Top 10 mma guys ever. - Page 5

i think people understood what i meant by straight ability.

i meant when it was too close to call i went by straight ability.

i ranked fedor and nog #1,2 even though ability wise its possible people are higher than nog.

then when it was too close to call between 3-7 i ranked them there based on what i thought of their abilities.
then i put hughes 8th based on his accomplishments, obviously he isnt more skilled than gsp but right now his accomplishments put him in front of gsp.

so basically whenever i couldnt decide who belonged before who in a certain ranking group i went by ability.

as for penn being #1 bjj, that includes bjj that has punching incorporated, not just straight jiu jitsu. i think bj is the best at being on the top and pounding/avoiding subs while also moving towards a mount, which then moves towards a rear naked choke.

and no im not training myself, but nazgul mig and i are going to start this summer. really excited to do so.

[B] Do u train MMA yourself ? Or are u too busy being a poker hero

i train mma yes.

but that doesn't mean i'll know more then anyone else. Josh Gross is yoda of mma and i could probably whup his ass in an mma match.

in any case rickson cannot be top ten because he refuses to fight anyone good.

while everyone on that top 10 list do everything they can to fight top opponents.

basically 90% of randy's opponents would tool rickson horribly.

On March 13 2008 18:33 Daut wrote: as for penn being #1 bjj, that includes bjj that has punching incorporated, not just straight jiu jitsu. i think bj is the best at being on the top and pounding/avoiding subs while also moving towards a mount, which then moves towards a rear naked choke. and no im not training myself, but nazgul mig and i are going to start this summer. really excited to do so.

i'm very excited for you guys. I'm looking to fight soon and keanu hopefully will be back in it soon.

i just wish i was a poker god cuz i would honestly quit my job and do this full time + open a gym.

i took 3 years of bjj and got my purple belt but health problems stopped me, i have another knee operation coming up but after that im really going to jump back into it as much as i can since it's so much fun

as for kid i think people seriously underestimate just how impressive him fighting at 155 is. like daut said, this is like bj penn moving up to 185 and taking on a. silva...i mean couture's fame comes from the fact that as a lw champion he was able to move up to hw and be champion and that was not only just one class higher, it's also the easiest jump. it's not that he doesn't want to cut either, he goes into 155 pound fights weighing 140 soaking wet and annihilates royler gracie, genki sudo, and caol uno? all legit top 20 155ers with sudo being arguably top 10 at the time. combine that with some of the best hands at 155 (p4p the heaviest, and it's not close) as well as arguably the best wrestling pedigree in the history of mma (between lindland and kid imo). he's very similar to fedor, with fedor having the better sub game and kid having the better wrestling / shoots. it's too bad he's fought most of his career in K-1, i really would have loved to see him in the lwgp.

as for what happened between kid and katsuta, katsuta was talking a lot of shit about kids sister before the fight i believe. me and fox were talking about it one day and were laughing at how stupid you have to be to piss off kid.

and yeah i don't really mind if i never fight an mma fight but i'd love to compete in adcc, the pan ams, the mundials, or any other huge bjj tourney. if i could have my own way, in 10 years i'd either have my own bjj gym or be teaching at the renzo gracie academy in NY (while kyra gracie swoons for me of course)

and actually i agree with daut on the top 5 so on my list im gonna switch big nog and gsp
i think the one thing you can say thats in common for everyone in the top 5 is they are all among the most mentally tough fighters in mma, just very pure like they were born to do this one thing...you can't really say that about gsp yet so he's #6.

I couldn't make a solid top 10 list because MMA has a lot more upsets than most other sports, and only in my mind 2 people have been unphased by that. I also added Anderson Silva to the list because he is in such a dominating position of his weight class at this moment.

