SakiSaki   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 14:01. Posts 9687
Ok, this is mainly for our sweet swedish members, but I was browsing around on the website of one of swedens biggest newspapers and I come across William Thorsons blog. For those of you who dont know him hes a swedish donkament player and a pokerstars pro. I always though he was pretty solid for no real reason but GOD. He has commented on the hand from high stakes poker where durrr does some epic soulowning and makes eastgate and barry fold the best hands.
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read. This is all in swedish but ill try to translate some of the gems from this "analysis"
"In general people play tighter live than online. Durr might play K2s in this spot online but he would never do it live"
"On the flop durrr isnt thinking at all and just tries to make everyone fold, once eastgate and barry calls he realizes that they have strong hands, but he doesnt realize how strong they are"
"the turn comes and durrr throws out a desperate bet of 105k and just hopes that they will both fold"
"I dont think there is more though behind the bet than that barry and eastgate are the weakest players on the table and he hopes they will fold something decent"
"Once he bet he realizes that it was terribe bet and that eastgate has a 2"
"durrr would never bet 105k on the turn with A2 or TT, he would bet smaller because he isnt scared of anything"
I could go on forever but I dont really feel like spreading this insult to durr more than I already have. Its fucking laughable that this guy even dares to comment a hand played by a player that is way way way way way better than this donkament fish will ever be. I really feel the urge to argue with this guy but its probably no use seeing as he is still on the 1st level.
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what wackass site is this nigga?
Last edit: 23/03/2009 14:06
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TimDawg   United States. Mar 23 2009 14:04. Posts 10197
ugh very tilting indeed
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EvilSky   Czech Republic. Mar 23 2009 14:07. Posts 8918
this guy will probably in the future write some entry like omg online poker is rigged or some other variable when the heater inevitably stops.
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barbieman   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 14:11. Posts 2132
His swedish is really bad, it's so poorly written, couldn't read it.
I dont like Thorson anyway since he called Minieri an idiot on EPT San Remo FT last year for almost no reason.
This blog is funny, I asked my father ( who studied in Swedish ) to translate some of it and its god damn hilarious.
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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Mar 23 2009 14:28. Posts 5124
I heard William Thorson won 20 mill $ online... o_O
:D
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Shad   United Kingdom. Mar 23 2009 14:42. Posts 866
The comments you translated are hilarious, maybe he's levelling to get action.
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Balzamon   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 14:44. Posts 2868
everytime im bored and want to laugh some i go to aftonbladers pokersection and read articles/bloggs, especially Lina delivers!
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ConquistadoR   Germany. Mar 23 2009 14:47. Posts 1952
hahahahaha, love it.
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SpasticInk   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 14:49. Posts 6298
second that balzamon, linda is really amusing to read.
that bloggpost by thorsson is written really bad so i have to agree with barbieman too, how could you even get through that shit
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MayZerG   United Kingdom. Mar 23 2009 14:51. Posts 2123
If he thinks Tom Dwan plays bad, maybe he should accept the 50k challenge, rather than shit talk and not back it up.
fucking pussy.
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greenbastard   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 15:06. Posts 178
On March 23 2009 13:51 MayZerG wrote:
If he thinks Tom Dwan plays bad, maybe he should accept the 50k challenge, rather than shit talk and not back it up.
fucking pussy.
lol. true true
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SpasticInk   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 15:13. Posts 6298
well he also says dwan is second best nl holdem player online so it's not just bashing. he is bashing peter eastgate a lot more.
bla bla... i think you should argue with him, please do.
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Oskar_123   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 15:23. Posts 401
lol, this part is especially great
"Många spelare hade inte end foldat 2-4 där i Omaha, och där har man 4 kort."
translation: many players wouldnt even fold 2-4 in omaha in that spot, and there you have 4 cards.
its so unreal how he pretty much describes durrr as an idiot at the same time as he says he's one of the best players in the world. also pretty much saying that greenstein is a nit and that him and eastgate are playing scared money...
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lebowski   Greece. Mar 23 2009 16:40. Posts 9205
so he thinks Durr bet 100k and then went " o shit wtf am I doing?" ?
el oh el
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
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remember87   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 16:50. Posts 521
I couldnt agree with you more! what a fish he is!
