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When Epicness meets Determination by MARSHALL28, November 15


Today, I will be writing a blog post about the day that epicness and determination met, and became one. LOL, sorta.

*****Just to warn you right now. THIS IS LONG. It'll probably take 15+ minutes to read, so stop now if you don't wanna get involved. You've been warned.****

I've never quite played a session like this one I just finished less than an hour ago, but I have to say I think it definitely says something about me, my drive, and my talent. This makes me feel optimistic about the future. I also think that others may gain some inspiration from it, so for those reasons, plus the reason that I would like to be able to come back and re-read this in a couple months or a year or a couple years, I want to have it written down for personal access.

So this particular session began about 34 hours before my writing this post, on 12AM, Sunday, November 15th. It was the day immediately after I had my huge breakthrough at 3/6 where I won 14k over the course of two days, and it spanned 33 hours straight... No breaks except for quick runs to the bathroom and kitchen, I never logged off, and never sat ot for more than 4-5 minutes at a time. I played a total of 24,469 hands and played somewhere between 8-14 tables the entire time--I've never even come close to doing anything like this before.

The session started going out well, I was up early a quick and easy 2200 was already lining my pockets. That is, until the first stumbling block on this journey arrived. I lost what may have been the biggest pot of my life.

My opponent had been VERY aggressive, and his 3bet stat said he was 3betting 40% of the time. Almost, if not all o fthem were to my opens. I decided to defend w/ the 45s in position 250bb deep. I flopped an OESD on a dry ten high flop: T32r. My only thought at this point was, an Ace on the turn would be the most beautiful card I've ever seen. And oh it was. I wasn't sure if I should raise my opponent's turn bet right then while holding the nuts, or try to string him along. The main thing though tthat went through my mind was that his turn sizing appeared to be relatively small, which would leave him with just about exactly a pot sized shove on the river. This generally would indicate to me that my opponent is attempting to do his best to give himself the most folding equity he possibly could have garrnered. The river was another duece pairing the board. Another thing I though here was that since he was 3betting 40% he probably values AK and AA VERY VERY similarly here. Anyways, I made the river call pretty quickly and was shown the bad news.

Seat 1: zimp721 ($630)
Seat 2: MF28 ($1,501)
Seat 3: 2BOO2BOO ($1,839.90)
Seat 4: FoldTOcash ($1,821)
Seat 5: tinhcong ($554.60)
Seat 6: FishyFish12 ($570)
tinhcong antes $1
zimp721 antes $1
FoldTOcash antes $1
FishyFish12 antes $1
2BOO2BOO antes $1
MF28 antes $1
2BOO2BOO has 5 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO posts the small blind of $3
FoldTOcash posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [4h 5h]
tinhcong has 15 seconds left to act
tinhcong calls $6
FishyFish12 folds
zimp721 folds
MF28 raises to $24
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO raises to $96
FoldTOcash folds
tinhcong folds
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 calls $72
*** FLOP *** [3d Tc 2s]
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO bets $124
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 calls $124
*** TURN *** [3d Tc 2s] Ac
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO has requested TIME
2BOO2BOO bets $270
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 calls $270
*** RIVER *** [3d Tc 2s Ac] 2h
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO has requested TIME
2BOO2BOO bets $1,348.90, and is all in
MF28 calls $1,010, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $338.90 returned to 2BOO2BOO
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2BOO2BOO shows [Ad As] a full house, Aces full of Twos
MF28 mucks
2BOO2BOO wins the pot ($3,015) with a full house, Aces full of Twos
MF28 adds $1,200
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3,018 | Rake $3
Board: [3d Tc 2s Ac 2h]
Seat 1: zimp721 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: MF28 (button) mucked [4h 5h] - a straight, Five high
Seat 3: 2BOO2BOO (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won ($3,015) with a full house, Aces full of Twos
Seat 4: FoldTOcash (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: tinhcong folded before the Flop
Seat 6: FishyFish12 folded before the Flop


Of course I was a little rattled, but I'm a professional, I've got to accept and KNOW that those types of thigns are going to happen and I must get over them as quickly as possible if I want to be the best I can be. After losing a coinflip and a couple other pots, I was down about 1k or so, but this is clearly no big deal at all for 600nl. I felt like I was keeping my compusure decently enough to continue and that things would continue to be fine.

...Bur then it happened. I'm not sure I can describe it in words. I've actually read it in a number of poker books: "Some day you will run worse than you ever could have imagined, as bad as things may or may not be now, someday they will be 50-500x worse." That's obviously not verbatim, but it's what I remember reading. Well, I've played nearly 1.5million hands and I'd have to say that that time came for me this session.

It wasn't like I was getting cold decked or no cards, that wasn't the case at all. I was making plenty of hands. The problem was, whenever I made a hand and tried to bet it, all that would happen is I would get zero action. I must have flopped 6 or 7 sets and had my opponent (who was the pfr) check/fold the flop every time. So since for some reason I was unable to get anybody to put money in the pot by calling me down or raising me when I had a hand, I started barreling all my bluffs and taking trappy lines with all of my bigger hands. Here is a SHORT sample of how those went. --The funny thing is here, there literally was not one time that I attempted one of these traps that my opponent did not suck out on me to something obscure on the river.....


