I like how that idiot who was saying stupid shit about the future of this movment 6month ago is not posting anything now!
Sorry to break it to you but CNN and FOX and whitehouse 'specilist' dont really know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes down to Iran
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curtinsea United States. Dec 21 2009 11:54. Posts 576
revolutionaries reduced to rock throwing
tomorrow, for sure
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ToTehEastSide United States. Dec 21 2009 12:16. Posts 1337
On December 21 2009 09:25 capaneo wrote:
I like how that idiot who was saying stupid shit about the future of this movment 6month ago is not posting anything now!
Sorry to break it to you but CNN and FOX and whitehouse 'specilist' dont really know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes down to Iran
so there has been a political change of power within Irans government?
yay! show me plz I wanna celebrate with ya
and hate to break it to you but the MSM here in America knows full good and well what they are talking about
They just don't really give a shit about the revolution/riot/social evolution or whatever u want to classify it as as much as they care about constantly pushing a neo-con interventionist agenda into the minds of the majority of TV sucking Americans so you can get your wish
On November 04 2009 20:23 capaneo wrote:
Also this is exactly why I said I dont like Ron Paul's stand on this issue.
The founding fathers' 18th century politic advise doesnt apply to today's world. Technology have changed the world.
I'm not big on going in circles with nothing new but I'll give a few quick counters
On June 23 2009 15:50 Baal wrote:
Some dumb people think that intervention to coup the tyrants is the way to go and that is stupid because when a country is under attack or foreign manipulation, the country trends to become nationalistic supporting the current leader to defend them from the foreign invading force.
Example of this is Cuba, the only thing that has made Fidel stay in the power for 50 years is USA, their constant intervention and embargos have pushed a great part of the population to like fidel, he is the figure fighting the big american monster, if the USA kept his nose out of Cuba they would have kicked Fidels ass out of the office long time ago, so intervention would be the worst possible thing to do here.
The only thing to do is to wait patiently as social evolution takes it slow but steady course.
Last week the House overwhelmingly approved a measure to put a new round of sanctions on Iran. If this measure passes the Senate, the United States could no longer do business with anyone who sold refined petroleum products to Iran or helped them develop their ability to refine their own petroleum. The sad thing is that many of my colleagues voted for this measure because they felt it would deflect a military engagement with Iran. I would put the question to them, how would Congress react if another government threatened our critical trading partners in this way? Would we not view it as asking for war?
This policy is pure isolationism. It is designed to foment war by cutting off trade and diplomacy. Too many forget that the quagmire in Iraq began with an embargo. Sanctions are not diplomacy. They are a precursor to war and an embarrassment to a country that pays lip service to free trade. It is ironic that people who decry isolationism support actions like this.
If a foreign government attempted to isolate the US economically, cut off our supply of gasoline, or starve us to death, would it cause Americans to admire that foreign entity? Or would we instead unite under the flag for the survival of our country?
We would not tolerate foreign covert operations fomenting regime change in our government. Yet our CIA has been meddling in Iran for decades. Of course Iranians resent this. In fact, many in Iran still resent the CIA’s involvement in overthrowing their democratically elected leader in 1953. The answer is not to cut off gasoline to the Iranian people. The answer is to stay out of their affairs and trade with them honestly. If our operatives were no longer in Iran, they would no longer be available as scapegoats for the regime to, rightly or wrongly, blame for every bad thing that happens. As bad as other regimes may be, it is up to their own people to deal with them so they can achieve true self-determination. When foreigners instigate regime change, the new government they institute is always perceived as serving the interest of the overthrowing country, not the people. Thus we take the blame for bad governance twice. Instead we should stay out of their affairs altogether.