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Zorglub   Denmark. Mar 23 2009 17:24. Posts 2870
Thank god there are still people like him
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 23 2009 17:29. Posts 9634
it was pretty obv durrrr had no clue in that hand and was just pushing his money up n down teh table ..... lol how did this guy win so much
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lucifer   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 18:01. Posts 5955
he was favorite for a wsop win (mainly because the rest were unkowns for me) he finished 16 or something. silly JJ vs KK call or whatever.
anyways fun read nice find
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chris   United States. Mar 23 2009 18:18. Posts 5505
idk but dwans QT bluff looked really well thought out to me. i dont see how thorson thinks its just some random desperate bet when he took his time and obviously had the right reads, even sidebetting (and winning) about the hands with doyle. lol
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tapatapaz   Brasil. Mar 23 2009 18:57. Posts 1279
i actually agree with some things he said that u guys translated, is it just me? just my dumbass side possibly
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ZeeRaX   Bulgaria. Mar 23 2009 19:17. Posts 39
lollol I would be shocked if this guy beats 200NL online.
longple   Sweden. Mar 23 2009 19:54. Posts 4472
rofl
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tapatapaz   Brasil. Mar 23 2009 20:02. Posts 1279
"durrr would never bet 105k on the turn with A2 or TT, he would bet smaller because he isnt scared of anything"
this is true most of the time, betting that big he polarizes his range so much
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Raidern   Brasil. Mar 23 2009 20:13. Posts 4243
wheres the hand?
[edit] dumb, on highstakes poker
im a regular at nl5
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Night[Mare]   Mexico. Mar 23 2009 20:56. Posts 599
On March 23 2009 13:04 TimDawg wrote:
ugh very tilting indeed
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bane   United States. Mar 23 2009 22:31. Posts 2379
A+ mspaint skills ahahaha
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Mar 24 2009 03:40. Posts 7292
Everyone from sweden fucking sucks at poker
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Mar 24 2009 03:40. Posts 7292
Sorry RaSZi
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angryfishes   Australia. Mar 24 2009 04:14. Posts 410
i think durrrs hand was kinda a gamble. because even if he put barry on an overpair and knew he would fold, he also knew peter was very very strong to have cold called that flop raise and might not have folded.
ironically durrs image which should have paid him off came back to bite him in the ass on the recent hand in HSP S5E4. that hand was soo sick, durrs aa vs barrys j9. durrr handled the epic 500k beat like a class A gentleman. i can imagine what would have happen if it was phil helmuth rofl. and barry trying to justify his bad call at the end is just lol
mad respect for durrr now.
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angryfishes   Australia. Mar 24 2009 05:11. Posts 410
durrr lets barry run it three times if he wishes
barry doesnt then dawn actually yawns when the river comes and makes a joke lol
amazing kid
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terrybunny19240   United States. Mar 24 2009 05:28. Posts 13829
hahha, wow
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thewh00sel   United States. Mar 24 2009 22:00. Posts 2734
On March 24 2009 04:11 angryfishes wrote:
durrr lets barry run it three times if he wishes
barry doesnt then dawn actually yawns when the river comes and makes a joke lol
amazing kid
What do you mean lets him run it 3 times? doesnt give barry any more chance to win lol
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NewbSaibot   United States. Mar 24 2009 23:58. Posts 4946
I havent read any of the responses, so I can just say that I agree with saki, that the article is written by an idiot. I know this because I agree with his assessment of Durr's play, and I'm a shitty NL10 player so wtf do I know. So by power of elimination one can conclude that he is an idiot, and thus Durr's play was brilliant.
bye now
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MiPwnYa   Brasil. Mar 25 2009 10:25. Posts 5230
barry's joke was a prob pet to raise funds for charities afaik
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JoeDeertay   United States. Mar 25 2009 15:25. Posts 1730
On March 24 2009 04:11 angryfishes wrote:
durrr lets barry run it three times if he wishes
barry doesnt then dawn actually yawns when the river comes and makes a joke lol
amazing kid
What do you mean lets him run it 3 times? doesnt give barry any more chance to win lol
But it gives him a chance to lose less when he is pretty far behind if he happens to hit >0 of the 3 boards.