PokerStars Game #35350343604: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/14 10:55:37 PT [2009/11/14 13:55:37 ET]
Table 'Mauritia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Pokerblom ($723.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Jenn415 ($743.50 in chips)
Seat 4: curtains ($111 in chips)
Seat 5: Marshall28 ($951.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Chisness ($108 in chips)
curtains: posts small blind $3
Marshall28: posts big blind $6
M0n3y0nf1r3: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [Qs As]
Chisness: folds
Pokerblom: folds
Jenn415: raises $12 to $18
curtains: folds
Marshall28: raises $42 to $60
Jenn415: calls $42
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8h Ah]
Marshall28: checks
Jenn415: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 8h Ah] 6d
Marshall28: bets $72
Jenn415: calls $72
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8h Ah 6d] 5s
Marshall28: bets $148
Jenn415: raises $463.50 to $611.50 and is all-in
Marshall28: calls $463.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jenn415: shows [7d 9d] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Marshall28: shows [Qs As] (a pair of Aces)
Jenn415 collected $1488 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1490 | Rake $2
Board [Ks 8h Ah 6d 5s]
Seat 2: Pokerblom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jenn415 (button) showed [7d 9d] and won ($1488) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 4: curtains (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Marshall28 (big blind) showed [Qs As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Chisness folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Really? 7 9 ???


Oh yeah I remember, I loved this one. my opponent didn't suck out, he turned the nut straight, and I "sucked out" to the second nut straight on the river.....


PokerStars Game #35334342105: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/14 2:20:24 PT [2009/11/14 5:20:24 ET]
Table 'Nephele II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Shiko19 ($1735.50 in chips)
Seat 2: SmokedYou ($751.50 in chips)
Seat 3: innerpsy ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: x_Slowrollin ($495 in chips)
Seat 5: Marshall28 ($702 in chips)
Seat 6: wasabi71 ($2374 in chips)
Shiko19: posts small blind $3
SmokedYou: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [7c 6c]
innerpsy: folds
x_Slowrollin: folds
Marshall28: raises $12 to $18
wasabi71: folds
Shiko19: raises $42 to $60
SmokedYou: folds
Marshall28: calls $42
*** FLOP *** [8c Kd 9s]
Shiko19: bets $72
Marshall28: calls $72
*** TURN *** [8c Kd 9s] Qs
Shiko19: checks
Marshall28: checks
*** RIVER *** [8c Kd 9s Qs] 5h
Shiko19: bets $156
Marshall28: raises $414 to $570 and is all-in
Shiko19: calls $414
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marshall28: shows [7c 6c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Shiko19: shows [Js Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
Shiko19 collected $1407 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1410 | Rake $3
Board [8c Kd 9s Qs 5h]
Seat 1: Shiko19 (small blind) showed [Js Ts] and won ($1407) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: SmokedYou (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: innerpsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: x_Slowrollin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Marshall28 showed [7c 6c] and lost with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 6: wasabi71 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Oh yeah, this one was lovely....

PokerStars Game #35358960425: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/11/14 14:17:00 PT [2009/11/14 17:17:00 ET]
Table 'Janina III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: King0288 ($210 in chips)
Seat 2: duffer122 ($148 in chips)
Seat 3: nanonoko ($428 in chips)
Seat 4: Marshall28 ($542.30 in chips)
Seat 5: pvjack ($290.45 in chips)
Seat 6: LosSababa ($560 in chips)
King0288: posts small blind $2
duffer122: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [9d 9s]
nanonoko: folds
Marshall28: raises $8 to $12
pvjack: calls $12
LosSababa: folds
King0288: folds
duffer122: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 6s 7c]
Marshall28: checks
pvjack: bets $20
Marshall28: calls $20
*** TURN *** [4d 6s 7c] 2h
Marshall28: checks
pvjack: bets $40
Marshall28: calls $40
*** RIVER *** [4d 6s 7c 2h] 7h
Marshall28: checks
pvjack: bets $96
Marshall28: calls $96
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pvjack: shows [7s As] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Marshall28: mucks hand
pvjack collected $339 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $342 | Rake $3
Board [4d 6s 7c 2h 7h]
Seat 1: King0288 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: duffer122 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: nanonoko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Marshall28 mucked [9d 9s]
Seat 5: pvjack showed [7s As] and won ($339) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: LosSababa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I'd have to say I think this next one is my favorite ... It was maybe the 6th or 7th trap I was attempting and was just sitting there looking at this board thinking ... there's just NO WAY this guy has any kind of chance of outdrawing me here, but lo and behold.....

