UFC 111 predictions

GSP - Hardy
Mir - Carwin

Fitch - Alves
Saunders - Ellenberger
Miller - Bocek
Diaz - Markham
Almeida - Brown

Predictions?

Anyone who gives Hardy a "Serra" kind of chance of winning his title fight?
Or the unbeaten Carwin against the renewed Mir, who with this fight has a chance to get his rematch against Lesnar?

dan hardy is not the ko artist everyone thinks he is. hes got one decent ko his whole career and its over a guys whos been kod plenty. i dont think dan hardy even has a serra chance. gsp stood with serra cuz hes 4'2'' and had a very high level bjj black belt. dan hardy is a purple shirt in in eddie bravos shit. hes getting murked.

mir vs carwin is whoever gets off first. mir with technique carwin with power. will be rooting for carwin but think mir takes it

fitch vs alves. im taking alves by brutal beat down. fitchs stand up has still looked ridiculously awful and alves TDD has looked pretty damn good. hes tough as nails so i respect him but got damn hes super boring. this is coming from a guy whos still a huge guida fan.

GOGO MATT BROWN THE IMMORTAL!

Time to bet the house on GSP imo.

On March 12 2010 09:58 JonnyCosMo wrote: Time to bet the house on GSP imo.

u almost have to bet that much to make a decent profit, fin guy is at a whopping 1.1x to 1 right now

fitch is toughest fighter I've seen.
Usually skill is a combination of hard work and talent.
Fitch's talent is hard work.............. That man has absurd conditioning, 5 5 minute rounds and he's still good to go.

I think GSP takes it but I root for Hardy since he's so damn funny. Mir probably owns Carwin pretty hard due to Carwin's general lack of decent opponents in the past. Alves is cool and Fitch boring, dunno about the rest really.

Odds on GSP are sick, Nazgul seemed to have -590 when he made his bet, its up to -800/-900 now.

On March 12 2010 10:31 JDK87 wrote: Odds on GSP are sick, Nazgul seemed to have -590 when he made his bet, its up to -800/-900 now.

Yeah i think I got like -630 or something

I think I may cry if GSP loses

but he wont so its ok

GSP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardy
Mir > Carwin

Fitch < Alves
Saunders < Ellenberger
Miller > Bocek
Diaz > Markham
Almeida > Brown

I can't imagine the main event being remotely entertaining. It's going to be so one sided

I really really really really really hope GSP knocks out Hardy. He's like the welter weight Bisping except hyped up even more. Lol at Hardy training with Serra like he knows some secret to beating GSP. As for Mir vs Carwin, I think it will be an exciting fight to watch but I'd like to see Mir lose but I'd also might prefer to see Mir lose to Lesnar again.

I have like 4k on GSP at about -600 spread over various sites with various lines please don't lose

All the English fighters talk so much shit. Everyone hates them....

+600 for GSP, i dont like the line much.

i think Carwin is going to rape Mir, i just hope Carwin doesnt go out intending to trade for the entire fight, if he doesnt mix it up i think Mir will slowly grind him with technical striking.

On March 12 2010 10:35 Jamie217 wrote: I think I may cry if GSP loses

me too.

tears of joy!

though after the primetime i kinda like george a little more. hes getting a little bit of personality.

lol @ mir grinding out carwin. shanes never been out of the first round and mir has always had a terrible gas tank.

i personally think carwin should just take him down. carwins rumored to have a really solid ground game. brown belt. and mir cant deal with gnp.

On March 12 2010 10:35 Jamie217 wrote: I think I may cry if GSP loses

Agreed, hes a good guy, been a while since he talked a lot of smack. No one in his division worth talking shack to though, hes too far ahead of everyone

I hope Mir beats Carwin, just because Mir vs Lesnar is a growing rivarly, Mir looks like he has improved a lot since they last fought I'd like to see another match between them

Fitch - Alves, Fitch is like a UFC version of a Full ring nit, hes super boring to watch but has good / stready results

anyone else think its going to be hilarious seeing dan hardy trying to use the rubber guard on gsp? oh man this is gonna be brutal lol.

On March 12 2010 19:26 TalentedTom wrote: I hope Mir beats Carwin, just because Mir vs Lesnar is a growing rivarly, Mir looks like he has improved a lot since they last fought I'd like to see another match between them Fitch - Alves, Fitch is like a UFC version of a Full ring nit, hes super boring to watch but has good / stready results

really? you want 3/5 of brocks fights in the ufc to be against mir? i think cain should get the shot. theres nothing carwin or mir can do that would impress me more than what cain has done.

I'm over Fitch grinding out decisions non stop. Even though it will never happen I hope GSP gets knocked out in the first 30 seconds and everyone just stands silent for like 10 minutes. I think Mir will beat Carwin, it will be interesting for me to see how Carwin a man who juggles his work ("I go to my office where I work on my hydraulic models making sure water is getting where it needs to go", wife and kids compares to the dedication of a renewed Mir. I'm also interested to see how Diaz does with the move up. My one last hope is that Matt Riddle gets ktfo big time.

Oh and I also hope that Jamie217 and d_zoo have a great time which I think is almost guaranteed (lucky cunts).

On March 12 2010 19:26 TalentedTom wrote: I hope Mir beats Carwin, just because Mir vs Lesnar is a growing rivarly, Mir looks like he has improved a lot since they last fought I'd like to see another match between them Fitch - Alves, Fitch is like a UFC version of a Full ring nit, hes super boring to watch but has good / stready results

lol what in the hell, Mir got annihilated in the last fight, it would be a boring fight.

