I know there are many topics on this but..

I have no idea how to win anymore.

It's been like 4 months and I'm probably down -2k in this period of time. Either breakeven days, slight winning days or huge losing days.

Since the beginning of this month I've played around 40k hands and my KK is breakeven because I ran into AA around 30% of the time (no joke). I mean, I know players go through huge downswings, but this is like a perpetual one. I feel like I'm the unluckiest player in the world.

My BR is pretty steady and I can take a hit since I have well over 40 buyins for 200NL but this is just insane. The last time I ran really good was in February/March this year =[. I don't mind a losing day here or there but it would be nice to know that I'm actually going up. I feel like I'm crushing these players because they simply make all those atrocious plays, but all their draws hit and non of mine hit lately. It's been like this for a shitload of time. Never hitting with AK/AQ etc. I'm confident that I'm a better player than those retards I'm playing against.

Sorry for this topic, needed to vent some and didn't want to bother someone at MSN =[.

Ok bring up the tissue box pics.

lower stakes, poker players blame everything on luck because they dont want to think themselves as "bad" I was in the same position as you, but i realized it wasnt luck killing me, it was my cockyness that got to me

bleh dont worry about it ul bounce back and youl start hitting your draws them missing there ect ect ect happens to the best of us. just dont do what i do and break your knuckles on a computer screen because it aint worth it , the next day u have a winning session and a cast and cant whipe your ass

sounds like maybe you are to confident. always revise and study your play trying to get better. always.

i have no idea ive never seen u play, but -2k swing isnt much of a downswing in 200NL... but over a 4 month period u might wanna take a look at ur game

maybe just drop back to 100 NL and regain confidence as well as some $

odds of being up against AA in a full-ring game when holding KK: 3.61%

your jump to 30% is nothing short of a miracle

i've been dealing with quite a bit of KK vs AA lately too, what a pain in the fucking ass that shit is. but then one day you wake up, you play a 5,000 hand session, and it doesn't happen once. then the next day you wake up, play a 5,000 hand session, and you get AA vs KK three times. then today i wake up, play a 5,000 hand session, and go up another 5 buy-ins.

Four months stuck on 200NL, well actually I'm more interested in the amount of hands you have played. If you are playing a good amount (which I don't think you are) it is an impossible losing streak for a player of your calibre on these limits. If you have indeed played like 150k hands or more you will really need to re-evaluate your game because you are doing something wrong.

Taking a break over one week is what you should do. After such big time, see what your biggest losers are, compare them to positions you play them in. Also look at which type of hands you lose money with (one pair, two pair, etc).

In my experience, I pretty much always do good or better after a break, even though before a break "I think I'm playing good". Few big bets per 100 hands is very easy to slowly bleed away when you develop a bad habit that the break will help you clear.

Taking extended break is the best advice there is. For sure. Take two weeks off, first week, don't even look at pokersites, next week, do some study of the game and start playing on the third. That worked for me.

Try 4-tabling a session and then spend a good hour analyzing all the important hands you played, or get a buddy to look at all the hands.

Suckouts happen, and should make you happy because it's a reminder that you're playing well. Plus, usually we forget about all the times we suckout on them.

But as Frinx said, 10 buyins is really nothing. I lost 13 buyins on the weekend over something like 3000 hands...so I took a break and only played Dota this week.

And If you count all the rake you've paid over 4 months you're probably making money...so there's still hope!

How can he figure out what he's doing wrong though?

I haven't been doing so well for the past month either really, but i don't have any programs like pokertracker, i suppose i should get it ?

i think it bothers him that hes down 2k in 4 months time idea
not the 2k itself

I know it's not much buyin-wise, it's just frustrating that I can't get up anymore. I've had days where I lost 6 buyins, make 5 back the next day, then 2 more in the next, then I lose 5 again.

And yeah it isn't 150k hands, I don't play that much. I reckon it's about 80k.

