Healthy food thread

Hey guys. As a hobby for quite a few years now, I've spent quite a bit of time reading about food, doing research, trying to learn more about it, and how it affects the body. This was mainly because I started getting really sick, and I've been trying to fix. I have tried maybe 8 or 9 different diets. And I keep changing, trying to "optimize".

Lately, I feel it's been going better than ever "food wise". And I've found a pretty awesome diet. Compared to what I used to eat many, many years ago at least.

So my challenge to anyone who's smart about food, is to find flaws in my diet. Tips, ideas, what food to maybe change out, and what to add in. I've actually spent time on every single item.

I also have spent time on all the different spices I eat, supplements, meat, fruit, vegetables so forth lol. I am very allergic to fructose, it makes me sick. so nothing that ends with ol, or any form or sugar, or fructose. All those are a big no no. The only fructose is when it's really, really low quantities, and the ratio between F and G (glucose), is exactly the same, and the total value is under 1g per 100g.

Here's a picture of what I bought 40 minutes ago. I just got in the door from my shopping trip:

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The idea is 1/3 starches, 1/3 meat/fish, and 1/3 vegetable, fruits thingy I can eat. And I add acids, in form of lemon, lime n shit like that.


In the white paper thingys there's meat. One got Fresh Pork Shops, all bloodied up from the local slaughtery. One got Lamb and the other one is an expensive Beef "storfe" not sure what that is in English lol.

I also usually buy salmon, but they were all out today. And I only buy the fresh ones, since it's a small layer of salt and sugar on the shitty ones.



The supplements I take is D3 (I live where it's no sun, and it's suppose to do a lot of other shit, not really done a lot of research on it, but all the "legit" sources says it's the best shit u can take).


Magnesium, to try help me sleep better, relax, fights depression and other good shit.

C-Vitamin. I'm experimenting with it. I take a type that's called "buffered C-vitamin", more gentle with the stomach, if u have problem with constipation or diarrhea. And oh, I take like, x5 - x10 times the recommended dose, since I'm a bwauss xD

I also take Fish oil, and coconut oil thingy.


The butter is unsalted, and it's regarded as one of the healthiest u can buy in the stores in Norway. But I boil that shit up, it's like 85% fat, and the rest, not 100% sure, but I boil it, and remove the the white gooey stuff, and just keep it as Ghee lol. A hassle, not sure if it's worth it, but suppose to be awesome. Who knows.


Those white jars are coconut oils, one for cooking food, and one to have in drinks or add in food after it's done. And olive oil.

Ok, gogo, if you know of any super foods I should be getting, and tell me why, preferably with links and research, I love that shit xD (But u dun have to, u could just go "eat xxxx, it's the shit". I won't be mad.

In case anyone's wondering where I get my information, I'll post links to sites I use:

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First is some database which gives lots of info about all the food in the world.

Second is a blog from Mark, he talks about food a lot.

Third is complicated, hate reading that shit, but feel it's really important. But awfully confusing.

Fourth is the site I use to experiment with new food, since I have to be very careful about the fructose content.

Fifth is more vegetarian type thingy, but he seem really smart, and does a lot of research. But not been there in a little while. Im more of a MEAT believer hehe, yarrr

Sixth is that Dave Asprey guy who was on Joe Roga, to his blog.

Seventh is from a guy who feels really legit as well. His approach is to eliminate toxins, stuff like that. Fix chronic illnesses given to us by us eating shitty food for long periods of time. Big believer in removing all corn products, wheat, rye, all cerial like stuff. That's kind of a common thread on all the "best diets".

Remove sugar, wheat, most diary, everything but healthy butter and sour cream seem to be the general consenseus.

Ok, now I've made thread, why haven't anyone responded yet!!

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Edit: Ok, that oughta do the trick!!

I'd like to reply, but my English is real bad when it comes to food. I don't know much about food and very often I eat only shit for a couple days. But when I feel like I have to live more healthy cause I feel weak, I usually eat the following...







+ potatoes, chicken, garlic (when I don't have to go out),



Pizza with fresh vegetables and not much cheese can be very healthy and still very tasty.

Edit : Apple is probably no good for you. For me it's the best way to activate my brain.

i eat alot of fruits, and love pomengrenate. ze best and super healthy

If I remember correctly there are a couple of nutrition threads already if you search the history.

Solar!!

Not done research on paprica, since I'm allergic to it. When it comes to cerials, 99% of them are bad. Grains is shit, unless it's quinoa or oats that are gluten free. Most toxins out of any food type.

Apples got sky high fructose, which I think is bad for most ppl, u get insulin a really big spike of insulin. And when it comes to pizza, the dough is made from awful stuff most of the time.
But it sure does look delicious and tasty xD

Checked Apple

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/apple-juice-may-be-worse-than-sugar-water/

On January 15 2013 08:10 uiCk wrote: i eat alot of fruits, and love pomengrenate. ze best and super healthy

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2038/2

The good: This food is very low in Saturated Fat, Cholesterol and Sodium. It is also a good source of Dietary Fiber and Folate, and a very good source of Vitamin C and Vitamin K.

The Bad: A large portion of the calories in this food come from sugars.



Hrmpffh, found some vods about the Prom Juice, some cheating n stuff. Advertisement bout it doing shit it don't do:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-pomegranate-juice-that-wonderful/

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Oh, and when it comes to garlic, I think I remember reading from several sources that it's best to use it to get the taste, but remove the actual garlic, and don't eat that. Not sure why lol, but I can't eat garlic anyway, so didn't snoop around more lol

Mending my adrenalin issues, helping my immune system, and u rather want to much than too little.

I do eat a lot of leafy greens, but the Spinach was old in the store, so fuck that. I don't want my carb from anything but the sources I have I think. Since the options I have are shit.

The rice I eat is the one u cook for a long time, in water, and i mix in with spices and lemon juice, and I add quite of bit of ghee butter nomnom. It makes my stomach not get pain, aches n stuff, so im reacting well to it.

The potatoes and rice is to help with chronic diseases, ive had chronic constipation, IBS, and its been helping me a lot. But I always test one new thing, and try it, and keep at it if i dont feel pain or naucea, and mix in and out.

The potato in norway is prolly x10 as healthy as anywher else. It's really close, we got sick good air here as well, and most of the food is from farms close by xD

Here's a podcast where they go in a detail about why potatoes are good, its some bad effect for some ppl, but it's a really small amount of ppl, and they use all kinds of fancy words I dun quite get. But I react very well to it http://www.bulletproofexec.com/podcast-34-paul-jaminet/

But i will try to keep 600grams of calories from carbs at max daily. Since that's what seems to be what the body can work with, more just gets in the way or some shit.

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Yea, i get constipated like crazy, due to all the protein from the meat. And I am limited when it comes to vegetables, dun have too many to pick from.

