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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 25 2011 16:16. Posts 15163
Julie and Mark are brother and sister. They
are traveling together in France on summer
vacation from college. One night they are
staying alone in a cabin near the beach.
They decide that it would be interesting and
fun if they tried making love. At very least
it would be a new experience for each of
them. Julie was already taking birth control
pills, but Mark uses a condom too, just to
be safe. They both enjoy making love, but
they decide not to do it again. They keep
that night as a special secret, which makes
them feel even closer to each other,
and there were no negative feelings invoked in the future.
What do you think about that, was it OK for them
to make love?




Poll: Is what Mark and Julie have done wrong?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Undecided

Please give specific rational reasons if you think if you answered 'yes'

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.124.9206&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Uni is fun ;o


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terrybunny19240   United States. Mar 25 2011 16:19. Posts 13829

I think its fine just weird. Can't think of a rational argument against it.

Only thing I could say against it is that its a 'dream scenario' and reality might not go so smoothly.


Jubert69   United States. Mar 25 2011 16:26. Posts 3191

I remember getting asked this question in one of my classes because it was a class geared towards law school.

Pretty much, a person who will say that was bad took morals and their opinion into consideration which wouldn't be the "correct" way of answering that question.

No feelings/negatives were found in this story, so yeah, I voted no.


atateconst   United States. Mar 25 2011 16:29. Posts 132

Having sex with your sister is gross IMO. Its not a matter of morals to me, I'm an athiest, but that doesnt mean I cant rationally think its gross to have sex with your sister or your mother or your daughter. Gross.


terrybunny19240   United States. Mar 25 2011 16:31. Posts 13829

u don't seem to understand the word rational


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 25 2011 16:35. Posts 15163

There is no right or wrong way of answering that question

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whamm!   Albania. Mar 25 2011 16:47. Posts 11625

i dont think is wrong, like anything and everything is always relative. but since even basic laws of nature prohibit incest just by producing a high risk of abnormality and birth defects gives you an idea how nature is saying "dude this kind shit will fuck you up, but if you're still up for it don't tell me i didnt warn you" lol
wrong no. abormal, very.


thumbz555   United States. Mar 25 2011 16:53. Posts 3281

yes, but how much did u lose?

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 25 2011 17:00. Posts 15163


  On March 25 2011 15:53 thumbz555 wrote:
yes, but how much did u lose?


Good question, rationally apparently nothing it seems from the responses?

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Sanai   United States. Mar 25 2011 17:00. Posts 643


  On March 25 2011 15:29 atateconst wrote:
Having sex with your sister is gross IMO. Its not a matter of morals to me, I'm an athiest, but that doesnt mean I cant rationally think its gross to have sex with your sister or your mother or your daughter. Gross.



What in the world does atheism have to do with morals?

RE: OP, I personally can't put myself in their shoes since I don't have a sister, but since it harms no one and gave them an enjoyable night together, I see nothing wrong with it.


atateconst   United States. Mar 25 2011 17:02. Posts 132


  On March 25 2011 15:31 Night2o1 wrote:
u don't seem to understand the word rational



2.
having or exercising reason, sound judgment, or good sense: a calm and rational negotiator.

I would use this definition. Anyone with a good amount of sense knows it is gross to fuck your sister.
I didnt say it was 'wrong'. I guess thats up to the people having sex to decide. Its still gross though. Eating food out of the garbage is neither 'right' nor 'wrong', but its still gross. Walking around smelling like a port-a-potty on a 100 degree day is neither 'right' or 'wrong', but it is gross.


atateconst   United States. Mar 25 2011 17:04. Posts 132


  On March 25 2011 16:00 Sanai wrote:
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What in the world does atheism have to do with morals?

RE: OP, I personally can't put myself in their shoes since I don't have a sister, but since it harms no one and gave them an enjoyable night together, I see nothing wrong with it.


I only bring that up because when most people use 'morals' to argue against incest they usually bring 'god' into the discussion. Otherwise, nothing, you are right.


jgard   Canada. Mar 25 2011 17:27. Posts 20

The only thing wrong with it, is that one of them broke their promise to keep it a secret.

Society dictates what is right and wrong. If society doesn't know about this then it cannot be right or wrong in the first place. Replace the old tree falling down in the woods with the old brother going down on his sister in the woods with no one around.


LikeASet   United States. Mar 25 2011 17:50. Posts 2113

as a kid i used to joke with my friends saying if Britney Spears was my sister, I'd still have sex with her. But she looks different nowadays . Thinking about this question now is lol gross for me cuz I got a sister. What they did is not morally wrong, If I personally knew them and found out, I probably wouldn't care.


qwerty67890   New Zealand. Mar 25 2011 18:06. Posts 14026

I would need to see pics of Julie in order to give an answer


GoTuNk   Chile. Mar 25 2011 18:32. Posts 2860

why would u ask this? do u have a sister?


tooker   . Mar 25 2011 18:34. Posts 470

would finding your sister attractive also be "gross"?


hiems   United States. Mar 25 2011 18:41. Posts 2979

This is a silly question because right and wrong in this situation is inherently arbitrary.