I know there are like 4 UFC cards in front of it but I can't stop thinking about the next Strikeforce event for some reason.

And Truth vs Bones is getting no love?

Maruisz pudzianowski can shoulder press with 1 shoulder Brock lesnars body weight. He could 1arm bench Brock lesnar at age 16. Marius pudz can 1leg press 2x Brock lesnar body weight.
Maruisz eats 3 lbs of bacon every morning with a dozen eggs.
If fighting is about skill remove the weight limits so maruisz can grow to 350 lbs of the strongest man in the world. And see what skill counts for against physical talent and heart.

On March 12 2010 19:48 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 19:26 TalentedTom wrote: I hope Mir beats Carwin, just because Mir vs Lesnar is a growing rivarly, Mir looks like he has improved a lot since they last fought I'd like to see another match between them Fitch - Alves, Fitch is like a UFC version of a Full ring nit, hes super boring to watch but has good / stready results lol what in the hell, Mir got annihilated in the last fight, it would be a boring fight.

Agree. Mir only have one win I'm impressed by and that's the sylvia one. First Lesnar was like... come on? and Big Nog looked like shit in their fight. Not that Carwin's better in that department, but still. I just hope one of them wins somewhat impressingly so that the next match vs Lesnar becomes intressting. Right now I'm not very impressed by the UFC's heavyweights at all actually. They rule every other division (lightweight questionable and light heavy is almost closeish) but Fedor, Overeem, AA and even Rogers etc seems so much more interesting then anyone except Cain and Lesnar.

Lightweight questionable? Please explain who you think will topple Penn. Then explain who it's closeish between for LHW, you think Mousasi is going to take out the entire UFC LHW division? Unless I have misunderstood your statement. I mean the fact that you would rather watch Arlovski or Rogers probably says it all (or think that they can even do anything). Who has Overeem beat recently? And I'm over Fedor and his M-1 promotion bullshit. He needs to fight some serious competition to redeem himself in my book.

The fact is UFC divisions are pretty stacked where as other organisations have some stand outs but that is it. I mean look at Jardines history that poor fucker never gets a walk. But thats how it is at the top of UFC divisions it's just non stop top guys for anyone who wants to be the champ. Also you don't see shit like what happened with Cung Le or what will happen with Overeem for titles, just absurd.

/rant

On March 13 2010 02:31 woodbrave1 wrote: Maruisz pudzianowski can shoulder press with 1 shoulder Brock lesnars body weight. He could 1arm bench Brock lesnar at age 16. Marius pudz can 1leg press 2x Brock lesnar body weight. Maruisz eats 3 lbs of bacon every morning with a dozen eggs. If fighting is about skill remove the weight limits so maruisz can grow to 350 lbs of the strongest man in the world. And see what skill counts for against physical talent and heart.

Perhaps you have not heard of Pride? Too bad its not around anymore

Lightweight obviously Peen is a big favourite against anyone, but Eddie A, Aoki, a bunch of the asian dudes, hellboy etc (even though the last one moved down in weight) seems good enough be equal/better then the rest of the UFC guys. As for light heavy Henderson and maybe Mousasi can compete with anyone except for Shogun and Machida.

I'd also like to argue that Fedor is an obvious number one at heavyweight and that beating Rogers and AA is far more impressive then going 1-1 against Frank "I have on impressive win ever and that was vs an opponent who made his worst match ever" Mir, beating Heath Herring and Randy who's old as fuck and while obviously impressive no where near any title in any weight class.

AA sucks? How can you even say that's a quality win anymore?

On March 13 2010 02:31 woodbrave1 wrote: Maruisz pudzianowski can shoulder press with 1 shoulder Brock lesnars body weight. He could 1arm bench Brock lesnar at age 16. Marius pudz can 1leg press 2x Brock lesnar body weight. Maruisz eats 3 lbs of bacon every morning with a dozen eggs. If fighting is about skill remove the weight limits so maruisz can grow to 350 lbs of the strongest man in the world. And see what skill counts for against physical talent and heart.

seriously stop this ridiculous bullshit or i will be forced to ban you -_-

On March 12 2010 19:48 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 19:26 TalentedTom wrote: I hope Mir beats Carwin, just because Mir vs Lesnar is a growing rivarly, Mir looks like he has improved a lot since they last fought I'd like to see another match between them Fitch - Alves, Fitch is like a UFC version of a Full ring nit, hes super boring to watch but has good / stready results lol what in the hell, Mir got annihilated in the last fight, it would be a boring fight.

Mir was also 30lbs lighter the last time he fought Lesnar. Plus Lesnar is coming off of serious illness and needs to recover a ton of muscle mass he lost from being on his back and doing nothing for months. Mir vs Lesnar 3 should be a much closer match-up...

Weight classes is stupid. You think in real fight god comes down and turns a 250lb man into 150lbs so the two 150lbs can have an even match? NO.
I want to see 400lb sumo wrestlers vs 130lb Bruce lees with death waivers, injury waivers signed. And the rules of the fight decided by the fighters onwhats legal or illegal.
Two fighters want a no rules fight to the death, how in the hizell is it anyones responsibility to stop them. We all on this earth for a short period of time. While I live. Let me be free, let me live in a free country.

Ok now you're just asking for the Baal Ban Hammer

On March 13 2010 14:40 woodbrave1 wrote: Weight classes is stupid. You think in real fight god comes down and turns a 250lb man into 150lbs so the two 150lbs can have an even match? NO. I want to see 400lb sumo wrestlers vs 130lb Bruce lees with death waivers, injury waivers signed. And the rules of the fight decided by the fighters onwhats legal or illegal. Two fighters want a no rules fight to the death, how in the hizell is it anyones responsibility to stop them. We all on this earth for a short period of time. While I live. Let me be free, let me live in a free country.