I also used to have 1 cup of coffe, but it irritates my stomach, and I became much better when I cut it out. (made my stomach harder lol). But have been using shitty coffe, thinking bout ordering that bullet proof, to test, but not tested it.

Also help to use some acids to digest better, so I use lime and lemone for that. I also found out u need both kinds of fiber, soluble and insoluble 15% mix, that's why the Gluten free oatmeal. (I mix it with water, boil it, low temperatur, mix ocean salt, and a spoon of mct coconut oil, and some butter, on top as spice I use cinnamon, think that's how it's spelled). And the other fiber from vegetables n stuff.


Yea, just turn off if u dun like. I try to have an open mind. That's why one of the sources is all vegeterian, one for meat, and one biohacker, and one for chronic illnesses, and one with all the nutrition facts.

I notice everyone wants to make a living out of everything. Or get fans, views, subscribers. I get annoyed and hate that shit as well.

If u don't know who that Dave guy is, he got a lot of popularity after he was on the Joe Rogan podcast, he's a bit lol at times, but I like a lot of what he says, since he provide so many research backing up. So at the moment, people like him feel a lot better than what you get recommended from the government. And I have noticed the most improvement after mixing in a more bulletproof, paleo, primal, perfect health, fructose free, FODMAP kind of diet. And just removing the stuff im allergic too, and testing a new fruit or vegetable every second week, for lulz.

On January 15 2013 08:43 Mariuslol wrote: Solar!! Not done research on paprica, since I'm allergic to it. When it comes to cerials, 99% of them are bad. Grains is shit, unless it's quinoa or oats that are gluten free. Most toxins out of any food type. Apples got sky high fructose, which I think is bad for most ppl, u get insulin a really big spike of insulin. And when it comes to pizza, the dough is made from awful stuff most of the time. But it sure does look delicious and tasty xD Checked Apple http://nutritionfacts.org/video/apple-juice-may-be-worse-than-sugar-water/

The "cerials" on my picture are "oatmeals" or "oatflakes", not sure which word is right and everyone tells they are super healthy? hmmm...

The dough of the pizza can be made real healthy as well, I've done it a couple times. It sure doesn't taste like real pizza then, but it still got the fun factor of eating pizza if you know what I mean.

Yeah, apples might be bad, but I really love them and I still think it's "good" food, better than fast food and stuff.

Do have to admit, I find it a little hard to navigate, since there are million of pages. And if I sit reading for 2-3 hours, I can end up with 30 pages, blogs, sites I've never been to, and trying to decipher what's bullshit and what's good.

But I do feel I've found a lot of trends, things that go again and again in all the major ones. Like no grains, no pasta wheat shit. No sugar, no high fructose, so forth. I think that's a major one xD

Normal oatmeal is cut with wheat, so it's a lot of residue, so avoid those. But go for gluten free oats. World of difference.

I tried eating normal oats before, when I didn't know it was bad for you. And I failed 10 - 15 times, during 3-4 years. Each time it got awful. And had kinda given up, but no reaction with the gluten free one lol.

Hmm, not too sure. But I think it depends, if you react to fructose. Apple is as bad as it gets, I got given some apple nectar like substance at the hospital once. And I was literally lying in severe pain and cramps due to it lol. And all the talks n shit about things with a lot of fructose. Not sure, im biased as hell since that shit hurt me lol.

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Cool, if you haven't already seen it from the Podcast thread. This is the same guy, from that blog, being interviewed by Joe Rogan. Really awesome podcast.

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I'm sorry but what makes you think boiling the butter is better?
I thought it was common knowledge already that the higher the ratio of saturated fat to unsaturated fat the worse something is for you.

I also take great offense in your potato comment as Iceland's countryside probably has every so slightly cleaner air, water and soil.

Said boil, but I don't really boil it. My bad, I heat it up, in light temperature. My oven goes to 6, I put it on 3, just for it to melt. And when it have melted. I have it standing there for around 10 - 15 minutes. And it becomes really clear. Then you have the 15% which is milk protein, n shit u don't want seperated from the pure fat.

And I only use that fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarified_butter

Something like that.


I think Iceland is known for infertile soil? It's got volcanos, and all kinds of eruptions n sulphur like thingy? Too tired to google n check it up. Pretty sure Norway soil just pee's all over Iceland soil. Same with air, pretty sure it's much cleaner up here as well. I know a few years back we won some award for cleanest water. And water in Norway from before is known as being sick clean, and we at the top of that. It crushes the cleanest shit u get in bottles, so yay.

Hmm, maybe I'm being a little patriotic lol, common fallacy T_T

That is why I do that to the butter lol. It can't take that high temperature, normal butter that is. Also one of the reasons I use coconut for frying stuff. You can use higher temperature. I try not to go over 180 degrees or so, never fry or barbeque the food. To make sure the fat is all awesome n stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IJGIMd3_LfY#t=123s

What type of oil is that in the bottle? What do you use it for and what are the alternatives.
Those eggs look straight off the shelf of a store, have you tried free-range eggs ? I find the ones i get from the market to be much better.
What is your experience with dark bread, brown rice and mushrooms?

Which type of coconut oil is good for you? What am i looking for if i go hunting for it.
Do you steam your veggies, do you have that rice cooker aparatus and how do you fry stuff? What kinds of pans do you use?
How much time do you spend on buying and preparing food in a week?

You can add fun recipes in your blogposts for others to try. Also, afaik carbs are ok as long as you are active.

you're really overthinking it.

eat real food
mostly vegetables
not too much of it

and you will be great.

For fucks sake unwrap the meat =]

On January 15 2013 12:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: you're really overthinking it. eat real food mostly vegetables not too much of it and you will be great.

this
+eat a decent amount of meat (chicken, fish) and cut the sugar

I don't think potatoes are healthier in some countries? could be wrong. Make sure it's not gmo or pesticide sprayed or something, if I had more choice I would only eat organic food.

On January 15 2013 08:49 Mariuslol wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2013 08:10 uiCk wrote: i eat alot of fruits, and love pomengrenate. ze best and super healthy http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2038/2 The good: This food is very low in Saturated Fat, Cholesterol and Sodium. It is also a good source of Dietary Fiber and Folate, and a very good source of Vitamin C and Vitamin K. The Bad: A large portion of the calories in this food come from sugars. Hrmpffh, found some vods about the Prom Juice, some cheating n stuff. Advertisement bout it doing shit it don't do: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-pomegranate-juice-that-wonderful/

K don't use the nutrition facts website as evident in this example. They state saturated fat is bad for you, it's not.

Anyway, I can only advise you to follow the paleo diet or a variant of it. You posted a link from Marksdailyapple, that dude knows his stuff. I'd say soak up everything he writes on that website and follow that rigidly. You'll see that the more you read, the more it makes sense even if it is against what most 'diet-guru's' would advise.

And like Drone said; only eat real food. That's basically what paleo is about as well. Bread doesn't grow on trees or walks about, it's not real food, thus it's unhealthy.

