personal training?

I went to see one today, he charges

$200 for a working routine / plan
$200 for nutrition plan
and $50 / session

He seems like he knows what he's doing - he's gold medalist in natural body building. but this seems INSANELY overpriced..

No need to pay for the nutrition and routine plan imo, can easily just look up all that stuff on the internet. Once you find a program that's tailored to your needs, just look up the exercises on youtube. Or, just go in with your plan and pay for a few sessions with a trainer to get your technique right. You'll also pick up a lot by seeing how other people do stuff.

If you're not socially dysfunctional just go to some gym and ask someone bulked to show you how to do the exercise he's doing.

People really don't mind if you're nice.

Just do Crossfit if your gonna spend more then 100$ a month.

Youtube cross fit if you dont know what it is. Brief break down would be, expensive gym imo at around 120$ a month. But its a group atmosphere type workout where in a way you are competing against the guy next to you. Keeps you entertained and its hard as fuk. Fast results too.

i think the best way is to order the Starting Strength book http://aasgaardco.com/store/store.php?crn=210&rn=323&action=show_detail (i've heard the DVD is really helpful too but i don't have it, and there's a bunch of it on youtube anyway). it goes into a lot of detail (sometimes cumbersome and boring) about how to perform all the main compound barbell exercises correctly as well as some good assistance exercises for each.

then if you want, take a video of yourself doing the exercises and post them for people to critique your form on an exercise forum somewhere. i assume bodybuilding.com is by far the most popular, imo 2p2's health and fitness forum is also worth checking out: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/85/health-fitness/ - i don't post there but you can learn a lot by reading and they have a "form check" thread too. If you're relatively "untrained" (not necessarily fat) it's best to start out with a simple program anyway and you don't need a trainer for that. imo 95% of nutrition, at least in terms of getting leaner/stronger/ripped/whatever you want to call it, is really simple and for almost everyone just involves eating a lot more protein than they're used to (+veggies and plenty of water) and adjusting carbs/fat intake based on your goals (what you're bodyfat% is at, what you want it to be, how fast you want to get there, etc).

If you have the money, get the trainer, great investment.

Even if you knew how to do the exercises, he's gonna perfect your technique and push you much harder than you will ever push yourself.

gogogo

shouldnt there be some employe in a gym to help/show you how to do proper exercises
it's overpriced... esp because you are beginner... you can easily find everything you need online

find/download some of this dvd's like p90x or rushfit.. you can try it from your home (for free lol... thx piratebay) and in a few weeks you will have idea how to do things in a right way as all programs have proper explanations.. or just search youtube (easy way) + it will help you get in a form (not a bad way to start)

join powerlifting gym, regulars at normal gyms are retards

Those prices are ridic, also "natural" bodybuilding is full of steroids fwiw. Dont you have a trainer at the gym to give you a starting program? even a crappy one will get you started in the right path. Also why is crossfit being recommended to someone that never even been to a gym? that shit is intense.

yeah dont do crossfit, you would just do ridiculous amount of reps w/ bad technique

i think its a must when you are a total beginner to get a personal trainer for the first few times, if you go by yoursself you just fuck around and not effective at all

when i started i paid 3x1 hours (20$/h) for the local pt in the gym and he showed me what and how to do the exercises properly and how to use the machines, also made a workout plan

starting working out was one of my best decisions ever. you get less stress, get a healthy and good looking body, so much more confidence with girls

depends on your goals, if you wanna get big and muscular you should take steroids

if you want to improve your cardio ,strength and improve your general health, that takes a lot of work

Steroids have a bad rep in the media, the best athletes in most sports use steroids or some form of testosterone replacement therapy, or if they are cardio athletes they dope blood
moral of the story, most people cheat if they can get away with it
nothing wrong with cheating, I don't judge people - I appreciate the hustle

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391282

All you need to know as a beginner

Steroids work like magic, but you nead to learn how to lift first (if that floats your boat)

Every male over 30-35 should be on testosterone replacement therapy
Thats how hollywood actors keep young in their 40-60 (Tom Cruise doesn't age WTF)

lol tom

def dont take steroids until you trained for couple of years, then you might ask some who knows the stuff to write some solid steroid cycling for you. also avoid oral usage.

Yeah being muscular is what matters, cardio, strength and health is nonsense, especially health, thats for queers.

