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PplusAD   Germany. Feb 03 2008 07:23. Posts 7182
3rd round of UFC 81
Nogs groundgame was just incredible amazing.

Okay Sylvia is not a good groudn fighter , but the whole setup of nogs submission was just amazing
3-4 shoot takedown tries -> half guard takedown ->leg sweep -> side control position -> north south position -> guillotine attemp -> submission

This was like a short chess game and Nog totally hardcore outplayed Sylvia in every move he made.

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U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)Last edit: 03/02/2008 07:25

NotSorry   United States. Feb 03 2008 08:08. Posts 2603

It was a great fight and showed just how fucking tough Nog is, he was taking some very solid shots in the first. Mid way into the 2nd he found his range on Tim and won the round just purely out boxing him. If the sub never happened Nog was very well on his way to winning a UD just from stand up. Tim was getting slow by the start of the 3rd there was no way he was doing anymore than surviving till the 5th.

I make this statement now. Now that Nog has the title there isn't a single fighter in the UFC currently that can take it from him. I will be betting my BR on his every fight no matter how bad the line looks. Nog is simply that far ahead of the competition, and with that solid rock chin you don't have to worry about fluke KOs.

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. 

RavaGe   United States. Feb 03 2008 08:43. Posts 375

did you see that he was actually going for an arm bar, he had steped over sylvia's head, sylvia recognized it and turned and nog threw in the guillotine and pulled guard, it was fucking spectacular!


NotSorry   United States. Feb 03 2008 09:11. Posts 2603

Yea Nog is known for setting up subs in combos, You see him going for one, you D and he has 2-3 more than you just put yourself into. As someone that trains BJJ its just fucking insane to watch. I've trained with Gracie black belts who can't think that many moves ahead.

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PplusAD   Germany. Feb 03 2008 09:28. Posts 7182

I dont think he did go for an armbar as masterplan here. ( ofcourse the movement looks like an opening for an armbar)
He had several moves in mind when he stepped over sylvias face.
Just look at his right arm and how he holds sylvias left arm with it.
You cant make an armbar here since the hand needs to be inside sylvias arm to step around and finish ( he grasps it from the outside though)

You can clearly see he instantly let the armbar go the millisecond he could feel movement by sylvia ( nobody could let an armbar go that fast without intending to let it go from the beginning)

This all lets me to the assumption he never really intended to go for an armbar in the first place and just moved it as an opening for other submissions

maybe i am wrong since my BJJ is medicore
But i ve trained this step over head move into armbar quite a bit

And it normally works when your right arm is inside under the left arm of the opponent.

U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)Last edit: 03/02/2008 09:33

RavaGe   United States. Feb 03 2008 10:01. Posts 375

the arm trap and step over are textbook sidemount armbar! look he has the arm underhooked and pulled towards him(though the underhook is from a weird ass angle) shit if they had a gi on he'd be gettin ready to pull the pants toward him haha. i think he does have the ability to let the move go as soon as he felt the movement. sylvia stuck his neck out there for him when he rolled to his back, i think nog has the ability to recognize that and react, though you could be right, third round and all, easy to slip out of an arm bar not as easy to slip out of the guillotine


NotSorry   United States. Feb 03 2008 10:18. Posts 2603

It's not a standard straight armbar, when he goes up for a 4-point stance you can use the step over and roll with him landing an armbar, I was running this drill not even two weeks ago after one of my trainers did it too me. That's what I thought he was planning when I first saw it, then he stopped and went for the choke instead.

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.Last edit: 03/02/2008 10:19

bane   United States. Feb 03 2008 11:15. Posts 2379

yeah just watched the fight and once it went to the ground it was over but who didnt really expect that


 



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