Just starting out? A word of advice - Page 4

How to calculate hand odds (the longer way):
Total Outs / Remaining Cards

FORMULA : Flop to River % = 1 - [ ((47 - Outs) / 47) * ((46 - Outs) / 46) ]
Turn to River % = 1 - [ (46 - Outs) / 46 ]

To change a percent to odds:

FORMULA : Odds = ( 1 / Percentage ) - 1

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How to calculate hand odds (the shorter way):
The shortcut is, after you find the number of outs you have, multiply by 4 and you will get a close estimate to the percentage of hitting that hand from the Flop to the River. Multiply by 2 instead to get a percentage estimate from the Turn to the River.

and % to odd :
FORMULA : Odds = (100 / Whole Percentage) - 1

You should not calculate pot odds from the flop to the river and instead calculate them one card at a time.To calculate your odds one card at a time, simply use the same odds that you have going from the turn to the river.

much better explanation on http://www.tightpoker.com/poker_odds.html

hope i help you

I will follow your guidelines to the T and post my results here. I will play .01/.02 no limit on Pokerstars. I am willing to lose up to 50 bucks doing this. I won't post my hands, but I'll post my statistics. 50 bucks allows too much luck perhaps, but regardless I'll experiment.

If I win money doing this I'll split the profit with you GroT 50/50.

SIKE. (However if I lose the 50/50 stands). lol

On April 22 2006 23:02 Bene wrote: I will follow your guidelines to the T and post my results here. I will play .01/.02 no limit on Pokerstars. I am willing to lose up to 50 bucks doing this. I won't post my hands, but I'll post my statistics. 50 bucks allows too much luck perhaps, but regardless I'll experiment. If I win money doing this I'll split the profit with you GroT 50/50. SIKE. (However if I lose the 50/50 stands). lol

rofl would be interesting if people would want to make sidebets whether you'd make it or not :D

love sidebets <3

good luck Bene (although I don't think you'll need much luck)

oh and remember to start out with $2 or more at each table so you can break people when you flop sets or other big hands (i don't know if i mentioned that in the guide)


if you buy-in for a small amount my guidelines won't work

That's an easy sentence to put in a guide: ALWAYS MAX BUY-IN. If you're a winning player you want as much chips to put in as you can.

nice, very important to my game

So GroT, you really recommend folding every hand not mentioned in your list ? e. g. Ace 10 unsuited or JQ suited/unsuited?

at those stakes there is no point in getting involved in a hand with a hand like JQ, you can play JQs tho imo.

On May 13 2006 04:45 wirthi wrote: So GroT, you really recommend folding every hand not mentioned in your list ? e. g. Ace 10 unsuited or JQ suited/unsuited?

yes i do... but if you wonna play some extra hands (not QJ though) you should just choose a position from which you'll play the hand and then stick to it


when you are starting out, which is what this thread is for, you should use some strict rules to create a little "discipline" (and i guess it does take some discipline to fold QJ for $0.02)

On May 15 2006 08:56 GroT wrote: Show nested quote + On May 13 2006 04:45 wirthi wrote: So GroT, you really recommend folding every hand not mentioned in your list ? e. g. Ace 10 unsuited or JQ suited/unsuited? yes i do... but if you wonna play some extra hands (not QJ though) you should just choose a position from which you'll play the hand and then stick to it when you are starting out, which is what this thread is for, you should use some strict rules to create a little "discipline" (and i guess it does take some discipline to fold QJ for $0.02)

Yes, it does.

Since I love your RWAs I will take your advice :-)

If you don't know what an RWA is: "My name is GroT, I am a famous RWA maker."

If you don't know this quote you are too young and never played Monkey Island.

i really loved this article but id ont agree for exmaple when you say that when u have the best ahdn is better to bet the pot-size, i think is better to bet 1/3 of the pot size so they will be liekly to call, took it fromn phil little green book

ur guide is very good and describes abc poker. Where are the differences now when u move up stakes. Lets keep it rather low what would you say the differences are in ur opponents at 25nl 50nl and 100nl and what do you need to do in order to adapt to these differnces.

yea made merealize few things i did not see in books

rofl that famous rwa maker quote is gonna follow me forever

thx Grot

yea thank you i hope you make one more.... :D

If your playing the tournaments on party and you have superior stack over other player and he goes all in don't be afraid to go all in if you got a premier hand.
I found 75% of the time the higher stack will win regardless of cards.
I think the software has a weighting system that allows the tournament to finish faster by getting rid of the low stack players.
Try it and i bet i'll prove you right

when an irish guy says "yoke" wtf does it mean, theres this guy in my class at uni and he alwys says that and i have no idea wtf hes talking about

On May 24 2006 09:23 petrassi wrote: If your playing the tournaments on party and you have superior stack over other player and he goes all in don't be afraid to go all in if you got a premier hand. I found 75% of the time the higher stack will win regardless of cards. I think the software has a weighting system that allows the tournament to finish faster by getting rid of the low stack players. Try it and i bet i'll prove you right

(whenever you see someone post something like this, it's obviously bullshit)