UFC 111 predictions - Page 3

On March 13 2010 02:31 woodbrave1 wrote: Maruisz pudzianowski can shoulder press with 1 shoulder Brock lesnars body weight. He could 1arm bench Brock lesnar at age 16. Marius pudz can 1leg press 2x Brock lesnar body weight. Maruisz eats 3 lbs of bacon every morning with a dozen eggs. If fighting is about skill remove the weight limits so maruisz can grow to 350 lbs of the strongest man in the world. And see what skill counts for against physical talent and heart.

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Haha thanks stim. I know how I'm sounding prattling on about UFC and I don't mean it to sound so preachy. So I pretty much deserve the picture. The worst part is I'm a former Pride nuthugger as well so it hurts a little still deep down inside to have to defend the UFC. The reality is though they have all (or almost all) the top p4p fighters and the most stacked divisions and it means a lot more to get to the top of a UFC division than to get to the top of any other organisations.

On March 13 2010 18:08 Funktion wrote: Haha thanks stim. I know how I'm sounding prattling on about UFC and I don't mean it to sound so preachy. So I pretty much deserve the picture. The worst part is I'm a former Pride nuthugger as well so it hurts a little still deep down inside to have to defend the UFC. The reality is though they have all (or almost all) the top p4p fighters and the most stacked divisions and it means a lot more to get to the top of a UFC division than to get to the top of any other organisations.

no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive )

im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now.

fedro > your hate.

ufc is a lot better now
umm and im beginning to loosen my grip on fedors nuts as well until he fights someone

GSP > Hardy (not even an interesting fight, Hardy isn't in the same league)
Mir - Carwin (I hate both of these guys personally so as long as one loses I'm happy, if I'm lucky maybe they both end up injured and on the shelf so long that people forget their exist)
Fitch > Alves (I got Fitch grinding this one out, if you're not GSP you're not beating him in the UFC)
Saunders > Ellenberger
Miller > Bocek
Diaz > Markham
Almeida > Brown

yea my point is that it's at least close to an discussion in light and light heavy. In Heavy though, who the hell has impressive victories?

On March 13 2010 18:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive ) im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now. fedro > your hate.

I do not agree he is the no.1 fighter in the world, that Sylvia was top 10 at the time or that AA was top 5 or that Rogers is top 10 or ever is/was. His record of 10-0 was built up on who exactly? If you put any of the top 10-15 UFC HW against those opponents then almost all of them would of been either 10-0 or at the very worst and I think it's almost impossible, 9-1.

Oh and pick out the top 10 at the time wins for me please of Fedor. I am interested to see who you pick.

On March 14 2010 05:30 DustySwedeDude wrote: In Heavy though, who the hell has impressive victories?

Are you talking in like the last year or in their careers?

i probably shouldn't have seen the ufc 112 fight card because it made me lose pretty much all interest for this except the off chance that people lose their house if gsp gets clipped.

On March 14 2010 11:20 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2010 05:30 DustySwedeDude wrote: In Heavy though, who the hell has impressive victories? Are you talking in like the last year or in their careers?

Last year or maybe last 2-3 years or so.

Lesnar is 4-1 (although, the loss is more then 2 years ago by a month or so) vs a 45 y/o, Heath Herring and 1-1 vs Frank Mir.

Mir is 4-1 with a win of Nog (obviously a good one), 1-1 vs Lesnar an a win over "wtf is ground game" Kongo.

Cain is 6-0 or something like that with a win vs Nog, wins vs Kongo and Rothwell in dominating fashion and then a bunch of cans. Arguably the most impressive performance of fighters mentioned so far.

Dos Santos is 4-0 vs decent/good opponents which is impressive too.

Fedor is 3-0 vs Sylvia (who was not as far down shit creak as he is now, but not in good shape), AA who at the time was on a 5 fight win streak over decent/good opponents and Rogers who was 10-0 (granted, vs mostly less then stellar opponents) with no fight going past the 2nd round.

Now, I'd be ok with people telling me that Cain has been more impressive in the last 2 years or so. It could even be argued that Lesnar is close to Fedor the last two years in terms of quality fighters, especially if we don't count his first two fights due to them being more then two years old. Other then that, just wtf are you people smoking? It's not like Fedor is fighting much worse opponents, at the very least.

I'm not argueing that Lesnar is better, fuck Lesnar. No one in this thread is I think? No one needs to defend what Fedor has done to this point except for in my opinion his last few fights. In my opinion they just are not getting any tougher for him when there are some top fighters out there who I would like to see Fedor fight. Unfortunetly they are primarily in the UFC.

