream-online.html

Rogan really did just say that you can't "stick anything in any orifice inside the octagon". I want to reiterate, that just happened.

On April 26 2014 20:56 drone666 wrote: lol, that was hilarious, dude looks like a fish out of water

ROFL!

Damn it... My stream started to lag during the last 2.5 minutes of round 3, and I switched back to see Holloway get up and raise his hands.

Nice outting for Holloway, his technique and cardio proved paramount - I had Fili overhyped but I still like him in the future

hm, think im running hot at kountermove, if Yanci Medeiros got a first round sub/KO I prob win some good money

all my streams started lagging badly, anyone have any links other than the vipbox ones?
?

On April 26 2014 21:39 milkman wrote: all my streams started lagging badly, anyone have any links other than the vipbox ones? ?

http://www.bestsportgo.tv/20140427/vv-807630--535c624b2215e8.19583124.html

On April 26 2014 21:39 milkman wrote: all my streams started lagging badly, anyone have any links other than the vipbox ones? ?

All the vipbox streams r laggy except for the "@TvMax" one

Damn good shit by miller. That's some sick heart by that other dude.

On April 26 2014 21:42 jvilla777 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2014 21:39 milkman wrote: all my streams started lagging badly, anyone have any links other than the vipbox ones? ? All the vipbox streams r laggy except for the "@TvMax" one

The 2nd one I provided started to lag, so try this one: http://gofirstrowus.eu/watch/256596/1/watch-ufc-172:-jones-vs-teixeira.html

fuuuck this sucks... all the streams r lagging so hard..

Medeiros is a man. There are very few places in MMA you can truly test someone's heart and compare it to everyone elses, but when you just flat out won't tap in a tight guillotine from JMiller for like 15 seconds and than go sleep with your eyes open in violent fashion, you are a monster.

On April 26 2014 21:38 drone666 wrote: hm, think im running hot at kountermove, if Yanci Medeiros got a first round sub/KO I prob win some good money

should have done a big bet on Miller, that sucks

On April 26 2014 21:48 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2014 21:42 jvilla777 wrote:   On April 26 2014 21:39 milkman wrote: all my streams started lagging badly, anyone have any links other than the vipbox ones? ? All the vipbox streams r laggy except for the "@TvMax" one The 2nd one I provided started to lag, so try this one: http://gofirstrowus.eu/watch/256596/1/watch-ufc-172:-jones-vs-teixeira.html

thanks

When Miller let go of the submission, Yancy's leg twitched while he was unconscious.

Super sick sub by miller

Rockhold get's to fight with the pressure off knowing a 2nd career in porn is always avail

lol is that what a legit 10-1 favorite looks like?

That guy's gonna be fighting Weidman in about 1 year, mark it.

And Anthony Johnson looking like he won't be far behind.... wow. (a title shot that is)

Put $5 on Davis at +1000 as a hedge on my Johnson bet.

shiiitttt i want some of w/e johnson is on.. this is a clinic..

Johnson looked great.

Johnson ever fights Jones, Jones gonna be asking for some serious PED testing lol.

had big money on Johnson by KO, sick how he couldnt finish
props to Davis for surviving those big shots, damn

On April 26 2014 22:38 drone666 wrote: had big money on Johnson by KO, sick how he couldnt finish props to Davis for surviving those big shots, damn

I thought about the KO prop, but then I looked at both their records, and it looked like either Davis would win by submission or it would go the distance. Johnson does have power though.

I had Johnson +216 and goes over 2.5 rounds at +100.

Davis is hard to finish. Like Joe said he hardly commits to any of his strikes so it's hard to catch him really good. Plus he has a good chin.

He ever wants to improve his boxing though he needs to start committing to strikes.

yeah, but Johnson must be one of the hardest hitter ever
and he even hit at least 2 hard clean shots on Davis, pretty sick chin

lol jones is pumped

I feel pumped from jones' entrance

Hahaha omg this walkout, he's going full heel

Edit: well not really, but haters will hate even more now, and if he does KO'd its gonna be epic

goooooooo Glover ITD plz

so nervous for these fights... fuuuck

Lol seriously this eyepoking

i got jones all 3 rounds, i think 2nd could be iffy, but id still say jones

Over 3.5 hits. I still have bets on Glover by KO and Glover by decision. Most I'll lose now is $5 instead of $10 in the Jones/Tex fight, so it's not too bad.

Dude Jones is just so damn unlikeable, what a dick.

I wonder if it'd be a viable strategy to grab his hand when he has it out, to poke your eye, and then you jump back, and you yoink it real hard

On April 26 2014 23:26 soberstone wrote: Dude Jones is just so damn unlikeable, what a dick.

no clue what ur talkin about, i fuckin love that kid

I do too because he's such an amazing fighter, but he's not very well liked cuz he's a dick, its pretty well documented

My results:

+ Show Spoiler +

Jones' response to Rumble when he said he has a lot of work to do before fighting Jon Jones: "Now you sound like Phil (Davis), you just happy being a top guy. You gotta wanna be the best, like Dana said. Phil's happy being top 4." - Jon Jones

LMAO...

