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rockman255   Canada. Nov 21 2008 02:54. Posts 4471

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neilly im sorry but your last post is just a big joke dude, a guy ive played like 400 hands with who runs 10/7, even in the oh so terrible nl50, is not cold calling QK or JK offsuit unless he misclicked, highly likely not even suited, but seeing as QK/JK suited are impossible given the flop..

so the flop reraiser is 10/7 solid, the caller inbetween on flop is like 80vpip, the big fish on the table.

i think i have to start playing stronger in general, but this particular spot, because we're not hu, i think folding becomes a lot more of a valid option. yes if we are hu i can't let myself be walked over, as i apparently am 24/7. because i indeed am a shitty poker player with very little potential. and im not being sarcastic. im like depressed as shit.

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edzwoo   United States. Nov 21 2008 03:02. Posts 5911

It's fine.

I really think hands like this look very "standard", and when people tell you to always shove here, it's probably not even that bad.

But if you REALLY want to have better than some robotic 2ptbb winrate just by playing really tight/set mining, then I think thinking through these kind of hands that look very "standard" are important.

People are too stuck on first level thinking, which works perfect for the most part in micros. But when you get into a situation with regs that probably have specific hands based on their actions, then you do have to take that into account.

 Last edit: 21/11/2008 03:07

lostaccount   Canada. Nov 21 2008 03:03. Posts 6519

Either shoving and folding is fine, i did the math.

infinite possibilities quantum soul leap 

traxamillion   United States. Nov 21 2008 03:04. Posts 10468

10/7 is not solid that is a fucking sethunting nit and don't get down emotionally over poker or you aren't going to play well.

checking your emotion at the door when you sit at the tables is important.

you should also take into consideration that if the reg knows matia is an 80%vpip fish he should be calling lighter pre and when he raises the flop he knows he folds out most of your range but the fish will stick around with shit like 1 diamond and thus raise flop lighter too.

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traxamillion   United States. Nov 21 2008 03:07. Posts 10468


  On November 21 2008 02:03 lostaccount wrote:
Either shoving and folding is fine, i did the math.



then shove is better


terrybunny19240   United States. Nov 21 2008 03:09. Posts 13829

Stop playing for the night IMO you seem out of it man.

This hand is pretty much OK though. GJ. (I lean towards shoving personally but I play lower stakes, maybe for a reason who knows)

 Last edit: 21/11/2008 03:12

lostaccount   Canada. Nov 21 2008 03:12. Posts 6519


  On November 21 2008 02:07 traxamillion wrote:
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then shove is better


not really when its 0ev, i rather fold because it reduce the variance since i play worst if im stuck.

infinite possibilities quantum soul leap 

lostaccount   Canada. Nov 21 2008 03:14. Posts 6519

but in this spot i shove most of the time, almost always. Ccer might even stick his stack in. I think shoving is little more +ev not much but just a little more +ev.

infinite possibilities quantum soul leapLast edit: 21/11/2008 03:15

NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 03:37. Posts 8947

"neilly im sorry but your last post is just a big joke dude"

"because i indeed am a shitty poker player with very little potential. and im not being sarcastic. im like depressed as shit."


we're trying to give you constructive help, if you were content that you made the 100% perfect fold then why even post it?

we're giving you constructive criticism on how we play the situation, obv u know what i would do, others think fold is fine too, which i think is an ok play. i play monster poker though, and don't fold these situations.

my post isn't a joke, its a standard push, especially in a 3way pot where your ev is increased and the pot is inflated, giving you more to win with less risk

u can fold, and its fine, but if you do so, don't post it and back it up that its a 100% perfect fold when in all reality its very questionable.

we're here to help, you can always fold this situation, but now you have multiple peoples perspectives on how the hand would be played by others.

also, i am a 6max player and have avoided fr for the last year or so, i do remember it being a 100% nitfest, setminers and ppl drawing for flushes etc, but i also know its nl50 and ppl stack off really light on low stakes like this

this situation can also be deeper, if he knows you, he knows that you will most likely be giving this up on the flop most of the time due to your very tight image, and may be making a play with a wider range of hands, trying to get hu vs the 80vpip player

idk, i shove it, but folding isn't terrible

the main reason i shove is because its 1 buy-in in a 3 way pot with the nut redraw if you are behind, and you get information on your villian and won't have any problems playing vs him in the future, for the cost of showing down one hand that you will most likely win

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ 

NeillyJQ   United States. Nov 21 2008 03:40. Posts 8947

hope we helped, im off to sleep, gl

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ 

Critterer   United Kingdom. Nov 21 2008 08:57. Posts 5337

think you prolly give the 10/7 nit too much credit trax, he probably hasnt adjusted anything at all.

fold is okay i guess, low variance route imo

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SpasticInk   Sweden. Nov 21 2008 09:06. Posts 6298

I shove this without too much thinking. You have the nutflushdraw, top pair, lot's of suckout value if you are behind!

it's a lot of money in the pot as well 24!


