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PoorUser    United States. Jan 15 2013 20:01. Posts 7471
im having an argument with a friend. in poker, what does in a vacuum mean

does in a vacuum mean over infinity hands x play is ideal
or
does in a vacuum mean in this specific hand

not trolling --

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lebowski   Greece. Jan 15 2013 20:08. Posts 9205

doesn't it mean "by default"?
edit: I mean "without specific info"

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MiPwnYa    Brasil. Jan 15 2013 20:13. Posts 5230

I think it means
in this specific spot without considering our overall strategy or balance at all


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 15 2013 20:19. Posts 8648

yeah i've always used it as meaning "in this hand, your default play without taking any extraneous variables into account should be x"/"in a vacuum, you should do x".

i don't think either of the examples are precise definitions of the phrase =o

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DooMeR   United States. Jan 15 2013 20:27. Posts 8544

the simplest way to express it would be. no outside factors influencing the decision.

definitely doesn't mean over infinity hands x play is ideal UNLESS we mean to say that cbetting K73r board against a fish is the best play "in a vacuum".
the difference here being the same play always or the same play whenever there is a fresh slate or something not interfering with how that person will react to the hand.

so context matters here.

and obviously in a vacuum could mean a specific hand. depending on context either can be right

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player999   Brasil. Jan 15 2013 20:28. Posts 7978

over infinity hands x play is ideal

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PoorUser    United States. Jan 15 2013 20:30. Posts 7471

yeah just for clarification when i said 'ideal' i really meant without knowing anything special to tell you otherwise [which i consider to be the same thing as what should be ideal]

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mnj   United States. Jan 15 2013 20:41. Posts 3848

thought it meant your vanilla, bread and butter line, with no reads.


mnj   United States. Jan 15 2013 20:42. Posts 3848

was so excited about a pu blog


eestwood   United Kingdom. Jan 15 2013 20:58. Posts 698

imo its "optimal strategy for specific spot/ situation" without adjusting to player specific stuff (reads / gameflow / image / etc)

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Mortensen8   Chad. Jan 15 2013 21:16. Posts 1841

Readless.

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NewbSaibot   United States. Jan 15 2013 21:16. Posts 4943

the word itself is kinda self-explanatory, vacuum = absence of something, deprivation. Vacuum of information, i.e. very first hand vs a total unknown player going allin preflop with AJ is a leak.

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whaackum   United States. Jan 15 2013 21:19. Posts 1586


  On January 15 2013 19:42 mnj wrote:
was so excited about a pu blog



same here...

Thinks it means something along the lines of "having no influence from outside variables"

I guess over infinity hands the in a vacuum play should always be right? and in one specific hand the in a vacuum play might not be right because of all the variables.

Not sure if it helps but glgl

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 15 2013 21:35. Posts 4742

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 15 2013 21:35. Posts 4742

If we ad ing to it.

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 15 2013 21:38. Posts 8648


  On January 15 2013 19:30 PoorUser wrote:
yeah just for clarification when i said 'ideal' i really meant without knowing anything special to tell you otherwise [which i consider to be the same thing as what should be ideal]



i think the key point is the explicit preclusion of other factors, not the number of hands.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Jan 15 2013 21:48. Posts 6540

in this exact situation.

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Bigbobm   United States. Jan 15 2013 23:46. Posts 5511


  On January 15 2013 20:48 wobbly_au wrote:
in this exact situation.



i read it as this.

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 16 2013 00:37. Posts 4742

Me to, me to, but I think I have specific instead of exact. Just to be different.


goose58   United States. Jan 16 2013 02:33. Posts 871

I've always interpreted the phrase "in a vacuum" to mean "ignoring meta-game". No or few variables.


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in a vacuum
without any connection to other people or events



http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+a+vacuum


 
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