^lol

I can't imagine taking steroids. i'm sure the athletes who use them get closely observed by there doctors. (and didn't Zyzz die from heart problems, caused by steroid use) . My goal isn't to be big, like bloated looking. I just want to gain weight, and lean muscle.

fyi, I weighed myself for the first time in years. I'm 6'2 and ~156 pounds. I'm so skinny! 11.8% body fat. reason why I'm so skinny is because I don't have much of an appetite (thx to anti-depressants), and I apparently have the metabolism of a 12yo.

I've been trying to eat while feeling full, and I drink like 5 liters of milk a week. It's tough gaining weight!

recreational steroid usage w/ proper cycling wont affect your health

brewers yeast are good for apetite, thou ur problem is physical inactivity in the 1st place

I bought lots of supplements that loco suggested, years ago. should help


Also IDK how people eat / prepare meals 4-5 times a day. feels like a full time job, along with working-out. but i'll try, since I've got nothing better to do right now.

On August 01 2013 17:00 dogmeat wrote: brewers yeast are good for apetite,

hmm I'll check it out. Does it mix well in shakes?

On August 01 2013 15:16 bigredhoss wrote: i think the best way is to order the Starting Strength book http://aasgaardco.com/store/store.php?crn=210&rn=323&action=show_detail (i've heard the DVD is really helpful too but i don't have it, and there's a bunch of it on youtube anyway). it goes into a lot of detail (sometimes cumbersome and boring) about how to perform all the main compound barbell exercises correctly as well as some good assistance exercises for each. then if you want, take a video of yourself doing the exercises and post them for people to critique your form on an exercise forum somewhere. i assume bodybuilding.com is by far the most popular, imo 2p2's health and fitness forum is also worth checking out: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/85/health-fitness/ - i don't post there but you can learn a lot by reading and they have a "form check" thread too. If you're relatively "untrained" (not necessarily fat) it's best to start out with a simple program anyway and you don't need a trainer for that. imo 95% of nutrition, at least in terms of getting leaner/stronger/ripped/whatever you want to call it, is really simple and for almost everyone just involves eating a lot more protein than they're used to (+veggies and plenty of water) and adjusting carbs/fat intake based on your goals (what you're bodyfat% is at, what you want it to be, how fast you want to get there, etc).

thanks, i'll look into it.

I always see people mention how results come down to 80-90% nutrition. Does that mean I can be eating alot of good foods, while working out lightly, and see good results?

Sooooo much Information about all this stuff on the internet. Thousands of videos how to do excersises properly. And there is like no gym in which there is no guy who shows you what to do.

what do you mean by working out lightly? you can train 40 minutes 2-3x a week and still get good results, maybe not optimal but still good. you should still be trying to lift weights that are challenging (to the extent that you don't compromise form).

fwiw i'll add another minus-1 to crossfit even though my only knowledge of it comes from second-hand reading on the internet...it seems like kind of a weird/culty atmosphere and some of the exercises they use are not only dumb/inefficient but also dangerous. i can appreciate the value of positive peer pressure in working out but personally i'd stay away.

On August 01 2013 17:10 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2013 15:16 bigredhoss wrote: i think the best way is to order the Starting Strength book http://aasgaardco.com/store/store.php?crn=210&rn=323&action=show_detail (i've heard the DVD is really helpful too but i don't have it, and there's a bunch of it on youtube anyway). it goes into a lot of detail (sometimes cumbersome and boring) about how to perform all the main compound barbell exercises correctly as well as some good assistance exercises for each. then if you want, take a video of yourself doing the exercises and post them for people to critique your form on an exercise forum somewhere. i assume bodybuilding.com is by far the most popular, imo 2p2's health and fitness forum is also worth checking out: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/85/health-fitness/ - i don't post there but you can learn a lot by reading and they have a "form check" thread too. If you're relatively "untrained" (not necessarily fat) it's best to start out with a simple program anyway and you don't need a trainer for that. imo 95% of nutrition, at least in terms of getting leaner/stronger/ripped/whatever you want to call it, is really simple and for almost everyone just involves eating a lot more protein than they're used to (+veggies and plenty of water) and adjusting carbs/fat intake based on your goals (what you're bodyfat% is at, what you want it to be, how fast you want to get there, etc). thanks, i'll look into it. I always see people mention how results come down to 80-90% nutrition. Does that mean I can be eating alot of good foods, while working out lightly, and see good results?

