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neilly im sorry but your last post is just a big joke dude, a guy ive played like 400 hands with who runs 10/7, even in the oh so terrible nl50, is not cold calling QK or JK offsuit unless he misclicked, highly likely not even suited, but seeing as QK/JK suited are impossible given the flop..

so the flop reraiser is 10/7 solid, the caller inbetween on flop is like 80vpip, the big fish on the table.

i think i have to start playing stronger in general, but this particular spot, because we're not hu, i think folding becomes a lot more of a valid option. yes if we are hu i can't let myself be walked over, as i apparently am 24/7. because i indeed am a shitty poker player with very little potential. and im not being sarcastic. im like depressed as shit.

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It's fine.

I really think hands like this look very "standard", and when people tell you to always shove here, it's probably not even that bad.

But if you REALLY want to have better than some robotic 2ptbb winrate just by playing really tight/set mining, then I think thinking through these kind of hands that look very "standard" are important.

People are too stuck on first level thinking, which works perfect for the most part in micros. But when you get into a situation with regs that probably have specific hands based on their actions, then you do have to take that into account.

Either shoving and folding is fine, i did the math.

10/7 is not solid that is a fucking sethunting nit and don't get down emotionally over poker or you aren't going to play well.

checking your emotion at the door when you sit at the tables is important.

you should also take into consideration that if the reg knows matia is an 80%vpip fish he should be calling lighter pre and when he raises the flop he knows he folds out most of your range but the fish will stick around with shit like 1 diamond and thus raise flop lighter too.

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On November 21 2008 02:03 lostaccount wrote: Either shoving and folding is fine, i did the math.

then shove is better

Stop playing for the night IMO you seem out of it man.

This hand is pretty much OK though. GJ. (I lean towards shoving personally but I play lower stakes, maybe for a reason who knows)

On November 21 2008 02:07 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2008 02:03 lostaccount wrote: Either shoving and folding is fine, i did the math. then shove is better

not really when its 0ev, i rather fold because it reduce the variance since i play worst if im stuck.

but in this spot i shove most of the time, almost always. Ccer might even stick his stack in. I think shoving is little more +ev not much but just a little more +ev.

"neilly im sorry but your last post is just a big joke dude"

"because i indeed am a shitty poker player with very little potential. and im not being sarcastic. im like depressed as shit."


we're trying to give you constructive help, if you were content that you made the 100% perfect fold then why even post it?

we're giving you constructive criticism on how we play the situation, obv u know what i would do, others think fold is fine too, which i think is an ok play. i play monster poker though, and don't fold these situations.

my post isn't a joke, its a standard push, especially in a 3way pot where your ev is increased and the pot is inflated, giving you more to win with less risk

u can fold, and its fine, but if you do so, don't post it and back it up that its a 100% perfect fold when in all reality its very questionable.

we're here to help, you can always fold this situation, but now you have multiple peoples perspectives on how the hand would be played by others.

also, i am a 6max player and have avoided fr for the last year or so, i do remember it being a 100% nitfest, setminers and ppl drawing for flushes etc, but i also know its nl50 and ppl stack off really light on low stakes like this

this situation can also be deeper, if he knows you, he knows that you will most likely be giving this up on the flop most of the time due to your very tight image, and may be making a play with a wider range of hands, trying to get hu vs the 80vpip player

idk, i shove it, but folding isn't terrible

the main reason i shove is because its 1 buy-in in a 3 way pot with the nut redraw if you are behind, and you get information on your villian and won't have any problems playing vs him in the future, for the cost of showing down one hand that you will most likely win

hope we helped, im off to sleep, gl

think you prolly give the 10/7 nit too much credit trax, he probably hasnt adjusted anything at all.

fold is okay i guess, low variance route imo

I shove this without too much thinking. You have the nutflushdraw, top pair, lot's of suckout value if you are behind!

it's a lot of money in the pot as well 24!

Shove, shove because I hate folding overpairs with the nut redraw, then again, I guess I play 6-max and suck at FR for a reason.

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its not liquidpoker its liquidnit

normally i would say easy shove but villian is a sick nit and is not raising here with anything less than a set.

However hero's hand looks so pretty and i will shove hoping for a diamond....

You have the A diamond so it makes it less likely he's shoving with pair/A. You're behind almost always in this situation and the only time yo'ure not is when the raiser is trying to isolate the really bad player with something like top pair weak kicker. Like if you said the caller is like 80 vpip i could see a raise with something like QK just to get you out of the hand and the fish to call with this K8o.