'Muh says:
I see you've been doin' bad - just replied to your thread
Muh says:
take a longer break, it helps
Muh says:
I've played like 50k breakeven stretches because I didn't take that break I needed
Muh says:
you start to think you're playing good when in fact, you're bleeding money with some marginal type error in your game that you've developed over the last 23143902483 hands
Erwin says:
could be
Erwin says:
meh
Muh says:
I am currently idle.
Muh says:
breaks seriously help
Muh says:
even if nothing else, you'll feel good to be playing again
Muh says:
after breaking even forever (trust me i know), you can feel frustrated and you do feel
Muh says:
a bit even before you sit down
Muh says:
that's very very bad ;P
Erwin says:
yeah hm
Erwin says:
i guess i won't play poker for a while'

Probably what Muhweli says is true, I'll just play some pc games instead of poker I guess.

Thats one long downswing

thats nothing, I've been on a downswing for over 2 years. I'm a winning player though, I swear

feel ya. i havent been doing good either over last 4 month (well i was doing extra good one month, but rather bad the other 3, though i usually ended slightly up in the end).
and i am down 2 grands for this month so far, seems like this will be my first whole month which i will actually finish in negative numbers.

anyone willing to watch me play or help me analyze my game and find mistakes is welcome

On November 24 2006 10:00 RaSZi wrote: and 80k hands is nothing

it's so disillusioning, it seems the longer you play and the more experience you get, the more you realise that the skill edge takes a long time to show itself


80k hands is unbelievably much to me... i guess i still overestimate the skill factor

Im in the same kinda place as you atm. Stick to it

anyways twisted you are indeed much stronger than your competition, but that doesn't mean you're going to win their money effortlessly... you also need to compensate for the rake and still have a high enough edge for it to matter. And then you need to retain your A-game even during inevitable losing streaks. It's a tough task. When you're running good and winning, you might forget that because poker seems easy at those times.


If it makes you feel better, i always looked up to you since you owned my guts at broodwar about a zillion to nothing, then you started poker later than me, played about as much, and climbed up the limits much faster. You may feel that you are not moving up, but for a while there you were moving up incredibly fast. If you look at it over the long run, your results have been exceptionally good even with the losing streak included. So stick with it, because if you do, these people don't stand a chance against you.

And remember nietzsche; “What does not destroy me, makes me stronger.”

Thanks for the kind words guys.

Haha as I said in the previous topic about huge swings, i can't remember who brought it up.. but everytime I feel like making a topic (and don't because I know nobody gives a shit about my bad luck) someone else does and it feels good to not be the only one. wait for bigballs to post and you'll feel better =]

twisted~

i don't think you've been very faithful with your walk

pray to lee jones for forgiveness of your sins.

take a week off of playing poker... just study hands you have played over the past stretch... post some hands in some situations where u feel you are losing money and you aren't sure if you are playing them right

how many tables do you play?

if you play 6+, try playing fewer. make better reads.

what's your Won $ WSF % and W$SD at each position? get these numbers up! shoot for 55%+ in both of these stats from every position outside the blinds. then you will be CRUSHING

play different games for a while. i've been playing PLO (hi only) and NL 2-7 triple draw a lot lately. i just play these games at like $50 buyin. playing 200nl all day long becomes a pretty serious grind, but you'd be surprised how much it helps to just mix it up without taking a serious risk

don't sit to goodkarma's right.
sit at all of bbm (rotterdaum)'s tables.
reraise tobsen, highpothead, and slavery_lol a lot in position.
don't get involved in a big pot with HHHthegame88 without a big hand.

hey twisted
im down a lot too since late summer holidays
well i lost like 2-3k then won it back then won 2-3k then lost it
it wouldnt bother me if money wasnt an issue for me because i know i havent played much
2333 hands/ day is like 70k / month
thats not so much after all is it?
i feel you tho bro

i feel the same
12-tabling 50NL with ~40 buyins and i feel like im just going in circles

i guess the biggest problem is my lack of playing time and short sessions

sounds like me about a month ago except i had 3.5K downswing

i moved down to 100NL and still run extremely bad (only through like 10K hands) but usually still finish each session up because the play is pretty much the same as 25NL

i love these threads, i always scream inside "welcome to my world mother fucker!!!" lol.

anyway, just hate lucky donkeys on a sick heater, that helps with the pain.

die pitf! :D .. much better now.

i can relate to baal

:O Try a break from poker maybe it can help.

Baal has 5433 posts and he's still a whale

newbie

lol baal was a donkey and he had like 4k posts ;D

There is a reason why im still a whale.