Most people in my gym say it's like 70% nutrition, 30% workout. But you can eat perfectly and won't see any results as well as you won't see lots of results if you workout a Lot and dont eat properly. When I started working out I was very frustrated because I only got thinner for months and Lost 6kg. Since I am looking at good nutrition I see awesome results and feel sooo much more healthy and strong. Eat to live, don't live to eat <3

use the internetz, ask questions and use your eyes imo.

that shit is for middle aged women and the dudes.

I recommend www.bodybuilding.com, even if they are supplement oriented (thats their business) I got a lot out of the forums, external links, videos on how to perform exercises and even free complete programs like the Kris Gettin ones which I've experienced good results from after completing two of those. This I highly recommend for cutting while losing as less muscle as possible http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer.html and this one I used to bulk a bit although I'm sure there could be better ones both helped me http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-...4-weeks-to-maximum-muscle.html?page=1

Also theres just a SHITTON f information on the internet, and from what I've read a lot of them contradict themselves, even between reputable sites, bottom line is there's a lot to learn in the field and most things aren't cut and dry, just try out things and find out what works best for you is my advice. If you start a routine and find out you are losing weight two weeks in a row and you want to gain just stop and try something different, eat more than what the routine tells you to eat, etc.

Good luck!

Learning from gym people is like learning poker from people at the casino >_< . Do starting strength and pay for a trainer to teach you how to do your lifts, or you can make videos of yourself and post them online.

Nutrition is important if you want to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, which is whats going to make you look good. If you only have 2500 calories a day to work with it's a lot easier to get 150 grams of protein eating chicken breast and egg whites. If you ate like this and did light excercise you would drop body fat which would make you look better, but your not really adding lean muscle mass, so doing excercise is better.

some people prefer to bulk and cut. on bulk they'll eat a ton not really caring about calories as long as they get a lot of protein ie mcdoubles chinese buffets. Then they will go on really strict diets and drop the body fat while trying to keep the muscle. IMO while this may be the faster method to get to a certain point it is really unhealthy and you will feel like shit cycling gorging and starving yourself. The first method is better for your quality of life.

On August 01 2013 19:44 locoo wrote: I recommend www.bodybuilding.com, even if they are supplement oriented (thats their business) I got a lot out of the forums, external links, videos on how to perform exercises and even free complete programs like the Kris Gettin ones which I've experienced good results from after completing two of those. This I highly recommend for cutting while losing as less muscle as possible http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer.html and this one I used to bulk a bit although I'm sure there could be better ones both helped me http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-...4-weeks-to-maximum-muscle.html?page=1 Also theres just a SHITTON f information on the internet, and from what I've read a lot of them contradict themselves, even between reputable sites, bottom line is there's a lot to learn in the field and most things aren't cut and dry, just try out things and find out what works best for you is my advice. If you start a routine and find out you are losing weight two weeks in a row and you want to gain just stop and try something different, eat more than what the routine tells you to eat, etc. Good luck!

you can read through this long boring post, or you can take steroids

On August 01 2013 17:07 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2013 17:00 dogmeat wrote: brewers yeast are good for apetite, hmm I'll check it out. Does it mix well in shakes?

sour pills, taste like beer, you better swallow them

Your appetite, diet and motivation to work out will not change overnight. Overdoing it at the start will most likely burn you out and you will quit. All 3 will increase concurrently, just build up with a simple routine.

For instance, you only need to work a muscle group 1 time per week to have gains, so you can make 1 day each week your workout day. Go for an overall total body routine that is simple to do at home. There is no need for a gym until you have built up core strength + proper nutrition + motivation.

So, a good day is Wednesday.

Pushups - youtube for proper technique do as many as you can
Squats - do full range not the halfway - google how to do it *use starting strength technique* do 10-15
Calf raises on edge of stairs - 20-25 reps is the goal
Forward Lunges - youtube how to do it do 10-15
Back Lunges - youtube how to do it do 10-15

Rest

So do all that in sequence with no breaks until finished back lunges. Repeat 3x

Now planking, youtube there are a few variations
Do the regular plank hold for 30-60seconds, release to something like yoga downward dog pose
Then bring a knee forward towards elbow as form of crunch 10x
Then bring knee forward towards opposite elbow as form of side crunch 10x
Alternate knee

Repeat 3x

If you do this once a week and in a few weeks you will want to do it 2-3x a week. By then you will be strong enough + appetite for weight training


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Meal planning is as simple as Making a bunch of food and putting it into containers. You should have a few lunchs + dinners prepared like 2-3 days worth. Rinse + repeat.

