Iran Uprising - Page 3

plz shut up. u dont know anything about iranian history. western influence has been a curse there for centuries and will just fuck everything up

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basijis are shooting now. she's #neda on twitter fyi. basijis have been sending men into the protest crowds with razors to randomly cut people up.

on twitter, u can find various stuff under #iranelection . whereis myvote on facebook. alot of content is on various friends facebooks who upload their first hand material and repost other popular media. so if u know any iranians u should try to add them.

Ok so you wanna have a zombie nation like Afghanistan? Then we should only "pick a side" when we have planes flying into buildings?

Im not talking about intervening. Im talking about support.
If there is a football game going on. Having support for one side doesnt mean getting into the middle of the field and running with the ball. You can stay on the rail but be VERY supportive of one side. You can boost your team morals. You can give them financial support. You can do lots of things.

BTW this is very normal and standard stuff. French did it for America.
America did it for Europe during WWII prior to Pearl Harbor.

ok i see what ur saying. but its still bad and will hinder not help opposition

iran is not afghanistan. even the zealots do not advocate attacking civilians. in fact iran is more moderate than saudi arabia ffs. the previous govt was western oriented but a dictator and many ppl are still modern and westernised... just living under a theocracy

Very depressing. A friend informed me over Skype that a score of people had been shot last night, another friend arrested together with his mothers leg having been broken by Basiji. People have been trying to seek shelter in mosques for protection which they haven't provided.

He sounds pessimistic. That the situation will quiet down and come to an end with only a minor change if anything. Sad. Civilians are afraid to leave their houses. Assembly is totally out of the question.

Worth mentioning is that most internet services have been cut, including all IM, https and email. Wide brush of websites are blocked. All SMS is down, phones are all monitored. Foreign media is banned with jamming signals for foreign broadcasts. Only Skype really works-- but with a 20 second delay between speech!

wtf is this User447

You come in saying how the US needs to make sure the right side wins and mark ur words we are next and then you backpedal saying oh you just mean moral support, money would be nice then end with "Its very American of you guys to think that taking a clear position on an issue means dropping bombs!?"

forgive me if I don't continue with you and the obv no spin zone u got there Mr Bill O'Reilly
g'day

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actually I will say one piece before checkout - tho hopefully I am wrong when I say this, there is a decent chance you are going to get your wish
I mean in seeing what you are wanting, you already have that in part - just look at what the House of Rep recently voted on
http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=755183




genjix last night were the ppl shot in demonstrations or random killings or what?

On June 21 2009 05:16 User447 wrote: Ok so you wanna have a zombie nation like Afghanistan? Then we should only "pick a side" when we have planes flying into buildings? Im not talking about intervening. Im talking about support. If there is a football game going on. Having support for one side doesnt mean getting into the middle of the field and running with the ball. You can stay on the rail but be VERY supportive of one side. You can boost your team morals. You can give them financial support. You can do lots of things. BTW this is very normal and standard stuff. French did it for America. America did it for Europe during WWII prior to Pearl Harbor.

User447 doesn't want to play football, but thinks we should line up on one side and rah rah for that team, buy their souvenirs, wear their colors, write about the games . . .

who is this user447 tool. Maybe he really is Bill o retardo in disguise.

wow i had little knowledge of just how bad iran was getting. Sad shit.

i dont understand
how did Baal not start another anti american thread here

this is certain not to be a popular view, but the more video of this stuff I see the more it looks like just another riot, much like we see in our own country. More people beating each other in the streets than protesters clashing with police. This isn't revolution, it's a riot. Mob rule mentality. The body count is amazingly low considering how much attention this is getting. How that country deals with it is up to them, we can't very well impose our ideals on them, it isn't ours to say who is right and who is wrong when there is disagreement of values. There are plenty of videos out there of riots in America and how the police use violence to quell them. Look up Kent State, or the Rodney King Verdict riots, or the WTO riots here in Seattle. We are not so different when we perceive injustice, and our government not so different in how it responds. Rioting is not the answer, in fact it is counter productive. And it should not be encouraged from outside countries. We should not be taking sides, rather we should encourage both sides to calm down and stop the violence.

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On June 21 2009 08:43 ToTehEastSide wrote: wtf is this User447 You come in saying how the US needs to make sure the right side wins and mark ur words we are next and then you backpedal saying oh you just mean moral support, money would be nice then end with "Its very American of you guys to think that taking a clear position on an issue means dropping bombs!?" forgive me if I don't continue with you and the obv no spin zone u got there Mr Bill O'Reilly g'day [edit] actually I will say one piece before checkout - tho hopefully I am wrong when I say this, there is a decent chance you are going to get your wish I mean in seeing what you are wanting, you already have that in part - just look at what the House of Rep recently voted on http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=755183 genjix last night were the ppl shot in demonstrations or random killings or what?

Im sorry if you missunderstood me. But this is the post I wrote here:

On June 20 2009 23:20 User447 wrote: No I dont think US should "invade" Iran. But they have to MAKE SURE the Ayatollahs regime wont be able to do what China did. The world can use their political arm/economic arm/Intelligence service. There are lots of options. Im saying if world stay aside and not do ANYTHING. And just wait for a side to win and then make biz as normal with them this will hunt us. Just look at history and Afghanistan. What makes you think this will be ANY different? I say the world has to MAKE SURE the right side wins. And the right side is not the one who yells DEATH TO AMERICA and DEATH TO ENGLAND every chance they get. I dont know how anyone can disagree with that.