PokerStars Game #35359914630: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/14 14:39:07 PT [2009/11/14 17:39:07 ET]
Table 'Tavastia III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Marshall28 ($1148.40 in chips)
Seat 2: JABOOOOO ($651 in chips)
Seat 3: Shiko19 ($930.15 in chips)
Seat 4: justeville ($455.70 in chips)
Seat 5: YourDoom ($639.90 in chips)
Seat 6: dhousesonfir ($300.20 in chips)
dhousesonfir: posts small blind $3
Marshall28: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [7c 7h]
JABOOOOO: folds
Shiko19: folds
justeville: folds
YourDoom: raises $12 to $18
dhousesonfir: calls $15
Marshall28: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [2h 7s 2s]
dhousesonfir: checks
Marshall28: checks
YourDoom: bets $36
dhousesonfir: folds
Marshall28: calls $36
*** TURN *** [2h 7s 2s] 6c
Marshall28: checks
YourDoom: bets $78
Marshall28: calls $78
*** RIVER *** [2h 7s 2s 6c] Jh
Marshall28: checks
YourDoom: bets $130
Marshall28: raises $886.40 to $1016.40 and is all-in
YourDoom: calls $377.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($508.50) returned to Marshall28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marshall28: shows [7c 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces)
YourDoom: shows [Jc Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Deuces)
YourDoom collected $1294.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1297.80 | Rake $3
Board [2h 7s 2s 6c Jh]
Seat 1: Marshall28 (big blind) showed [7c 7h] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Deuces
Seat 2: JABOOOOO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shiko19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: justeville folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: YourDoom (button) showed [Jc Js] and won ($1294.80) with a full house, Jacks full of Deuces
Seat 6: dhousesonfir (small blind) folded on the Flop


Here's one more, I'm not going to make this a whole list of every bad beat, I just want to get the point across.....


PokerStars Game #35329661804: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/13 21:50:23 PT [2009/11/14 0:50:23 ET]
Table 'Nephele II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Marshall28 ($1066 in chips)
Seat 2: gregy20723 ($600 in chips)
Seat 3: RIPP hasso ($571.20 in chips)
Seat 4: FrAnWaN ($1392 in chips)
Seat 5: TableATM ($1052.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Gkastone ($600 in chips)
Marshall28: posts small blind $3
gregy20723: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [Ah Jh]
RIPP hasso: folds
FrAnWaN: folds
TableATM: folds
Gkastone: raises $12 to $18
Marshall28: calls $15
gregy20723: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 3h 2h]
Marshall28: checks
Gkastone: bets $30
Marshall28: calls $30
*** TURN *** [2d 3h 2h] 6h
Marshall28: checks
Gkastone: bets $84
Marshall28: calls $84
*** RIVER *** [2d 3h 2h 6h] Kd
Marshall28: checks
Gkastone: bets $132
Marshall28: raises $802 to $934 and is all-in
Gkastone: calls $336 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($466) returned to Marshall28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marshall28: shows [Ah Jh] (a flush, Ace high)
Gkastone: shows [Kc Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
Gkastone collected $1203 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1206 | Rake $3
Board [2d 3h 2h 6h Kd]
Seat 1: Marshall28 (small blind) showed [Ah Jh] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: gregy20723 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: RIPP hasso folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: FrAnWaN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TableATM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Gkastone (button) showed [Kc Ks] and won ($1203) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces


Okay so this next part of the story is where it gets a little ... strange to say the least. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this at any online poker table before. I've heard stories of a player named Scout who logs onto mid-high stakes PLO tables and just starts open potting and jamming at every opportunity because he's rich and likes to gamble--I've never actually seen that with my own eyes, but I saw something very similar this past night. A player named CHCHEALY somehow arrived at one of the--I don't know maybe 14 tables I was sitting at--and it didn't take long for me to notice... This player was playing 48/42 and happened to be open shoving roughly 35-38% of his hands. Here's the other thing... He somehow had 6 buy ins ($2400) in front of him when I joined the table. I had direct position on him, so needless to say, I was salivating at the chance to win back a good amount of the 6 or 7k I was already down on the day by this point.

Things started off at this table almost identically to how they had been going for the earlier part of the session. Just about the only times CHCHEALY decided to fold rather than open shove happen to be the times I had AK/AQ/88/AJ. This theme continued over and over, it was maddening. Meanwhile, as I'm folding and watching, he's very quickly built his 2500 into over 5k!

I personally ended up getting all in with him 12 times. I won't list the entire hand histories to avoid the hassle, although they went IN ORDER as follows:

My 55 vs his QJo on QJ8-Q-J
My 88 vs his A4o on J32-5-4
My AQo vs his Q8o on Q42-6-8 ... brutal river.. I'm down 1200 to him already, but next one...
My AJo vs his AKo on 926-T-A ... I guess he's gotta pick up a hand at some point.

This next one is ultra devastating
So I had AA against his A9hh and the flop comes JT4hhh. Need I say more? I'm down 2k to him now in 5 hands. But there's more....
Next is my A8dd vs his K9o on QJ4-3-T. Down 2400.

Finally, we reach a point of salvation.
I pick up the KTss vs his 44 and the board runs out 863-K!!!-Q
So I'm back on the map at this point and actually have a shot at winning a decent chunk of change back.