You need to clarify that before anyone can answer the question.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 25 2011 18:41. Posts 15163


  On March 25 2011 17:32 GoTuNk wrote:
why would u ask this? do u have a sister?


I have three actually, and I do not think there is a rational reason against this yet I do believe this is wrong and definitely wouldn't do this in this exact scenario lol...Maybe that's why I suck at poker, I can't control my sub-conscious intuitive processes well enough?

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 25 2011 18:43. Posts 15163


  On March 25 2011 17:41 hiems wrote:
This is a silly question because right and wrong in this situation is inherently arbitrary.

You need to clarify that before anyone can answer the question.


All right, if you had a hot sister and were presented with the exact same scenario, would know 100% nobody will ever find out and that there wouldn't be any negative emotions in the future, and you can only gain (clearly gains>losses so you'd be maximizing utility) would you do her?

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hiems   United States. Mar 25 2011 18:47. Posts 2979


  On March 25 2011 17:43 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
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All right, if you had a hot sister and were presented with the exact same scenario, would know 100% nobody will ever find out and that there wouldn't be any negative emotions in the future, and you can only gain (clearly gains>losses so you'd be maximizing utility) would you do her?


I have never had a sister so I can't answer that question.

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hiems   United States. Mar 25 2011 18:53. Posts 2979

And fwiw someone's response to your question has nothing to do with whether it's right or wrong.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 25 2011 20:01. Posts 15163

how so?

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Stroggos   New Zealand. Mar 25 2011 20:14. Posts 1117

:O i dont believe in morals so i answer 'dont know'

However this is pretty dam gross, i guess some people are born with less pheramones than others?

 Last edit: 25/03/2011 20:17

atateconst   United States. Mar 25 2011 20:42. Posts 132


  On March 25 2011 17:34 tooker wrote:
would finding your sister attractive also be "gross"?



Describe what you mean by attractive?
Does this mean you objectively think your sister happens to be a good looking woman? Then no, I think thats pretty standard.
Does this mean you are sexually attracted to her? Yeah, lol, thats gross dude.

For full disclosure I have a sister and she is considerably younger than me. (9 years apart) Perhaps the age difference has something to do with why I find it gross? I dont know, I just think its pretty sick.


DaTruf   United States. Mar 25 2011 20:49. Posts 398


  On March 25 2011 15:29 atateconst wrote:
Having sex with your sister is gross IMO. Its not a matter of morals to me, I'm an athiest, but that doesnt mean I cant rationally think its gross to have sex with your sister or your mother or your daughter. Gross.



because atheists don't have morals obviously... or was the atheism part just a random fun fact about you that wasn't at all related to your response?


atateconst   United States. Mar 25 2011 20:58. Posts 132


  On March 25 2011 19:49 DaTruf wrote:
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because atheists don't have morals obviously... or was the atheism part just a random fun fact about you that wasn't at all related to your response?


I addressed this already.

Many religions implicitly denounce incest on moral grounds. I didnt intend to imply that atheists cant/dont have morals, just pointing out that I'm not required to find it 'wrong', as some people are.
Yeah, it was unnecessary, who fucking cares? I didnt realize it was such a BFD to mention that you're an atheist around here.

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joLin   United States. Mar 25 2011 20:59. Posts 3818

just do it lemon

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atateconst   United States. Mar 25 2011 21:00. Posts 132


  On March 25 2011 19:59 joLin wrote:
just do it lemon



Obv Lemon is "Mark".


qwerty67890   New Zealand. Mar 25 2011 21:56. Posts 14026


  On March 25 2011 20:00 atateconst wrote:
Show nested quote +



Obv Lemon is "Mark".


What if Lemon..... is Julie!

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ChrisKim47   United States. Mar 25 2011 22:51. Posts 173

just say no to sisters


whamm!   Albania. Mar 26 2011 10:17. Posts 11625

keeping secrets like that can give you cancer


YoMeR   United States. Mar 26 2011 15:42. Posts 12435

lol wat in the fuck.

LP: where dudes fuck their sisters.

has a nice ring to it.

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atateconst   United States. Mar 26 2011 19:54. Posts 132


  On March 26 2011 14:42 YoMeR wrote:
lol wat in the fuck.

LP: where dudes fuck their sisters.

has a nice ring to it.



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Bejamin1   Canada. Apr 19 2011 14:26. Posts 7042

I'm surprised they were able to get that study by ethics haha. I guess it was 2001 though.

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