Once again to those genious people on the west sitting on their couch thinking they have these "riots" all figured out:
Below is a video and pictures that you should see to understand why the situation is MUCH more complicated that you would think.
Please do not do your western analysis in middle east policy. It would be as wrong to do a middle east analysis on western issues.
On June 22 2009 15:31 capaneo wrote:
Once again to those genious people on the west sitting on their couch thinking they have these "riots" all figured out:
Below is a video and pictures that you should see to understand why the situation is MUCH more complicated that you would think.
yes capaneo, your video of a police officer beating up a car definitely proved that this situation is MUCH more complicated than we might think. such massive intricacies and complications went into the act of those police smashing that car. that was truly a gem of a video, certainly clarified things.
i'm not arguing any side of this issue, as i don't consider myself educated at ALL on this subject, but i can 100% say that these religious zealots and they're fucked up system of rule and governance is hilariously ridiculous.
in allah we trust
im at nl25 cos ppl r more aggresiv they r shoving more and play better, so if i want too improve its +ev to play more nl25 before i move to nl200 - genjix
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ToTehEastSide United States. Jun 22 2009 18:02. Posts 1337
On June 22 2009 15:31 capaneo wrote:
Once again to those genious people on the west sitting on their couch thinking they have these "riots" all figured out:
Below is a video and pictures that you should see to understand why the situation is MUCH more complicated that you would think.
yes capaneo, your video of a police officer beating up a car definitely proved that this situation is MUCH more complicated than we might think. such massive intricacies and complications went into the act of those police smashing that car. that was truly a gem of a video, certainly clarified things.
i'm not arguing any side of this issue, as i don't consider myself educated at ALL on this subject, but i can 100% say that these religious zealots and they're fucked up system of rule and governance is hilariously ridiculous.
in allah we trust
fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity
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ToTehEastSide United States. Jun 22 2009 18:04. Posts 1337
On June 22 2009 15:31 capaneo wrote:
Once again to those genious people on the west sitting on their couch thinking they have these "riots" all figured out:
Below is a video and pictures that you should see to understand why the situation is MUCH more complicated that you would think.
Please do not do your western analysis in middle east policy. It would be as wrong to do a middle east analysis on western issues.
On June 22 2009 21:25 capaneo wrote:
It means the goverment is basically "framing" the protests as riots.
I think its important to try and establish how much of whats going on over there are riots and how much is peaceful protest. Cap you're not claiming that there is no actual rioting going on are you? And if there is rioting, or violent protest, do you not agree that most countries would use some degree of force to subdue the riots?
As for government using force against peaceful protesters, and/or religious militia doing the same (perhaps under government direction) i get the impression that is happening too, can we all agree on that? Then can we not all agree that is much more serious in alot of ways than police subduing a riot. It has more cultural significance and is more likely to have serious and far reaching consequences?
The Venezuela comparison is interesting too, maybe curtainsea is right and very little tangible change will come out of this.
Also, if enough people riot for long enough, refusing to obey the government, when does it become revolution? Only if its successful in displacing the government?
On June 22 2009 11:42 Racist Dragon wrote:
any country that still uses high clerics, religious leaders and the like as their "Supreme" leader is fucking delusional. guardian council? get the fuck outta here
easy for us to say but i'm sure it makes alot more sense when you're a devout believer
For those of you who care.
I found this AMAZING documantry about Iran and the current state it is in.
Its 18 parts and around 3 hours.
And why this moment in Iran's recent election. Is VERY dangerous for the western world.
When these "riots" in Iran gets settled.
ANY person you see who is a moderate on the Iranian side in that video will be either executed or silence for ever.
The world will be left with all those religious nuts in power to deal with.
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curtinsea United States. Jun 23 2009 16:32. Posts 576
On June 22 2009 21:25 capaneo wrote:
It means the goverment is basically "framing" the protests as riots.
if enough people riot for long enough, refusing to obey the government, when does it become revolution? Only if its successful in displacing the government?
It looks like this is petering out already. There is disappointment being expressed on the cable news channels because of a lack of encouragement for the protesters from the west.
It becomes a revolution once change has been effected. So far this isn't happening in Iran. It isn't even the top story on the news anymore. The bandwagon isn't running anymore.
On June 22 2009 11:42 Racist Dragon wrote:
any country that still uses high clerics, religious leaders and the like as their "Supreme" leader is fucking delusional. guardian council? get the fuck outta here
easy for us to say but i'm sure it makes alot more sense when you're a devout believer
If i remember correctly George Bush used many quotes about the Iraq war speaking about God.. and he once actually said he spoke with God.
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