Cereus Network Security Issue

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blog...-security-alert-cereus-poker-network/

well, just a loophole in their encryption.

"PokerTableRatings has discovered a critical flaw in the Cereus Poker software which affects both Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet, allowing an attacker to hijack victim’s poker accounts and display their hole cards in real time."

wonderin who from lp.net has stayed there after the latest scandal there was..

This is semi-retarded... and not worth actually getting upset about. Someone would have to know that you are playing poker, have access to the network you're connected to and sit at the same table as you.

obviously needs to be fixed but isnt worth moving sites or anything from

i wouldnt have a problem to play on AP or UB

seriously, who is playing poker on an unsecured network for any substantial amount of money to begin with?

if you are, stop it.

i'll help you set your shit up if you can't figure it out

On May 06 2010 18:46 CrownRoyal wrote: seriously, who is playing poker on an unsecured network for any substantial amount of money to begin with? if you are, stop it. i'll help you set your shit up if you can't figure it out

Probably people willing to take small risks in order to play with fish who don't know about all the security issues.

On May 06 2010 18:46 CrownRoyal wrote: seriously, who is playing poker on an unsecured network for any substantial amount of money to begin with? if you are, stop it. i'll help you set your shit up if you can't figure it out

lol who knows, i bet a lot of random fish play on unsecured networks.
ain't that big of a deal but meh, makes me never wanna play there ever

fuck.. cereus is just hell bent on ruining the image of online poker.

While the likelihood of being affected by this is very slim, as long as you are taking the proper precautions, the bigger issue IMO is that it is an indication that Cereus does not treat the security of its players seriously. Online poker is an industry that depends on trust. If I had a lawyer or financial advisor and I found out that they were being careless about confidentiality, even if that did not apply to me personally, I would immediately end that relationship. The same concept is at work here. This is yet another example of Cereus not placing a high priority on the security of its players and that type of incompetence brings into doubt the integrity of their entire operation. I would never give Cereus any of my business.

guess we know how xblink did it?

When the scandal happened I'm sure liquidpoker promised to have nothing to do with those criminals again.

also

does ptr reeally make that much money that they think it would be more profitable to expose this than to exploit it themselves?

On May 06 2010 19:32 traxamillion wrote: also does ptr reeally make that much money that they think it would be more profitable to expose this than to exploit it themselves?

long term I would think so, yes

nevermind it doesnt let you just see anyone's holecards. You have to have access to opponents network or something so its actually kinda hard to get exploited by this.

On May 06 2010 18:41 Raidern wrote: i wouldnt have a problem to play on AP or UB

Really?? I'm sure your game would most likely be safe and an opponent probably won't be looking at your hole cards, but I would never trust these companies with my money which have been shown to be bent as hell.

How did the whitewash work so well? How did UB and AP get caught proper hardcore red-handed cheating and then say "errrrr ok we're cleaning up yeah... we're now.. errrr... cereus... an anagram of secure omg we're so fucking clever" and never get proper outside regulation, let alone investigation, of their operation and their rubbish cleanup. It was an embarrasingly blatantly cheap under-carpet sweeping and everyone has just let it blow over. STOP IT!

On May 06 2010 19:32 traxamillion wrote: also does ptr reeally make that much money that they think it would be more profitable to expose this than to exploit it themselves?

Is that under the assumption everyone who tries to earn money doesn't mind being a thief?

On May 06 2010 19:18 Exhilarate wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 18:46 CrownRoyal wrote: seriously, who is playing poker on an unsecured network for any substantial amount of money to begin with? if you are, stop it. i'll help you set your shit up if you can't figure it out lol who knows, i bet a lot of random fish play on unsecured networks. ain't that big of a deal but meh, makes me never wanna play there ever

nah man, im pretty sure if they had a vpp system there you would get hooked as well . lol

meh i would say given the chance 99% of the population would use holecard exploits knowing there is a chance to make millions with zero chance of legal repercussion

Nazgul, why are you still offering UB rakeback? I'm sure if I was better with the search that I could find other links too.

i still play on UB great site

On May 06 2010 19:47 Oly wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 18:41 Raidern wrote: i wouldnt have a problem to play on AP or UB Really?? I'm sure your game would most likely be safe and an opponent probably won't be looking at your hole cards, but I would never trust these companies with my money which have been shown to be bent as hell. How did the whitewash work so well? How did UB and AP get caught proper hardcore red-handed cheating and then say "errrrr ok we're cleaning up yeah... we're now.. errrr... cereus... an anagram of secure omg we're so fucking clever" and never get proper outside regulation, let alone investigation, of their operation and their rubbish cleanup. It was an embarrasingly blatantly cheap under-carpet sweeping and everyone has just let it blow over. STOP IT!