With the exception of the military industrial complex, we all want a more peaceful world. Many are hysterical about the imminent threat of a nuclear Iran. Here are the facts: Iran has never been found out of compliance with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) they signed. However, being surrounded by nuclear powers one can understand why they might want to become nuclear capable if only to defend themselves and to be treated more respectfully. After all, we don’t sanction nuclear capable countries. We take diplomatic negotiations a lot more seriously, and we frequently send money to them instead. The non-nuclear countries are the ones we bomb. If Iran was attempting to violate the non-proliferation treaty, they could hardly be blamed, since US foreign policy gives them every incentive to do so.
and his speech last week on the House floor opposing the bill on the sanctions on Iran
posting it here cuz of the timing and since you brought up Ron Paul and foreign policy
talk about voice of reason..
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traxamillion United States. Dec 21 2009 22:29. Posts 10468
On December 21 2009 09:25 capaneo wrote:
I like how that idiot who was saying stupid shit about the future of this movment 6month ago is not posting anything now!
Sorry to break it to you but CNN and FOX and whitehouse 'specilist' dont really know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes down to Iran
Its not that they don't know what they are talking about...
they say what they are told to say
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traxamillion United States. Dec 21 2009 22:31. Posts 10468
ben bernanke bout to be back in the buildin
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traxamillion United States. Dec 21 2009 22:33. Posts 10468
"On 25th Aug 2009, President Obama announced that he would nominate Ben Bernanke to a second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve. In a short statement in Martha's Vineyard, with Bernanke standing at his side, Obama said Bernanke's background, temperament, courage and creativity helped to prevent another Great Depression in 2008. "Ben approached a financial system on the verge of collapse with calm and wisdom, with bold action and out-of-the-box thinking that has helped put the brakes on our economic free fall", the President said. "
On December 21 2009 09:25 capaneo wrote:
I like how that idiot who was saying stupid shit about the future of this movment 6month ago is not posting anything now!
Sorry to break it to you but CNN and FOX and whitehouse 'specilist' dont really know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes down to Iran
so there has been a political change of power within Irans government?
yay! show me plz I wanna celebrate with ya
and hate to break it to you but the MSM here in America knows full good and well what they are talking about
They just don't really give a shit about the revolution/riot/social evolution or whatever u want to classify it as as much as they care about constantly pushing a neo-con interventionist agenda into the minds of the majority of TV sucking Americans so you can get your wish
On November 04 2009 20:23 capaneo wrote:
Also this is exactly why I said I dont like Ron Paul's stand on this issue.
The founding fathers' 18th century politic advise doesnt apply to today's world. Technology have changed the world.
I'm not big on going in circles with nothing new but I'll give a few quick counters
On June 23 2009 15:50 Baal wrote:
Some dumb people think that intervention to coup the tyrants is the way to go and that is stupid because when a country is under attack or foreign manipulation, the country trends to become nationalistic supporting the current leader to defend them from the foreign invading force.
Example of this is Cuba, the only thing that has made Fidel stay in the power for 50 years is USA, their constant intervention and embargos have pushed a great part of the population to like fidel, he is the figure fighting the big american monster, if the USA kept his nose out of Cuba they would have kicked Fidels ass out of the office long time ago, so intervention would be the worst possible thing to do here.
The only thing to do is to wait patiently as social evolution takes it slow but steady course.
1: This is not a simple "Riot." This is early stages of a regime change. This is orgenized and lead by really powerfull and influential people who are already done this and are REALLY good at doing stuff like this.
2: No they dont. The Media in US doesnt know shit about Somalia. Doesnt know shit about Iran and the proof is that if u talk to anyone from that region they tell you this. You can argue "they know everything but they never say it." Well that is like saying Jesus knews everything high level science but he NEVER brought it up. But he knew it all. Its just bullshit.
In the highest level of US goverment there is proof they dont know shit. Iran's 79 Revolution. Iraq. 911 are all evidence of US foreign policy having no fucking idea how the mentality of people in that region work.
3: Baal is just dead wrong. Iran is not Cuba and Iranians are not Cubans. 2009 is not 1960s. Khamenei and Ahmadinejaad are not Castro. Baal argument IS right. For 50 years ago and for that region. But it doesnt work for this situation, now.
I dont want to go into details but just to give you an idea how different things are:
Iranians HATE arabs. They have been in war for thousands of years. The current goverment is anti nationalist. Anti Iranian and pro arab country.