LYRICAL WORD SMITH, VOICE OF A GENERATION, MOTHER FUCKIN GENIUS

On March 13 2010 13:06 DustySwedeDude wrote: Lightweight obviously Peen is a big favourite against anyone, but Eddie A, Aoki, a bunch of the asian dudes, hellboy etc (even though the last one moved down in weight) seems good enough be equal/better then the rest of the UFC guys. As for light heavy Henderson and maybe Mousasi can compete with anyone except for Shogun and Machida. I'd also like to argue that Fedor is an obvious number one at heavyweight and that beating Rogers and AA is far more impressive then going 1-1 against Frank "I have on impressive win ever and that was vs an opponent who made his worst match ever" Mir, beating Heath Herring and Randy who's old as fuck and while obviously impressive no where near any title in any weight class.

Yes like I said a few fighters can compete with the UFC top 15-20 in each division I'm not debating if fighters like Mousasi, Hendo, Shields can be in the top of the mixes. What I am saying is that those other organisations are not stacked like the UFC. As for Aoki this is one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to seeing him fight Melendez in Strikeforce. I don't rate Melendez anywhere near his top 10 ranking so if Aoki struggles it's going to be interesting for rankings I think anyway.

Beating Rodgers and AA is not impressive. Beating Sylvia is not impressive. Beating Coleman is not impressive. The only semi recent fight I thought it was impressive Fedor won was when he beat Hong Man Choi and that was based on the sheer size difference not the skill of either fighter. Hey I used to be a Fedor nut hugger and there is no debating that he could be at the top or even the best HW. But until he fights some top level fighters there will always be legitimate doubt. Fighting washed up ex UFC fighters doesn't cut it. And also don't forget that Mir was the HW champion years ago and is back at the top since the crash, unlike AA and Sylvia.

On March 13 2010 14:37 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 19:48 Baal wrote:   On March 12 2010 19:26 TalentedTom wrote: I hope Mir beats Carwin, just because Mir vs Lesnar is a growing rivarly, Mir looks like he has improved a lot since they last fought I'd like to see another match between them Fitch - Alves, Fitch is like a UFC version of a Full ring nit, hes super boring to watch but has good / stready results lol what in the hell, Mir got annihilated in the last fight, it would be a boring fight. Mir was also 30lbs lighter the last time he fought Lesnar. Plus Lesnar is coming off of serious illness and needs to recover a ton of muscle mass he lost from being on his back and doing nothing for months. Mir vs Lesnar 3 should be a much closer match-up...

From memory (and I think I commented as such on Tom's blog) Lesnar did not lose that much weight (for him anyway), I think around 30-40lbs? He was also in the gym on and off all while sick. Obviously he was affected but I'm sure he is already back to almost 100%.

On March 13 2010 13:06 DustySwedeDude wrote: Lightweight obviously Peen is a big favourite against anyone, but Eddie A, Aoki, a bunch of the asian dudes, hellboy etc (even though the last one moved down in weight) seems good enough be equal/better then the rest of the UFC guys. As for light heavy Henderson and maybe Mousasi can compete with anyone except for Shogun and Machida. I'd also like to argue that Fedor is an obvious number one at heavyweight and that beating Rogers and AA is far more impressive then going 1-1 against Frank "I have on impressive win ever and that was vs an opponent who made his worst match ever" Mir, beating Heath Herring and Randy who's old as fuck and while obviously impressive no where near any title in any weight class.

im a previous pride nuthugger. but honestly the lw division isnt even close. aoki and eddie and hellboy would get rolled by any top 10 ufc LW and its not even somewhat kinda remotely maybe even a chance close.

gayhard is awesome but he still gets rolled by shogun & machida at this point.

i will agree about fedor though. him > all.

On March 13 2010 16:56 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2010 13:06 DustySwedeDude wrote: Lightweight obviously Peen is a big favourite against anyone, but Eddie A, Aoki, a bunch of the asian dudes, hellboy etc (even though the last one moved down in weight) seems good enough be equal/better then the rest of the UFC guys. As for light heavy Henderson and maybe Mousasi can compete with anyone except for Shogun and Machida. I'd also like to argue that Fedor is an obvious number one at heavyweight and that beating Rogers and AA is far more impressive then going 1-1 against Frank "I have on impressive win ever and that was vs an opponent who made his worst match ever" Mir, beating Heath Herring and Randy who's old as fuck and while obviously impressive no where near any title in any weight class. Yes like I said a few fighters can compete with the UFC top 15-20 in each division I'm not debating if fighters like Mousasi, Hendo, Shields can be in the top of the mixes. What I am saying is that those other organisations are not stacked like the UFC. As for Aoki this is one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to seeing him fight Melendez in Strikeforce. I don't rate Melendez anywhere near his top 10 ranking so if Aoki struggles it's going to be interesting for rankings I think anyway. Beating Rodgers and AA is not impressive. Beating Sylvia is not impressive. Beating Coleman is not impressive. The only semi recent fight I thought it was impressive Fedor won was when he beat Hong Man Choi and that was based on the sheer size difference not the skill of either fighter. Hey I used to be a Fedor nut hugger and there is no debating that he could be at the top or even the best HW. But until he fights some top level fighters there will always be legitimate doubt. Fighting washed up ex UFC fighters doesn't cut it. And also don't forget that Mir was the HW champion years ago and is back at the top since the crash, unlike AA and Sylvia.

