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edzwoo   United States. Nov 03 2008 10:47. Posts 5911
I cannot beat NL25. It sucks when you kill half your roll playing it, grind up like $300~ in SNGs to get rolled for it again, constantly get rivered over and over and over until you're down almost 10 buyins.






Here are some interesting statistics for my last 8000 hands in NL25:

My biggest losing hand is AKo (lol set magnet) at -$77.70

There are only 4 pocket pairs that I profit with.


Rofl at set < oversets and draws.

And to top it off, I can't even look at my holdem manager allin EV graph and feel better about being good and just unlucky because hands like this don't count:

Submitted by : edzwoo

PokerStars Game #21724037853: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/03 9:52:58 ET
Table 'Anacostia IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: droppie75 ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 4: LiLZhiMiNG ($26.70 in chips)
Seat 5: edzwoo ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Duff@Poker ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: U.S.Tuermer. ($23.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Lornk ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: Ninja_Gambit ($34 in chips)
U.S.Tuermer.: posts small blind $0.10
Lornk: posts big blind $0.25
loescha: sits out
VolkerRachow: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to edzwoo KcKd
Ninja_Gambit: calls $0.25
droppie75: calls $0.25
LiLZhiMiNG: folds
edzwoo : raises $1.25 to $1.50
Duff@Poker: folds
U.S.Tuermer.: folds
Lornk: folds
Ninja_Gambit: calls $1.25
droppie75: calls $1.25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4.85)

   2c6s5c
Ninja_Gambit: bets $0.75
droppie75: calls $0.75
edzwoo : raises $4.25 to $5
Ninja_Gambit: calls $4.25
droppie75: folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $15.60)

   2c6s5c6c
Ninja_Gambit: bets $2
edzwoo : raises $7 to $9
Ninja_Gambit: calls $7

River (Pot : $33.60)

   2c6s5c6c9d
Ninja_Gambit: bets $10
edzwoo : calls $9.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.50) returned to Ninja_Gambit

Showdown
Ninja_Gambit: shows 8h7c (a straight, Five to Nine)
edzwoo : mucks hand
Ninja_Gambit collected $50.05 from pot

Summary
Total pot $52.60 | Rake $2.55
Board  2c6s5c6c9d
Seat 2: droppie75 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: LiLZhiMiNG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: edzwoo mucked KcKd
Seat 6: Duff@Poker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: U.S.Tuermer. (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Lornk (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ninja_Gambit showed 8h7c and won ($50.05) with a straight, Five to Nine



And hands like this are, "WOAH, I CAN'T CALCULATE 3WAY ALL INS SO I'M GONNA SAY YOU GOT MAD LUCKY AT GETTING MONEY ON THIS ONE":

Submitted by : edzwoo

PokerStars Game #21719764642: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/03 3:16:26 ET
Table 'Palamedes IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PiS.AA ($51.05 in chips)
Seat 2: CUbuffs818 ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 3: levoson ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 4: crapschick ($19.90 in chips)
Seat 5: IpityU ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 6: stakrw ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Edo_the_kid ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Sky1967 ($37.85 in chips)
Seat 9: edzwoo ($55.65 in chips)
levoson: posts small blind $0.10
crapschick: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to edzwoo 8h8s
IpityU: raises $0.25 to $0.50
stakrw: folds
Edo_the_kid: folds
Sky1967: calls $0.50
edzwoo : calls $0.50
PiS.AA: calls $0.50
CUbuffs818: calls $0.50
levoson: folds
crapschick: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2.85)

   8cTs6c
IpityU: bets $1
Sky1967: calls $1
edzwoo : raises $3 to $4
PiS.AA: folds
CUbuffs818: folds
IpityU: raises $3 to $7
Sky1967: calls $6
edzwoo : raises $13 to $20
IpityU: raises $0.65 to $20.65 and is all-in
Sky1967: calls $13.65
edzwoo : calls $0.65

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $64.80)