That is of course until I pick up AJo and SNAP his open shove for 210bb to stare at his A4o and watch the board run out 753-8-6. Dirty.

This is all happening meanwhile I'm basically watching him donate my money over to the rest of the table. He did beat me one more time, then I got him twice to end with a net result of -2k.

I have to say though, it was rather impressive watching this guy sit there and continue gambling for more and more money as he kept winning. He just kept open shoving no matter how deep the stacks were. He ran it up to well over 5k, and was back down to zero maybe 20-30 minutes later.


So, at this point it's a little after midnight, 6 hours into the session, and I'm stuck 9100$.
However, this is where I got my second wind. A few things went my way, I got it in bad and sucked out, and momentum started to turn in my direction--I'm the type of player who thrives big time on momentum, if I can get momentum running in my direction, there's no one I'm afraid to take on and no one I wont put to the test. Over the next 6,000 hands I had gotten all of it back but 3100$.

This means I starrted with a 2k upswing, then went into a 11k downswing, and now I was on the upside of a 6k upswing. And as you will be able to see in the graph (because I will post it), this is where the major disparity begins between my all in EV line and my Winnings line. They separate at one point up to 5k. Between hands 12,000-20,000 I should have been winning, however my green line dropped like a rainstorm back down to -10,000$ for the session.

I had been playing for over 20 hours straight, I was down 5k in EV adjusted and 10k overall. How would you feel about your time spent? How would you feel about yourself? Would you want to give up? Or would you want to prove to yourself that you could do it? Personally, I hate giving up. And I hate hate hate admitting defeat. This time, I refused to quit, and I turned a -10k day into a positive 2.5k. I have to say, it feels damn good to have kept my cool, rode out the rough patches, stuck to my guns, and behaved like a true professional.

--Disclaimer--I'm sure some of you are going to say "don't be a moron, use a stop loss." I agree and I do often use a stop loss, but there are other things at work here. I, along with quite a few other players and friends do believe that there are times when, even though the odds appear against you, your power of will and desire to succeed are so strong that they are much more important than any inconsequential short term variance or your temporary maleable mental state. Obviously I will always admit that in this frame of mind after losing 10k I will never be playnig my A+ best game, But with a little momentum, a lot of times, I definitely believe I have pushed through it in the past and will continue to be able to do so in the future.

Anyways, as I stare at my graph (see bottom) documenting the 33 hours of play, I'm looking at the line between 20,555 hands and 24,447 hands. That line, goes straight up. Finally I was the one who caught a couple of lucky breaks. I got it in JJ vs QQ and spiked a J. I won a couple coin flips, my confidence started rising and I further worked through my game plan in my mind and focused on what needed to be changed or fixed. I knew I needed to stop using trapping as my main strategy and only to use it as an adjustment to certain players. I needed to play much more aggressively and start pushing other people around. I needed to drop from the 14 tables I was playing to at most 7 or 8. After doing those things, I actually started to feel like I was playing as similarly to my old style back in 2007 when I won at 8BB/100 as I have at any time since that point. I was making laser thin value bets and running huge bluffs with zero equity just knowing people would fold. I've gone ahead and compiled a list of my favorite ones from the session in the "my hands" feature on Liquidpoker.net. If you go on the right side of the home page at liquidpoker.net and type in the search box "Marshall28" a list of hands will popup, the most recent 9 hands are ones that I selected to post, I think each one of them is quite interesting to take a look at if you haven't already.

Because I've been recording videos for GrinderSchool.com, and I hadn't been in the zone like I was towards the end of this session in a long time, I decided to record a portion of it, so I have about 37 minutes of recorded video I'm going to do voice over narration for and it will be posted at grinderschool.com. I'm very sure this style/type of play has likely not ever been seen and should be VERY interesting to any poker player playing 200/400nl or lower.

So if you've stuck through, read it all and made it this far, congratulations, it's been a long read, but thanks for sticking with it. I always appreciate any comments, positive or negative (as long as it's constructive).

See ya and good luck.


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wcg 2009 in china? by whamm!, November 15


i didnt realize it was wcg time until i browsed vids on jaedong on youtube. does anyone still care? haha


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$800PS for $800FTP by 2Vi3T_B0Y4, November 15


Just scored 2nd $77 turbo 10,000 guarantee on stars. Now I wanna move some to FTP. Any1 help me out plz??? I will send first. PM/ reply here if you can help.

Thanks.


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Goal Achieved! by RICHI8, November 15


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A few blog posts ago I set that goal that if I did not get my bankroll to $2000 by the end of the year that I would quit poker. Right now I sit here and can gleefully say that I will not have to quit poker. The last few days I've been on absolute heater. It's interesting that I'm running above EV but it's because I'm getting it in ahead and my hands are actually holding up! The other thing is I'm getting tons of action from regulars and I can tell they are getting irritated at some of my moves and spots that I'm putting them in that they make horrendous calls. After hand 11.1k is when I read SlowHabit's new book. Here's my graph of November month to date:

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I'll consider taking shots at NL100 when I have 25 buy-ins.