Really nice fights. Jon Jones put on a clinic but Rockhold and Rumble stole the show imo. Nice to see a couple legit threats coming up.

On April 26 2014 23:40 soberstone wrote: I do too because he's such an amazing fighter, but he's not very well liked cuz he's a dick, its pretty well documented

I think some people get butthurt too easily is what is more well documented. He walks the line very well imo. The facts are that to be an athlete of his calibre you need to have enormous level of self-confidence which some will take as "being a dick." In his post-fight interview he was gracious in thanking the Brazilian fans for tuning in and saying that Glover was a great opponent. And then he went on to say that Glover was a one dimensional opponent and his camp knew what to expect. Some people will take that as arrogance. The rest of us will take that as reality. He was a one-dimensional opponent to anyone who watched that fight. The sky is blue also.

dont think it's arrogance to say Glover is one dimensional fighter, but running and dancing in the end of the fight is
you can see lots of champions with another attitude, Fedor, Velasquez, Aldo, Mighty Mouse etc

Jones is somewhere between Ronda Rousey and Anderson Silva

awesome card. yesterday i caught someone in the same exact triangle that rockhold got boetsch in. mid roll i ask my instructor how to finish it and he was like "you need to pull on the arm" and i couldnt get anywhere with it. my opponent actually tapped cause he was getting smothered by his own gi but the choke really wasnt close. nice to know the kimura is just right there

20 seconds of running/evading (early celebration really) in a 25 minute fight. There isn't really anywhere to run in a cage. I am pretty sure Glover knows how to run too. If Glover wanted to corner him he would have Seems like grasping for straws if you ask me.

On April 27 2014 10:59 Daut wrote: awesome card. yesterday i caught someone in the same exact triangle that rockhold got boetsch in. mid roll i ask my instructor how to finish it and he was like "you need to pull on the arm" and i couldnt get anywhere with it. my opponent actually tapped cause he was getting smothered by his own gi but the choke really wasnt close. nice to know the kimura is just right there

That was a sick sub indeed. I don't think I have ever seen a kimura with a (reverse?) triangle before. It was so close up to the cage too, I didn't think there was room.

alright, so everybody dislikes jones without any reason
and him and the other champs that I mentioned have the same attitude towards their opponents as Jones, everybody that hate jones, hates him because he is talented and he is black
you are right and everybody is wrong

I love to watch him fight, and he is a great fighter, but he is a douchebag

I didn't say people dislike him without a reason. I absolutely gave a reason. I said they dislike him because they mistake his self confidence for arrogance. And I definitely never said anything about the colour of his skin wtf lol. You already named some champs yourself that are black and are well liked by everyone. You can think he is a D-bag, lots do. Maybe (whatever makes you all hate him) is just him summoning a bit of the Chael Sonnen genius. Who could blame him?

off topic but just saw matt brown is +170 vs Silva, anyone remeber the lines when he was supposed to face Condit?

On April 27 2014 12:53 gebbstet wrote: off topic but just saw matt brown is +170 vs Silva, anyone remeber the lines when he was supposed to face Condit?

I don't remember if they were released or not, but BestFightOdds doesn't have the Brown/Condit line listed, so I assume it was never put up, unless it was released early on a European bookie: http://www.bestfightodds.com/fighters/Matt-Brown-775

Jones is weird in that he is respectful and humble at times but also show-boaty and cocky at others.

Honestly I don't blame him for having a big ego, he is obviously the best fighter currently. Not everyone can be a Fedor and be super humble and stoic when they dominate everyone.

Did anyone figure out what was going on with his right hand?

I made my first sports bet last night, Jones $5 to win $1, lol.

On April 27 2014 18:51 goose58 wrote: Jones is weird in that he is respectful and humble at times but also show-boaty and cocky at others. Honestly I don't blame him for having a big ego, he is obviously the best fighter currently. Not everyone can be a Fedor and be super humble and stoic when they dominate everyone. Did anyone figure out what was going on with his right hand? I made my first sports bet last night, Jones $5 to win $1, lol.

Guess there was no problem with it, I was sure it was broken. If that's the case he was just being super disciplined not wanting to give Glover the opportunity to counter and close the distance on his own terms. I still wish he'd have thrown it in every now and then as it probably could have helped him get the finish (KO's don't come from punches that you see coming), but obviously the guy knows what he's doing so who can really complain too much. He basically employed a Daniel Cormier + elbows gameplan to perfection. I think he's gonna beat Gus in the rematch, but it should be a FAIRLY close line. Maybe -240ish? Anybody have any thoughts on what the line should open at?