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JoeDeertay   United States. Mar 25 2009 15:51. Posts 1730
On March 24 2009 03:14 angryfishes wrote:
i think durrrs hand was kinda a gamble. because even if he put barry on an overpair and knew he would fold, he also knew peter was very very strong to have cold called that flop raise and might not have
I don't think it was a gamble at all...I think he knew EXACTLY where EVERYONE was in the hand by the turn, and he took advantage of it (after Barry folded he even pointed out the order of best to worst hands XD). Eastgate had been playing pretty tight up to that point and playing very cautiously with good hands when the pot started getting really big. See the A6 hand against Tom, and maybe a few other hands that I can't really remember atm. Basically (imo) he had built kind of a scared money image because he was probably playing too deep, and having success in tournaments rather than cash means that maybe he's not as comfortable playing with a very deep stack like he had here.
Tom had played with Barry quite a bit before that hand and I obv assume thinks that Barry can think on a high level and evaluate the situation well. On the show he had been playing pretty tight up to that point because he had Durrrr, Benyamine, and Eli right behind him, and he even said in his blog that he hated his position at the table because of that and also having the 2 tightest players in Eastgate and Doyle to his right. Most likely he didn't feel like getting into too much trouble in big pots OOP with marginal hands the whole time. Durrr probably recognized this as well.
So when Barry opened UTG and got a family pot behind him, Durrrr probably knew that he was pretty strong and didn't like all the action he was getting going to the flop. He probably wasn't too worried about most of the other players as played, either. They could probably have anything behind all the action in front.
On the flop Barry cbets iirc, and Durrrr raises. He knows this should get the pot HU most of the time unless someone hit the flop big (obv TT or 2x), and with him having one of the Ts this makes that much less likely (although that was probably just a small factor in the bet, anyway, given everyone's already wide range). He also thought that since he was also in an early position relative to everyone in the hand on a family flop and he was raising a polarized cbet anyway, that he might have a decent amount of FE against Barry even if it gets HU. If not, then he has plenty of ammo for later streets having Barry stuck OOP.
When Eastgate cold calls OOP, this probably sends some alarm bells off in Tom's head, tipping him off that he has some kind of a 2x. When Barry calls he shouldn't be so worried, because he probably knows that he can use Eastgate's flat to get Barry out of the hand on the turn. His only problem is whether Eastgate will fold. As I said before, Eastgate had the image of being somewhat scared money being so deep in spots like this, and Tom probably knew that after seeing him show down the A6 hand agaisnt him, so he was probably going to use that to his advantage here as well. By firing such a big bet on the turn, he puts Eastgate in a spot where he can expect another huge bet on the river. With only a 4 kicker facing such heat against durrrr from a bad position relative to everyone on the flop, he probably thought that Tom had it more often than not and just let it go because he was scared of having to put a shitload of money in when he probably just ends up showing down a second best hand. Then after Eastgate folds Barry thinks for a while, and probably ends up folding for the same reason.
lol wow. Sorry for writing such a long post, but while I was watching the hand play out on TV that's what I thought about it, and when Tom immediately pointed to Eastgate and said that "he probably had the best hand," that's when I knew that he put them on the hands they had for sure. I only play NL200 so I probably shouldn't be analyzing these hands or whatever, but I guess I can at least have an opinion =P
Durrrr really is sicker than sick, imo.
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Oskar_123   Sweden. Mar 25 2009 18:11. Posts 401
@JoeDeertay: Eastgate is cashgame player that won a tournament, not a tournament player playing cashgames on tv and durrrr hasnt played a lot with Barry.
there's a thread here: http://pokerroad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5203&page=3
it some more intelligent discussion, both eastgate and dwan posted, durrr mostly commented on the other players play tho. I think jimmy fricke's point of how durrr puts his opponents in reverse implied odds spots is really good.
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chris   United States. Mar 28 2009 17:52. Posts 5505
i mean does anyone remember when eastgate had A6 vs dwans 67 and they both had trips? dwan knew eastgate was playing pretty nitty and he could probably get him to fold trips if he put in a scary bet.
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YoMeR   United States. Mar 28 2009 21:06. Posts 12438
standard inferior player berating someone better.
just look at all the 1/2 cent grinders giving 10/20 players advice on hands even on our very own LP.