Eat:

- vegetables (lots of em)
- fruit (some, should be seen as a delicacy that you don't eat too often too much)
- meat (grass-fed beef, organic chickens are obviously best but also expensive/hard to get)
- fish (do some extensive research which type of fish are healthy because a lot of them are really unhealthy)
- starch only if you're doing sports that day. You don't need starch if you're just walking/sitting about. You only need starch if you have to do intensive excercises. Best type of starch is probably sweet potatoes. Otherwise, regular potatoes aren't too bad.
- Extra virgin olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil, grass fed butter (do NOT use margarine, that stuff among other vegetable oils has caused heart disease to be almost non-existant to the #1 killer of mankind in the last 100 years).
- Nuts and nut oil. Don't cook in nut oil, it gets radical and raunchy, really unhealthy. Just drizzle it over your salad if you like that stuff. Peanuts are not nuts btw.

After that it all depends on how strict you want to follow it.

Anyway, I'm not gonna enter any discussions because we've had these topics before. I'll just say; soak up marksdailyapple.com and whenever you buy something in the store, ask yourself this; is this real food? And avoid E621 (MSG, mono sodium glutamate, taste enhancer) like the plague.

meat, beans, salad.

might have to post my 6 pack. but was the easiest way for me to lose weight. straight up from 4 hour body, which u can google and find a pdf.

the more i research about stuff the more confused i get. everything has drawbacks and downsides. finding out an optimal diet is very hard

For example, I love fruit and think eating lots of fruit is great for longevity as its raw and has many nutrients, but most fruits are full of sugar. Not to mention some of these fruits (oranges for instance) have components in them that bind to testosterone and render it inert.

Then going down the testosterone lane, if you want to boost it you have to eat lots of fat. Nuts, meats, omega 3s etc. But by eating these you raise cholesterol and there are other side effects as well.

ive always been in pretty good shape. im 6'0, oscillate between 172-182 pounds and am reasonably athletic. But I have tried versions of different diets in order to either put on a little more muscle, try to lose a little fat, try to increase testosterone or increase energy.

some diets ive experimented with:
1. Slow Carb Diet - This I found in the book the 4 hour body by Timothy Ferris. http://fourhourbody.com/ Basically no fruits, no pastas, no dairy, no sweets for 6 days a week. you are basically eating lean meats, fish, veggies, some complex grains, nuts and then one day a week you have a cheat day where you eat roughly 5000 calories and really go crazy. It was an interesting diet and I have seen people get results with it, but given that my body fat is probably around 12-14% it wasnt of much use to me to cut out all the things that have benefits in other areas for me.

2. Paleo diet - basicaly avoid grains, processed foods and dairy. Think this is ok in theory but I love carbs and have trouble cutting them completely out of my life. Not to mention my girlfriend is vietnamese and we eat asian food 10+ times a week. I try to eat certain meals paleo, like for example I go to whole foods salad bar, get some salmon or chicken with beets, kale and butternut squash, but I feel as if Paleo is missing fiber in the diet and could use more from beans and some grains.

3. Vegetarian/Raw - I included these together cause for periods of time I both tried to give up meat completely and then tried to give up all processed foods. I just found it too much work and I was giving up too much that I loved. I also think its lacking and people have to really consume a lot to get enough energy, protein and fats in their diet.


I think some combination/intersection of these 3 is probably correct. Eating mostly veggies with 5 servings of fish, 2-3 servings of grass fed beef and chicken, nuts, beans like lentils, and some non high sugar fruits like blackberries, apples, pears, avocados mixed in. I think this would be best for optimizing performance but fuck if i know. every time i hear a new diet i feel like im being invited to join a different cult.

paleo diet really became a fashion nowadays...
idk there are just as many cons as pros on the internet about it

one other thing i forgot is juicing. I dont drink OJ or anything like that, but probably 2-3 times a week I go get an apple+beet+kale+spinach+ginger+lemon juice. I think its the right combo of things that it isnt too much sugar and has plenty of nutrients.

posted everything before reading the thread, and just read it now. basically what drone said. just eat natural foods, dont overdo sugars or meats.

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Telling someone to eat paleo yet to avoid starch or "not eat to much of it" is hypocritical. Paleo is all about eating like our ancestors did and a huge majority of them got most of their calories from starch.
One of the few who didnt are the Inuit who are notorious for aging quickly.

Wat. No they got most of their calories from fat/meat/protein.

Ah I wasn't gonna argue. Not my favourite thing on the internet.

Also to marius, I'm not all that knowledgable about this but IBS is closely linked to poor gut flora. You should problaby focus more on that rather than reading 10 different sites that doesnt address your issues.
A new treatment for IBS is fecal transplants which is exactly what it sounds like Apparently most of whom have done it are pretty much cured instantly.

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just to be clear I think bread and rice and potatoes and pasta all qualify as real food in terms of my advice. but for anyone who wants to live healthily, following the 3 step guideline I quoted from some other guy whose name I don't remember is gonna do the trick. if you're trying to attain a certain very specific body type then other diets might be more suitable. ;p

Twisted, it all depends on where they lived. In cold climates where there was no plants to be had it was mostly protein/fat, whereas the closer to the equater you get the consumption of carbohydrates reaches 35-40% of their total caloric intake.

Actually I see that I exaggerated a bit now. But still, 40% calories from carbohydrate is still plenty. Please realize that a paleo diet does not automatically mean a low-carb diet.

colorful veggies, lean meats, complex carbs and you're set to go

throw in some fruits here and there and try not to stuff your face.

Although i'm pretty bad at the part of not stuffing face but i tend to keep a fairly balanced diet overall nowadays.

On January 15 2013 16:46 YoMeR wrote: colorful veggies, lean meats, complex carbs and you're set to go throw in some fruits here and there and try not to stuff your face. Although i'm pretty bad at the part of not stuffing face but i tend to keep a fairly balanced diet overall nowadays.

Does prime rib qualify as a lean meat?

Can't remember name of the book but I have recco'd before.

Some stuff I remember and like:

-Eat Food, Mostly Plants, Not too much.
-Stay away from ingredients you can't pronounce or don't know what the heck they are.
-Eat what your great grandparents would eat and/or

Eat like the French, Italians, Japanese, Indians, SE Asians aka places with very long standing food cultures and recipes with a lot of fresh (local) ingredients. How you eat can be just as important as what you eat. Ideally always eat in good company. Break bread, socialize, laugh, take your time. Basically, don't just mindlessly gobble down large portions of shit in front of the tv.

if i remember well, the book "Peak Performance Poker" has some tables/information and etc about this subject.

I second sweet potatoes and more leafy greens (kale, dark-leaf lettuce, spinach, etc.) also asparagus, cucumbers, and broccoli.



I like to make a bunch of sweet potato wedges and then reheat them throughout the week. I just toss sp wedges in oil and paprika (u could surely use something else) and bake them @~400-450 for 20-30 min.

