Iran Uprising - Page 4

On June 21 2009 20:10 curtinsea wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: This isn't revolution. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo. We'll see, a month from now I'll revive this thread with a big fat 'I told you so!!'

You strike me as someone who is soo dumb that might think this was just another riot as well.

Apples and Oranges


The results will be the same.

On June 21 2009 20:47 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2009 20:10 curtinsea wrote:   On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: This isn't revolution. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo. We'll see, a month from now I'll revive this thread with a big fat 'I told you so!!' You strike me as someone who is soo dumb that might think this was just another riot as well.

did you learn about tiananmen in kindergarten? I was your age when that happened son, you don't know shit. You're on a media driven bandwagon going along with the crowd. Take a look at the situation from a different angle and things look different. Twenty or twenty five people killed in some riots hardly make a revolution.

i guess his post has more credibility because

#1 he stated he is old thus he is wise and always right
#2 he called you son


-Jorge

You are very educated. Smart and so indipendent thinker.
Oh btw I lived through a revolution. My parents were part of the revolutino. Everyone I know was part of a revolution. And I had taken at least 10 courses in the span of 10 years studying revolutions because I had to. Sorry if my knowledge doesnt match yours sitting behind a TV in USA.
Please ignore me and leave this thread.
Sorry that im so ignorant on this subject.
Oh btw I told all my friends and family in Iran to just go home too. Because appareantly this is just a normal riot.

On June 21 2009 21:46 DooMeR wrote: i guess his post has more credibility because #1 he stated he is old thus he is wise and always right #2 he called you son -Jorge

lol

#1 he has experienced a lot of life and thus recognizes predictable patterns
#2 he called you son cause he is old

On June 21 2009 21:48 capaneo wrote: You are very educated. Smart and so indipendent thinker. Oh btw I lived through a revolution. My parents were part of the revolutino. Everyone I know was part of a revolution. And I had taken at least 10 courses in the span of 10 years studying revolutions because I had to. Sorry if my knowledge doesnt match yours sitting behind a TV in USA. Please ignore me and leave this thread. Sorry that im so ignorant on this subject. Oh btw I told all my friends and family in Iran to just go home too. Because appareantly this is just a normal riot.

Thx for the news feed & photo sharing . Pls dn't get mad at random bunch that don't get the story straight - as it's quite difficult to get unbiased info outside Iran...

* Deep respect to all the people taking part in the demonstrations.

# Neda RIP

On June 21 2009 01:00 byrnesam wrote: + Show Spoiler + when did mosh girl join the Iranian riot police?

ROFL



it amazes me that there still people stupid enough to think that they should get in Iran to help the protesters... are you retarded? have you not learn anything about history? dont you fucking realize that the American downfall is in great part of its foreign policy of policing the world.

The UN and USA should stay the fuck out of Iran, i am afraid given the new "ruling" of the congress that they are planting the seed to invade Iran in 1 or 2 years

On June 20 2009 23:05 User447 wrote: I disagree with Obama. If the regime of Ayatollah's turns iran into something like Afghanistan during Taliban(which is their goal and the direction this is going.) There will soon be an Iranian-AlQaida that will come and kill people in the west. How can you expect that these people who are killing their own citizens would not do the same with people in Israel/US/England/.... Specially since this is what they are saying all the time? Just standing by and "watching" and doing nothing will not solve any problems. You have to note this goverment is different almost all the high ranking prople in this goverment are wanted by interlope around the world. I think if they pull out a Tiananmen square the world has to react. Or down in some years they will come after western world just like Taliban and Afghanistan.

Didnt Mig start a precedent of banning people because of their stupid ideas? im tempted...

it was due to prolonged stupid ideas

On June 21 2009 15:37 User447 wrote: I have no idea how you say I "backpedal"?? I even clearly said it there. And yes I think the west should provide weapons for the opposition. Thats why we have CIA and MI6. And its very legal. Like I said before we have to "make sure" the right side wins. kind of like France did during the independence of USA. Its very normal. You were the one who intermediately thought that "support" and "making sure" means dropping nuclear bombs!

dropping nuclear bombs...wtf? where do u come up with these implications man?
ok then User447 if you are not backpedaling then let me put it to you this way.
Yes I am crystal clear on what our position should be and no it is not even anywhere close to what you think or imply I'm saying are solutions. Those implications you make as my solution or way about foreign policy are the exact OPPOSITE of me and my intent. These actions you say do not and will not ever apply unless there is blatantly and obviously no other course of action and you as well as my government have a far far far far far ways to prove to me that there is no other available action here. Sept 11th is over. That event is now far enough in the past that we need to look at where we are today and what we are doing as a country.