Snack should be almonds/walnuts/pistachios. Eat a large handful every single day. Each 2 large handfuls morning/afternoon for more gains.

Get instant steal cut oats and mix with peanut butter + frozen blue/black/rasp berries

eat 2 bananas each day, 1 in morning hours, 1 in afternoon.

Drink large glass of milk at least 1 per day, if not 2x

Eat 1 large serving of plain greek yogurt + frozen blue/black/rasp berries ( you can add peanut butter to plain greek yogurt and it will taste like a whipped dessert)

Boiled Eggs


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If you want lean gains, avoid wheats, if you don't care, each a lot of pasta. Pasta is full of calories.

Avoid sugars/juices/candy/soda/sport drinks

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try to make your pre made meals around solid food components

Lentil/blackbean/vegetable soups are good. You can buy
and then add frozen pea/green beans/kale

quinoa/blackbeans/tomato/cucumber/redpeppers/onion + drizzle with olive oil + cracked pepper + side dish of chickpea spread
If you are not vegan, throw chicken breast on that


boil sweet potato and diced + diced boiled eggs + olive oil + other spices = homemade potato salad OR just buy potato salad for now


brown rice/chicken/broccoli

quinoa/chicken/broccoli

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Drink a glass of water before every meal/snack you eat

Drink 2nd glass of water after a large meal IF you did not drink milk with the meal

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On Wednesday after your work out you should do 3 things

1 = drink a glass of V8 low sodium / HIGH potassium or a banana

2 = drink a vegan + whey protein shake - 40-50g protein total

3 = light stretching

dood best thing is just get off your ass and start working out. of course getting that proper technique and posture stuff helps but actually going there 3-4x a week for a year doing incorrect form is way better than going for 3 months and quitting doing perfect posture O_O

Getting coaching for exercise is similar to getting coaching for poker. It will speed up your results, but it's nothing you couldn't learn on your own through various sources and time/practice/studying.

Steroids are a sticky subject, don't mess with them unless you are highly educated and willing to take serious risks with your body.

step1: Go to the gym 1 year to get in shape and get motivation from other people (if you cant start calisthenics alone)
step2: 1 more year looking for advice from the ghetto doing street workout. Mix it with some sport
step3: look for parkour training (not parkour performance), mix it with some sports
step4: ....?
step5: profit

About food, eat a different type of meat each day with veggies. Eat fruits, dried fruits and avoid wheat based food except high quality pizza once in a while. Avoid drugs, unless it has lot of vitamins, like Peyote or mushrooms and is a casual intake. GL

On August 02 2013 13:41 Highcard wrote: + Show Spoiler + Your appetite, diet and motivation to work out will not change overnight. Overdoing it at the start will most likely burn you out and you will quit. All 3 will increase concurrently, just build up with a simple routine. For instance, you only need to work a muscle group 1 time per week to have gains, so you can make 1 day each week your workout day. Go for an overall total body routine that is simple to do at home. There is no need for a gym until you have built up core strength + proper nutrition + motivation. So, a good day is Wednesday. Pushups - youtube for proper technique do as many as you can Squats - do full range not the halfway - google how to do it *use starting strength technique* do 10-15 Calf raises on edge of stairs - 20-25 reps is the goal Forward Lunges - youtube how to do it do 10-15 Back Lunges - youtube how to do it do 10-15 Rest So do all that in sequence with no breaks until finished back lunges. Repeat 3x Now planking, youtube there are a few variations Do the regular plank hold for 30-60seconds, release to something like yoga downward dog pose Then bring a knee forward towards elbow as form of crunch 10x Then bring knee forward towards opposite elbow as form of side crunch 10x Alternate knee Repeat 3x If you do this once a week and in a few weeks you will want to do it 2-3x a week. By then you will be strong enough + appetite for weight training --------------------------- Meal planning is as simple as Making a bunch of food and putting it into containers. You should have a few lunchs + dinners prepared like 2-3 days worth. Rinse + repeat. Snack should be almonds/walnuts/pistachios. Eat a large handful every single day. Each 2 large handfuls morning/afternoon for more gains. Get instant steal cut oats and mix with peanut butter + frozen blue/black/rasp berries eat 2 bananas each day, 1 in morning hours, 1 in afternoon. Drink large glass of milk at least 1 per day, if not 2x Eat 1 large serving of plain greek yogurt + frozen blue/black/rasp berries ( you can add peanut butter to plain greek yogurt and it will taste like a whipped dessert) Boiled Eggs ----- If you want lean gains, avoid wheats, if you don't care, each a lot of pasta. Pasta is full of calories. Avoid sugars/juices/candy/soda/sport drinks ------ try to make your pre made meals around solid food components Lentil/blackbean/vegetable soups are good. You can buy and then add frozen pea/green beans/kale quinoa/blackbeans/tomato/cucumber/redpeppers/onion + drizzle with olive oil + cracked pepper + side dish of chickpea spread If you are not vegan, throw chicken breast on that boil sweet potato and diced + diced boiled eggs + olive oil + other spices = homemade potato salad OR just buy potato salad for now brown rice/chicken/broccoli quinoa/chicken/broccoli ======== Drink a glass of water before every meal/snack you eat Drink 2nd glass of water after a large meal IF you did not drink milk with the meal -------------------- On Wednesday after your work out you should do 3 things 1 = drink a glass of V8 low sodium / HIGH potassium or a banana 2 = drink a vegan + whey protein shake - 40-50g protein total 3 = light stretching

