Stars 2/4 datamine - Page 4

btw i tought datamining in stars was impossible o_o and highly illegal, its not that i care that much but i wouldnt like my exact stats flying arround for every asshole to see withouth paying their fee to know how i play.

how do you stop a dataminer who uses screen scraping?

"In between those two extremes are many programs - some of which we consider to be too close to cheating. For example, there are people building huge databases with profiles of every player on PokerStars, and they are selling access to these databases. A player with access to such a database can call up detailed information about every one of his opponents without ever playing against those opponents himself. We believe this gives that player an unfair advantage against others at his table."

I guess this datamining process is illegal?

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yep playingnaked, datamining is against stars TOC and pretty unethical but its definitely out there so if u dont do it ur disadvantaged vs people u play against that do it. and this is a good enough argument for people to start doing it. sucks but welcome to the real world

pwnin!!!!!!

is it normal for the biggest winner at a stake to average like one buyin a day?

the #s are off, and if i had played a normal amount i would have made a lot more

imma play a ton this month

On October 08 2007 14:51 PoorUser wrote: is it normal for the biggest winner at a stake to average like one buyin a day?

nah theres a lot missing i would guess the biggest winner won about 2 buyins per day on average

what other levels do they have?

lower + higher stakes then just 2/4?

If so do you know what stakes they offer?

imma be on top in october biatch!

do they offer NL200/NL400/NL600 fullring?

On October 08 2007 11:47 Ket wrote: yep playingnaked, datamining is against stars TOC and pretty unethical but its definitely out there so if u dont do it ur disadvantaged vs people u play against that do it. and this is a good enough argument for people to start doing it. sucks but welcome to the real world

i dunno, as smart players we vary our play by table, we adjust and adapt, and we definitely don't worry about people having "reliable long-term stats." i would much rather see somebody absolutely convinced that i am always running 25/21, when i'm actually playing 39/35 right now because the table allows it.

i'm glad people rely on datamining, because if they overvalue long-term stats, then they're playing bad/robotic poker.

i dunno, you can't get individual HH from the datamines though right?

On October 08 2007 17:49 shaneomac wrote: do they offer NL200/NL400/NL600 fullring?

yeah i've seen fullring datamines. i think everything is mined, but as you can see it's very incomplete...so in terms of winrates, these datamines won't do you much good.

On October 08 2007 18:02 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2007 11:47 Ket wrote: yep playingnaked, datamining is against stars TOC and pretty unethical but its definitely out there so if u dont do it ur disadvantaged vs people u play against that do it. and this is a good enough argument for people to start doing it. sucks but welcome to the real world i dunno, as smart players we vary our play by table, we adjust and adapt, and we definitely don't worry about people having "reliable long-term stats." i would much rather see somebody absolutely convinced that i am always running 25/21, when i'm actually playing 39/35 right now because the table allows it. i'm glad people rely on datamining, because if they overvalue long-term stats, then they're playing bad/robotic poker. i dunno, you can't get individual HH from the datamines though right?

yep u get the hhs of every hand played that it catches

and for people you havent played with before, just seeing some pt stats with a decent sample on them is going to immediately give you a decent idea of what sort of player they are, whereas they wont know a thing about u and i dont think u can argue this isnt a fairly significant initial advantage.

sure people might misuse stats by relying on them too much, but they could make that mistake just by being pahud+pt users and getting stats from their own db, it's not something that might happen specifically in the case they get stats on datamined hands.

edit: i should say i dont think or mean to convey the advantage gained from having datamined hands is at all huge, but its definitely not insignificant either and should be enough to bother you a little bit

On October 08 2007 18:02 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2007 11:47 Ket wrote: yep playingnaked, datamining is against stars TOC and pretty unethical but its definitely out there so if u dont do it ur disadvantaged vs people u play against that do it. and this is a good enough argument for people to start doing it. sucks but welcome to the real world i dunno, as smart players we vary our play by table, we adjust and adapt, and we definitely don't worry about people having "reliable long-term stats." i would much rather see somebody absolutely convinced that i am always running 25/21, when i'm actually playing 11/8 right now because im a nit i'm glad people rely on datamining, because if they overvalue long-term stats, then they're playing bad/robotic poker. i dunno, you can't get individual HH from the datamines though right?

ya i would also be at the top of that list if it had all my hands.

u suck

back to 2+2 faggot

POKERSTARS GAME #12205065278: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/22 - 13:15:16 (ET)
Table 'Titania V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: tofirstorder ($457.30 in chips)
Seat 3: harleyhat ($474 in chips)
Seat 4: FrinkX ($484.10 in chips)
Seat 5: JEM87 ($395 in chips)
Seat 6: dp112 ($366.75 in chips)
tofirstorder: posts small blind $2
harleyhat: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JEM87 [Kc As]
FrinkX: raises $12 to $16
JEM87: raises $36 to $52
dp112: folds
tofirstorder: folds
harleyhat: folds
FrinkX: raises $432.10 to $484.10 and is all-in
JEM87: calls $343 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ah Ks]
*** TURN *** [Tc Ah Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ah Ks 3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FrinkX: shows [6d 8d] (a pair of Aces)
JEM87: shows [Kc As] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
JEM87 collected $794 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $796 | Rake $2
Board [Tc Ah Ks 3c Ac]
Seat 1: tofirstorder (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: harleyhat (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: FrinkX showed [6d 8d] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: JEM87 showed [Kc As] and won ($794) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 6: dp112 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)