On March 13 2010 02:31 woodbrave1 wrote: Maruisz pudzianowski can shoulder press with 1 shoulder Brock lesnars body weight. He could 1arm bench Brock lesnar at age 16. Marius pudz can 1leg press 2x Brock lesnar body weight. Maruisz eats 3 lbs of bacon every morning with a dozen eggs. If fighting is about skill remove the weight limits so maruisz can grow to 350 lbs of the strongest man in the world. And see what skill counts for against physical talent and heart.

BAN

Haha thanks stim. I know how I'm sounding prattling on about UFC and I don't mean it to sound so preachy. So I pretty much deserve the picture. The worst part is I'm a former Pride nuthugger as well so it hurts a little still deep down inside to have to defend the UFC. The reality is though they have all (or almost all) the top p4p fighters and the most stacked divisions and it means a lot more to get to the top of a UFC division than to get to the top of any other organisations.

On March 13 2010 18:08 Funktion wrote: Haha thanks stim. I know how I'm sounding prattling on about UFC and I don't mean it to sound so preachy. So I pretty much deserve the picture. The worst part is I'm a former Pride nuthugger as well so it hurts a little still deep down inside to have to defend the UFC. The reality is though they have all (or almost all) the top p4p fighters and the most stacked divisions and it means a lot more to get to the top of a UFC division than to get to the top of any other organisations.

no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive )

im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now.

fedro > your hate.

ufc is a lot better now
umm and im beginning to loosen my grip on fedors nuts as well until he fights someone

GSP > Hardy (not even an interesting fight, Hardy isn't in the same league)
Mir - Carwin (I hate both of these guys personally so as long as one loses I'm happy, if I'm lucky maybe they both end up injured and on the shelf so long that people forget their exist)
Fitch > Alves (I got Fitch grinding this one out, if you're not GSP you're not beating him in the UFC)
Saunders > Ellenberger
Miller > Bocek
Diaz > Markham
Almeida > Brown

yea my point is that it's at least close to an discussion in light and light heavy. In Heavy though, who the hell has impressive victories?

On March 13 2010 18:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive ) im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now. fedro > your hate.

I do not agree he is the no.1 fighter in the world, that Sylvia was top 10 at the time or that AA was top 5 or that Rogers is top 10 or ever is/was. His record of 10-0 was built up on who exactly? If you put any of the top 10-15 UFC HW against those opponents then almost all of them would of been either 10-0 or at the very worst and I think it's almost impossible, 9-1.

Oh and pick out the top 10 at the time wins for me please of Fedor. I am interested to see who you pick.

On March 14 2010 05:30 DustySwedeDude wrote: In Heavy though, who the hell has impressive victories?

Are you talking in like the last year or in their careers?

i probably shouldn't have seen the ufc 112 fight card because it made me lose pretty much all interest for this except the off chance that people lose their house if gsp gets clipped.

On March 14 2010 11:20 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2010 05:30 DustySwedeDude wrote: In Heavy though, who the hell has impressive victories? Are you talking in like the last year or in their careers?

Last year or maybe last 2-3 years or so.

Lesnar is 4-1 (although, the loss is more then 2 years ago by a month or so) vs a 45 y/o, Heath Herring and 1-1 vs Frank Mir.

Mir is 4-1 with a win of Nog (obviously a good one), 1-1 vs Lesnar an a win over "wtf is ground game" Kongo.

Cain is 6-0 or something like that with a win vs Nog, wins vs Kongo and Rothwell in dominating fashion and then a bunch of cans. Arguably the most impressive performance of fighters mentioned so far.

Dos Santos is 4-0 vs decent/good opponents which is impressive too.

Fedor is 3-0 vs Sylvia (who was not as far down shit creak as he is now, but not in good shape), AA who at the time was on a 5 fight win streak over decent/good opponents and Rogers who was 10-0 (granted, vs mostly less then stellar opponents) with no fight going past the 2nd round.

Now, I'd be ok with people telling me that Cain has been more impressive in the last 2 years or so. It could even be argued that Lesnar is close to Fedor the last two years in terms of quality fighters, especially if we don't count his first two fights due to them being more then two years old. Other then that, just wtf are you people smoking? It's not like Fedor is fighting much worse opponents, at the very least.

I'm not argueing that Lesnar is better, fuck Lesnar. No one in this thread is I think? No one needs to defend what Fedor has done to this point except for in my opinion his last few fights. In my opinion they just are not getting any tougher for him when there are some top fighters out there who I would like to see Fedor fight. Unfortunetly they are primarily in the UFC.

Maybe I'm being to harsh on AA, maybe I just think of his glass jaw to much I don't know. I think you are giving a little less credit to Mir in the Kongo win than he deserves, not that it matters really though.

If you extend Fedors record past Sylvia you get Hong Man Choi, Mark Hunt, Mark Coleman and Matt Lindland. For me during those fights it has been pathetic then Sylvia got the chance and I was like well I don't rate Sylvia anymore but I at least thought with Sylvia he was moving up in quality. Then same again for AA. Then he gets Brett Rogers and then it's WTF all over again. That is how I have felt over the last few years of Fedor fighting. Never have I thought "wow this opponent is top notch" and it's get very frustrating for me to see one of the best p4p fighters constantly not having to live up to his potential.