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C-C-COMBOBREAKER by thewh00sel, November 15


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Woah sick run bad by edzwoo, November 14


I dropped like $750 at NL200 so I decided to 6+ table some NL50 for lulz and dropped 6bi to only fish O_o

Check out these deep beats

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I was 12tabling HU at one point but I started timing out so I cut it down to 8. I think that starts hurting my game a bit; but 6 I can still play pretty well.

No time for graph but I'm a little over -1k in the last 3 sessions which puts me at +1200 for the month. My hourly dropped from $200 to $85 .

For the most part I think I played fine. I think after chat on the KJ hand I might have been able to fold (would they really be okay with me leaving if I won that pot?), but that guy was pretty insane (I was up 5bi on him and he got it all back with constant suckouts) aggro and would probably bet his entire range there (0% fold to 3bet, nearly 0% fold to cbet).


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this days are lame by hazing74, November 14


these days....

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quite certain that I tilted..


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Eff this noise by FrEaK[S.sIR], November 14


Had multiple house vs house, AA lose in 4b/5b pots ect for 400+bb pots to start the session, nuts vs 2nd nuts...some days I hate this fucking game.


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Then I started making some hands, my hands started holding up, got lucky in some spots.

Still ran "above expectation" because there isn't a calculation for house vs house, AA vs QQ on Qxx when 50bb go in pf ect. Made some 2 outers, won some big coin flips.

Time to go get drunk.

This is all 2/4 and 3/6 btw


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Doubled my roll -,- by LemOn[5thF], November 14


Today's games started as shit.

I rape NL25 usually, and I still got a ton of value out of fish, but I also lost 3x 90% Equity, 2%70% and one KKvTT.
I went to NL10 and I got flush under flush and other stuff.
Down $30 with a huge amount of successful value bets and almost all successful really thin bluffs
Then I started SN freerol and busted in my second orbit as usual.

Luckbox
After last week my GF won $9 in the 100FPP tourney, I set myself a goal of beating that huge score.
It went alright, but I was soon crippled to 6BB stack.

But then poker gods started compensating for my shitty run during the day and these two consecutive hands happened:

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L-O-L, what can I say.
After that I started to take it a little bit more seriously, and as I don't know squat about tournaments, I opened Pokerstrategy and their MTT section for Bronze Stars (NL2 players level).
I literally went by the book and played every single hand by their charts, only slightly adjusting if someone was playing very non-standard.

The only time when I didn't play by the chart was on the bubble when I had top2 stack, where everyone was so damn scared.

Then the FT came and I only played strong hands as I was always in top4 stacks, and I passed on many spots where I would autoraise in cash games.
I did play very tight and did not abuse everybody as I do in 6MAX cash, but guess its not that bad at this level.

One hand was really unlucky for me, and I could have aimed at the first place if it turned out better:
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Bustoed (For $1400)
by the time when it was 4 handed I didn't really care about the $300 difference, and I wanted to have a shot at winning or just bust.

I lost flip, but still - I can't complain about running bad at all during this tourney :D
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Game #35366559604: Tournament #208985167, 100FPP Holdem No Limit - Level XXXIII (50000/100000) - 2009/11/14 20:31:27 ET
Table 208985167 597 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: W34s3l (1856830 in chips)
Seat 5: max085 (2058818 in chips)
Seat 7: SnoXXX (2406752 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1314100 in chips)
W34s3l: posts the ante 10000
max085: posts the ante 10000
SnoXXX: posts the ante 10000
Hero: posts the ante 10000
max085: posts small blind 50000
SnoXXX: posts big blind 100000

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero Ah3d
Hero: raises 1204100 to 1304100 and is all-in
W34s3l: folds
max085: calls 1254100
SnoXXX: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2,748,200.00)

   9sTs9d

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2,748,200.00)

   9sTs9d8h

River (Pot : $2,748,200.00)

   9sTs9d8h7d

Showdown
max085: shows 8sKs (two pair, Nines and Eights)
Hero: shows Ah3d (a pair of Nines)
max085 collected 2748200 from pot

Summary
Total pot 2748200 | Rake 0
Board  9sTs9d8h7d
Seat 4: W34s3l (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: max085 (small blind) showed 8sKs and won (2748200) with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 7: SnoXXX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Hero showed Ah3d and lost with a pair of Nines




The plan
After I get remaining 10k FPP for my $800 SN Bonus, I will be left with almost 3.5k roll.
Don't expect me to take shots at NL100 just yet though.

I will go back to my regular NL50 limit, and I am setting myself a target of 20BI before I will make shots at NL100. This is mostly because I sill have my two major leaks that keep coming back:

1) Hypertilts caused by tiredness
2) Playing based on too small sample.

And there is not much point in leaving micros before I reasonably resolve them as less fish more regs means I will be a lot more aggressive at NL100 and would spew too much.


And of course I can't forget to mention that I AM FUCKIN' AWESOME BITCHIN' MOFO
My borderline busto $410 into $3K+ in 20 days, that surely deserves some love.