Why are sweet potatoes perferred over regular potatoes?

Wouldn't sweet potatoes contain more sugar/carbs?

Much Lower GLycemic index.

On January 15 2013 12:35 cariadon wrote: What type of oil is that in the bottle? What do you use it for and what are the alternatives. Those eggs look straight off the shelf of a store, have you tried free-range eggs ? I find the ones i get from the market to be much better. What is your experience with dark bread, brown rice and mushrooms? Which type of coconut oil is good for you? What am i looking for if i go hunting for it. Do you steam your veggies, do you have that rice cooker aparatus and how do you fry stuff? What kinds of pans do you use? How much time do you spend on buying and preparing food in a week? You can add fun recipes in your blogposts for others to try. Also, afaik carbs are ok as long as you are active.

OHh, the eggs are from hens that are only fed vegetables and greens. It is from the shelf, but it's catching on great in popularity in Norway. (But I do like the sound of buying em fresh in a marked straight from a farm much better. Although I'd check up on the farm. Important that they can run around n stuff too. Most of the time they are trapped. But really strict regulations n stuff about that in Norway, but not sure about other countries).

I also don't eat the whole egg, I only eat the yolk, to get all the nutrients n stuff. I toss away the white slimey stuff.

Dark bread makes me bloated, I react very badly to bread. If you're the skinny type, you get easier rashes, ailments, inflamation, acne, stuff like that. The other way to react is to become fat/obese.

Also feel my brain works like shit. I get no pleassure from mental work if I eat bad. I only want to masturbate, play games, and joke around.

Brown rice can be good for some I think, but it has A LOT of fructans, so that means, 30% or so of the population should stay away from it. It will make u feel like poo.

The rice I've felt the most with is a combination of wild rice and rice you cook longer. (I think rice you cook short is poo, since it's pre boiled, and most of the nutrients are gone).

I actually love mushrooms, so it pains me that I don't eat it. I heard a lot of speeches about it doing bad stuff, something about blocking leptin, lectin? or something like that. Didn't quite get it, but I opened 3-4 diet pages, and checked, at the top of my mind. On the Bulletproof one, Mushroom is as far into the redzone as you can get.

But then again, he have had some mistakes before. Like I know he's going to redo the diet, and move white rice a little more to the green, and brown a little more to the red. And he's moving potatoes a far to the left, toward the green zone xD

I spend a bit of time. But the potatoes I cook in large batches, and I seal them in some plastic jars, so I can just add them when making steaks or salmon much easier. So it just takes a bit of time the first time you make a batch.

The rice takes 20 minutes though, but I make enough for 2 meals, and I put half the rice in a plastic bag, and do the same trick I do with the potatoes.

I spend maybe 40 minutes a day or something on the actual food making I think (on average).


The coconut oil, it says Cocosa on the front side. And I dont react badly to that, its just pure energy xD

On the back, it says: Mct, 100% refined coconut oil, no milk, no gluten, no konserveringsmiddel (like, synthetic stuff, or something like that), nothing added.


The vegetables I have running in water while I make the food, and eat them raw. I add lemon to em lol. I have been thinking bout steaming. But not done it yet. I want to steam it with lots of butter or coconut oil lol. Nomnom.



And this one is important I think. I NEVER EVER FRY STUFF. I try never to go over 180 degrees. I don't barbeque or fry any of the food. I cook it through, it becomes sick tasty and juicy, but the smoke never comes up black, or making anything charred. If you do that you'll feel like shit after uve eaten it. You'll make things get all toxic like, and ur body will have to react. And that's not good. So cook it at lower heat.

As for pans, I'm not sure what type. But I went all out on it, it cost me 200 dollar. I told em, I'd use it several times a day, and I want the best. And I went in detail what kidn of foods I was mostly making. And they sold me a big heavy one lol.
Here's a picture of it:

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And when it comes to carb. I am testing something new now. I know a lot of ppl say, go bonkers with carbs. But read some research on it. And it said that ur just lolling urself if you eat too much carb. I think somewhere around 500 - 700grams of calories from carbs is what you need a day. Anything over will just be a hassle for the body. Don't know if this is true for everyone or even accurate. But felt legit. I resonnate very well with sound. I'm pretty good at catching it with people are sincere. So think it might be worth testing. Just throwing it out there xD

On January 15 2013 12:35 cariadon wrote: What type of oil is that in the bottle?

100% pure olive oil

On January 15 2013 12:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: you're really overthinking it. eat real food mostly vegetables not too much of it and you will be great.

You fucker!!

(On a happier note, I have been thinking about getting into smoking some marihuana, n stuff like that. But never got around to it, all the places you do it, get hold of it in Mo I Rana is really, really dodgy. All the suppliers sell that, and they sell meth, cocaine, pills, prostitutes you name it. Don't really want to involve myself with anyone like that lol.

On January 15 2013 12:37 cariadon wrote: For fucks sake unwrap the meat =]

I can do even better, next time I go shop. I can bring my camera, and I can take pictures from the meat place I pick meats from. When I'm there I always pick a new type of meat, just to try it out. Kind of like a kind in a candy store xD

On January 15 2013 14:42 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2013 08:49 Mariuslol wrote:   On January 15 2013 08:10 uiCk wrote: i eat alot of fruits, and love pomengrenate. ze best and super healthy http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2038/2 The good: This food is very low in Saturated Fat, Cholesterol and Sodium. It is also a good source of Dietary Fiber and Folate, and a very good source of Vitamin C and Vitamin K. The Bad: A large portion of the calories in this food come from sugars. Hrmpffh, found some vods about the Prom Juice, some cheating n stuff. Advertisement bout it doing shit it don't do: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-pomegranate-juice-that-wonderful/ Anyway, I can only advise you to follow the paleo diet or a variant of it. You posted a link from Marksdailyapple, that dude knows his stuff. I'd say soak up everything he writes on that website and follow that rigidly. You'll see that the more you read, the more it makes sense even if it is against what most 'diet-guru's' would advise. And like Drone said; only eat real food. That's basically what paleo is about as well. Bread doesn't grow on trees or walks about, it's not real food, thus it's unhealthy. Eat: - vegetables (lots of em) Yay, I am, and I also try to hone in one the ones that are most nutrient dense. Like spinach n shit - fruit (some, should be seen as a delicacy that you don't eat too often too much) Yea, found that out. But felt it was cool to do some research to find out which one to stay away from. And focus a bit more on berries - meat (grass-fed beef, organic chickens are obviously best but also expensive/hard to get) Yea, I buy the meat fresh. Never in the shitty isle. And I have talks with the guy cutting it to make sure the animals are fed well n stuff xD - fish (do some extensive research which type of fish are healthy because a lot of them are really unhealthy) Ive done research on this as well. One of my best friends owns a big, huge company worth hundreds of millions. (Jacob pacob). And I have been questioning him about salmon a lot. The ones I buy are only out of the water for 4 hours before wrapped up. And its shipped immedeatly, and they eat crazy good - starch only if you're doing sports that day. You don't need starch if you're just walking/sitting about. You only need starch if you have to do intensive excercises. Best type of starch is probably sweet potatoes. Otherwise, regular potatoes aren't too bad. Allergic to sweet potatoes, but I found a nice Mandel type. It's got short duration, so it's less likely to get bacteria, mold n stuff. I feel really good after eating them. I have read recently about studies saying starches have a good effect on different diseases and illnesses. And since I react very well to potatoes, I think I need em - Extra virgin olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil, grass fed butter (do NOT use margarine, that stuff among other vegetable oils has caused heart disease to be almost non-existant to the #1 killer of mankind in the last 100 years). mm, *Nod*. That's how I Roll, fuck yeah - Nuts and nut oil. Don't cook in nut oil, it gets radical and raunchy, really unhealthy. Just drizzle it over your salad if you like that stuff. Peanuts are not nuts btw. After that it all depends on how strict you want to follow it. Anyway, I'm not gonna enter any discussions because we've had these topics before. I'll just say; soak up marksdailyapple.com and whenever you buy something in the store, ask yourself this; is this real food? And avoid E621 (MSG, mono sodium glutamate, taste enhancer) like the plague.