My Top 3

Fedor Emelianenko (233lbs)
27-1
Only Loss Due to a Cut (Avenged)

Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto (143lbs)
17-1
Only Loss Due to a Cut

Anderson Silva (185lbs)
21-4

Other Thoughts:

Nog - Definitely a top 5 fighter. Would be the best in the world if Fedor wasn't alive. It's amazing how he always finds a way to turn some small hope into a reality.

Royce - It's hard to grasp how much of a contribution he made to the sport, and then watch him get dismantled by Matt Hughes so soundly. The argument for putting him in the top 5 is there.

Sakuraba - The Gracie Hunter, destroyed them when they were the kings of MMA. I think Sakuraba deserves all the love he gets.

Hughes - Had an amazing streak going, but got thoroughly embarrassed by GSP twice =\

Bas Rutten, Ken Shamrock, Oleg Taktarov, Tank Abbot, Igor Vovchachyn(To lazy to look this up) - Past is the Past, but they all helped a lot.

Frank Shamrock - The Current Middle Weight Champ for EliteXC I believe. Already a legend.

Liddell - I think he could have had a better legacy if the UFC didn't feed him people so he could knock them out and sell more tickets.

BJ Penn - Guh. BJ Penn bothers me. He gets so much love from people because of what he could be rather than what he has been in the past. BJ Penn losses a lot of fights he probably could have won and has great skills. I'll concede that. But until he does something impressive like beat Sherk, and win 2 fights after that, I still think he's a nobody. He's like Carlos Newton.

Randy - The guy you love to love, but I don't think it's that impressive of a record he holds.

Gomi - Needs to stop losing to people like Nick Diaz

crocop - See Above

rickson - 400-0? Yeah, Right. If he ever decides to fight someone for real we'll see that he's good, but not top 10 material.

GSP - Probably the best fighter in the UFC If he gets over his fluke loss to Serra and goes back to his old self of stand up. His wrestling and stand up are both amazing. Not quite Kid Amazing, but not that far off.

Mark Kerr & Mark Coleman - Imagine the damage these two could have done if they didn't have huge personal problems?

Urijah Faber - I Don't know enough about him to really say =[

Sherk - Steroids. Hope Penn beats him bad.


And just becuase you guys might enjoy it heres a link to 40 of the Greatest SHOOTO Fights with some guys you may not be to familiar with

http://subfighter.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58022

[edit] oh and just for kicks I think Enson Inoue should be honorary #10. There are so many cool stories about him like when he flied a member of Sherdog out to train with him for two weeks, for making him a highlight video. How he got Kid to start training MMA, Other cool Yakuza stories with sakuraba. Yamato Damashii. Dude is amazing

re bj penn:

wins over caol uno, din thomas, matt serra, takanori gomi, matt hughes, bang ludwig, renzo gracie, rodrigo gracie, jens pulver, and joe stevenson
that's a really good list of fighters to have beaten. there's four ufc/pride champions/ex-champions in that list.

analyze his losses
loss to matt hughes: very close fight in which bj penn seperates a rib and gasses out leading to the loss, was beating hughes prior to the third. going 1-1 with the greatest 170 pounder in ufc history when you're a natural 155er isn't too shabby
loss to gsp: split decision loss which could have gone either way. gsp has made the very best 170ers look silly yet bj took him the distance and just about won.
loss to machida: 155er fighting a legit top 5 205er, dunno what else to say.
loss to jens pulver: the one really ugly loss, but that was a while ago and bj did avenge it.

his resume is pretty good :[

On March 13 2008 22:15 KeanuReaver wrote: re bj penn: his resume is pretty good :[