On March 14 2010 11:16 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2010 18:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive ) im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now. fedro > your hate. I do not agree he is the no.1 fighter in the world, that Sylvia was top 10 at the time or that AA was top 5 or that Rogers is top 10 or ever is/was. His record of 10-0 was built up on who exactly? If you put any of the top 10-15 UFC HW against those opponents then almost all of them would of been either 10-0 or at the very worst and I think it's almost impossible, 9-1. Oh and pick out the top 10 at the time wins for me please of Fedor. I am interested to see who you pick.

well unfortunately for you at the time every single ranking site and 90% of mma fans disagreed with you.

youve must of just recently started watching mma.

and stop being a ufc nut hugger

gsp is fighting fucking dan hardy. bj is fucking fighting frankie edgar & anderson is fucking fighting damian maia.

If fedor dosn't start fighting top competetion there's gonna be a huge grey area in his legacy once he retires, I like him but I dont like what hes doing

been a fedor fan since his first few fights at pride.always looked down on the ufc but now fedor should fucking fight in the ufc or just plain retire a legend. him lingering and fighting bums and less than stellar opponents just hurts his image.

On March 15 2010 01:23 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2010 11:16 Funktion wrote:   On March 13 2010 18:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive ) im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now. fedro > your hate. I do not agree he is the no.1 fighter in the world, that Sylvia was top 10 at the time or that AA was top 5 or that Rogers is top 10 or ever is/was. His record of 10-0 was built up on who exactly? If you put any of the top 10-15 UFC HW against those opponents then almost all of them would of been either 10-0 or at the very worst and I think it's almost impossible, 9-1. Oh and pick out the top 10 at the time wins for me please of Fedor. I am interested to see who you pick. well unfortunately for you at the time every single ranking site and 90% of mma fans disagreed with you. youve must of just recently started watching mma.

I'm sorry to dissappoint you but I've prolly been watching the longest of anyone here. In the 90's somewhere back before even little ol' Sherdog was but a few small articles and about 5 highlight vids in .mov format of Frye, Sakuraba and Belfort. Just because I don't post in these threads that often doesn't mean I have not been watching very long, sorry to crush you're world but just because you post a lot doesn't mean you have been watching the longest or know the most. Oddly enough there are people out in the world who are over 20. Crazy I know.

It's quite clear from the last few posts that I am not the only one out there beginning to question the quality of Fedors opponents. It's not like this is new it's constantly arisen all over the internet sites over the last year or so.

On March 15 2010 01:31 TalentedTom wrote: If fedor dosn't start fighting top competetion there's gonna be a huge grey area in his legacy once he retires, I like him but I dont like what hes doing

On March 15 2010 02:15 whamm! wrote: been a fedor fan since his first few fights at pride.always looked down on the ufc but now fedor should fucking fight in the ufc or just plain retire a legend. him lingering and fighting bums and less than stellar opponents just hurts his image.

And this is exactly what I am saying along with many MANY others around the world.

what surprises me is that people are willing to consider shane carwin a worthy opponent but they dont do the same to rogers

... why?

look at their records, they pretty much look the same, they just fought 'cans' and won 1 fight against a top10 opponent.

but all you hear is 'fedor should fight in the ufc so he can face top competition like carwin mir lesnar' yea ok

^Word

Yea that's the problem. The UFC is as full of unworthy opponents as any other organisation at heavyweight.

On March 15 2010 01:25 Stim_Abuser wrote: and stop being a ufc nut hugger gsp is fighting fucking dan hardy. bj is fucking fighting frankie edgar & anderson is fucking fighting damian maia.

not really on either side here but who would you like them to fight outside the UFC that could challenge any of those 3 champs

GSP > Hardy
Mir > Carwin
Alves > Fitch by MDK

On March 15 2010 14:13 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2010 01:25 Stim_Abuser wrote: and stop being a ufc nut hugger gsp is fighting fucking dan hardy. bj is fucking fighting frankie edgar & anderson is fucking fighting damian maia. not really on either side here but who would you like them to fight outside the UFC that could challenge any of those 3 champs

@ lw - aoki, alvarez, kawajiri. hell grey maynard deserves a shot more.
@ ww - kos paul daley or paulo thiago. all pose more intresting threats than hardy. if youve followed hardy youd know he basically lost to gono ( easily in my opinion )
@ mw - i understand with the vitor injury that things go messed up so ill let this slide. though maias striking is so basic hes gonna get murdered. i think if he even gets guard silva will tko him. id rather him be facing chael sonnen, hendo, jacare

and its gonna be even more of a joke if brock ends up fighting mir in 3 of his first 6 fights.

i agree that soon fedor will run out of opponents after werdum/reem. but currently hes had a good streak of top competition. at the time he fought sylvia & arlovski there were no better opponents out there at hw trust me. people wanted him vs randy. i honestly think randy would of gotten brutally obliterated. if you think he should of been facing better heavyweights at the time please name them.

and like my boy raiden said. at the time he fought rogers his resume was as good as anyones in the ufc maybe besides brock & jds. plus his top 10 win was better than that of cains & carwins at the time.

other cans he fought. he fought lindland at the time when almost everyone had lindland in their top 10 p4p rankings. sure hes a mw but he was about the same size as fedro in the fight. sure it shouldnt mean a whole lot at heavyweight but it was still a good matchup.

all rankings and everything aside i think there are only 3 legit exciting threats left for fedor in mma. brock lesnar, cain velasquez and overeem. yes i wanna see him in the ufc after he beats the reem but i got bad news. its not gonna happen. fedor doesnt care about legacy. he doesnt care about rankings. i dont think he cares about money. i think he just wants to fight and make those close to him happy. that means making m-1 happy. m-1 is not going to let fedor fight in the ufc unless they co-promote. the ufc is never going to co-promote.

i agree this sucks ass. but its fedors life. how can you blame someone for making the decisions they feel are best for them?