I have finally set my mindset into playing 4-6 tables, quitting when I am tilted and watching a ton of vids, if I keep this up only sky is the limit.



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Quick question by RaiZ, November 14


How do i get all my tables to only 1 monitor while dual viewing ?



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NL5 day 1 by Emonator, November 14


Insane heater. Drunk people spewing <3

Didn't notice anything different from nl2 except every table had atleast one 8+ tabling player.

I played 6max only but going to check out the FR tables tomorrow. Won't update again until I've played a decent amount of hands (25k+)

First day nl5 graph:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/bc0e0.nl5ftp.jpg

It says 2 days because it's 3 AM in Finland and I just finished playing


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........ by domyouji, November 14


won a grand total of 2 full stacks with set over set and flush draw...

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/880/greatz.jpg

Submitted by : domyouji

PokerStars Game #35359389067: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/11/14 17:26:56 ET
Table Ascanios IV 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: lothar81 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Naruse ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: 130170 ($200.50 in chips)
Seat 5: turbotroll ($170.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Steinmautz ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 7: kast295 ($100.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Highpothead ($122.95 in chips)
Seat 9: wazawskiHH ($100 in chips)
Highpothead: posts small blind $0.50
wazawskiHH: posts big blind $1
19Natalie88: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Naruse 9cAc
lothar81: folds
Naruse: raises $3 to $4
130170: raises $4 to $8
turbotroll: folds
Steinmautz: folds
kast295: folds
Highpothead: folds
wazawskiHH: folds
Naruse: calls $4

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $17.50)

   9d7d4h
Naruse: checks
130170: bets $11
Naruse: calls $11

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $39.50)

   9d7d4h4s
Naruse: checks
130170: bets $1
Naruse: raises $80 to $81 and is all-in
130170: calls $80

River (Pot : $201.50)

   9d7d4h4s5c

Showdown
Naruse: shows 9cAc (two pair, Nines and Fours)
130170: shows 8h6h (a straight, Five to Nine)
130170 collected $198.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $201.50 | Rake $3
Board  9d7d4h4s5c
Seat 2: lothar81 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: Naruse showed 9cAc and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
Seat 4: 130170 showed 8h6h and won ($198.50) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 5: turbotroll folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Steinmautz folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: kast295 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: Highpothead (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: wazawskiHH (big blind) folded before Flop



Submitted by : domyouji

PokerStars Game #35364582556: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/11/14 19:37:37 ET
Table Stearns 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Sir Stubborn ($47.10 in chips)
Seat 2: roberlander ($132.05 in chips)
Seat 3: KillsAids ($130.55 in chips)
Seat 4: vinivici9586 ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: McAlonso ($111.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Naruse ($103 in chips)
Seat 7: Highpothead ($100 in chips)
Seat 8: ddahlstrom ($95.80 in chips)
Seat 9: roceba45 ($139.90 in chips)
vinivici9586: posts small blind $0.50
McAlonso: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Naruse AdAc
Naruse: raises $3 to $4
Highpothead: folds
ddahlstrom: folds
roceba45: folds
Sir Stubborn: calls $4
roberlander: calls $4
KillsAids: folds
roceba45 leaves the table
vinivici9586: raises $14 to $18
McAlonso: folds
Naruse: raises $85 to $103 and is all-in
Sir Stubborn: calls $43.10 and is all-in
roberlander: folds
vinivici9586: calls $82 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($3) returned to Naruse
74chipper74 joins the table at seat #9

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $252.10)

   QsKc4h

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $252.10)

   QsKc4h8d

River (Pot : $252.10)

   QsKc4h8d8s

Showdown
vinivici9586: shows KsKh (a full house, Kings full of Eights)
Naruse: shows AdAc (two pair, Aces and Eights)
vinivici9586 collected $105.80 from side pot
Sir Stubborn: shows TdTh (two pair, Tens and Eights)
vinivici9586 collected $143.30 from main pot
Sir Stubborn leaves the table

Summary
Total pot $252.10 Main pot $143.30. Side pot $105.80. | Rake $3
Board  QsKc4h8d8s
Seat 1: Sir Stubborn showed TdTh and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 2: roberlander folded before Flop
Seat 3: KillsAids (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: vinivici9586 (small blind) showed KsKh and won ($249.10) with a full house, Kings full of Eights
Seat 5: McAlonso (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Naruse showed AdAc and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 7: Highpothead folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: ddahlstrom folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: roceba45 folded before Flop (didnt bet)



Submitted by : domyouji

PokerStars Game #35362575766: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/11/14 18:44:55 ET
Table Tydeus III 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: choicamon ($134.65 in chips)
Seat 2: nwoodside04 ($131.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Naruse ($169.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Tenven ($105.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Patnic18 ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Don denito ($75.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Carlos2323 ($100 in chips)
Seat 8: Hówie ($143.05 in chips)
Seat 9: AnelcuH ($145.45 in chips)
AnelcuH: posts small blind $0.50
choicamon: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Naruse AhAs
nwoodside04: folds
Naruse: raises $3 to $4
Tenven: folds
Patnic18: folds
Don denito: folds
Carlos2323: folds
Hówie: calls $4
AnelcuH: folds
choicamon: calls $3