2K downswing at 200NL over a month period? are you kidding me!?
I have 1K downswing and then upswing of 1K at 100NL in the same day, after day.
Just work with it, it will eventually break open.

he said after 4 months he is down 2k... not that his biggest loss is 10 buy-ins

lmao

lol whale. well i played the ladt 3 days (for the first time in ages) like 12 hours 6 6max perhaps , made 200 on 50nl lost 300 on 100nl then just made 800 on 100nl in 6 hours rofl so screw you twisted eheh. /rant back to afk ;3

whata giant penis that whale has .... holy
evaluate you game, which should be ez with pt, or easier
take a break, stay away from anything realated to poker in that time
read a poker book, its fun :D

lol

look at the guy

he's like~ "i wish i had a penis that big"

On November 24 2006 17:01 Baal wrote: There is a reason why im still a whale.

Oh my god

On November 24 2006 09:58 RaSZi wrote: who cares.. i been losing 4 months and i won 65k in tourneys this week.. shit happens it will change and it can go fast .. just keep playing have people watch you play.

but your an insanley good tourney player

any time i have a really bad losing streak and i start losing confidence in my game, i switch to a different game for about a week
maybe try out sngs for a while, shl, omaha, i dno
kinda clears your head and gets you thinking more about your game than your run of bad luck

the last bad down swing i had at shl i was down around 150 bb's over a couple weeks, i switched to playing some shnl for a while, made back some of my losses, and went back to shl and have been winning consistantly since.

VARIANCE IN NL IS MUCH MUCH BIGGER THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE

100k hands is nothing. not today. maybe a few years ago when play was much more passive variance in nlh was much smaller. but today it definitely is huge, with the aggressive way the games play out. 3betting preflop light, defending from light 3bets by calling light and using the allin move postflop/4betting preflop, thin value bets, thin bluffs, thin calls, floating, bluffraising, semibluffing allin with draws, allin preflop AK v QQ flips, so much high variance stuff is the norm. in an aggressive game 80k hands is really not much of a sample at all.

i can relate with you twisted, i havent won shit in the last 2 months. check out graphs:

July-end of September, little over 200k hands 12tabling 2/4 3/6 5/10.


poker seemed pretty easy, not sure what if anything i was doing "right" then that im not doing now. stuff just went my way constantly and i came to expect it. every session i sat id go up 2-5 buyins and think nothing of it.


Beginning of October-present


suddenly im barely more than breakeven for the last 150k hands, under a quarter of my previous winrate. what the hell happened? isnt 150k hands supposed to be very significant statistically? i doubt it. did i somehow get worse at poker? maybe, i hope not. did the games get tougher? maybe, i hope not. the thing is, every human alive even nazgul will let how they're running affect how they're playing. the extent to which that happens can vary a lot from person to person, but it happens in a much more subtle way than the images that are conjoured up by the word "tilt" (read: b buddy style allin every hand). you might become slightly more reckless and aggressive, fold preflop much less when facing reraises and play more gamble happy. you might go the other way and become more timid in marginal situations because its hard to not expect to lose again if thats what happened the last few times in a similar situation. you might find you don't pull the trigger in big pots in a good +ev bluff spot because you are leaking so much money every hand and all you can think about is how you got called last time and u dont wanna get called again. we all laugh at fish who play hands in an unorthodox way based on the results of what happened the last few times, ie ppl who used to slowplay AA and put the money in after being outdrawn now start raising 15bb preflop trying to avoid another "bad beat" at all costs, but this could be what actually happens to winning players too, just in a much more subtle and less extreme way. are you and i playing differently as a result of not being able to win any money? almost definitely. is this a bad thing? impossible to tell but probably.

although theres probably an extent of playing bad resulting in running bad, and "life tilt" being the result of the vicious cycle that creates, id still say these graphs do a pretty good job of showing 100k hands is really not that much. maybe if you stick with poker, in the future you'll have a really nice 100k hands where more things go your way, which will result in making a TON more and feeling a lot better about poker. here's to running good, because thats all this game's really about.

Twisted, take a break man, have tons of fun, for like 1-2 months, then come back.

The stress of being on tilt or not winning are causing more damage, just relax for some time, try not to think about it.

GL man

btw, nice graph Ket

nice post Ket

how do you make these graphs anyway? I'm using PT now to track my results

nazgul, you need to get pokergrapher, or pokerpatterns!