   8cTs6cAs
Sky1967: bets $16.70 and is all-in
edzwoo : calls $16.70

River (Pot : $98.20)

   8cTs6cAsQc

Showdown
Sky1967: shows 9dQd (a pair of Queens)
edzwoo : shows 8h8s (three of a kind, Eights)
edzwoo collected $33.40 from side pot
IpityU: shows TcTh (three of a kind, Tens)
IpityU collected $61.80 from main pot

Summary
Total pot $98.20 Main pot $61.80. Side pot $33.40. | Rake $3
Board  8cTs6cAsQc
Seat 1: PiS.AA folded on the Flop
Seat 2: CUbuffs818 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: levoson (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: crapschick (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: IpityU showed TcTh and won ($61.80) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 6: stakrw folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Edo_the_kid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sky1967 showed 9dQd and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: edzwoo showed 8h8s and won ($33.40) with three of a kind, Eights



I know I have leaks and of course have a lot to learn, but I really don't understand why I'm losing at NL25. Am I just running bad and getting coolered all over the place like I think I am, or am I doing something horribly wrong?

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Sheitan   Canada. Nov 03 2008 11:10. Posts 4217

top 3 sessions you play 13/7. you're a nit, open up your game. Also you misplayed that KK hand, your raise is improper.

Odds are exactly 50%, either happens or it doesnt  

lachlan   Australia. Nov 03 2008 11:41. Posts 6991

PokerStars Game #21724037853: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/03 9:52:58 ET
Table 'Anacostia IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: droppie75 ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 4: LiLZhiMiNG ($26.70 in chips)
Seat 5: edzwoo ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Duff@Poker ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: U.S.Tuermer. ($23.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Lornk ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: Ninja_Gambit ($34 in chips)

bad table selection

full ring 

LiLZhiMiNG   Australia. Nov 03 2008 12:14. Posts 637

hahahaha nah I'm a fish man, I have also been getting owned at 25NL lately....nomore shots at 50NL either...but my graph different to yours edzwoo....my EV is +ve but actual winnings is like 10BI -ve -_-; hate running bad...this month I'm -ve 4BI in all-in EV for 25NL over 9k hands...but yeah see you on the tables edzwoo

 Last edit: 03/11/2008 12:15

Funktion   Australia. Nov 03 2008 12:48. Posts 1638

I decided to do a challenge of winning 10 BI at each level starting at NL25 yesterday, thinking this will only take a few hours. I now want to kill myself. My normal level is NL100 and NL200, I only play 6max:



So don't feel to bad. At least you can improve, I am stuck with my luck. So close at 5k hand mark, so close.


rockman255   Canada. Nov 03 2008 15:44. Posts 4471

this is my life trying to shoot at nl100

so if you are hating nl25, get used to this for later shots

rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no 

k4ir0s   Canada. Nov 03 2008 15:52. Posts 3480

I know what you mean, I've been doing pretty bad at 25nl lately to. Its so depressing...The weird thing is, when I was more of a fish, I played like 15/12 at 25nl FR and won 15bb/100 over ~15k hands, maybe we just have to open up our game? Also have you tried playing less tables?(4-6)

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -OlyLast edit: 03/11/2008 16:06

reggiemiles   United States. Nov 04 2008 03:26. Posts 133

standard variance.

shove turn hand #1

standard cooler hand 2

I ran into quads once and had set over set twice in my last session...and still made 2 buy-ins


Funktion   Australia. Nov 04 2008 06:22. Posts 1638


  On November 04 2008 02:26 reggiemiles wrote:
standard variance.

shove turn hand #1

standard cooler hand 2

I ran into quads once and had set over set twice in my last session...and still made 2 buy-ins



Get back to me when you run into not only 2 set over sets blind vs blind but also flop nut straight twice and lose to runner runer fullhouse twice. Or flop sets twice and lose to runner runner flush twice. All in under 2k hands. Enjoy.


 



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