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                            PoorUser      United States. Jan 15 2013 20:01. Posts 7472 |    |  |  
                            im having an argument with a friend.  in poker, what does in a vacuum mean 
 
does in a vacuum mean over infinity hands x play is ideal 
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does in a vacuum mean in this specific hand 
 
not trolling -- 
 
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                            lebowski   Greece. Jan 15 2013 20:08. Posts 9205 |    |  |  
                            doesn't it mean "by default"? 
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                            MiPwnYa      Brasil. Jan 15 2013 20:13. Posts 5230 |    |  |  
                            I think it means 
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                            bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 15 2013 20:19. Posts 8649 |    |  |  
                            yeah i've always used it as meaning "in this hand, your default play without taking any extraneous variables into account should be x"/"in a vacuum, you should do x". 
 
i don't think either of the examples are precise definitions of the phrase =o  |  
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                            DooMeR   United States. Jan 15 2013 20:27. Posts 8563 |    |  |  
                            the simplest way to express it would be. no outside factors influencing the decision.  
 
definitely doesn't mean over infinity hands x play is ideal UNLESS we mean to say that cbetting K73r board against a fish is the best play "in a vacuum". 
the difference here being the same play always or the same play whenever there is a fresh slate or something not interfering with how that person will react to the hand. 
 
so context matters here.  
 
and obviously in a vacuum could mean a specific hand. depending on context either can be right  |  
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                            player999   Brasil. Jan 15 2013 20:28. Posts 7978 |    |  |  
                            over infinity hands x play is ideal  |  
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                            PoorUser      United States. Jan 15 2013 20:30. Posts 7472 |    |  |  
                            yeah just for clarification when i said 'ideal' i really meant without knowing anything special to tell you otherwise [which i consider to be the same thing as what should be ideal]  |  
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                            mnj   United States. Jan 15 2013 20:41. Posts 3848 |    |  |  
                            thought it meant your vanilla, bread and butter line, with no reads.   |  
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                            mnj   United States. Jan 15 2013 20:42. Posts 3848 |    |  |  
                            was so excited about a pu blog    |  
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                            eestwood   United Kingdom. Jan 15 2013 20:58. Posts 702 |    |  |  
                            imo its "optimal strategy for specific spot/ situation" without adjusting to player specific stuff (reads / gameflow / image / etc)  |  
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                            Mortensen8   Chad. Jan 15 2013 21:16. Posts 1846 |    |  |  | 
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                            NewbSaibot   United States. Jan 15 2013 21:16. Posts 4948 |    |  |  
                            the word itself is kinda self-explanatory, vacuum = absence of something, deprivation. Vacuum of information, i.e. very first hand vs a total unknown player going allin preflop with AJ is a leak.   |  
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                            whaackum   United States. Jan 15 2013 21:19. Posts 1586 |    |  |  
                            
 
 |   |  On  January 15 2013 19:42  mnj wrote: 
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same here... 
 
Thinks it means something along the lines of "having no influence from outside variables" 
 
I guess over infinity hands the in a vacuum play should always be right?  and in one specific hand the in a vacuum play might not be right because of all the variables. 
 
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                            bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 15 2013 21:38. Posts 8649 |    |  |  
                            
 
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yeah just for clarification when i said 'ideal' i really meant without knowing anything special to tell you otherwise [which i consider to be the same thing as what should be ideal]  |  
 
  
 
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                            Bigbobm   United States. Jan 15 2013 23:46. Posts 5512 |    |  |  
                            
 
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in this exact situation.  |  
 
  
 
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                            Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 16 2013 00:37. Posts 4742 |    |  |  
                            Me to, me to, but I think I have specific instead of exact. Just to be different.  |  
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