My position in foreign policy simply said is we should commerce with all nations and alliance with none. This is the most sound foreign policy and it should be ours for so many reasons. One small and easy example is it puts the fear mongering people such as yourself in place. We should completely gtfo and instead of being an oppressive nation to all those who have a difference in outlook and way of life and won't conform, we should allow them to be what they want to be and learn to stand on their own as a country and people. We should trade with all countries and nothing more.
What it boils down to is you have been sold this line of preemptive fear of the future because very rich people in control of our industry and markets want to keep their control and that requires expansion. I guarantee you the actions our government takes is much more about monetary gain than a fear of actual terrorism. Terrorism is the tool they use to keep people like you going forever as you can never kill a thought. It is ingenious really.

Not just that but you are deluding yourself if you think financially supporting "the side we want to win", or laying down even heavier sanctions than we already have on Iran is not actively participating.
Also do you actually know any of this history of Afghan you mention? Look at what we did in the 80's. If you can't find it or prefer a Hollywood version watch Charlie Murphy's War - it's true enough. Point is we do what you propose and now look at the outcome.

You are also deluding yourself if you actually think Iran poses a threat to taking over this country. Iran will never anytime soon take it us over. That isn't arrogance, it is just an easy fact. Ah but they could attack right? They do pose a threat to infiltrate through our borders and do a "terrorist" attack yes? Well ok, this is all the more reason we should not be spending our money over there and instead we should be here and focused on fixing our immigration problem.

It's total delusion when people like yourself think that by going in or "helping" get the outcome that YOU want in this situation, that the blow back and scenario that will grow from it is smaller than if we pulled out completely and actually changed our foreign policy to trade only and let the people in their country do what they need to do. I will say this again differently. I am saying that if we just traded with all countries and are not actively manipulating or expanding in these countries, instead we focused at home securing our borders and actually worked on a good illegal immigration system (the problem we currently only hear about time to time because it actually helps the need for our government reliance to grow because we can't see any other way) the blowback or retaliation or chances of being attacked go DOWN not up so national security is not an excuse to continue.

You are also deluding yourself if you believe that you can suppress and eradicate peoples thoughts.
You do not see the real beast of a machine that is hindering and creating the problems. You are just a pawn, a much needed pawn. A much needed pawn that wants to make sure the right side wins but also wants to make sure to say we don't actively send troops over there.
Basically we should do everything else we can do without actually doing it. This is what you propose should be our foreign policy.
What a shady person you are sir.
You know at first I thought you might have been Israeli, but now I am leaning that you are just a right winged neo-con American who is so scared he would rather put a dot for his country for shame than stand proud of where he comes from. I call people like you a shadow fighter.

This is all the more reason why our motto seriously ought to be what I said above, because it wipes out you and people like you who have an agenda, a want or a need that is primarily based off fear, religious beliefs and/or money and any other foreign policy gets in the way of the lives of people that maybe just maybe do not want our way of life and should have a right to their own

the rest I'm reading later

Peaceful protests will never achieve anything concrete or significant. Unfortunately the only way to overthrow a dictatorship is by coup d'etat or civil war.

On June 21 2009 20:10 curtinsea wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: This isn't revolution. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo. We'll see, a month from now I'll revive this thread with a big fat 'I told you so!!'

Israel is the only country that Iran is a real threat to, and they don't see revolution occurring in Iran. I saw this today, and since it is in agreement with me it must be credible!

"Mossad head: Iran riots won't escalate to revolution"



No one likes the bloodshed, and we would all prefer a democratic world where everyone shared American values. But this is not a revolution, these are riots over a people's perception of a fraudulent election. Riots of this size get put down by force. In any country they would be. I think a lot of people outside of Iran would like to seize the opportunity of the moment to effect regime change, but c'mon. Ain't gonna happen.

On June 21 2009 03:46 User447 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2009 03:27 genjix wrote: ur incredibly misinformed You are either incredibly ignorant or dishonest.

You are an ignorant retard.

Ben Laden + Iran ?
Are you kidding ?
Do you know that Sunnis and Shias hate each others ?

/facepalm.

i think lots of this thread belongs in the ROFL thread

User447 you sir, are fucking retarded

On June 22 2009 01:12 curtinsea wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2009 20:10 curtinsea wrote:   On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: This isn't revolution. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo. We'll see, a month from now I'll revive this thread with a big fat 'I told you so!!' No one likes the bloodshed, and we would all prefer a democratic world where everyone shared American values.

lol good one ...

On June 22 2009 03:10 CZechRaise wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2009 01:12 curtinsea wrote:   On June 21 2009 20:10 curtinsea wrote:   On June 21 2009 15:44 curtinsea wrote: This isn't revolution. This is a riot, and it will blow over. It's getting way too much coverage imo. We'll see, a month from now I'll revive this thread with a big fat 'I told you so!!' No one likes the bloodshed, and we would all prefer a democratic world where everyone shared American values. lol good one ...

ROFL... standard dumb american

it only turns into a riot when silent protesters are charged head on by government hizbollah on motorbikes wielding chains and indiscriminately attacking civilians- women and men alike. naturally people get pissed.