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=149136

Poker is gay.

got some error when trying to run that program after installation

pokerpatterns is no longer available. i found this out after i uninstalled it.

oh, but i still got the pokerpatterns install file. still works =)
oh, and nazgul, i think you need to download the latest .net framework from microsoft for the program to work. install that and it should work.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/de...-8edd-aab15c5e04f5&displaylang=en

http://83.149.84.143/~muse/pokerpatternsv17.zip

got this link from here

hf

very lucid, helpful, insightful post ket. well done.

going on that note, maybe you should do some serious data analysis (@ twisted). it will be really tedious, but make a spreadsheet with all of your hands where your net was over 20bb (or net was under -20bb, you want to analyze both wins and losses) or something, and just note for each one what your net was, and whether you made a mistake in the hand. you can use a notation system something like

"yes" = i made a mistake
"no" = i was outdrawn
"ul" = shitty situation you usually can't get away from, like set over set in a raised pot

if you have a ton of UL's and "no"s, obv we should tell you "it's just variance." if you have any "yes"s, work on improving from those.

but be very very very very honest with yourself about the mistakes you make. it's difficult, but if you make a mistake, fess up. for instance, i genuinely think i made a mistake going broke in this hand, because alarms were ringing in my head and my instincts were telling me he had KK when he raised the turn, but i convinced myself that he might have AA and put me on AK:

Submitted by : [vital]Myth

PokerStars Game #7121454368: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/11/21 - 21:50:29 (ET)
Table 'Achaia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: sfman614 ($141.05 in chips)
Seat 2: BrotherSpice ($36 in chips)
Seat 3: HHHthegame88 ($554.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Xblood ($307.80 in chips)
Seat 5: The Hobbitt ($96 in chips)
Seat 6: Tecknowledgy ($304.50 in chips)
Tecknowledgy: posts small blind $1
sfman614: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Tecknowledgy
BrotherSpice: folds
HHHthegame88: folds
Xblood: raises $6 to $8
The Hobbitt: folds
Tecknowledgy: calls $7
sfman614: folds

Flop (Pot : $18)

   
Tecknowledgy: checks
Xblood: bets $10
Tecknowledgy: raises $23 to $33
Xblood: calls $23

Turn (Pot : $84)

   
Tecknowledgy: bets $60
Xblood: raises $90 to $150
Tecknowledgy: calls $90

River (Pot : $384)

   
Tecknowledgy: checks
Xblood: bets $116.80 and is all-in
Tecknowledgy: calls $113.50 and is all-in

Showdown
Xblood: shows (three of a kind, Kings)
Tecknowledgy: mucks hand
Xblood collected $608 from pot

Summary
Total pot $611 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: sfman614 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BrotherSpice folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HHHthegame88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Xblood showed and won ($608) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: The Hobbitt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Tecknowledgy (small blind) mucked

heh i didn't play as much as you guys but it's pretty much the same situation.
september & beginning of october
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/678/3733/1600/331193/sept-oct.jpg



now
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/678/3733/1600/427047/mid-oct-november.jpg

i suck at poker

lol, im in similar spot too, tore it up Sept. half of oct. sucking it up since then.

November has really been sucking balls for me.

NOVEMBER SUX!

9k hands this week... nothing much to do and yea i barely broke even =/

my only losing month ever was November 2005, and it looks like Nov. 2006 will be #2

not a nice graph joe ;(

ket's post is great and says it all. 80k hands really isnt much to go by.

decent month i guess, atleast im not down

Thanks again everyone, I'm just gonna play some 100NL for a while I think.

Submitted by : Twisted

PokerStars Game #7212996769: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/28 - 15:06:58 (ET)
Table 'Tombecka' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Twisted22 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: albastar ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 4: morich954 ($98.45 in chips)
Seat 5: AssoNero ($26.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Omoneyman0 ($99 in chips)
Omoneyman0: posts small blind $0.50
Twisted22: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Twisted22
albastar: folds
morich954: calls $1
AssoNero: calls $1
Omoneyman0: calls $0.50
Twisted22: checks

Flop (Pot : $4)

   
Omoneyman0: checks
Twisted22: bets $4
brecats joins the table at seat #3
morich954: folds
AssoNero: raises $4 to $8
Omoneyman0: folds
Twisted22: raises $91 to $99 and is all-in
AssoNero: calls $17.60 and is all-in

Turn (Pot : $202)

   

River (Pot : $202)

   

Showdown
Twisted22: shows (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
AssoNero: shows (two pair, Nines and Fives)
AssoNero collected $53.20 from pot
Twisted22 said, "rofl."