I have no idea how you say I "backpedal"?? I even clearly said it there.
And yes I think the west should provide weapons for the opposition. Thats why we have CIA and MI6. And its very legal. Like I said before we have to "make sure" the right side wins. kind of like France did during the independence of USA. Its very normal.

You were the one who intermediately thought that "support" and "making sure" means dropping nuclear bombs!

On June 21 2009 15:37 User447 wrote: And yes I think the west should provide weapons for the opposition. Thats why we have CIA and MI6. And its very legal. Like I said before we have to "make sure" the right side wins. kind of like France did during the independence of USA. Its very normal.

Are you for real? This isn't revolution, there isn't an opposition army you can provide weapons to. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo.

rioting = tilt

You take some bad beats, in poker and in life. The measure of the player/person is how they deal with the adversity. You don't just shove all your chips in the middle trying to win it all back in one hand do you? Only if you suck. You get back to basics and grind it out. Make steady progress and rebuild.

The problem gets solved politically not beating each other in the streets

On June 21 2009 14:44 curtinsea wrote: this is certain not to be a popular view, but the more video of this stuff I see the more it looks like just another riot, much like we see in our own country. More people beating each other in the streets than protesters clashing with police. This isn't revolution, it's a riot. Mob rule mentality. The body count is amazingly low considering how much attention this is getting. How that country deals with it is up to them, we can't very well impose our ideals on them, it isn't ours to say who is right and who is wrong when there is disagreement of values. There are plenty of videos out there of riots in America and how the police use violence to quell them. Look up Kent State, or the Rodney King Verdict riots, or the WTO riots here in Seattle. We are not so different when we perceive injustice, and our government not so different in how it responds. Rioting is not the answer, in fact it is counter productive. And it should not be encouraged from outside countries. We should not be taking sides, rather we should encourage both sides to calm down and stop the violence.

You are wrong. People are not bearing each other! Its the government forces shooting people.
they have over thousands of people in prison by now. The government goes to hospitals and arrest wounded people there. The government is raiding peoples homes at night and arrest random young people. All these people will get death penalty according to laws in Iran.
And the main difference is that they are not a bunch of people in a city pissed about someone spending time in jail or not being able to get jobs. The whole country(all major cities) wants the current regime to be thrown out and leaders to be trialed.
How can you say they are the same thing???

On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2009 15:37 User447 wrote: And yes I think the west should provide weapons for the opposition. Thats why we have CIA and MI6. And its very legal. Like I said before we have to "make sure" the right side wins. kind of like France did during the independence of USA. Its very normal. Are you for real? This isn't revolution, there isn't an opposition army you can provide weapons to. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo. rioting = tilt You take some bad beats, in poker and in life. The measure of the player/person is how they deal with the adversity. You don't just shove all your chips in the middle trying to win it all back in one hand do you? Only if you suck. You get back to basics and grind it out. Make steady progress and rebuild. The problem gets solved politically not beating each other in the streets

Read the other post first.
Also I didnt say WE HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT AWAY. I said thats an option.

And yes this is revolution. Who are you kidding? Millions of people are on the street saying death to the leader. WTF that supposed to mean? The leader of the opposition said he will fight for people's rights and freedom till death. How can you possibly think this is anything but a revolution??

And in case you haven't figured it out so far. There is NO RULE OF LAW in the government system in Iran. So the option of "getting to baisc" is not on the table.

I think you should do a little more research on this matter.

Well its really touching to see how Iranians fight for their freedom
I have mad respect for them.
Hopefully they will succeed.
The whole situation is pretty horrible

but many of those guys out in the streets are real heroes

On June 21 2009 14:44 curtinsea wrote: More people beating each other in the streets than protesters clashing with police. This isn't revolution, it's a riot. Mob rule mentality.

This is NOT a riot. Demonstrators even had silent marches so as the government was not able to misconstrue them via state television as being violent rioters. A friend showed me a photograph of government Basiji destroying property and I would not be surprised if a lot of damage has been done by the government to blame on demonstrators.

There is a lot of pent up hate there after years of suppression and very likely some of the vandalism has been done by young hotheads. I've been arguing with people for years that Iran is not a radical Islamic country and that its young populance is modern and western oriented- at last it's nice that these idiots that for one way or another knew better than me are proved wrong.

Fact is, people assemble peacefully and government suppresses brutally. What can you say about a regime that threw young college girls out of windows during the revolution? One that sends men with razors into crowds to randomly cut someone up? A regime that snipers a girl standing with her father watching demonstrators.

These are fucking sick and not religious at all- just corrupt. And the whole population, religious and non-religious hates them.

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[x] into afghanistan
[x] into iraq
[x] setting up 4 permanent bases in iraq
[x] war on terror searching in caves
[?] going into iran now

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On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: This isn't revolution. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo.

We'll see, a month from now I'll revive this thread with a big fat 'I told you so!!'