But I doubt the villian is thinking like that so this is usually a fold. or.. i mean you could GAMB00LLL!!!!

thanks for putting me on sick tilt. Atleast call the raise man wtf

Oh its nl50, dude just ship it in

wtf. i read that hand and i expected everyone to say "SHOVEEEEEE WTFFF"
seems like a very easy shove

i don't think i've ever folded here. but maybe fullring is different.

vs passives at Nl50 this is close imo. a lot of you are underestimating the nittiness and passiveness of NL50 regulars or what not. and Since you have A of diamonds semi bluffs are like non exsistant in his range. So it's more likely made hands.

that said i'd prolly call and fold to further big action on the turn.

even if vilain has a set you have 11 outs. I would shove. if your properly rolled you wouldnt be such a nit for 1 buyin . Dont be so depressed about poker. if it affects you that much, dont play its not worth it. gl.

On November 21 2008 11:06 SakiSaki wrote: thanks for putting me on sick tilt. Atleast call the raise man wtf

You have 34% equity versus KK/99/33 that flopped a set, so shoving can never be bad, given that there is a good amount of money in the pot. Also, I would expect a bigger raise with a set. I lean towards a shove.

If you are REALLY REALLY scared, at least call the raise seeing as you have outs coming out of your ears and have the necessary odds.

Don't fold though please...

i autoshove here all day every day
well, except maybe... once

On November 21 2008 17:04 YoMeR wrote: vs passives at Nl50 this is close imo. a lot of you are underestimating the nittiness and passiveness of NL50 regulars or what not. and Since you have A of diamonds semi bluffs are like non exsistant in his range. So it's more likely made hands. that said i'd prolly call and fold to further big action on the turn.

On November 21 2008 02:12 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2008 02:07 traxamillion wrote:   On November 21 2008 02:03 lostaccount wrote: Either shoving and folding is fine, i did the math. then shove is better not really when its 0ev, i rather fold because it reduce the variance since i play worst if im stuck.

shove to get fpps and buy a range rover

On November 21 2008 17:04 YoMeR wrote: vs passives at Nl50 this is close imo. a lot of you are underestimating the nittiness and passiveness of NL50 regulars or what not. and Since you have A of diamonds semi bluffs are like non exsistant in his range. So it's more likely made hands. that said i'd prolly call and fold to further big action on the turn.

this seems like spew to me

I mean, you're never going to want to fold if you miss on the turn anyway. over 1/2 your stack will be sitting in the middle..?

SHOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE WTFFF

i really dont see how you can fold this....and believe me i am nitlife at times.

On November 21 2008 12:04 geometryb wrote: i don't think i've ever folded here. but maybe fullring is different.

Its VERY different.

stop fucking playing fullring

and yeah I feel like you're probably beat here, folding isn't therrible

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

15,840 games 0.005 secs 3,168,000 games/sec

Board: Kd 9d 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.636% 56.65% 01.99% 8973 315.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 41.364% 39.38% 01.99% 6237 315.00 { QQ+, 99, 33 }


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i dont see how do u ever ever ever fold here

if i have 5k on the table and it will be my all bankroll i will still shove this hand..doesnt metter if it is fullring or 6 game.

On November 22 2008 16:16 marllboro wrote: if i have 5k on the table and it will be my all bankroll i will still shove this hand..doesnt metter if it is fullring or 6 game.

why would you play with your whole roll at 1 table?

just saying lol

I shove

shove, or at least call and evaluate the turn.

The real question here is, why play FR?

shoving here is never -EV

shove ffs...

On November 22 2008 16:16 marllboro wrote: if i have 5k on the table and it will be my all bankroll i will still shove this hand..doesnt metter if it is fullring or 6 game.

Wow, over 1k views. This must be an interesting spot.

My money goes in the middle every time here.

edzwoo you win life

What the fuck is wrong with you people saying shit like "OMFG STOP PLAYING FR YOU IDIOT NIT"? I have no idea why people find the need to just bash FR for absolutely no good reason at all.

Rocko what do you run like 4/4

instant shove for me

On November 21 2008 02:04 traxamillion wrote: 10/7 is not solid that is a fucking sethunting nit and don't get down emotionally over poker or you aren't going to play well. checking your emotion at the door when you sit at the tables is important. you should also take into consideration that if the reg knows matia is an 80%vpip fish he should be calling lighter pre and when he raises the flop he knows he folds out most of your range but the fish will stick around with shit like 1 diamond and thus raise flop lighter too. -------

you leveled urself imo



you should also consider situation where fish ships it in too w/ some d or so

something like this:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.389% 33.39% 00.00% 1809 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 63.732% 63.73% 00.00% 3453 0.00 { 99, 33 }
Hand 2: 02.879% 02.88% 00.00% 156 0.00 { KsQd }

dunno if nit is even 3betting KK pf, fish could have flopped flush too, it's close imo

this is oen of thsose spots where you can call/call
or shove

but never fold