Well if it makes anyone feel any better I don't rate Carwin either. Mir vs Carwin I don't think does much if anything for Mir. In my opinion I think of Carwin and Rogers as pretty much the same as far as rankings go. I mean Carwin in his last fight was out on his feet in the first 30 seconds and looked basically terrible imo.

I don't really blame Fedor for decisions because I think he pretty much leaves it up to Finkelstein. Who is pretty much all about building up M-1 atm.

On March 15 2010 14:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2010 14:13 Jamie217 wrote: not really on either side here but who would you like them to fight outside the UFC that could challenge any of those 3 champs @ lw - aoki, alvarez, kawajiri. hell grey maynard deserves a shot more. @ ww - kos paul daley or paulo thiago. all pose more intresting threats than hardy. if youve followed hardy youd know he basically lost to gono ( easily in my opinion ) @ mw - i understand with the vitor injury that things go messed up so ill let this slide. though maias striking is so basic hes gonna get murdered. i think if he even gets guard silva will tko him. id rather him be facing chael sonnen, hendo, jacare and its gonna be even more of a joke if brock ends up fighting mir in 3 of his first 6 fights.

Everyone you listed for WW is in the UFC...and do you really think any of those 3 will challenge GSP? I'd rather stick with Hardy, it's pretty much the same almost. Just because Kos whines 24/7 that he should of had the shot instead of Hardy doesn't mean its true. Last time he spent 3 rounds on his back vs GSP. GSP is like 20 times better since then, I've seen no great improvement in Kos since then. Daley is 2-0 in the UFC over at least 2 competent opponents so your saying 2 fights and you get a title shot now? Weren't you against Lesnar? Maybe Thiago deserves it most but then he has lost to Fitch and Fitch got mauled by GSP and also looked unimpressive vs Volkmann and only average vs Swick. Anyway I look at it all 3 of those will get destroyed by GSP.
Silva is only facing Maia and not Sonnen because Sonnen is on medical suspension until whenever. Maia is also on suspension and has to be cleared (he may be already but I haven't heard). Maia beat Sonnen also so it's not like him getting the shot is out of no where. I think Hendo deserved another shot though and would of liked to of seen that fight.

Kind of funny how Mir has hyped himself up to be MMA's saviour in his journey to take down Brock Lesnar. Almost makes me want to root for the douche bag

On March 16 2010 14:36 JonnyCosMo wrote: Kind of funny how Mir has hyped himself up to be MMA's saviour in his journey to take down Brock Lesnar. Almost makes me want to root for the douche bag

meh i hate him and brock equally. its pretty gay that this winner gets the title shot. honestly is there anything either of them could do that would impress you more than what cain velasquez has done at this point?

War GSP & MIR

On March 15 2010 14:45 Cro)Deadman wrote: GSP > Hardy Mir > Carwin Alves > Fitch by MDK

<3

Dont know the hate on Mir by many of u guys.

Frank mir is an excellent fighter who came back from a serious motorcycle accident.
He has very good BJJ and decent stand up + lots of heart and a mission in his life ( brock lesnar)

pretty nice official hype video

How did Carwin get hyped? At least Hardy and Mir has personality.

in that video did dana really say dan hardy's standup is perfect loooooooooool

Yeah White says some pretty dumb shit to hype up fights. People hate Mir because he sounds like a cocky motherfucker all the time. Dan Hardy's strat of "Yeah I will be taken down but he will eventually get caught" is so stupid. Anyone who has a strat of "I'm gonna hit him sooner or later" is an idiot and doesn't deserve to be champion, let alone a title shot.

LOL

This totally looks like Dan Hardy imo (from ROFL thread):

On March 17 2010 12:50 LikeASet wrote: Yeah White says some pretty dumb shit to hype up fights. People hate Mir because he sounds like a cocky motherfucker all the time. Dan Hardy's strat of "Yeah I will be taken down but he will eventually get caught" is so stupid. Anyone who has a strat of "I'm gonna hit him sooner or later" is an idiot and doesn't deserve to be champion, let alone a title shot.

yeah its just retarded, ok dana if dan hardys standup is perfect lets throw him in K1 and see what happens

and yeah very good gameplan

On March 17 2010 11:54 Jamie217 wrote: in that video did dana really say dan hardy's standup is perfect loooooooooool

yea my drink came through my nose on that one...

On March 17 2010 11:29 PplusAD wrote: pretty nice official hype video

couldnt watch it, what a farce, even gsps stand up is way way better then hardy's

On March 17 2010 11:45 DustySwedeDude wrote: How did Carwin get hyped? At least Hardy and Mir has personality.

his size lol. they were hyping him as some sort of bob sapp with skills who cuts to 265.

why do we have to talk about Fedor being or not being the best P2P in the world?

Well realistically there can only be 2 contenders for that title and that is Silva and Fedor, people bitch that he hasnt fought any though competition lately which is ridiculous if you compare it to Silvas fights i mean who really really though has Silva fought lately? Griffin? i mean he is like +240 againt Rogeiro now for ffs...

