Top 10 mma guys ever. - Page 2

On March 12 2008 16:57 Daut wrote: i tried to make a list 2-3 times but it was almost impossible for me so i decided that im only going to list fedor and minotauro as #1 and #2 respectively. after them a group of the following are my next top 15 (just going from heavyweight down the line): bas, couture, crocop, liddell, hendo, wandy, rampage, anderson silva, sakuraba, gsp, matt hughes, bj penn, gomi, kid, faber.

oh wait i misread the list

still disagreed with no igor and yes mirko

wtf daut you have mirko in your top 10. i have to shun u now.

i think mirko is awesome i'm a huge mirko fan. but realize the guy mindjobs himself and loses fights he should win. yeah he's 3-0 with barnett which is godly and he was dominated nog at one point. fedor also called him his toughest opponent. but be that as it may he's still a mindjob that squanders his super talent. see vitor.

and come on
i hate couture but he's definitely top 10
first person to hold a championship in two different weight classes? obliterated tito and vitor both when they were in their primes and considered absolute monsters? had one of the best rivalry's in the ufc with liddell (which he lost but even still)

bas has less of a claim than couture imo but even still he was one of the best from pancrase (top 3 is prob rickson, frank shamrock, and bas...all three of those guys can be considered for top 10 best ever) and was ufc hw champion.

no mirko isnt in my top 10
he would be towards the bottom of that list, id put him and faber 14th and 15th

i just had a very hard time ranking 3-13

yeah sherdog guys were having major issues on radio making one upl

they said they would compile it this friday i suggest everyone tune in and call in to comment.

moved to general so it doesnt disappear!

the problem with making lists is that after nog and fedor, styles matter so much in each matchup. like how can you put randy ahead of chuck when chuck beat him twice, but how can you put chuck ahead of randy when randy won in multiple weight classes multiple times. and how can you put chuck very high when he will probably never beat rampage. just so hard to compile a list given info like that, but given my parameters, of the current fighters i would put bj penn or anderson silva next because i think they have the best ability to move around weight classes and best overall abilities. kid is close to that, so is randy, and besides those guys id consider putting bas near the top.

so my 3rd-7th would be a jumbling of kid, spider, bj penn, bas, and randy.

then id go with hughes cause he dominated 170 for so so long and fought/beat everyone.

then id have to go with gomi/sakuraba/wandy/liddell/rampage/gsp/hendo for 9th-15th

then mirko and faber at the bottom.


so i guess in order

1. fedor
2. nog
3-7 in no order: spider, penn, bas, randy, kid
8. hughes
9-15 gomi, sakuraba, wandy, liddell, rampage, gsp, hendo

then mirko, faber, gracie, and a couple other guys who i dont think belong in the top top class of guys


didnt include igor cause i think mirko is a better fighter capable of beating higher ranked opponents than igor ever was. also didnt include some of the 155 japanese guys besides gomi cause i dont know much about them. didnt include gracie cause of the roid garbage plus the fact that i agree with whoever said he was more of a novelty than a top top fighter.

yeah this is really hard to narrow down

royce
sakuraba
a silva
fedor
couture
liddell
wandy
minotauro
frank shamrock
bj penn
kid
hendo
coleman
gsp
hughes
bas
gomi

so many great fighters i dunno what to do

whos that crazy rusky that signed (or will sign) with UFC?

god i keep forgetting fighters
yeah this is really hard, narrowing it down by either skill or influence will cut off a lot of the names though

fuck it, im going to man up and do it by straight ability. i dont think theres another way to go about it. basically the measurement is who is the best in his weightclass with also having the best chance to move up and succeed.

1. fedor
2. nog
3. anderson silva
4. bj penn
5. kid
6. bas
7. randy
8. matt hughes
9. hendo
10. gsp (could argue for both higher based on natural ability and room for improvement and lower based on not yet being champion of his weight class and has yet to fight fitch but this is where he stays for me for now)
11. sakuraba
12. wandy
13. liddell
14. rampage
15. gomi (after that fight vs diaz and how bad he lost vs penn i had to put him this low)


fuck it i manned up ill stick by it even though ill want to change it later

straight ability based on todays standards or straight ability relative to the standards when they fought?

todays standards.

i like your lists keanu/daut a few comments.

and i'm just playing devils advocate on this just to mix it up.

bj penn is so talented but he's a lot like mirko. they destroy opponents badly. Mirko vs aleks/barnett/igor/coleman just complete obliteration and before he lost to nog he was tooling him.

but yet mirko gets beat by hunt/randleman/kongo (WTF) etc.
bj shreds hughes/gomi but loses to pulver... loses to gsp/hughes cuz he has horrible conditioning.

wandy never really much of anyone that was at his weight that was good except rampage. Once he did he had issues.

gomi shredded so many top LW but he mindjobs himself and apparently has issues against bjj guys.