It would be a very short lived discussion in that case xD (Did you know that discussion came from latin, and it kinda means argue lol?).

Since I agree with 99,3% of what you said xD

(I just taken some Mark advices that's really burned me, but it wasnt his fault, it was me, for eating something with fructose in lol). But at the time I blamed him for not having a warning LOL. But he is awesome. And he's friends with a few of the other guys I read and listen to. So it's all good xD

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Mmmm bacon

On January 15 2013 15:37 Daut wrote: one other thing i forgot is juicing. I dont drink OJ or anything like that, but probably 2-3 times a week I go get an apple+beet+kale+spinach+ginger+lemon juice. I think its the right combo of things that it isnt too much sugar and has plenty of nutrients. posted everything before reading the thread, and just read it now. basically what drone said. just eat natural foods, dont overdo sugars or meats.

Just quoted this one, since it was a lot shorter than your long one.

I lolled, you're head is kind of where I am. A bit confused, but it seems to me you're doing better than most people on the planet when it comes to eating habits. So don't think you have to worry. I took the stupid approach. Where I literally almost had to die before I got to my senses and figured out I had to educate myself more about what I put in my food.

(When talking to a mate of mine who's not that bright, about food. I had to "tone it down" a bit. And I cleverly said something along the lines of this:

Think of a pretty hot/slutty girl. She likes to party, she likes to dress all slutty, go out, shake her moneymaker. But when it comes to which cock she wants, ohh noo, now she gets all picky, and she wants a certain kind. She wants there to be emotions, all kinds of crap.

But when it comes to what food she puts in here, the shit that merges with the body, enhances us, builds us up. Fuels our brain with energy, make new cells n shit like that. Anything goes. She dun care what she stuffs down her pie hole. Even if it's poison, if it makes her feel good, anything goes.

I think I really moved him, and it hit a core. Cus now he's "pestering" me all the time on facebook, asking what to buy next, telling me how awesome it is.


Ok, that had nothing to do with what I was going to say to you lol.

Where was I... Yea. I kinda dibbed around in almost the same diets as you. The biggest shocker at the start was finding out that excess fruit spiked your insulin, and it really fucked you up. So that whole thing "at least 5 fruit a day" was a big scam lol.

When I first started getting in trouble. I got put on a diet by my doctor with 5-10 fruits a day. I was literally throwing up, puking, all kinds of ailments. I was in a very dark place. I lost weight, I slept for 15 hours a day.

So pretty confused and a little scared that the people who are suppose to know better know so little lol. But I started reading, and found out pretty quit my body hated the fructose shit.


The slow carb diet sounds pretty good. But I don't like the sell out part at the end, one cheat day at the end of the week. That's bullshit I think. I think that's to get people on it, and stick on it. Some way to "trick" and have people chasing a carrot if they don't have the willpower/disipline to stick with a good diet.

I think it's much better to experiment with the healthy food, and find recepies, make that food taste amazing, instead of wasting a day, + you probably get drawbacks for the next few days. (But like Drone said, I'm way over thinking it xD).


I'm not sure how old the paleo diet is, but I think I heard about it in 2004. But I think it's like. When that came it was probably better than most normal diets. And then you have lots of bright people all over the planet (Like that Mark guy, who Twisted think is so hawt n sexy). Are testing it, looking at it. Then improving it, doing more reserach. Cleansing out the mistakes, and adding in better stuff.

That Dave Asprey guy, even said it himself. He looks at his diet as Paleo 2.0. Since his idea (probably not his LOL). Was to take that diet, then remove all the things which had anti nutrients, and too high toxin levels. Stuff like that. And stuff that made your insulin spike too high, something about the leptin/lecin. Which I still don't get. But it's got something to do with your brain and is really important n stuff lol.


One of the hardest things I've ever done was cut out dairy and grains. I literally became extremely depressed. I was almost shaking. I could at will get tears in my eyes. Every inch of my body wanted to drink cold milk, have a slice of bread. Some pasty. But I read that it circulates in your bloodstream, is in your body for quite a while, the residues from it. And you think you "love" it. But it's a trick.

I think I struggled for about a month, maybe just 3 weeks. Maybe just wrote a month to sound more badass than I really was. But I think I know how it must feel to cut out heroin, cut out alcohol if you're an alcoholic now lol. So fucking hard (pardon my language).


I really like your Shake thingy, I get all jealous. Can't drink that. But I really feel in my stomach, that apples are bad for people. So remove the apple, put another one which is awesome. And I think it'll be even better xD (But you don't have to, if you like apple, I won't judge!!).

On January 15 2013 15:29 dnagardi wrote: paleo diet really became a fashion nowadays... idk there are just as many cons as pros on the internet about it

I agree slightly with the sentiment (really hope I'm using that word right, cuz I felt awesome writing it xD).

HOWEVER!!! DAGANA!!


I think, it is MUCH MUCH better, to test, try shit, that might be really good for you. Compared to testing shit that might be really, really bad for you.

On January 15 2013 16:16 Twisted wrote: Wat. No they got most of their calories from fat/meat/protein. Ah I wasn't gonna argue. Not my favourite thing on the internet.

Ur really good at it, all factual n shit xD

On January 15 2013 16:23 Jussi wrote: Also to marius, I'm not all that knowledgable about this but IBS is closely linked to poor gut flora. You should problaby focus more on that rather than reading 10 different sites that doesnt address your issues. A new treatment for IBS is fecal transplants which is exactly what it sounds like Apparently most of whom have done it are pretty much cured instantly.