Irans current situation is more like Europe under Nazi occupation. And as you would agree America INVADING those countries during that period actually helped greatly with the relation of US and those countries.
Ron Paul is wrong. Any sanctions that would help the goverment to go bankrupt is a good thing for this regime. And Iranians are watching very closley. After the first few month when Ahmadinejad went to Russia and he shook hands with Russian president people of Iran were on the streets shouting "Death to Russia" and burning Russian flags! But you didnt probably know that, did u?
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ToTehEastSide United States. Dec 21 2009 22:56. Posts 1337
1) I'm not arguing in the classification/labeling of what to call the going ons in Iran. You can call it whatever you like.
2) Somalia wtf?
2.5) My point was not that the MSM knows everything. You completely missed my point
3) Your head is in the clouds if you think we are on some total new level of things today compared to 10, 20, 50 years ago. Especially in Iran. But wait, you are for a one world government right? You think that will solve everything yes. Nevermind then
3.5) I do not agree with bettering relations with a country being a sound reason to go to war and defeat them
3.75) You are the one that is wrong if you think the ppl running the show (aka government) are going to be the ones hurt the most by sanctions, not Ron Paul
4) You are finally correct, I had no idea Ahmadinejad recently shook hands with President Medvedev. imo he probably should have shook hands with Putin, he probably would have gotten more out of it. Hopefully for his sake he did.
On December 21 2009 21:56 ToTehEastSide wrote:
1) I'm not arguing in the classification/labeling of what to call the going ons in Iran. You can call it whatever you like.
2) Somalia wtf?
2.5) My point was not that the MSM knows everything. You completely missed my point
3) Your head is in the clouds if you think we are on some total new level of things today compared to 10, 20, 50 years ago. Especially in Iran. But wait, you are for a one world government right? You think that will solve everything yes. Nevermind then
3.5) I do not agree with bettering relations with a country being a sound reason to go to war and defeat them
3.75) You are the one that is wrong if you think the ppl running the show (aka government) are going to be the ones hurt the most by sanctions, not Ron Paul
4) You are finally correct, I had no idea Ahmadinejad recently shook hands with President Medvedev. imo he probably should have shook hands with Putin, he probably would have gotten more out of it. Hopefully for his sake he did.
I know you are just joking now. But seriously. I know much more than you on this topic obv and you are well aware of that. You are bright guy and thats why Im posting this for you to read.
Iranian people now think of this government of an illegal regime that is occupying their land. This government has shown in MANY occasions they are anti-Iranian and pro-Arab(which has been the enemy of Persians for thousands of years).
Imagine US elects a new President. He shreds the constitution. He changes the flag to something that resembles Mexican flag. Then the government starts HEAVILY teaching Spanish in school. The government stops celebrating 4th of July and thanksgiving and other national days. American heros such as Dr.King and Lincoln are basically eliminated from public books. They declare Catholicism as the only religion allowed in the country and they start murdering non-catholics people. Then the president starts giving speeches in Spanish and heavily encourage quoting phrases in Spanish.
All the stuff I mentioned above I actually took from the ACTUAL events that happened in Iran in the past 25-30 years.
Now in this situation you see countries who have some power to help you like England and China and others are cutting deals with the new government and call it "engaging in relations."
You get the picture this is what is happening here. This is not Cuba. This is not North Korea. This is more like occupied France in 1940s.
People in Iran are saying that they will not forgive nor forget countries who are doing trade with the regime. These are the words from people on the streets of Tehran. Ron Paul is wrong my friend. He is a great guy but he is making a mistake here.
PS: Who said I'm for One World government?
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ToTehEastSide United States. Dec 22 2009 00:55. Posts 1337
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
Iranian people now think of this government of an illegal regime that is occupying their land. This government has shown in MANY occasions they are anti-Iranian and pro-Arab(which has been the enemy of Persians for thousands of years).
You just reiterated Baal's point of why America shouldn't intervene and defeated just about all of the rest of your post.