You make good points, his fights are pretty much a whose who list of guys. I guess its more of a personal thing with me. I put my heart and soul into training, leave everything on the mat, and it kind of urks me that some of the losses he had, should have been won if he wasn't simply riding his natural talent. Also his losses are spread out to the point where I don't think he has ever established himself to be the top in his division while people give him credit for being the best. That being said, he might go on to do just that soon =|

http://mmafightline.com/news/2008/313/fedor_emelianenko_318666.shtml

Sources close to negotiations between the UFC and Fedor's management have informed MMAFightline.com that the two sides are currently discussing a possible one fight deal that would bring Fedor to the cage, presumably to face Randy Couture. It is unknown whether Couture would end his lawsuit and come back to the UFC to face Fedor if the UFC were able to offer such a fight, but Couture has stated on numerous occasions that this is the only fight that makes sense at this stage of his career. It should be noted that nothing is eminent at this point and negotiations are in the general discussion phase. If made, however, the deal would be unprecedented. The UFC is notorious for locking up fighters in long term deals and not allowing them to leave as champions. We'll have more on this story as it develops.

ONE TIME

oh shit
ONE TIME DANA

@ Daut

Nice
Mig and You will start training MMA
I hope you both stay motivated and have hell of fun. It may be a bit hard in the beginning when u havent done any full contact sports before since u must get used to pain a bit... but once youre past that stage you will fall in love with the sport for sure !

when u guys are ready some time we must make a Liquidpoker fight night ^^
that would be the coolest thing on earth.


@ Rickson topic.
Come one guys

He should fight someone real ?
He is 50 years old T_T

His prime was in like 1984-1995
When he won Pride1 in 1997 he was allready ~ 40 years old and past his prime >-<

So you wanted him to fight the upcomming young guns like Vitor Belfort , Wanderlei Silva, JeremyHorn etc. who where all ~ 20-22 years old at that time when Rickson was 40years and past his prime.

Rickson has never refused anyone when he was young.
of his mystical 400-0 record at least 185 fights vs all kinds of different challengers are dokumented. ( ive seen a list somewhere cant remember)
he started to refuse fights after he was past 40 years which imo is only kinda logical. ( why should he destory his legacy on purpouse ? )

That is just not fair imo.

pretty sure rickson actively dodged bas and possibly even frank.

and fedor vs randy makes my head explode.

On March 13 2008 22:15 KeanuReaver wrote: re bj penn: wins over caol uno, din thomas, matt serra, takanori gomi, matt hughes, bang ludwig, renzo gracie, rodrigo gracie, jens pulver, and joe stevenson that's a really good list of fighters to have beaten. there's four ufc/pride champions/ex-champions in that list. analyze his losses loss to matt hughes: very close fight in which bj penn seperates a rib and gasses out leading to the loss, was beating hughes prior to the third. going 1-1 with the greatest 170 pounder in ufc history when you're a natural 155er isn't too shabby loss to gsp: split decision loss which could have gone either way. gsp has made the very best 170ers look silly yet bj took him the distance and just about won. loss to machida: 155er fighting a legit top 5 205er, dunno what else to say. loss to jens pulver: the one really ugly loss, but that was a while ago and bj did avenge it. his resume is pretty good :[

don't forget the way he's finished some of those guys.

On March 13 2008 14:51 NiagaraPoker wrote: I don't know why Nogueria gets the respect that he does to be honest. I have always been left unimpressed with his fights. I just don't see the talent that some of the other greats have. He is just a pretty tough dude with good BJJ. Don't get me wrong is is definatly in the top 10 100%, but I seriously could not justify putting him higher than 5+. It's really tough to come up with a top 10 list of guys in the MMA dude to criteria really. Some were so fucking dominant in their time, but in today's standards would be really tough to judge who the all time greats really are. Although 1 thing I am certian we can all agree on is Fedor just being a total monster. My top 10: 1. Fedor Emelianenko 2. Anderson Silva 3. Mirko Cro-Cop 4. BJ Penn 5. Randy Couture 6. GSP 7. Matt Hughes 8. Nogueria 9. Chuck Liddell 10. Dan Henderson

QFT,anyways you guys are placing crocop low because of his unexpected losses,all im gonna say...

Gonzaga match was rigged,its pretty well known in croatia that it was rigged and some of the other matches Mirko lost to an underdog were because of his personal issues at life at that time...

