Yup

i think alot of people at micros make the mistake of playing flip poker. those hands are pretty spewy btw. like the QQ hand you are just hoping he has a FD+ pair or something for 2 bi. and the 3 bet on the river when you have KJ is sooo obv a boat

On February 04 2011 23:34 julep wrote: i think alot of people at micros make the mistake of playing flip poker. those hands are pretty spewy btw. like the QQ hand you are just hoping he has a FD+ pair or something for 2 bi. and the 3 bet on the river when you have KJ is sooo obv a boat

obv. a boat? what? the vast vast majority of people will be raising hero on the flop. the way villain played it seriously surprised the shit out of me

Well there is aggressive history between all the villains in the 3 hands I posted. However, it's very viable for me to fold all three. My mistake was not using a stop loss. Would you fold these hands after being down 12 buy ins?

good point

all 3 of those are terribly played.

if you play a lot of hands like that i think we may have found the reason for your 50 buyin downswings. reevaluate your game dude.

stay positive, keep value ownin;

Julep and Jolin are right. You shouldn't really be flipping at these limits. People suck too bad for that ( and i don't care wtf dynamic you have, it's still retarded ). And yes, as Jolin said, these hands are played very badly. And to say that "Would you fold these hands after being down 12 buyins?" Yes the fuck I would. If you tilt that easily, then poker isn't for you. Also, your downswings are way too fucking big for the limits you play. Its not bad beats that's doing it. It's your spew. If you cut out most of the spew, you can still take plenty of bad beats (trust me) and still be positive for the session/week/month or w/e. Also, you say that you have aggressive history, but why does that mean you should be making the decisions that you are? It's much more likely that you're misinterpreting the dynamic that you have with people; therefore, you should quit creating/contributing to these dynamics because you're clearly owning yourself
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On February 04 2011 23:39 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2011 23:34 julep wrote: i think alot of people at micros make the mistake of playing flip poker. those hands are pretty spewy btw. like the QQ hand you are just hoping he has a FD+ pair or something for 2 bi. and the 3 bet on the river when you have KJ is sooo obv a boat obv. a boat? what? the vast vast majority of people will be raising hero on the flop. the way villain played it seriously surprised the shit out of me

His point has much more to do with the river. He's not shoving over a river c/r with a fucking straight or trips. It's a boat or quads, and the only time it's ever anything else is versus handicap retards. If the person flats his raise, then opwest probably (but not even always) had the best hand. Like if i had 1010 and i get c/r on the river I'm not gonna fucking reshove like this villain did because to do that you have to know that villain would value c/r this river very thinly and call a shove lightly (which just isnt fucking happening given the texture), or, from your perspective, that he'll 3bet shove as a bluff after you make a committing c/r (yeah fucking right) . It's much easier to just bet the river and fold to a raise/shove because it tells you the same fucking thing and you set your own value. I mean people even check behind A10 or AJ and worse here. Why the fuck is he checking. And if he's checking, it should be to bluff catch because there are plenty of hands here that have SD value and won't bet the river. He should be value betting this river every time because 1) he loses value when villain checks behind and 2) what the fuck is he hoping to get called with by c/r the river?!?!?!? QK or QJ???? or is he hoping to fold out a chop or hoping to fold out worse?!?!? Q9s isnt even in his range very often. He folds this on the turn much more often than he does QK or QJ.

Edit: Also, if the "vast majority" of people are raising this flop w/ middle set, then they surely aren't 3bet shoving the river now are they?

Also, I don't know your playing stats, but just to help you out a little: From your graph it appears that you bet too much and call too much. If you notice, when your red line shoots up, your SD winnings take a huge dip. And when your non showdown winnings take a slight dip or stays steady, your SD winnings go up (as do your total earnings).

ouch that's brutal =/

stop loss is very good indeed, especially on Rush where everything happens so fast. It's like tilting on a HU-table, catastrophic.