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $12.50)

   Ks3c5c
choicamon: checks
Naruse: bets $10
Hówie: calls $10
choicamon: raises $30 to $40
Naruse: raises $125.20 to $165.20 and is all-in
Hówie: calls $129.05 and is all-in
choicamon: calls $90.65 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($26.15) returned to Naruse

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $412.85)

   Ks3c5c2s

River (Pot : $412.85)

   Ks3c5c2sQc

Showdown
Naruse: shows AhAs (a pair of Aces)
Hówie: shows Ac9c (a flush, Ace high)
Hówie collected $16.80 from side pot
choicamon: shows JcKh (a pair of Kings)
Hówie collected $401.45 from main pot

Summary
Total pot $421.25 Main pot $401.45. Side pot $16.80. | Rake $3
Board  Ks3c5c2sQc
Seat 1: choicamon (big blind) showed JcKh and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: nwoodside04 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: Naruse showed AhAs and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Tenven folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Patnic18 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Don denito folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: Carlos2323 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: Hówie (button) showed Ac9c and won ($418.25) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: AnelcuH (small blind) folded before Flop



Submitted by : domyouji

PokerStars Game #35363024376: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/11/14 18:56:39 ET
Table Oberon V 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: 3J55 ($116.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Naruse ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: John_Kerry ($106.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Masterfrank ($127.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Chiren80 ($117.35 in chips)
Seat 7: jesus_hp ($100 in chips)
Seat 8: judasdart ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 9: ReJu ($100 in chips)
3J55: posts small blind $0.50
Naruse: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Naruse QcJs
John_Kerry: folds
Masterfrank: folds
Chiren80: folds
jesus_hp: folds
judasdart: folds
ReJu: folds
3J55: raises $1 to $2
Naruse: calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4.00)

   QsQh3c
3J55: bets $3
Naruse: raises $5 to $8
3J55: calls $5

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $20.00)

   QsQh3c9c
3J55: checks
Naruse: bets $12
3J55: calls $12

River (Pot : $44.00)

   QsQh3c9c6s
3J55: checks
Naruse: bets $50
3J55: raises $44.75 to $94.75 and is all-in
Naruse: calls $28 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($16.75) returned to 3J55

Showdown
3J55: shows 6hQd (a full house, Queens full of Sixes)
Naruse: shows QcJs (three of a kind, Queens)
3J55 collected $197 from pot

Summary
Total pot $200 | Rake $3
Board  QsQh3c9c6s
Seat 1: 3J55 (small blind) showed 6hQd and won ($197) with a full house, Queens full of Sixes
Seat 2: Naruse (big blind) showed QcJs and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: John_Kerry folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Masterfrank folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Chiren80 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: jesus_hp folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: judasdart folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: ReJu (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)




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Oops by k2o4, November 14


I just fucked up really badly...

Friendly fire is a shortstacking reg.

The main villain is nediely who is playing 94/0/14 over 47 hands. I value raise preflop but being deep and having JJ is definitely scary. Flop sucks and he snap checks it back. Turn he bets, I tank and fold. God I wanna kick my own ass right now for making such a shitty fold. Had to stop the session to make sure I don't tilt. This is the most steamed up I've been in ages. I guess I haven't blown such a huge pot in a while. Totally failed.

Submitted by : k2o4

PokerStars Game #35354880927: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2009/11/14 13:39:29 MT [2009/11/14 15:39:29 ET]
Table Propus VII 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Flavio_R. ($39 in chips)
Seat 2: nediely ($280.15 in chips)
Seat 3: VM47 ($310.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($273.90 in chips)
Seat 5: bait455 ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: Fr1endlyF1re ($26.90 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $1
bait455: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero JhJc
Fr1endlyF1re: raises $24.90 to $26.90 and is all-in
Flavio_R.: folds
nediely: calls $26.90
VM47: folds
Hero: raises $49.10 to $76
bait455: folds
nediely: calls $49.10

Flop (Pot : $180.90)

   3dTcKc
Hero: checks
nediely: checks

Turn (Pot : $180.90)

   3dTcKc3c
Hero: checks
nediely: bets $90
Hero:




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Twee Bets by Nolan? by k2o4, November 14


I found a series on DC called "Twee Bets" by "Nolan". I'm assuming that it's our Nolan and not some impostor. I mean, how many Nolan's who pwn at poker could there be? But I wanna confirm that it is him so that if I see him in the future I don't go "hey I loved your twee bet series" and it turns out it was another Nolan, so the real Nolan looks at me like I'm an idiot.

On another note I played 4.8k hands yesterday. That's the most hands I've played in one day in a long time. Only got 12k hands on the month though. Such grind fail. I used to get 40k hands pretty consistently each month, but for the last few months I've rarely broken 20k hands. Not good. So I'm trying to get myself to grind a lot more. Hoping to get between 10-15k hands this weekend. I'm off to a good start!