And for anyone who places sakuraba above mirko in his list is a total fucking tool,check out their fights.

On March 14 2008 05:14 PplusAD wrote: @ Daut Nice Mig and You will start training MMA I hope you both stay motivated and have hell of fun. It may be a bit hard in the beginning when u havent done any full contact sports before since u must get used to pain a bit... but once youre past that stage you will fall in love with the sport for sure ! when u guys are ready some time we must make a Liquidpoker fight night ^^ that would be the coolest thing on earth. @ Rickson topic. Come one guys He should fight someone real ? He is 50 years old T_T His prime was in like 1984-1995 When he won Pride1 in 1997 he was allready ~ 40 years old and past his prime >-< So you wanted him to fight the upcomming young guns like Vitor Belfort , Wanderlei Silva, JeremyHorn etc. who where all ~ 20-22 years old at that time when Rickson was 40years and past his prime. Rickson has never refused anyone when he was young. of his mystical 400-0 record at least 185 fights vs all kinds of different challengers are dokumented. ( ive seen a list somewhere cant remember) he started to refuse fights after he was past 40 years which imo is only kinda logical. ( why should he destory his legacy on purpouse ? ) That is just not fair imo.

KEK,do I classify as a MMA fighter cuz of the fact I trained Karate ,taekwondo and Jet Kune Do?

GAG

On March 14 2008 07:18 Cro)Deadman wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2008 14:51 NiagaraPoker wrote: I don't know why Nogueria gets the respect that he does to be honest. I have always been left unimpressed with his fights. I just don't see the talent that some of the other greats have. He is just a pretty tough dude with good BJJ. Don't get me wrong is is definatly in the top 10 100%, but I seriously could not justify putting him higher than 5+. It's really tough to come up with a top 10 list of guys in the MMA dude to criteria really. Some were so fucking dominant in their time, but in today's standards would be really tough to judge who the all time greats really are. Although 1 thing I am certian we can all agree on is Fedor just being a total monster. My top 10: 1. Fedor Emelianenko 2. Anderson Silva 3. Mirko Cro-Cop 4. BJ Penn 5. Randy Couture 6. GSP 7. Matt Hughes 8. Nogueria 9. Chuck Liddell 10. Dan Henderson QFT,anyways you guys are placing crocop low because of his unexpected losses,all im gonna say... Gonzaga match was rigged,its pretty well known in croatia that it was rigged and some of the other matches Mirko lost to an underdog were because of his personal issues at life at that time... And for anyone who places sakuraba above mirko in his list is a total fucking tool,check out their fights.

pretty sure anyone who knows mma puts sakuraba above mirko easily.

sakuraba has beaten former ufc HW champs former ufc WW champs. He's beaten and fought so many guys. He's a legend and a god he's EASILY ahead of mirko. EASILY.

lol @ a rigged match finished by a brutal ko and tearing apart his ankle youre just a complete idiot I can't make anything else out of this

in terms of top 10 ever you dont look at current skill level but you look at what they were in their primes compared to their peers, achievements, and what they have meant for MMA. mirko has done absolutely nothing to revolutionize MMA, never held a belt never was considered the best, basically hes nowhere near a candidate for such a top 10.

Well Crocop was considered TOP3 world before he moved to UFC ?
His left high kicks were the deadliest in the MMA world by then.

I dont know whats up with all the TOP pride guys losing their first UFC matches ....
I recently watched Shogun vs Griffin again ...
Its so lol how Shogun gasses at the middle of round 2 ... >_<
He basically destroyed everyone in Pride where the first round is 10 minutes without break

but in UFC he gets so tired that he can hardly stand on his own feet anymore after only 5 minutes having a break ???
I found that very strange to be honest

@ deadman

well you arent an MMA fighter

But ofc you would be allowed to fight at our Liquidpoker Fight Event if that is ever gonna happen.

As i think mig is in my weight class ?
Id like to fight him for rolls in MMA after he trained some