I am, I am testing a way to cure it naturally. Why all the supplements. And I have a list of more supplements I need a clear go signal from my doctor before I take action. I also have written up all the stuff about gut flora to give to my doctor. I have appointment today at 13:15.

I also subscribe to an IBS forum, and I am spending a bit of time learning about adrenal fatigue. I have spent maybe 50.000 hours playing video games, and maybe 15.000 hours masturbating to internet porn. So maybe they are a little fucked up.


I'm not too sure if I like the poop idea. Hmm.. Maybe if it was longplepoop, but even that is stretching it.

On January 15 2013 16:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: just to be clear I think bread and rice and potatoes and pasta all qualify as real food in terms of my advice. but for anyone who wants to live healthily, following the 3 step guideline I quoted from some other guy whose name I don't remember is gonna do the trick. if you're trying to attain a certain very specific body type then other diets might be more suitable. ;p

I want to be bigger than Erling. So whenever I Feel like it, I can lift someone up and toss em (at least 3 feet, maybe even 4).

And like, if we're at a party, and I'm pulling all the honeys, you get all jealous n moody, perhaps start talking smack behind my back (unintentional rhyme lol). I'll just inhale a lot of air. (To make myself look even bigger). Squint a little with my eyes and give you "the look". And you'll know... You'll know....

On January 15 2013 19:55 Rapoza wrote: mine training diet from 4 years ago was mostly sweet potatoes + chicken breast Show nested quote + On January 15 2013 17:52 RiKD wrote: -Eat Food, Mostly Plants, Not too much. -Stay away from ingredients you can't pronounce or don't know what the heck they are. -Eat what your great grandparents would eat sry but pretty shitty advice, burn dat book plz

But he makes up for it in the end with how you eat the food, and the socializing part. I think that's really under valued xD. Most eatings are done as a chore, or strictly pleasure, almost always whilst watching tv, or multi tasking.

On January 15 2013 19:56 Endo wrote: Mmmm bacon

I've been playing around with some bacon as well.

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Tried making a salmocon. It's when you mix salmon and bacon.

On January 15 2013 08:52 2c0ntent wrote: Just looking @ OP It seems like a pretty solid hunt but you need a greater variety of vegetables (note: potatoes and other starches are not among the vegetables I'm recommending). Get MORE COLORED vegetables along with some leafy greens. I'd also cut the rice out entirely. (disclosure: I ate rice yesterday and again 2 months before that. the reason I recommend against is that rice doesn't really accomplish anything outside of spiking insulin and fucking up your body's processes) What purpose are starches serving in your diet? Your body doesn't need that stuff, really.. and most human diets contained hardly any of the stuff until the proliferation of potato farming pretty recently. What benefit is consistently exposing your body to chronic, mega doses of vitamin C providing you with?

Regarding rice: basmati rice and brown rice. They've got medium glycemic index solving your insulin levels problem.

regarding your view on apples as bad:



this chart is Dave Asprey's. I take everything he says with a grain of salt, but i think if you avoid most of the high sugar fruits on the far right you are fine. i love bananas, but try to eat mostly stuff towards the left side of this picture

wait so peas have more sugar than strawberries???

On January 15 2013 21:02 Daut wrote: regarding your view on apples as bad: this chart is Dave Asprey's. I take everything he says with a grain of salt, but i think if you avoid most of the high sugar fruits on the far right you are fine. i love bananas, but try to eat mostly stuff towards the left side of this picture

Yea, I have that template on my desktop, along with a few others. But he's said so himself that chart is quite outdated. And he's almost done making the new one. So apples will be redder in that one I think. Since all the talks from brainy guys bout what too much fructose does to you. And I probably am quite biased since I react so badly to it.

Also a lot of new information on potatoes, so it will be greener.

Most my food is on the green side. All the fats are. Also the meat and fish, which is a big part of it xD

Also only use the spices that are on the far left, as his recommendation. Makes a lot of sense his reasonings for it. Avoid spices that's been laying around often. Buy sealed ones, and don't have them over where you cook food, since it will heat up over and over.

I use Dill, Cinnamon, Parsley, Lavender, Ocean Salt, Oregano and Thyme every day.

edit meh gona read all before posting i think :O

also, is that bacon in the first pic ??? bottom right...lol

Astounding amount of research about fructose is BAD for you in the amounts we take em, cut it down, by a lot is the word on the street. Not bright enough to understand most of the talks I listen to, but I feel like I "get the gist of it".

Lots of good discussion in this thread.

I think the optimal diet is balanced with few refined foods. I try to align my beliefs with the research but it can be difficult to determine the facts in some cases.

On January 15 2013 21:32 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: also, is that bacon in the first pic ??? bottom right...lol

I'm testing a new one, it's almost just fat. It's from our city, like 2km away from here, wanted to test it out. I "often" test 1-3 new things when I buy lots of stuff. So not vouching for it lol.

blah, I was going to test out peas, never had them before.

I bought it because I used this site:

http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consu...ategory=Proximates&nutrientID=FRU

Peas have REALLY low fructose (0,3g/100g), but my dad came by, and I forgot to click in on it and check the natural sugars, fuck!!

http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consu...mp;action=getFood&foodID=13A11462

So, they are a big no no for me. I guess I'll text my brother and give him some peas xD (I always give him the stuff I didnt like, or react to lol).

On January 15 2013 21:42 goose58 wrote: Lots of good discussion in this thread. I think the optimal diet is balanced with few refined foods. I try to align my beliefs with the research but it can be difficult to determine the facts in some cases.

I think most of us are primed in, from what our parents feed us, we just assume it's good. And also the commercials, that don't enter our mind. But we just had pleasant memories from them. They are often made with "better graphics", better music, and are either witty or clever.

In Norway, bread commercials, and especially dairy commercials reign. And people soack that shit up like no tomorrow. Which I guess makes sense. But the Goverment ain't always looking out for us. Just look at soda. I think it's semi common knowledge. There's like 60 + chemicals we know will give cancer, of a certain amount of time, or depending on how much dosage. And I think most sodas have around 15 of those.

Kinda sick that it's endorsed the way it is. Same goes for tobacco, and some of the alcohol types I guess.

Don't have an answer though, but it feels, if its on tv, and lots of commercials for something. Like Pizza's n stuff. It's a BIG red signal, telling you to stay the fuck away.

I seriously wouldn't worry about fruits that are high in sugar, whether potatoes are bad, people are really over complicating things on this thread.