Kilay   Netherlands. Nov 21 2008 10:07. Posts 1960

Shove, shove because I hate folding overpairs with the nut redraw, then again, I guess I play 6-max and suck at FR for a reason.


HeRoS)eNGagE   Canada. Nov 21 2008 10:08. Posts 10896

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its not liquidpoker its liquidnit


jantje123   Netherlands. Nov 21 2008 11:40. Posts 3787

normally i would say easy shove but villian is a sick nit and is not raising here with anything less than a set.

However hero's hand looks so pretty and i will shove hoping for a diamond....


Fox   . Nov 21 2008 12:05. Posts 3110

You have the A diamond so it makes it less likely he's shoving with pair/A. You're behind almost always in this situation and the only time yo'ure not is when the raiser is trying to isolate the really bad player with something like top pair weak kicker. Like if you said the caller is like 80 vpip i could see a raise with something like QK just to get you out of the hand and the fish to call with this K8o.

But I doubt the villian is thinking like that so this is usually a fold. or.. i mean you could GAMB00LLL!!!!


SakiSaki    Sweden. Nov 21 2008 12:06. Posts 9687

thanks for putting me on sick tilt. Atleast call the raise man wtf

what wackass site is this nigga?  

SakiSaki    Sweden. Nov 21 2008 12:07. Posts 9687

Oh its nl50, dude just ship it in

what wackass site is this nigga?  

Floofy   Canada. Nov 21 2008 12:19. Posts 8708

wtf. i read that hand and i expected everyone to say "SHOVEEEEEE WTFFF"
seems like a very easy shove

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

geometryb   United States. Nov 21 2008 13:04. Posts 413

i don't think i've ever folded here. but maybe fullring is different.


YoMeR   United States. Nov 21 2008 18:04. Posts 12438

vs passives at Nl50 this is close imo. a lot of you are underestimating the nittiness and passiveness of NL50 regulars or what not. and Since you have A of diamonds semi bluffs are like non exsistant in his range. So it's more likely made hands.

that said i'd prolly call and fold to further big action on the turn.

eZ Life. 

Faruk1   Canada. Nov 21 2008 23:47. Posts 71

even if vilain has a set you have 11 outs. I would shove. if your properly rolled you wouldnt be such a nit for 1 buyin . Dont be so depressed about poker. if it affects you that much, dont play its not worth it. gl.


Brobebrato   Bulgaria. Nov 22 2008 00:04. Posts 276


  On November 21 2008 11:06 SakiSaki wrote:
thanks for putting me on sick tilt. Atleast call the raise man wtf

Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat  

phexac   United States. Nov 22 2008 00:27. Posts 2563

You have 34% equity versus KK/99/33 that flopped a set, so shoving can never be bad, given that there is a good amount of money in the pot. Also, I would expect a bigger raise with a set. I lean towards a shove.

If you are REALLY REALLY scared, at least call the raise seeing as you have outs coming out of your ears and have the necessary odds.

Don't fold though please...

Nitting it up since 2006 

caie   United States. Nov 22 2008 01:43. Posts 13

i autoshove here all day every day
well, except maybe... once


Sicks Macks   United States. Nov 22 2008 10:12. Posts 3929


  On November 21 2008 17:04 YoMeR wrote:
vs passives at Nl50 this is close imo. a lot of you are underestimating the nittiness and passiveness of NL50 regulars or what not. and Since you have A of diamonds semi bluffs are like non exsistant in his range. So it's more likely made hands.

that said i'd prolly call and fold to further big action on the turn.

Mr. Will Throwit 

gymnast   Mexico. Nov 22 2008 13:08. Posts 704


  On November 21 2008 02:12 lostaccount wrote:
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not really when its 0ev, i rather fold because it reduce the variance since i play worst if im stuck.




shove to get fpps and buy a range rover

Club NL10 ballers 

terrybunny19240   United States. Nov 22 2008 13:44. Posts 13829


  On November 21 2008 17:04 YoMeR wrote:
vs passives at Nl50 this is close imo. a lot of you are underestimating the nittiness and passiveness of NL50 regulars or what not. and Since you have A of diamonds semi bluffs are like non exsistant in his range. So it's more likely made hands.

that said i'd prolly call and fold to further big action on the turn.



this seems like spew to me

I mean, you're never going to want to fold if you miss on the turn anyway. over 1/2 your stack will be sitting in the middle..?