I really dont get whats the big deal w early celebration, sure its somewhat disrespectful, but Jones doesn't seem like the kind of guy that does it with that intention. Only annoying thing is when he starts the eye poking, which he still does unintentionally, but he abuses his reach to manage distance and would risk poking an eye rather than stop doing that. Apart from that I see no way Jones loses title to anyone other than Gustafson. There is absolutely no way DC has a chance vs him after seeing this fight

Another thing is you could see how his expression changes throughout the rest of the Press Conference once that dude mentions the Gustafson fight and negativity around it, he ll be 10x more prepared for their next fight im guessing

jones is a ruthless, brutal and borderline dirty fighter. he kicks people in the knees, willing to put his fingers in peoples eyes, was excited when he heard glover's elbow popping, just no fucks given about his opponents safety whatsoever. exactly the kind of guy you want to bet on and i respect it, but it makes me realize i could never ever be a fighter.

Jones is smart and it is obvious that he extends his left arm in front of the face of his opponent to block his vision not to poke him in the eye.And Glover is very tough,very strong and very hard to beat.He was cut but not really hurt through out the whole fight.Respect!And after what i saw i think Glove beats DC pretty easy and is coinflip aginst Alexander.And i would like to see Glover vs Rumble(both swing to the fences so it is going to be great).

I wonder what my chances are vs Jones if I get to have a Sword, I'm sure I'd have some chance.

On April 27 2014 20:05 Daut wrote: jones is a ruthless, brutal and borderline dirty fighter. he kicks people in the knees, willing to put his fingers in peoples eyes, was excited when he heard glover's elbow popping, just no fucks given about his opponents safety whatsoever. exactly the kind of guy you want to bet on and i respect it, but it makes me realize i could never ever be a fighter.

You dont have to be a douche to destroy everyone


btw how is running celebrating? glover knew he had 30 seconds to knock him out and Jones was very tired he was going to engage there obv

When its comes to professional MMA i don't think that his style is dirty, he just knows all of his strengths and abuses them to full extend. If you know certain things will give you edge why wouldn't he use them. He s willing to put his fingers in people's eyes, but the chances of that happening aren't that high and you can see he is more careful if he does it once. Only dirty thing about him is that he s fighting in the LHW and not in the HW imo where his edge wouldn't be near as high. Plus obv he ll be happy if he hurts his opponent, its his job. Yeah I it felt quite nasty to me too when he said that, but when you think about it its the same as getting it in set over set and hitting your 1 outer, you ll be happy although its nasty. Its just that we have this self preservation feeling when it comes to psychical injury which is natural, but when its your job to psychically dominate in front of a crowd your mindset should be different too. Its also one of the reasons i still have this weird bad feeling when I watch fighting events, makes me like somethings s wrong cause I as a fan contribute to those people making them want to hurt each other, if there were no fans, there would be no events, and there would be no fight :/

I don't see how you can say his eyepokes are not dirty. If that's not dirty I don't know what kind of extremist definition of the word we're using here. He doesn't poison them before the fights?

On April 28 2014 06:06 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2014 20:05 Daut wrote: jones is a ruthless, brutal and borderline dirty fighter. he kicks people in the knees, willing to put his fingers in peoples eyes, was excited when he heard glover's elbow popping, just no fucks given about his opponents safety whatsoever. exactly the kind of guy you want to bet on and i respect it, but it makes me realize i could never ever be a fighter. You dont have to be a douche to destroy everyone

agreed, but they just dont care. the key word you used is destroy. its the thing which makes jones different from someone like bernard hopkins. bhop is basically a tactician who uses any small edge he can to push himself to narrow victories. jones is a vicious and dangerous man who does anything he can to destroy his opponent.

jones, palhares and probably a slew of other MMA fighters seem like they are basically psychopaths. they fundamentally dont care if things are dirty, if they think it is legal they just want so bad to destroy their opponent they are willing to do it. no fucks given whatsoever. it would be nice if everyone treated it like a sport and used gamesmanship similar to guys like machida or maia but not everyone is like that.

its hard to say where the line between "exploiting something in the rules" and "dirty" is. for instance, i dont think it was dirty when korean zombie dislocated his shoulder against aldo and aldo noticed it and immediately kicked him there as hard as he could 4-5 times. i dont really think it was dirty when dustin poirier said he heard akira corrisani had nose surgery and he was aiming for his nose the whole fight. but at the same time these things are vicious and you need to be kinda fucked up to take advantage of them.

but there are things i think are clearly dirty. for instance taking advantage of the warning system and putting your fingers in people eyes, grabbing the fence once a fight, hammer fists or elbows to close to the back of the head, etc. basically really pushing the boundaries of things that arent allowed by exploiting the fact that the ref wont take a point away until youve committed an offense multiple times.

jones is willing to do both of these types of things and is certainly a dirty fighter in my book. intent wise im not sure hes conscious of it, i think he just wants so badly to crush his opponent he does everything he thinks is legal to do so, but in this case intent is a distinction without a difference.

Another reason why Fedor is still the GOAT.

Actually its not that difficult to find nice people like him but as you are pointing out high level MMA probably attracts very vicious and aggressive people in the first place.

This is how Jones injured Texeiras arm btw

On April 28 2014 21:16 Baalim wrote: This is how Jones injured Texeiras arm btw

2nd crank looked rough.