I dont know who do people want Fedor to fight against (besides obv Lesnar), sorry to burst your bubble but Werdrum and overeem are way superior than the whole heavy weight division in the UFC

lol at werdum being superior to whole ufc hw division, his last fight in the ufc he lost to jds remember? and i'd take cain lesnar nogueira and mir before werdum also

No wonder Baal got demodded ( )

Seriously this is how I view hw division:

Fedor > Lesnar (pre illness) > winner of Carwin / Mir (prolly Mir) > Cain > loser of Carwin / Mir (Carwin) vs Big Nog > Junior Dos Santos > loser of loser of Carwin/Mir vs Big Nog > Brett Rogers > winner of possible Gonzaga vs Kongo > Fabricio Werdum > Ultrareem > everyone else is garbage ...

I think Uberreem and Barnett would be ~50/50 against anyone in the UFC. I'd probably pick Ubereem over most of them and probably Lesnar > Barnett assuming Lesnar is back in shape. However, I do agree that they haven't fought anything impressive lately so ranking wise they'd be lower. Also Barnett has gotten caught roiding a few to many times.

i just wanted to say before saturday....

OH MY LORD hardy is gonna get rolled so hard. hardy might be the worst grappler gsp has ever faced. at the very least the worst grappler gsp has faced in about 6 years.

lol, everytime I watch UFC primetime they make it sound like if GSP stands with Hardy hes gonna get knocked out - Hardy's stand up is "flawless" i keep laughing every time I see it. Mir vs Carwin is gonna be very interesting, mostly because I want to see how well Mir performs, I have high expectations for him

FUCK UFC
SERIOUSLYYYY

On March 26 2010 10:33 Stim_Abuser wrote: i just wanted to say before saturday.... OH MY LORD hardy is gonna get rolled so hard. hardy might be the worst grappler gsp has ever faced. at the very least the worst grappler gsp has faced in about 6 years.

Yeah I think the biggest logical flaw of quite a few in Hardy's game plan is "he will take me down and I will get back up.." lol

2 weeks or whatever training with Serra should give Hardy the advantage on the ground now.

But seriously I hope it stays standing for a little while just to see how they compare. Hardy has been hit a lot before and it looked like it just did not bother him at all. I think GSP will obviously just take him down, if it's easy for him then I think it will be over for Hardy. Not sure if it will finish before decision. Maybe GSP by sub or Hardy by TKO. I think a lot of people here are really under estimating Hardy.

Sportsbet here in Aus have GSP at $1.15 and Hardy at $5. Unitab has Hardy at $5.75 and GSP at $1.10.

Bet at Home has GSP at 1.07 id have to bet my house to buy a cheesburger with the profits.

On March 26 2010 13:00 hoylemj wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2010 10:33 Stim_Abuser wrote: i just wanted to say before saturday.... OH MY LORD hardy is gonna get rolled so hard. hardy might be the worst grappler gsp has ever faced. at the very least the worst grappler gsp has faced in about 6 years. Yeah I think the biggest logical flaw of quite a few in Hardy's game plan is "he will take me down and I will get back up.." lol

Yea rofl...

I think this is going to look extremely similar to GSP vs Serra 2 just because GSP only has to worry about Hardy's hands, therefore will be employing same strategy ftw

On March 26 2010 13:31 Funktion wrote: 2 weeks or whatever training with Serra should give Hardy the advantage on the ground now. Sportsbet here in Aus have GSP at $1.15 and Hardy at $5. Unitab has Hardy at $5.75 and GSP at $1.10.

What?...Naw...

Hardy has no advantages, anywhere, period. I hope GSP grabs hardy by his fuckin frohawk and rips it off.

brb cashing out entire BR so I can bet it on GSP

the line changed b/c more ppl are betting on hardy LOL, so much greed for 6 : 1 odds

but the good news is that if u take GSP u get a better deal now

On March 26 2010 15:58 RaiNKhAN wrote: the line changed b/c more ppl are betting on hardy LOL, so much greed for 6 : 1 odds but the good news is that if u take GSP u get a better deal now

I swear this has to be due to UFC primetime, they make it seem like this is a 50/50 fight, that Hardy is the best standup in the 170 lp division and if GSP dosnt take him down hes as good as finished. After watching that I almost beleived hardy can beat GSP

from a realistic point of view

GSP vs Hardy pure stand up battle 65-35 in favour of GSP
Ground battle GSP 100-0 hardy

but they make it look like Hardy is the better striker lolz

shit pinny has 7.22

would be great if they were as evenly matched as when they gave these same odds for shogun vs lyoto

btw anyone has pics of the weight in ?
would be interested how mir looks compared to carwin

wtf, u just watched ufc prime time, seemed so one sided. GSP's camp looks so professional unlike Hardy's. Hardy's was like 4 ppl. I don't know Hardy is taking so much pride in training under Serra, Serra doesn't even fight a lot and he couldn't even beat a washed up Matt Hughes not to mention he got man handled the last time he faught gsp.

lol Bet at Home doesnt even take anymore bets on the GSP vs Hardy fight.

Carwin KO's Mir but shatters his hand and is out for 6months or so, just my dreams.

On March 26 2010 15:58 TalentedTom wrote: brb cashing out entire BR so I can bet it on GSP

before you do this watch GSP vs Serra 1 a few times!!!