Summary
Total pot $55.20 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: Twisted22 (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fours
Seat 2: albastar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: morich954 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: AssoNero (button) showed and won ($53.20) with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 6: Omoneyman0 (small blind) folded on the Flop


rofl I can't win on 100NL either

Submitted by : Twisted

PokerStars Game #7213010007: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/28 - 15:08:05 (ET)
Table 'Geographos' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Twisted22 ($170.75 in chips)
Seat 2: EtOi ($99.50 in chips)
Seat 3: visiting4one ($172.55 in chips)
Seat 4: adamw005 ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: BennyP82 ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 6: austinski ($15 in chips)
Twisted22: posts small blind $0.50
EtOi: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Twisted22
visiting4one: raises $2 to $3
adamw005: folds
BennyP82: folds
austinski: folds
Twisted22: raises $7 to $10
EtOi: folds
visiting4one: calls $7

Flop (Pot : $21)

   
Twisted22: bets $16
visiting4one: calls $16

Turn (Pot : $53)

   
Twisted22: checks
visiting4one: bets $15
Twisted22: calls $15

River (Pot : $83)

   
Twisted22: checks
visiting4one: bets $26
Twisted22: calls $26

Showdown
visiting4one: shows (three of a kind, Sixes)
Twisted22: mucks hand
visiting4one collected $132 from pot

Summary
Total pot $135 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Twisted22 (small blind) mucked
Seat 2: EtOi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: visiting4one showed and won ($132) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 4: adamw005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BennyP82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: austinski (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Submitted by : Twisted

PokerStars Game #7213062818: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/28 - 15:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Tombecka' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Twisted22 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: albastar ($99 in chips)
Seat 3: brecats ($214.45 in chips)
Seat 4: morich954 ($98.85 in chips)
Seat 5: AssoNero ($43.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Omoneyman0 ($104.25 in chips)
brecats: posts small blind $0.50
morich954: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Twisted22
AssoNero: folds
Omoneyman0: folds
Twisted22: raises $3 to $4
albastar: folds
brecats: raises $6 to $10
morich954: folds
Twisted22: calls $6

Flop (Pot : $21)

   
brecats: bets $10
Twisted22: calls $10

Turn (Pot : $41)

   
brecats: bets $20
Twisted22: calls $20

River (Pot : $81)

   
brecats: bets $41
Twisted22: raises $19 to $60 and is all-in
brecats: calls $19

Showdown
Twisted22: shows (three of a kind, Aces)
brecats: shows (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
brecats collected $198 from pot

Summary
Total pot $201 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Twisted22 showed and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: albastar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: brecats (small blind) showed and won ($198) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 4: morich954 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: AssoNero folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Omoneyman0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Submitted by : Twisted

PokerStars Game #7213012014: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/28 - 15:08:16 (ET)
Table 'Tombecka' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Twisted22 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: albastar ($100.50 in chips)
Seat 3: brecats ($101.40 in chips)
Seat 4: morich954 ($97.45 in chips)
Seat 5: AssoNero ($53.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Omoneyman0 ($98 in chips)
albastar: posts small blind $0.50
brecats: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Twisted22
morich954: folds
AssoNero: calls $1
Omoneyman0: folds
Twisted22: raises $4 to $5
albastar: folds
brecats: calls $4
AssoNero: folds

Flop (Pot : $11.5)

   
brecats: checks
Twisted22: bets $8
brecats: raises $8 to $16
Twisted22: calls $8

Turn (Pot : $43.5)

   
brecats: bets $17
Twisted22: raises $23 to $40
brecats: calls $23

River (Pot : $123.5)

   
brecats: bets $40.40 and is all-in
Twisted22: calls $39 and is all-in

Showdown
brecats: shows (a full house, Fives full of Sixes)
Twisted22: mucks hand
brecats collected $198.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $201.50 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Twisted22 (button) mucked
Seat 2: albastar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: brecats (big blind) showed and won ($198.50) with a full house, Fives full of Sixes
Seat 4: morich954 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: AssoNero folded before Flop
Seat 6: Omoneyman0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Submitted by : Twisted

