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Mariuslol Norway. Jan 19 2010 03:54. Posts 4742 | | |
For some reason forgot to update it, been a few days, instead of adding the bottom half in the other entry, I just post the whole thing here.
Quitting
" Quitting is the one poker topic that touches our regular lives the most directly and most often."
"It is the demarcation between poker and non-poker."
Toughing it out
- The difference between normal manual labour and poker is that, when you do feel out of your A game, and don't feel up for it, you can still do the work, and get a paycheck at a normal job. In poker, you will lose money.
- Everytime you feel out of your game or damaged, you shouldn't necessarily quit. If you're a professional
"This whole quitting topic is deeply complex because each person is different, and each person is changing all the time."
(Just tossing out wide area of nets)
- Each individual needs to learn to know/feel themself good when they aren't on their A game, and what might bring them close to it, or how to refocus.
From Tommy's book:
I have always had very strict policies when it comes to quitting, even when I first started playing poker. Back then I had two main quitting rules that I never broke. I would always quit if I was out of money and nobody would lend me any, and I would always quit if everybody else did.
Taking Breaks
*Very important topic*
- Possible to recharge your engine, back to your A game if it's started to detoriate.
- Usually people take breaks because they want to pee, disturbances, get food so forth
- Really smart to take breaks just to take a break, because you been sitting for too long, you're starting to become flusterd, harder to focus, so forth.
"Walking away is easy. The hard part is standing up."
If you really wanna take on quitting as a skillset, as a new challenge, body of work that you're gonna undertake. The way to do that is thinking of taking a break, as quitting practice, because everytime you're taking a break, you're going away from the table.
(Only practicing the act of walking away in the middle of the table.)
What to do on breaks
*Start thinking of your beaks in a completly different way, you're not taking a break to do anything, you do it to remove yourself from teh game, physically, and mentally, and this takes effort.*
- Doing something that takes your mind off the game
- Just concentrate on the act your doing, on yourself, concentrate on the present tense and what's going on, do the breathing.
- If you play online, It's never smart to play more than 1hour to 1hour30min, take a break, do something, do sit ups, push ups, something.
- The reason why after we've sat down, feel fresh and sharp, playing our A game, then after 1 hour, 2 hours, we just feel, deteriorated, exhausted, flusterd is because we've accumulated mental stuff.
(Like an accumilation of weights, baggage.)
- Take breaks when you feel good. (We have a tendency to take breaks when we feel like shit.) Do it before desperate time.
EVERYTIME YOU TAKE A BREAK, YOU ARE QUITTING
- Have to practice quitting when it's really difficult.
Use the "object of the game" concept to practice quitting.
Quitting "lopping off the C game"
"Lopping off the C-game has such enormous long term effects."
- On your well being, happiness, bankroll, friends, family, so forth.
- We tend not to think in long term, but saving the cash you "waste" end of long session is huge. Lopping off the C game which starts to creep in
"I see quitting as a tool to use toward this higher objective of loppinf off the C game."
"If you want to lop of C-game, you need to trim back the end of your worst sessions."
I was about to go play poker at a local casino. I hadn't slept all that well but I had showered and walked and I had convinced myself that I was good to go. I was at the door, saying goodbye to my wife, when this big yawn opened up on my face.
Wife: "Are you sure you want to go play right now?"
And I'm like, "Yes."
And she said, "Well, of course you know if you are ready or not. I'm just saying, it's never wrong to not play."
It's never wrong to not play.
It's never wrong to not play.
I let those words melt over me for a second. Then I walked to my desk and wrote them down, and stayed home.
Stack size matters
- If the only one with same stacksize is to your left, good idea to quit (Both of you 200bb.) Ideally, you want him to your right.
- If players who are better than you are deep, the worse ones have small stacks, good idea to quit as well. (If not weigh heavily to your decisions.)
Stop losses
- Completly personal, it's about knowing yourself, it's about knowing when you need one, and actually doing it.
- If you get rid of your tilt, you don't need a stop loss.
"You can't fix tilt with stop loss."
- Stop loss are only related on how big your bankroll will be in comparisontment to not stopping.
- A lot of people tilt really bad when they're stuck, stop loss is not only a good idea, it's essential, until they get their tilt under controle.
"Long range stop loss strategies are a good thing."
- Stop losses are a great idea for they who need em.
Quitting: Earn rate matters
"Good quitting requires seeing deeply into ourselves and being able to analyze our actual performance at each moment."
Quitting, pain, tilt and fear
- Quit, and relieve our suffering at poker, so we can play again. When we quit well.
- When you know you're a good quitter, gives you a level of safety and security. When you're not afraid of having those terrible sessions, because you know you'll be able to quit, that relives the fear of that pain.
"From Elements of poker"
I think of quitting as a skill set unto itself, with branching subsets of skills for each type of quitting situation. There's knowing how to quit at limit games, and there's knowing how to quit at no-limit. There's knowing how to quit when you have a curfew, and when you don't. There's being able to quit when you're ahead, and when you're stuck. There's quitting when you feel good, and for when that doesn't happen, you need to know how to quit when you feel bad.
Quitting is a skill, it's a poker skill, it's one that you can work on, it's one that very few people do work on. This isn't on how to play poker, this is how to be a poker player, quitting is becoming a poker player.
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| | I was about to go play poker at a local casino. I hadn't slept all that well but I had showered and walked and I had convinced myself that I was good to go. I was at the door, saying goodbye to my wife, when this big yawn opened up on my face.
Wife: "Are you sure you want to go play right now?"
And I'm like, "Yes."
And she said, "Well, of course you know if you are ready or not. I'm just saying, it's never wrong to not play."
It's never wrong to not play.
It's never wrong to not play.
I let those words melt over me for a second. Then I walked to my desk and wrote them down, and stayed home. |
wife: *fist pump "yessssss!"
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Oddeye Canada. Jan 19 2010 04:17. Posts 5103 | | | |
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Silver_nz New Zealand. Jan 19 2010 05:06. Posts 5647 | | |
yup, good stuff, thanks. I bet this really helps you alot too.. I should make notes like this |
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Acckerman United States. Jan 19 2010 14:43. Posts 725 | | |
always love to read ur posts |
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