Maybe I'm being to harsh on AA, maybe I just think of his glass jaw to much I don't know. I think you are giving a little less credit to Mir in the Kongo win than he deserves, not that it matters really though.

If you extend Fedors record past Sylvia you get Hong Man Choi, Mark Hunt, Mark Coleman and Matt Lindland. For me during those fights it has been pathetic then Sylvia got the chance and I was like well I don't rate Sylvia anymore but I at least thought with Sylvia he was moving up in quality. Then same again for AA. Then he gets Brett Rogers and then it's WTF all over again. That is how I have felt over the last few years of Fedor fighting. Never have I thought "wow this opponent is top notch" and it's get very frustrating for me to see one of the best p4p fighters constantly not having to live up to his potential.

On March 14 2010 11:16 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2010 18:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive ) im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now. fedro > your hate. I do not agree he is the no.1 fighter in the world, that Sylvia was top 10 at the time or that AA was top 5 or that Rogers is top 10 or ever is/was. His record of 10-0 was built up on who exactly? If you put any of the top 10-15 UFC HW against those opponents then almost all of them would of been either 10-0 or at the very worst and I think it's almost impossible, 9-1. Oh and pick out the top 10 at the time wins for me please of Fedor. I am interested to see who you pick.

well unfortunately for you at the time every single ranking site and 90% of mma fans disagreed with you.

youve must of just recently started watching mma.

and stop being a ufc nut hugger

gsp is fighting fucking dan hardy. bj is fucking fighting frankie edgar & anderson is fucking fighting damian maia.

If fedor dosn't start fighting top competetion there's gonna be a huge grey area in his legacy once he retires, I like him but I dont like what hes doing

been a fedor fan since his first few fights at pride.always looked down on the ufc but now fedor should fucking fight in the ufc or just plain retire a legend. him lingering and fighting bums and less than stellar opponents just hurts his image.

On March 15 2010 01:23 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2010 11:16 Funktion wrote:   On March 13 2010 18:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: no need to defend the ufc. its the best org by far. but fedor is the #1 fighter in the world. tim sylvia was top 10 at the time. andrei was top 5. rogers was top 10. ( 10-0 all tko/kos with a win over top 10 andrei is impressive ) im pretty sure fedor has more top 10 wins than at the top right now. fedro > your hate. I do not agree he is the no.1 fighter in the world, that Sylvia was top 10 at the time or that AA was top 5 or that Rogers is top 10 or ever is/was. His record of 10-0 was built up on who exactly? If you put any of the top 10-15 UFC HW against those opponents then almost all of them would of been either 10-0 or at the very worst and I think it's almost impossible, 9-1. Oh and pick out the top 10 at the time wins for me please of Fedor. I am interested to see who you pick. well unfortunately for you at the time every single ranking site and 90% of mma fans disagreed with you. youve must of just recently started watching mma.

I'm sorry to dissappoint you but I've prolly been watching the longest of anyone here. In the 90's somewhere back before even little ol' Sherdog was but a few small articles and about 5 highlight vids in .mov format of Frye, Sakuraba and Belfort. Just because I don't post in these threads that often doesn't mean I have not been watching very long, sorry to crush you're world but just because you post a lot doesn't mean you have been watching the longest or know the most. Oddly enough there are people out in the world who are over 20. Crazy I know.

It's quite clear from the last few posts that I am not the only one out there beginning to question the quality of Fedors opponents. It's not like this is new it's constantly arisen all over the internet sites over the last year or so.

On March 15 2010 01:31 TalentedTom wrote: If fedor dosn't start fighting top competetion there's gonna be a huge grey area in his legacy once he retires, I like him but I dont like what hes doing

On March 15 2010 02:15 whamm! wrote: been a fedor fan since his first few fights at pride.always looked down on the ufc but now fedor should fucking fight in the ufc or just plain retire a legend. him lingering and fighting bums and less than stellar opponents just hurts his image.

And this is exactly what I am saying along with many MANY others around the world.

what surprises me is that people are willing to consider shane carwin a worthy opponent but they dont do the same to rogers

... why?

look at their records, they pretty much look the same, they just fought 'cans' and won 1 fight against a top10 opponent.

but all you hear is 'fedor should fight in the ufc so he can face top competition like carwin mir lesnar' yea ok

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Yea that's the problem. The UFC is as full of unworthy opponents as any other organisation at heavyweight.