Link

On March 26 2010 15:48 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2010 13:00 hoylemj wrote:   On March 26 2010 10:33 Stim_Abuser wrote: i just wanted to say before saturday.... OH MY LORD hardy is gonna get rolled so hard. hardy might be the worst grappler gsp has ever faced. at the very least the worst grappler gsp has faced in about 6 years. Yeah I think the biggest logical flaw of quite a few in Hardy's game plan is "he will take me down and I will get back up.." lol Yea rofl... I think this is going to look extremely similar to GSP vs Serra 2 just because GSP only has to worry about Hardy's hands, therefore will be employing same strategy ftw

cept serra is a very legit very good bjj BB.

hardy is a fucking purple shirt. rofl.

i found the weight in pictures

Mir ripped at 265 ! ( walks around at ~ 285+ when not ripped)



Carwin at 265

since when is hardy a better striker than GSP is my question

The funny thing is that except for that 1 fluke hit of serra and the BJP vs GSP 1 fight ( BJ is an exscellent striker)
GSP has dominated all his opponents not only on the ground but in the striking game, too

GSP is probably a TOP 5 Striker in the UFC 170pound class

But UFC desperatly trying to hype Hardy for PPV-selling reason

not just that but i dont buy that gsp has a bad chin, when was he ever stunned besides the serra fight when he took a huge shot behind the ear? he took a lot of abuse in the bj fight and fought through it

just ate dinner with dzoo right near cain velasquez

he seemed like nice guy talking and signing everything and smiling and shit

couple other guys around too

somehow we didnt think enough to go to the weighins

you guys are crazy as fuck underestimating hardy.

he definitely by far not even close has a superior mo hawk to gsp

BUT THEY PLAYED SEX PISTOLS DURING THE PRIMETIME SHOW! HOW CAN HE LOSE!?

also dunno if anyone heard but alves is out and ben saunders is now fighting Jon Fitch

On March 26 2010 21:50 Jamie217 wrote: also dunno if anyone heard but alves is out and ben saunders is now fighting Jon Fitch

alves is more than out, apparently his career is in jeopardy

On March 26 2010 22:06 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2010 21:50 Jamie217 wrote: also dunno if anyone heard but alves is out and ben saunders is now fighting Jon Fitch alves is more than out, apparently his career is in jeopardy

ye pretty scary stuff, he doesnt seem to be too concerned though lol

Depending on what they find when they do a more elaborate brain scan, he should be able to avoid surgery and resume fighting. Since his condition isn't usually life threatening (I think from what I just read it's like 10%) and also there isn't enough evidence and research that relates to fighting & causing his condition to worsen. So hopefully he's not gonna be forced to retire or anything.

Here's the link to the story on his condition.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/...ne-Alves-and-Brain-Irregularity-23486

Who's watching this on PPV or going out?


I found out GSP trains on the track that is right in front of my house. About 60 yards from where I'm sitting right now.


GO GSP!!!!!

is the fight already over? or is it on saturday at 7?

nvm saturday at 7 as standard

me and shaneomac/bigbluffer79 are goin to see it live. any other LPers gonna be there?

gsp rockin da skeletor

huh dude has an aneurysm AND tangled blood vessels in his brain, he gets hit wrong 1 time and he fucking dies, he can continue his career np? ya otay.

Just in case you've miss the PPV and don't get to see gsp vs hardy here's a video of it below

On March 27 2010 14:42 sawseech wrote: huh dude has an aneurysm AND tangled blood vessels in his brain, he gets hit wrong 1 time and he fucking dies, he can continue his career np? ya otay.

last I heard they didn't find anything serious just an irregularity and wanted to just be extra cautious like they should with the brain.

On March 27 2010 15:01 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2010 14:42 sawseech wrote: huh dude has an aneurysm AND tangled blood vessels in his brain, he gets hit wrong 1 time and he fucking dies, he can continue his career np? ya otay. last I heard they didn't find anything serious just an irregularity and wanted to just be extra cautious like they should with the brain.

Read about it on page 6, it's not as serious as it could have been and he probably won't have to retire or anything.

any streams available ?

TVU and Justin TV + MMAshare will probably have streams up in 4hours

PUMPED UP FOR THIS. Need streams when it happens of course.

Picks:

GSP
Mir
Alves

Really only care about GSP fight, as he's Canadian and therefore my boy.

what are odds in mir vs carwin ?
hardy vs gsp?

This starting now? Streams?

edit: 7 pm PST. fuuuuu

streams please T_T

i wanna bet on hardy lolz
what are the odds on this fight? i think he will suckout with a nice knee or punch

On March 27 2010 18:12 whamm! wrote: what are odds in mir vs carwin ? hardy vs gsp?

www.bestfightodds.com

gsp -650 ish
mir -160 ish

TVU stream doesnt connect...

Justin TV stream is up very crappy buffering like every 7seconds for 3 seconds

Anyone know a website for the Erik Morales vs. Jose Alfaro match? http://fightnights.com/fight-card.php?id=777

Started at 20:00 (14 mins ago) LP.net time.

I don't see it on Ilemi and ATDHE.

now justin TV stream is down ...

i guess TVU and Sopcast stream wont be up before the main fights in a few hours ?

Ahhh I think I'll buy PPV for this.


Can't afford to have a choppy stream while GSP is pounding the shit out of Hardy.

WAR

iti will start in 20min...

RIGHT?

On March 27 2010 20:36 Raidern wrote: iti will start in 20min... RIGHT?

http://www.flfree.net/03-27/watch-ufc-111-st-pierre-vs-hardy.html

damn no free local cable here in the philippines as well. ufc is tightening up

anyone got a decent stream or a sopcast link?

last stream posted is very good quality but its choppy as fuck for me, i duno if its my crappy internet or what..

I PPVed it, I could livestream it if enough people want me to.

Also gotta figure out livestream

Never mind, I don't have a camcorder.

On March 27 2010 20:56 Tien wrote: I PPVed it, I could livestream it if enough people want me to. Also gotta figure out livestream

yes plz

also last stream posted is choppy for me too; it's on their end

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/85856