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Sport betting by voodoouser, November 14


I just discovered the world of sport betting by randomly browsing the partypoker software.
I didnt know it was so advanced actually. I thought you could only bet on who will win & lose but in fact you can place your bet on almost everything (number of goals, first/last to score,who score it, score at the end of first/second half and so on...) It's amazing.

I'm going to place my very first bet on France vs Eire tonight (100$ france win).
Eire v France
Eire win:3.10 Even:3.00 France win:2.30 32+
Qualification Playoff

I might win 230$ if france win hehe
Very exciting!

So my question is :
What's the best software for sport betting?
As partypoker isnt fully dedicated to sport betting there should be a better and more sofisticated ones...



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GREAT DEAL by NeillyJQ, November 14


in the past


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Turning the Corner. by LemOn[5thF], November 14


After watching the Coaching Tree and Real life grinder series I got to the last series that I got DL'ed from my DC trial:

Turning the corner. And I seriously can't get my head around if the dude is so horrible or If I have to reinvent my poker completely.


A)77 - Limp in SB woot?

3Handed.

A 23/7/1 dude limps on the button with 55 bb stack
19/5/3 is in the bb.

Hero has 77 and the coach says HE WOULD COMPLETE?

What the flip is happening there?
77 you Jerk because you don't want to have 'Awkward stack sizes on flop vs 50bb'?
Get over yourself you dumbass, was my very natural reaction.

My reasons to raise, and raise a decent amount:
A) Our hand will be much better than villains
Ye baby, we are ahead and its a simple question of PF equity when we have more equity than enemy.

B) He is folding a ton of flops to a simple cbet.
-we will take it down sooo much of the time even if overcards fall.
-We sill have a strong hand ang can hit sets or get value from lower pp or sc that he limp calls.


Please tell me somebody how the hell can I complete ever sb with 77 with a limper, ever, period unless he plays like 7/2


40bb stack raises UTG+1, tag calls and hero calls IP Q7s
Coach: I fould fold here, but calling is not the worst thing in the world.

FUDGE MAN, I would rip his head off for calling Q7s, wtf are we hoping to flop?
Flop comes AQ3 and he folds, duh. Jsus wtf this is the worst thing in the world.

Everything else

Yeah I just couldn't stand this as it was an utter waste of time.
I don't know much about the author, and he does teach/comment on the right type of poker that you need to play to beat NL50, but he seems to lack the understanding on why exactly he would play hands in a certain way, and doesn't give proper justifications.
He might be a successful high stakes player, he just doesn't make too good of a coach.

If you don't get what I am saying, try watching Grinder or Coaching Tree series and afterwards Turning the corner.
The difference is like between $5,000 professional escort and a $50 fat hooker from the dirty corner in Bronx.



Only pron is left now?
To end this rant, I must state that unfortunately out of the couple GB DC vids I have depleted all worthwhile Low stakes session reviews/coaching vids.

I still have a ton of specific spots and theory videos, but the session reviews were helping me to tame my gamble inside by showing the common spots where I play like a madman at times, with reasoning behind the play.
My poker game is 100% adaptive and I don't have standard bet size, or standard opening hands at all and I always target my villains and table dynamics.

Many times to the extent that I forget that I am actually playing with two cards in my hand myself.

Here come the vids that help me to apply at least some sort of standards into my play.

e.g. I started to imprint the standard plays into my sub conciousness and although I simply knew inside that the 78s UTG raise simply will be profitable at the table I was playing, my mind wandered to the video and I folded. True story.


DC or card Runners or others?

For these reasons I am looking to subscribe to a video coaching site.

I am looking for:
A) Rolling Videos for NL50-NL200 6MAX,

B)Similar format as the two DC series (Typical good, bud narrow minded low to midstakes player + High Stakes player challenging him and requesting and providing advanced reasons for making almost all plays)

Failing that, at least high stakes player himself playing low stakes that explains all his plays and common spot with advanced reasoning.


I know DC has couple more series that offer this, are there any other sites that do the same?


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A true grinder by concrescence, November 14





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How? by OpWestAcct, November 13


How? How can I be setup so much? How can I chase draws all day and miss so many? How can I make so many draws only for it to complete my opponent's nuts? How can I not be able to cbet? How can I miss so many flops? How can I never slowplay due to multiple runner runners? How can I never flat a big pair preflop and never get value out of TPTK? How can so often I think I am getting value but only stacking off with a losing hand? How can my timing be so bad? How can I never try something new because I am always running into the nuts? Fuck off ... Seriously.

I literally had to punch my bed to take out my frustration because I had nothing else. Give me a fucking break.


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Dell Hate Spew by Highcard, November 13


Fucking piece of shit dell fuckers. Bought a new XPS desktop, shipped 1 month late, 5 days of owning it and 3 sessions of Modern Warfare 2 and complete system failure mid-game. FUCK


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