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
Imagine US elects a new President.
we just did
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
He shreds the constitution.
done. just ask anyone here The Constitution is outdated and for crazies only, we have evolved.
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
He changes the flag to something that resembles Mexican flag.
you do this last
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
Then the government starts HEAVILY teaching Spanish in school.
would be a quicker and more effective process to implement Spanish next to English into everyday businesses and literature and make that as the norm. The schools will catch up.
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
The government stops celebrating 4th of July and thanksgiving and other national days.
Smarter to just add new ones
you know, like U.N. day and such
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
American heros such as Dr.King and Lincoln are basically eliminated from public books.
I agree but nono never these two examples. "Equality" and The Union are vitally important to going in the "right" direction. Better picks would be John Locke, Andrew Jackson, Paul Revere, Jefferson, Lennon, Franklin etc
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
They declare Catholicism as the only religion allowed in the country and they start murdering non-catholics people
I'll go parallel with this by declaring all anti-nationalist terrorist?
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
Then the president starts giving speeches in Spanish and heavily encourage quoting phrases in Spanish.
This is a good idea, I wonder why the ones behind the teleprompter haven't yet thought of this
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
All the stuff I mentioned above I actually took from the ACTUAL events that happened in Iran in the past 25-30 years.
Now in this situation you see countries who have some power to help you like England and China and others are cutting deals with the new government and call it "engaging in relations."
In which we should go back to your first paragraph in this post I am quoting.
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
You get the picture this is what is happening here. This is not Cuba. This is not North Korea. This is more like occupied France in 1940s.
exactly my friend
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
People in Iran are saying that they will not forgive nor forget countries who are doing trade with the regime. These are the words from people on the streets of Tehran. Ron Paul is wrong my friend. He is a great guy but he is making a mistake here.
how to say this quickly...
Trading is hardly more of a crime of involvement and would be forgiven by the public in comparison to as you say the US or CIA backing a regime to insure we prop one up one we want ourselves. Believe me history and practice has proven this and if we allow the people to create/establish their own government, once established the public is definitely going to want to commerce with other nations. Speaking of Ron Paul in this, here is a more in depth speech given less than a week ago by him that talks about this very subject you mention.
On December 21 2009 22:39 capaneo wrote:
PS: Who said I'm for One World government?
On October 25 2009 12:19 capaneo wrote:
I have yet to see ONE logical explanation why "world government" is a bad thing.
We have lots of problems in the world that needs world government. Population and pollution is just few examples.
A border less world with a central governance power will be the best thing that can happen. Such government by default will have much less power and control compare to today's country wide governments.
I have no idea why you guys are so paranoid?
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chris United States. Dec 22 2009 03:32. Posts 5511
some days i wake up and wish i could just drink the kool aid
On December 22 2009 10:12 capaneo wrote:
I didn't say Im for one world government. I said its a good thing if happens because such government will be less powerful.
What I do support is removing all the borders and getting rid of countries. Like a free trade-travel world. Thats what I support.
But I have not see any evidence that world government will be a brutal idea. Other than 1984 obv.
a world government would somehow be less poweful? lol does not compute.
on the borderless world i agree, that is one of the most important things in Anarchy, a borderless society, and believe me, anarchy is quite awesome and the ideal system, sadly the word is associated with negative things like rioting or violence.
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woodbrave1 United States. Dec 23 2009 14:53. Posts 666
On December 22 2009 10:12 capaneo wrote:
I didn't say Im for one world government. I said its a good thing if happens because such government will be less powerful.
What I do support is removing all the borders and getting rid of countries. Like a free trade-travel world. Thats what I support.
But I have not see any evidence that world government will be a brutal idea. Other than 1984 obv.
a world government would somehow be less poweful? lol does not compute.
on the borderless world i agree, that is one of the most important things in Anarchy, a borderless society, and believe me, anarchy is quite awesome and the ideal system, sadly the word is associated with negative things like rioting or violence.
anarchy gets a terrible name because it occurs when the prior government completely breaks apart and people associate the pain of the restructuring of society with anarchy.
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