Oh yeah those last 3 hands were horrid. That's why I quit immediately after. The only reason I posted them was to show that I lost control. What I didn't post were the other hands where I was legitimately coolered (LOL except for the 3 way all in PF with my AA vs KQ/AQ and I lose ). Also, the flips were all standard (My AK vs QQ vice versa or my top two vs two overs and FD). I used to not tilt so bad - I'm not sure what happened last night but thanks for the criticism.

Also, the reason my SD/NSD winnings were like that was because I didn't get any of my hands paid off. I c/r a set 4x on a drawy flop and got a fold every single time. I don't think my AA/KK/QQ went to showdown in a 3 bet pot when it was good more than twice.

Do you have anything that you could do in between sessions that might help with tilt? For me, I start to lose focus after ~3 hours of straight grinding (LOL weak), so I like to take a break to play computer games or go to the gym or something. It's a good thing to do even if you aren't tilting yet because it gives you a chance to breathe and clear your mind for a second, and make sure that you're still thinking critically about the game when you come back to the tables. Also, if you have anybody that can give you coaching sessions, you should record the coaching sessions and go back and take notes on them afterward because it can be hard to retain all of the information purely from memory.

You can also write down any interesting hands in a notebook or something, then go look at them right after the session or before your next one. Sometimes it's good to get your thoughts on certain hands written down. This way when similar situations arise, you're more comfortable/familiar and can play the hand more optimally/quickly

On February 05 2011 04:28 DaTruf wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2011 23:39 devon06atX wrote:   On February 04 2011 23:34 julep wrote: i think alot of people at micros make the mistake of playing flip poker. those hands are pretty spewy btw. like the QQ hand you are just hoping he has a FD+ pair or something for 2 bi. and the 3 bet on the river when you have KJ is sooo obv a boat obv. a boat? what? the vast vast majority of people will be raising hero on the flop. the way villain played it seriously surprised the shit out of me His point has much more to do with the river. He's not shoving over a river c/r with a fucking straight or trips. It's a boat or quads, and the only time it's ever anything else is versus handicap retards. If the person flats his raise, then opwest probably (but not even always) had the best hand. Like if i had 1010 and i get c/r on the river I'm not gonna fucking reshove like this villain did because to do that you have to know that villain would value c/r this river very thinly and call a shove lightly (which just isnt fucking happening given the texture), or, from your perspective, that he'll 3bet shove as a bluff after you make a committing c/r (yeah fucking right) . It's much easier to just bet the river and fold to a raise/shove because it tells you the same fucking thing and you set your own value. I mean people even check behind A10 or AJ and worse here. Why the fuck is he checking. And if he's checking, it should be to bluff catch because there are plenty of hands here that have SD value and won't bet the river. He should be value betting this river every time because 1) he loses value when villain checks behind and 2) what the fuck is he hoping to get called with by c/r the river?!?!?!? QK or QJ???? or is he hoping to fold out a chop or hoping to fold out worse?!?!? Q9s isnt even in his range very often. He folds this on the turn much more often than he does QK or QJ. Edit: Also, if the "vast majority" of people are raising this flop w/ middle set, then they surely aren't 3bet shoving the river now are they?

i expect villain to reraise aa/qq preflop basically always. i expect villain to reraise pocket 10s on this flop or turn basically always (protect from obv. straight draws, flush draws). as the hand played, the only 'logical' hand that villain could have here that beats us is q10 and MAAAAYBE 1010 (altho slim chance imo, for reasons previously mentioned). and since it's for a little over 100 big blinds, i don't see how this is so horrible at all. as you said, this is nl50 - nothing fancy. yes, villains will call w/ qj and kq on the flop, and possibly turn (better players will probably fold w/ his bet sizing). on river, if i have trips here, i think it's best a good % of the time. just because villain played the hand weird as fuck doesn't mean it was horribly played. i mean, wtf - look at the munchkin bet he threw out.. you're not shoving over when this happens to you? the only part of your post i really agree with is that he should be valuebetting river, and not c/raising

basically, any hand that beats us now (aa, qq, 1010, aq, q10, slim chance of 44) will be raising their hand at some point to protect it usually (with the exception of q10 maybe). is it really that common for you to find players who play mid-set on a hugely drawy board like this?

the other two hands are quite bad though, i agree.