 Last edit: 22/11/2008 13:45

CheckMyName   . Nov 22 2008 14:06. Posts 231

SHOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE WTFFF

1v1 BW GAMES 5$/10$ betgames msg 

JizzleSmitts   United States. Nov 22 2008 14:35. Posts 1217

i really dont see how you can fold this....and believe me i am nitlife at times.


VENOM   United States. Nov 22 2008 15:46. Posts 1383


  On November 21 2008 12:04 geometryb wrote:
i don't think i've ever folded here. but maybe fullring is different.



Its VERY different.

daylight keeps the shadows falling behind - Kenna / YadadaMeEn21 

Fayth    Canada. Nov 22 2008 16:34. Posts 10085

stop fucking playing fullring

and yeah I feel like you're probably beat here, folding isn't therrible

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

hubmaster   United States. Nov 22 2008 16:49. Posts 586

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

15,840 games 0.005 secs 3,168,000 games/sec

Board: Kd 9d 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.636% 56.65% 01.99% 8973 315.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 41.364% 39.38% 01.99% 6237 315.00 { QQ+, 99, 33 }


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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 22 2008 17:10. Posts 9634

i dont see how do u ever ever ever fold here


marllboro   Greece. Nov 22 2008 17:16. Posts 494

if i have 5k on the table and it will be my all bankroll i will still shove this hand..doesnt metter if it is fullring or 6 game.

HEY IM A SCAMMER LULZ. 

CheckMyName   . Nov 23 2008 04:28. Posts 231


  On November 22 2008 16:16 marllboro wrote:
if i have 5k on the table and it will be my all bankroll i will still shove this hand..doesnt metter if it is fullring or 6 game.


why would you play with your whole roll at 1 table?

1v1 BW GAMES 5$/10$ betgames msg 

marllboro   Greece. Nov 23 2008 05:08. Posts 494

just saying lol

HEY IM A SCAMMER LULZ. 

fira   United States. Nov 23 2008 05:14. Posts 6345

I shove


Exhilarate   United States. Nov 23 2008 05:50. Posts 5453

shove, or at least call and evaluate the turn.


fira   United States. Nov 23 2008 06:15. Posts 6345

The real question here is, why play FR?


Luckb0xx   Germany. Nov 23 2008 07:38. Posts 2069

shoving here is never -EV

pfffffff... 

MayZerG   United Kingdom. Nov 23 2008 08:52. Posts 2123

shove ffs...

I like to hold all the nuts - CrownRoyal 

shipbr   . Nov 23 2008 13:53. Posts 140


  On November 22 2008 16:16 marllboro wrote:
if i have 5k on the table and it will be my all bankroll i will still shove this hand..doesnt metter if it is fullring or 6 game.

Eights are good 

TallyHo   Malaysia. Nov 23 2008 14:02. Posts 384

Wow, over 1k views. This must be an interesting spot.

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Venrae   United States. Nov 24 2008 00:12. Posts 1545

My money goes in the middle every time here.

Learn to appreciate the value of the dollar. The rest is easy. (Hurricane @ TL) 

[vital]Myth    United States. Nov 24 2008 00:41. Posts 12159

edzwoo you win life

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

JoeDeertay   United States. Dec 03 2008 12:21. Posts 1730

What the fuck is wrong with you people saying shit like "OMFG STOP PLAYING FR YOU IDIOT NIT"? I have no idea why people find the need to just bash FR for absolutely no good reason at all.

Variance has a big brother named doomswitch. - edzwoo 

GirlsRVicious   United States. Dec 03 2008 12:31. Posts 1094

Rocko what do you run like 4/4

LOL Live Pokerz 

Zuries   United Kingdom. Dec 04 2008 15:02. Posts 120

instant shove for me


dogmeat   Czech Republic. Dec 04 2008 16:29. Posts 6374


  On November 21 2008 02:04 traxamillion wrote:
10/7 is not solid that is a fucking sethunting nit and don't get down emotionally over poker or you aren't going to play well.

checking your emotion at the door when you sit at the tables is important.

you should also take into consideration that if the reg knows matia is an 80%vpip fish he should be calling lighter pre and when he raises the flop he knows he folds out most of your range but the fish will stick around with shit like 1 diamond and thus raise flop lighter too.

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you leveled urself imo



you should also consider situation where fish ships it in too w/ some d or so

something like this:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.389% 33.39% 00.00% 1809 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 63.732% 63.73% 00.00% 3453 0.00 { 99, 33 }
Hand 2: 02.879% 02.88% 00.00% 156 0.00 { KsQd }

dunno if nit is even 3betting KK pf, fish could have flopped flush too, it's close imo


ban baal 

TalentedTom    Canada. Dec 04 2008 17:43. Posts 20070

this is oen of thsose spots where you can call/call
or shove

but never fold

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