thanks. pretty good post

On August 04 2013 09:57 eestwood wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2013 13:41 Highcard wrote: + Show Spoiler + Your appetite, diet and motivation to work out will not change overnight. Overdoing it at the start will most likely burn you out and you will quit. All 3 will increase concurrently, just build up with a simple routine. For instance, you only need to work a muscle group 1 time per week to have gains, so you can make 1 day each week your workout day. Go for an overall total body routine that is simple to do at home. There is no need for a gym until you have built up core strength + proper nutrition + motivation. So, a good day is Wednesday. Pushups - youtube for proper technique do as many as you can Squats - do full range not the halfway - google how to do it *use starting strength technique* do 10-15 Calf raises on edge of stairs - 20-25 reps is the goal Forward Lunges - youtube how to do it do 10-15 Back Lunges - youtube how to do it do 10-15 Rest So do all that in sequence with no breaks until finished back lunges. Repeat 3x Now planking, youtube there are a few variations Do the regular plank hold for 30-60seconds, release to something like yoga downward dog pose Then bring a knee forward towards elbow as form of crunch 10x Then bring knee forward towards opposite elbow as form of side crunch 10x Alternate knee Repeat 3x If you do this once a week and in a few weeks you will want to do it 2-3x a week. By then you will be strong enough + appetite for weight training --------------------------- Meal planning is as simple as Making a bunch of food and putting it into containers. You should have a few lunchs + dinners prepared like 2-3 days worth. Rinse + repeat. Snack should be almonds/walnuts/pistachios. Eat a large handful every single day. Each 2 large handfuls morning/afternoon for more gains. Get instant steal cut oats and mix with peanut butter + frozen blue/black/rasp berries eat 2 bananas each day, 1 in morning hours, 1 in afternoon. Drink large glass of milk at least 1 per day, if not 2x Eat 1 large serving of plain greek yogurt + frozen blue/black/rasp berries ( you can add peanut butter to plain greek yogurt and it will taste like a whipped dessert) Boiled Eggs ----- If you want lean gains, avoid wheats, if you don't care, each a lot of pasta. Pasta is full of calories. Avoid sugars/juices/candy/soda/sport drinks ------ try to make your pre made meals around solid food components Lentil/blackbean/vegetable soups are good. You can buy and then add frozen pea/green beans/kale quinoa/blackbeans/tomato/cucumber/redpeppers/onion + drizzle with olive oil + cracked pepper + side dish of chickpea spread If you are not vegan, throw chicken breast on that boil sweet potato and diced + diced boiled eggs + olive oil + other spices = homemade potato salad OR just buy potato salad for now brown rice/chicken/broccoli quinoa/chicken/broccoli ======== Drink a glass of water before every meal/snack you eat Drink 2nd glass of water after a large meal IF you did not drink milk with the meal -------------------- On Wednesday after your work out you should do 3 things 1 = drink a glass of V8 low sodium / HIGH potassium or a banana 2 = drink a vegan + whey protein shake - 40-50g protein total 3 = light stretching thanks. pretty good post

ye, thanks highcard lots of good info in this thread.

The vast majority of personal trainers are fucking retarded and worthless.