But yeah all those guys should be in the tops.

well the thing with penn was, he avenged loss to pulver, he lost to bigger guys when he was poorly conditioned (machida had like 40 lbs on him), and is probably the best bjj practitioner in the world. so i think he has to stay very high on the list.

gomi is yeah, i dunno lol. i should probably put him higher. but he looked so so so bad in the diaz fight and in the aurelio fight. he looked ok vs penn i guess, but bj just looked so sosososo good in that fight.

wandy yeah i sort of agree he never dominated in a way that would make him top of the list, but he beat rampage twice, beat hendo, beat sakuraba, and lost to some really really good fighters so im ok with my positioning of him.

mirko is...well...you have have to throw out the kongo fight, broken rib affected him a lot. randleman and hunt no comment lol, but yeah, i put him in the same area as gomi. very very very good, occasionally has some mindfuck performance that leaves you saying HUH WHAT HAPPENED. same goes for a guy like shogun. just really really good fighters that are inconsistent at times.

On March 12 2008 20:35 Daut wrote: fuck it, im going to man up and do it by straight ability. i dont think theres another way to go about it. basically the measurement is who is the best in his weightclass with also having the best chance to move up and succeed. 1. fedor 2. nog 3. anderson silva 4. bj penn 5. kid 6. bas 7. randy 8. matt hughes 9. hendo 10. gsp (could argue for both higher based on natural ability and room for improvement and lower based on not yet being champion of his weight class and has yet to fight fitch but this is where he stays for me for now) 11. sakuraba 12. wandy 13. liddell 14. rampage 15. gomi (after that fight vs diaz and how bad he lost vs penn i had to put him this low) fuck it i manned up ill stick by it even though ill want to change it later

nog ahead of the spider on ability? dont get me wrong nogs a legend but a bit one dimensional. his abilities are basically amazing chin/heart and jitsu. aka he gets the hell beat out of him and usually catches a sub. id put penn & silva ahead of nog on pure ability.

ok then my turn!

1. kid
2. anderson silva
3. bj penn
4. fedor
5. gsp
6. big nog
7. saku
8. gomi
9. liddell
10. frank shamrock

first 6 were fairly easy. kid got his fame by being one of the best 155ers and one of the biggest misconceptions is that he's a natural 143er...he's not, he's a natural 132 or 123er. forget being competitive in the weight division one level higher than your own, he was competitive and great in a weight division 3 levels above of his own.

a silva, bj penn, and fedor are pretty much interchangable...they've all crushed some of the best in their division and have shown to not only be very well rounded but also that one aspect of their game is the best you will ever find in mma (silva is striking, fedor top position ground, bj penn all around sub/ground game).

gsp and big nog were the next teir. i think they're really close to the three above but something is holding them back. for nog it's the fact that he couldn't beat fedor...but even still he's easily the second best hw ever and has been both the pride and ufc hw champion. for gsp he has a loss to avenge to serra and has shown on a couple of occasions that he sometimes panics (first fight with hughes comes to mind), but his dominance prior to the serra fight was just unbelievable.

after that it was a little more difficult. saku was amazing and had he always fought at 185 or 170 he could have been in the top 3 but the prime of his career was cut short by the ineptitude of pride. gomi at times looks to be as good as anyone but recent losses to aurelio and diaz were bad, but biggest is his loss to penn where he was really dominated.. liddell has as many great wins as anyone but going 0-2 vs rampage is awful. frank shamrock was great too but he left in the prime of his career, his own attitude ruined his legacy.

well when i said that it was mainly im going to put fedor and nog 1/2 then rank people based on ability when its too close to call

i do agree with your point though, but one could argue that nog is the best big man bjj guy in the world bar none, and you cant really say anderson is in another league of striking from the k1 guys or top boxers

On March 12 2008 21:09 KeanuReaver wrote: ok then my turn! 1. kid 2. anderson silva 3. bj penn 4. fedor 5. gsp 6. big nog 7. saku 8. gomi 9. liddell 10. frank shamrock first 6 were fairly easy. kid got his fame by being one of the best 155ers and one of the biggest misconceptions is that he's a natural 143er...he's not, he's a natural 132 or 123er. forget being competitive in the weight division one level higher than your own, he was competitive and great in a weight division 3 levels above of his own. a silva, bj penn, and fedor are pretty much interchangable...they've all crushed some of the best in their division and have shown to not only be very well rounded but also that one aspect of their game is the best you will ever find in mma (silva is striking, fedor top position ground, bj penn all around sub/ground game). gsp and big nog were the next teir. i think they're really close to the three above but something is holding them back. for nog it's the fact that he couldn't beat fedor...but even still he's easily the second best hw ever and has been both the pride and ufc hw champion. for gsp he has a loss to avenge to serra and has shown on a couple of occasions that he sometimes panics (first fight with hughes comes to mind), but his dominance prior to the serra fight was just unbelievable. after that it was a little more difficult. saku was amazing and had he always fought at 185 or 170 he could have been in the top 3 but the prime of his career was cut short by the ineptitude of pride. gomi at times looks to be as good as anyone but recent losses to aurelio and diaz were bad, but biggest is his loss to penn where he was really dominated.. liddell has as many great wins as anyone but going 0-2 vs rampage is awful. frank shamrock was great too but he left in the prime of his career, his own attitude ruined his legacy.

hard to refute any of your reasoning in top 6, but i think putting fedor below 2nd is still a crime. i also think you are underestimating the KICK TO THE GROIN

had no idea that kid moved up that much. dl'ing his fight pack now