I don't know, I just don't believe anyone would deliberately fuck up such a good money machine by letting idiots ruin its reputation (twice). I think ever since the superuser scandal happened I think this is the first security issue they have. If I recall correctly, they also had bugs in their software a couple more times. But these seemed like 'harmless' bugs which have been taken care of. You can call me naive (or stupid) but that's my opinion.

what crown was saying is they were playing on a unsecured personal network, not the poker sites network.. and if you work or play or w/e on a unsecured personal network u should be ready to lose money if a hacker actually tries to steal from u, its waay easy for them to just use a keylogger or a full on trojan to view ur whole screen.. and yes if u were playing poker on any network, it wouldnt change a thing, he would see your whole desktop.

On May 06 2010 19:50 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 19:32 traxamillion wrote: also does ptr reeally make that much money that they think it would be more profitable to expose this than to exploit it themselves? Is that under the assumption everyone who tries to earn money doesn't mind being a thief?

this makes me that some people would even consider that an option

On May 06 2010 19:30 traxamillion wrote: guess we know how xblink did it?

this was my first thought... haha

Thinking about it, didnt that one dude massively win at blackjack on UB @ odds that seemed unfathomably possible, like .012 chance of it happening?

he won like 1 million playing BJ on UB or something ridiculous, a well known tournament player

On May 07 2010 01:57 Bigbobm wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 19:50 Nazgul wrote:   On May 06 2010 19:32 traxamillion wrote: also does ptr reeally make that much money that they think it would be more profitable to expose this than to exploit it themselves? Is that under the assumption everyone who tries to earn money doesn't mind being a thief? this makes me that some people would even consider that an option

god, some mod change the title. How is this cheating? It is just vurnerable and i would never play poker on wireless network anyway.

seriously, that network always has some issue, superusers, now this...

I believe it's in UB's best interest to be a trustworthy and legitimate site with honest games. They seem to be in it for the long haul and rightly so. Since they'll make so much goddamn money in the process.

I'll take the risks associated with playing on a "shady" but more likely incompetent site if the games are softer and I get paid more.

they still get better traffic than most other sites besides stars and ftp. and the games are significantly softer. especially on weekends oh baby...

On May 07 2010 03:46 CrownRoyal wrote: Thinking about it, didnt that one dude massively win at blackjack on UB @ odds that seemed unphatomably possible, like .012 chance of it happening?

isnt something pretty likely to happen to someone if it has a 0.012 chance of happening?

here is a vid i got from the HSNL thread on 2p2 about this...



also Crown, I believe you are thinking of ShaunDeeb's bj run from a cpl years ago. He didn't profit a mill, just wagered like 800k or so. I think he made a cpl hundred? It was really sick though and he created a brag thread on 2p2 about it a while back.

xor




hahaha.



also. people affected by this got more potential problems at hand. utterly pointless and stupid (to go public with it)

On May 07 2010 01:29 milkman wrote: its waay easy for even retarded monkeys to just use a keylogger or a full on trojan to view ur whole screen.. and yes if u were playing poker on any network, it wouldnt change a thing, he would see your whole desktop.

also. not hackers. hacking etc.

Would you prefer nearly impossible or higly unlikely odds of detection when performing criminal acts?

today an update was issued. The issue might have been solved

yeah i was going to say there was an update today hopefully the issue has been resolved if not then cash out time lol unless someone wants to do transfers here

ap/ub got a seal of approval from an organization rated as high as the rng audits and they didn't even know about this...im actually suprised more of the microgaming disaster isn't mentioned

Explains my recent losses. Oh and terrible, terrible play might be partially accountable.

On May 06 2010 20:04 traxamillion wrote: meh i would say given the chance 99% of the population would use holecard exploits knowing there is a chance to make millions with zero chance of legal repercussion

Research* shows that virtually 100% of the population is willing to cheat, but only a little. There are very few people that would use it to make millions, but nearly everyone would exploit it in a small way.

*See, for example, Predictably Irrational by Dan Ariely.

damn it this topic title missed out on some potential

"Cereus Security Issue"

NoahSD is a fucking zealot

On May 08 2010 14:59 Fudyann wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 20:04 traxamillion wrote: meh i would say given the chance 99% of the population would use holecard exploits knowing there is a chance to make millions with zero chance of legal repercussion Research* shows that virtually 100% of the population is willing to cheat, but only a little.

research also shows that imaginary things aren't real and therefore virtually 100% of the research on willingness to cheat is retarded.