-find your own personal balance between indulgence and eating for exceptional health/fitness/longevity
-eat a variety of vegetables fruits and grains to get a good supply of micro nutrients for your body daily
-eat lean sources of protein, the best is probably fish, then poultry preferably turkey then chicken, eat red meat only occasionally (around once a week probably)
-the worst thing you can probably consume is sugary beverages ex. soda, sweetened iced teas, etc.

people don't get overweight because of "carbs" , "starches", or sugary fruits, it's people with poor genetics or people that don't prioritize their health over other things. It's the the 7-eleven big gulp, eating half a bag of Oreos at once, super large portions of nacho chili cheese fries, eating fast food more than once a week, going out and getting hammered every weekend, etc. that's going to fk you up in the long run. Don't think of it as "bad foods" or "good foods", don't put energy in founding out how grams of what you should eat, what's good source of antioxidants, etc. if you haven't learn how to prepare whole food, home-cooked meals for yourself first. First steps to better health is to develop a routine, eat a wholesome breakfast every morning right when you wake up, bring food to work from home, and then making a vast majority of your dinners instead of relying on takeout.

Personally for breakfast ill try to eat either oatmeal, or eggs and toast for breakfast. My carbs for every other meal consists of yams, couscous, whole grain pasta, brown rice, or white rice and my proteins are either tuna, sardines, swai, tilapa, whiting, egg whites, ground turkey, chicken (white and dark meat cuz fk it), and lean red meat like eye of round steaks. I can do way better on the veggies but i mostly rely on bag of mixed frozen vegetables. I also get lazy and have a protein shake as a meal. I only drink water/coffee/tea, if I want something flavored I have a bcaa/glutamine supplement powder I mix with water and they got flavors like fruit punch/grape/blueberry etc.

Ok, so about IBS, there is new development on synthetic fecal, so people who don't mind gnawing on meat, boiling up eggs, spreading lactated butter on their food but feel poop is gross, that is a future option.

About constipation, it's entirely based on poor water and fiber intake. You want to stop being chronically constipated? Drink a small glass of water before a meal. Take a break halfway through the meal and drink water. After the meal, drink water. Now you will be eating 2-3 main meals a day, meaning 4-6 cups of water. Your water needs for the day are complete, as you will get water from other sources as well. If you eat 4-5 small meals a day, you won't need as large of glasses since volume of food will be lower per meal. End result, no more dehydrated, hard, clumpy, hemorrhoid inducing constipation.

Fiber

Fiber is the holy grail of your entire metabolism. Nearly every person does not get enough fiber in their daily diet and the fiber they get is poor quality/same components. How does fiber help your metabolism? Fiber helps regulate absorption of fats, sugars, your insulin levels, keeps food moving and allows evacuation of indigestible food-potential toxins, which also helps gut flora. So, what is the most common fiber in a diet, innulin-root fibers/additives. You need more than that, so all this talk eat whole real foods is good, veggies, but you need more than veggie fiber. You need legumes, lentils, nuts. These shouldn't be a snack food, these should be a staple, part of every single day.

Now, about added sugars, yes they are poor, they tax the body, however, Fiber very much helps to regulate sugars, regardless if from candy/fruits. The more Fiber you eat, the less sugars will hinder your metabolism. That means, don't over eat sugars from candy-additives, but don't stress out over having some sugary thing from time to time. In regards to Fruit sugars, your Fiber intake will be more than capable of handling the sugars from them in most servings.

Fiber does not need to be packed on in every single meal because it stays around in your gut for a while. Eating a high fiber, high protein, veggie, fruit shake in the morning will help all day long.

Fruit

I already talked about how fiber interacts with fruits and sugars, so now it's time to think of fruits as something more than sugar. You want to find components that help regulate other functions in your body. Banana's aren't perfect, as avocados provide much higher levels of potassium, however, they are a good convenient source of potassium which is very important in regulating you balance of sodiums. The vast majority of people have a ratio of sodiumotassium X:Y where X>Y, however, flipping the balance to Higher concentrations of potassium v sodium is ideal for health from a cellular level (You can read up on the biochemistry if you want). So, adding bananas, or other drinks, foods, anything with higher concentrations of potassium will go a long way.

Polyphenols. We can talk about those all day long, about the biochemistry, absorption rates, yadda yadda, but the end result is, you are better off eating as many as you can even if it happens to be neutral outcome than not eating them and we find the result in 50 years from now that they do support longevity. So, again since fiber is regulating the sugars, you need to obtain blueberries, the cherries, blackberries, raspberries, bananas, avocados.

Vegetables

that has been talked about a lot, most all know the facts of nutrient so I won't talk about that, however, there are some timings for when to eat certain vegetables that haven't been talked about, which coincide with the topic of fitness.

Fitness

You need to raise your heart level up each day, allow your muscles to work, blood to flow, flush some toxins through perspiration, exercising goes deep into the cellular level, metabolism, however, exercise also increases levels of free radicals. So, here ties in with nutrition, veggies, reducing post-workout free radicals should be your #1 thought. You can google more foods for that but an example is eating water cress post meals. Do not think because your diet is so well balanced that your breakfast/lunch/dinner carries over towards a following workout because so far it seems it does not work that way. You need to eat free-radical reducing meals directly after strenuous workouts. Just as you want to replenish carbs and proteins, you need free radical reduction as well.

Protein

Most people do not get enough protein in their diet when the are trying to stay away from poor foods, poor meats, as well, most people do not get the highest forms of protein, otherwise known as complete proteins. You find complete proteins from sources like Quinoa, milk products, eggs, nuts, meats however, liquid form protein has the highest absorption rates and the body uses liquefied protein the most optimally. That is why quality work outs usually revolve around pre/during/post protein shakes. You can, as well, maximize your breakfast by shaking instead of eating a sit down meal, or trying to build up all the essential components. It is highly desirable to throw up a shake of greek yogurt, casein/whey, blackberries/cherries/blueberries, various veggies like broccolli/spinach/kale/edamames, matcha, cinnamon, flax seeds, various ground up powder sourced veggies, probiotics, water, coconut milk/oil.

Finding lean meat makes the difference between good and poor meat. You should basically eat Bison meat if available instead of Lean beef, as Bison has a much better composition and is something like 75% less fatty

Nuts

Protein, omegas, fiber, minerals, eat them. Eat a mixture of Pistachios, almonds, walnuts (unsalted obv) daily. Eat them in with salads if you lack a meat source, as you need fats to absorb the nutrients from raw leafy greens, no fats in a salad and your salad is mostly a waste of your time.

Oils/spices/Probiotics/minerals/vitamins/teas

Spices and oils help with regulation of metabolism, fat concentrations, digestion, gut flora. You want cinnamons, turmerics, there are lots of them (google will help). Oils, you want the very high quality oils like extra virgin olive oils, Oils with balsamic vinaigrettes should be your dressing on all salads. As stated before, you need the fats for nutrient absorption from veggies. The balsamic vinaigrettes are pH related, which you might have read on pH balancing in the stomach/gut flora. It's a part of the system too but can google pH stuff. Probiotics, as most people know are important, however, most die before reaching the intestines, rendering them useless. You need HIGH concentrations, with large variability in the sources of probiotics, like 10+ different strains + 10+billion in a serving. You generally want to eat them at some point before feeling hungry or 2+ hours after eating food, otherwise, the stomach acid concentrations destroy everything. Basically you can never get enough probiotics and gambling with them throughout the day helps to at least get a small concentration through the acids and into your gut flora.