PokerStars Game #7213020082: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/28 - 15:08:57 (ET)
Table 'Sicilia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Ekos ($104.15 in chips)
Seat 2: squall72 ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 3: OURASIII ($94.25 in chips)
Seat 4: urmyrakeback ($120.40 in chips)
Seat 5: DodgyAces ($104.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Twisted22 ($95 in chips)
urmyrakeback: posts small blind $0.50
DodgyAces: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Twisted22
Twisted22: raises $3 to $4
Ekos: folds
squall72: calls $4
OURASIII: folds
urmyrakeback: folds
DodgyAces: folds

Flop (Pot : $9.5)

   
Twisted22: bets $6
squall72: calls $6

Turn (Pot : $21.5)

   
Twisted22: checks
squall72: bets $6.40 and is all-in
Twisted22: calls $6.40

River (Pot : $34.3)

   

Showdown
Twisted22: shows (a pair of Tens)
squall72: shows (a straight, Seven to Jack)
squall72 collected $32.65 from pot

Summary
Total pot $34.30 | Rake $1.65
Board  
Seat 1: Ekos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: squall72 showed and won ($32.65) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 3: OURASIII (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: urmyrakeback (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: DodgyAces (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Twisted22 showed and lost with a pair of Tens

I run even worse on 100NL.

I'll lose my whole bankroll before I win again.

stop thinking negative man ..

Nazgul you can use pokergrapher

Honestly, the hands you posted arent as 'crazy suckouts' as you make them out to be. Not too long ago in the span of like 800 hands, in a reraised pre flop pot, i flop top set of kings, money goes in he catches over set with aces on river. This happened 3 times in that span, then i catch a middle set vs top set deepstacked. Basically, 'the luck' is suppose to be 'equal' in the long run, but as fate has it, some people end up in the more unlucky spectrum of 'luck' while some might end up in the luckier spectrum of 'luck.' Perhaps you didnt go through enough 'up and down cycles' but i saw some of ur hands and just play your games, be confident, and you have to believe.

You don't get it, it's an endless cycle and it's been going on for like several months. I've lost half my online bankroll or so.

why do you raise 10Ks utg? and i think that AA hand is a fold because of the board and the aggresion he had shown.

dude

stfu

sorry sir

Submitted by : Twisted

PokerStars Game #7213724432: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/28 - 16:07:14 (ET)
Table 'Sicilia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Tylor_Durden ($96 in chips)
Seat 3: Cchan78 ($74.55 in chips)
Seat 4: roachpole ($116.85 in chips)
Seat 5: MennoW ($208.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Twisted22 ($131.90 in chips)
Twisted22: posts small blind $0.50
Tylor_Durden: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Twisted22
Cchan78: calls $1
roachpole: folds
MennoW: folds
Twisted22: raises $5 to $6
Tylor_Durden: calls $5
Cchan78: calls $5

Flop (Pot : $18)

   
Twisted22: bets $12
Tylor_Durden: calls $12
Cchan78: calls $12

Turn (Pot : $54)

   
Twisted22: bets $36
Tylor_Durden: folds
whoisyadaddy joins the table at seat #1
Cchan78: raises $20.55 to $56.55 and is all-in
Twisted22: calls $20.55

River (Pot : $167.1)

   

Showdown
Twisted22: shows (three of a kind, Jacks)
Cchan78: shows (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Cchan78 collected $165.10 from pot

Summary
Total pot $167.10 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 2: Tylor_Durden (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Cchan78 showed and won ($165.10) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: roachpole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MennoW (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Twisted22 (small blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Jacks

lol

A long break is the only way to go I guess 2 weeks minimum

10 for a cigarette

go playmoney, I can give you lots.

take a nice good break, play some broodwar

i ' ll let you own me (just like the good ol' times!)

you are having really bad luck indeed, im sorry
but taking a break will do FINE

pretty familiar hands, maybe we could compete who gets more suckouts per day?

Take that break sir.

i'm not a fan of taking breaks.

two weeks off might make you feel that you're off to a fresh start, but it won't change your mindset. if you can't handle beats right now you probably couldn't in two weeks time.

you can start off by refraining from posting beats. ask yourself why do you do that. looking for sympathy? acknowledgement that you're running worse than others?

i treat extended bad runs as tests. everyone has them from time to time. if you can honestly, objectively say that you played very well despite having bad luck than you sir made money, not lost it.

wow, I see that this sucks so hard, especially since those hands were played all today.

Dunno what you could do, take a rest, read some pokerbooks to get your head off that bad-luck, good-luck thinking and concentrate on the strategy again.

I dont really like taking breaks either. If it goes really bad I quit for the day some times, but that's about it.

http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ermal6.jpg
woot im rich
does anyone knows wtf happened to my pt database?

im not sure if u guys can see the image .. please click on the link if u cant
i just clicked to plot the graphic again and the same stuff happened ..
the same stuff is appearing on pt .. i didnt earn more then bill gates this month

edit: i restarded my pc and now its cool again .. nvm

On November 28 2006 14:55 tomson wrote: i'm not a fan of taking breaks. two weeks off might make you feel that you're off to a fresh start, but it won't change your mindset. if you can't handle beats right now you probably couldn't in two weeks time. you can start off by refraining from posting beats. ask yourself why do you do that. looking for sympathy? acknowledgement that you're running worse than others? i treat extended bad runs as tests. everyone has them from time to time. if you can honestly, objectively say that you played very well despite having bad luck than you sir made money, not lost it.

I think he needs confirmation about whether or not it is bad luck or skill. Not sympathy. Most people start doubting their abilities during bad runs.

On November 28 2006 16:48 Minion wrote: http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ermal6.jpg woot im rich does anyone knows wtf happened to my pt database? im not sure if u guys can see the image .. please click on the link if u cant i just clicked to plot the graphic again and the same stuff happened .. the same stuff is appearing on pt .. i didnt earn more then bill gates this month edit: i restarded my pc and now its cool again .. nvm

lmao

u play well

limit used to be a walk in the park for me, now i dont even win low limits its ridiculous. i think its a mix of tougher game, bad luck, and my skills getting affected by both of these.

On November 25 2006 18:40 Joe wrote: NOVEMBER SUX!

wow, thats some bbudy tilt

its not tilt, a mistake here and there due to bad run of course, but most of it just bad luck (compared to my standard play, not that i play any good. my play in this period of time does not differ from my normal game all that much). no way out, waiting for better tommorow

27 buy-ins in 10k hands? mmm...

On November 28 2006 16:58 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2006 14:55 tomson wrote: i'm not a fan of taking breaks. two weeks off might make you feel that you're off to a fresh start, but it won't change your mindset. if you can't handle beats right now you probably couldn't in two weeks time. you can start off by refraining from posting beats. ask yourself why do you do that. looking for sympathy? acknowledgement that you're running worse than others? i treat extended bad runs as tests. everyone has them from time to time. if you can honestly, objectively say that you played very well despite having bad luck than you sir made money, not lost it. I think he needs confirmation about whether or not it is bad luck or skill. Not sympathy. Most people start doubting their abilities during bad runs.

fo sho. I've been experiencing similar stuff bro. Just stick with it, you're definately a winner from what i've seen. i'm rooting for you

you can whine to me on msn or aim at any time.

Not sure if it helps but you were the only 200NL player I "avoided" when I didn't suck.

Well after running like crap and loosing 2.5k today, i promise to NEVER bitch about a badbeat, downswing or anything like that.

nor post a single bad beat hand (unless it has an specific purpouse).

plus ill put a nice signature as reminder.

its a good goal baal
but its pretty hard.

On November 28 2006 18:44 Baal wrote: 27 buy-ins in 10k hands? mmm...

that part was NL200, so "only" like 13 buyins and yea, i definately made some mistakes in these 3 days i would not normally do, but i definately wasnt playing that much different from my normal play to call it a tilt. Just AA outdraw like 6 times, set vs overset 5 times, flush draws hit everytime against me etc

On November 29 2006 03:37 Baal wrote: Well after running like crap and loosing 2.5k today, i promise to NEVER bitch about a badbeat, downswing or anything like that. nor post a single bad beat hand (unless it has an specific purpouse). plus ill put a nice signature as reminder.

lol

I predict some severe postcount stagnation

haha.