You should mostly avoid Iron supplements for men, as our diets already have enough and too much iron has negative effects. D3 should be in everyone's diet daily, as it is nearly impossible to overdose, nearly every is deficient in some way or another. Omega's are most definitely important, I source now through Krill, on top of the omegas from nuts. A diet rich in the fruits I mentioned will increase a lot of the B vitamins which are hard to get, taking multivitamins on top of this (without iron) is usually the easiest way to just get those magnesium, zinc, etc etc.

And you should have a caffeine source in there as well, sourced through green teas (lots of tea choices) but also Matcha is a pretty good go to, as you ingest the plant, getting polyphenols, etc.

Random additions:

I can't think of many more things, other than you need to get a source of complete proteins daily, source of testosterone from bison, eggs, edamames are soy based however a lot of research seems to show you can eliminate the negative soy effects from other nutrients in your diet (for instance brocolli might stop soy from reducing your testosterone levels). So I kept edamames in the diet because they provide a great plant protein/fiber source per gram. Substituting all your rice meals with Quinoa probably has a 100% ev, as rice can have very high levels of Arsenic, depending on preparation and location in the world, you are subjecting yourself to arsenic. The west v east prepare rice very differently and the west's way is inferior resulting in much higher levels of arsenic (google more on preparing rice, but main idea is long soaks, slow cooking). Don't char things, don't eat charred food, unfortunately the caramelization that tastes so good in meats and veggies, everything, results in massive free radicals concentration.

End result, you are going to die anyways, your genetics makes up a lot of it, so how much longer you will live is entirely none calculable, however, the stress/anxiety of worrying about it probably has a more -ev result

oh and yes, I do believe in reducing or avoiding wheats, grains, glutons and should not be a part of any staple in your diet

Why would you avoid mushrooms ?

Its interesting how this subject overall changed from calories + exercise + willpower VS sugar/insulin levels/Glycemic index etc in just a few years

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On January 15 2013 21:56 Mariuslol wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2013 21:42 goose58 wrote: Lots of good discussion in this thread. I think the optimal diet is balanced with few refined foods. I try to align my beliefs with the research but it can be difficult to determine the facts in some cases. I think most of us are primed in, from what our parents feed us, we just assume it's good. And also the commercials, that don't enter our mind. But we just had pleasant memories from them. They are often made with "better graphics", better music, and are either witty or clever. In Norway, bread commercials, and especially dairy commercials reign. And people soack that shit up like no tomorrow. Which I guess makes sense. But the Goverment ain't always looking out for us. Just look at soda. I think it's semi common knowledge. There's like 60 + chemicals we know will give cancer, of a certain amount of time, or depending on how much dosage. And I think most sodas have around 15 of those. Kinda sick that it's endorsed the way it is. Same goes for tobacco, and some of the alcohol types I guess. Don't have an answer though, but it feels, if its on tv, and lots of commercials for something. Like Pizza's n stuff. It's a BIG red signal, telling you to stay the fuck away.

Personally, I think there is just so much ignorance in regards to health and nutrition. Hopefully that will change in the future.

On January 15 2013 21:02 Daut wrote: regarding your view on apples as bad: this chart is Dave Asprey's. I take everything he says with a grain of salt, but i think if you avoid most of the high sugar fruits on the far right you are fine. i love bananas, but try to eat mostly stuff towards the left side of this picture

The problem with this graph is that it isn't based on relevant research. Feeding rats or humans isolated fructose or HFCS is not the same thing as consuming raisins or fruit, etc. For example, raisins contain vitamins/minerals/fiber/polyphenols. Together, this changes the equation.

I think most dietitians would agree that bananas and raisins are healthy, and I think most studies show positive effects of fruit/dried fruits on health. Mushrooms also have evidence of positive health effects.

Canned fruit might be an issue because most of the cans lining contain BPA, which is scary stuff.

On January 16 2013 02:25 goose58 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2013 21:02 Daut wrote: regarding your view on apples as bad: this chart is Dave Asprey's. I take everything he says with a grain of salt, but i think if you avoid most of the high sugar fruits on the far right you are fine. i love bananas, but try to eat mostly stuff towards the left side of this picture The problem with this graph is that it isn't based on relevant research. Feeding rats or humans isolated fructose or HFCS is not the same thing as consuming raisins or fruit, etc. For example, raisins contain vitamins/minerals/fiber/polyphenols. Together, this changes the equation. I think most dietitians would agree that bananas and raisins are healthy, and I think most studies show positive effects of fruit/dried fruits on health. Mushrooms also have evidence of positive health effects. Canned fruit might be an issue because most of the cans lining contain BPA, which is scary stuff.

Here is a link to where that graph/color thingy is taken from: http://www.bulletproofexec.com/the-co...llustrated-one-page-bulletproof-diet/

Too tired to go through it now, just woke again lol. Think there's link to a lot of research to back up some of the claims. But like Daut said earlier, it's a little outdated, and a few things are being switched around.

I'm bbl. Just read Highcards post, and got too little time to reply atm.

hehe I remember reading about low-carb food and low glycemic food like 6 years ago... Even thou I was a clueless idiot about the subject I used to get into arguments with low-calorie + exercise/willpower people. And they would respond to me '' OMG IDIOT, YOU ARE FAT BECAUSE YOU ARE A LAZY FUCK THAT JUST LIES DOWN ON BED EATING POTATOE CHIPS AND BACON ALL DAY, GO OUT AND JOG FOR 5 MINUTES AND MAYBE U WILL LOSE A FEW POUNDS'' if i mentioned any of this

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Eating healthy has always been and still is my biggest problem as an athlete, I just haven't been able to find healthy food that taste good enough to compete with steak and potatoes or pastas. All that no corn/gluten free alternatives to regular food tastes like horse shit so I often find myself throwing in an few extra hours at the gym just to make up the difference in diets. Don't get me wrong I love me some fruits and veggies but as snacks or side dishes and generally not prepared the "healthy" plain way.

good ?

should be wary of anything zero cal imo.

Why would you buy "food" with no calories? Such a waste of time and money.

mmmm guilt free noodles

I had 3 packets of Shirataki noodles in the fridge, just noticed they've been thrown out and i never got to try them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirataki_noodles

I fucking love me some persimmons.

On January 18 2013 12:39 VanDerMeyde wrote: good ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucomannan

it's considered dietary fiber, which as I stated does everything that the wiki says. As those effects aren't related to glucomannan, but actually to fiber. So, since the composition is water/glocumannan, that would be a good dietary staple.

Also, I wanted to add that when I originally said water during meals would hit your water needs, I meant total body water needs, however, that doesn't exactly to snacks, like eating nuts or having a banana. You need to have some water with every single food you eat, even fruit generally do not provide enough water and can have a negative effect towards constipation.